Is it too late to appeal to the County Board?

[mafi97]

IF we get through to the Final - I wonder is there any possibility of a small, BUT CRITICAL, change to our Green and Gold jersey.
The jersey number are in white. Now, anybody who has ever wasted good money by allowing the design guys their head in developing brochures etc., will know that it is a complete WASTE of time to try to get any message across where the script is in white - regardless of the background colour.

In the case of our jersey, we have the following problems;

1. Our white numbers are lost because they are fighting for recognition with not one, but two non-primary colours.

2. Our problem is accentuated by the fact that our shade of greeen is only a couple of degrees different to the colour of the new pitch in Croke Park.

3. These would be major problems if one was trying to get a message across if one was producing a product brochure for example. But in this case, the "message" is running, twisting, jumping, often obscured by other carriers of the "message" - all this is happening anything from 20 to 150 yards away (depending on your seat).

4. If we get through to the Final, would it be beyond the organisational skills of the relevant body (bodies) in the Co. Board to provide us with clear numbers in BLACK, where we could easily identify our heroes through the typical gloom of All-Ireland day in September.

5. It would be a nice practical note for Sean Walsh to bow on in the sense that it always makes sense to make it easy for your customer to get the "message".

[peig]

mafi97 said:

IF we get through to the Final - I wonder is there any possibility of a small, BUT CRITICAL, change to our Green and Gold jersey.
The jersey number are in white. Now, anybody who has ever wasted good money by allowing the design guys their head in developing brochures etc., will know that it is a complete WASTE of time to try to get any message across where the script is in white - regardless of the background colour.

In the case of our jersey, we have the following problems;

1. Our white numbers are lost because they are fighting for recognition with not one, but two non-primary colours.

2. Our problem is accentuated by the fact that our shade of greeen is only a couple of degrees different to the colour of the new pitch in Croke Park.

3. These would be major problems if one was trying to get a message across if one was producing a product brochure for example. But in this case, the "message" is running, twisting, jumping, often obscured by other carriers of the "message" - all this is happening anything from 20 to 150 yards away (depending on your seat).

4. If we get through to the Final, would it be beyond the organisational skills of the relevant body (bodies) in the Co. Board to provide us with clear numbers in BLACK, where we could easily identify our heroes through the typical gloom of All-Ireland day in September.

5. It would be a nice practical note for Sean Walsh to bow on in the sense that it always makes sense to make it easy for your customer to get the "message".

Eh...You 'avin' a laugh?

[Attacking Wing Back]

is this a pi** take. Its easy enuf to read the kerseys couse the nmber is outlined in black. Anyway you can tell most players without needing to see jerseys

[Aine]

mafi97 said:

5. It would be a nice practical note for Sean Walsh to bow on in the sense that it always makes sense to make it easy for your customer to get the "message".

[JOAN]

huh??

[Joxer]

Maybe all you responders have 20/20 vision but not every one is in that happy position.I know for a fact that for many supporters, its extremely different to read the numbers off the Kerry jersey...the county board made changes as I recall in 2005 to make the numbers black or dark green or something which made it a helluva lot easier for a lot of people. Maybe when you guys and gals get a little bit older, and strining the eyes to identify players moving at speed in the distance becomes too diffiocult, maybe then you'll realise the problem. I'd support you're call mafi97 100% and I think you'd have a lot of support for that change too.

[Mickmack]

The resemblance between Tom Sullivan and Padraig Reidy is enough to make me support mafi97.

[Owenabue]

Joxer, I'm shortsighted and even without my glasses I can still most of the time figure out the Cork players without seeing any numbers. You get used to the way they play be running or kicking the ball etc and it's easy enough. Even with tracksuits on I could tell most of them... Or else we can conclude that I see far to many Cork football matches. I'd be good enough with the Kerry team as well, but that's just sad....

[buck02]

Weeshie Fogarty always gives out about the numbers on the backs of the jerseys, especially in the winter when the jerseys get dirty!

For the Waterford game last year (the other 2000 people that were in Killarney that day might remember) they unveiled the new jersey with a plain green back to it (i.e. no gold hoop around the back of the jersey) I'm not sure but I think they may have had the numbers in gold/yellow.........there was a photo on the old forum, wonder is it still there....

Anyway the jersey just looked like a Meath jersey from the back and it was quickly discarded.

[inforthebreaks]

its easy enough really. the small fella in the corner with the red hair is Colm Cooper. The tall fella beside him is Kieran donaghy. Big strong fella jumping in the middle is Daragh Se, hte lad hitting all the heavy shoulders at centre back is Aidan O Mahony and the fella rolling on the ground with one of the opposition is Paul Galvin.

[Owenabue]

See now, inforthebreaks knows what I'm on about!

[seamus]

inforthebreaks said:

its easy enough really. the small fella in the corner with the red hair is Colm Cooper. The tall fella beside him is Kieran donaghy. Big strong fella jumping in the middle is Daragh Se, hte lad hitting all the heavy shoulders at centre back is Aidan O Mahony and the fella rolling on the ground with one of the opposition is Paul Galvin.

Love it!

[kerryman]

mickmack said:

The resemblance between Tom Sullivan and Padraig Reidy is enough to make me support mafi97.

Especially in the Monaghan match as they were both sliding all over the shop. Them fellahs would want to change their boots before they change jerseys.

[mafi97]

I'm amazed at the smug response from some of the contributors here. Actually, the problem does not bother me in the least because I am blessed with exceptional sight - and like most people here, very familar with the players. BUT there are thousands out there who have a major problems and these are as I outlined.
The problem is accentuated in Croke Park because of the sheer size of the place and because the green of our jerseys blends with the colour of the grass in Croke Park.

Twice in the past 2 years, in conversation with two Radio/TV commentators (just happened to be introduced), exactly the same sentiments have been expressed.

The Cork numbers are legible because there is only ONE colour background and that is in a PRIMARY colour.

[Attacking Wing Back]

I feel like ive stepped into an art class with all this talk about primary and seconday colours:) . Kerry arent going to change their jerseys now. The change once in every three years by my reckining. I Dont think balck would be that easy to read on this geansai either. The green is too deep. Twas different on the old millfield 97 jerseys as the green on that was a very bright and vibrant green

[Owenabue]

Look, you should be able to tell the Kerry lads if they were out playing in their birthday suits because players tend to have their own style, or lack of it in the case of some players. Numbers on their backs shouldn't make a difference. Next their will be a suggestion to put names there as well....

[kerryeye]

Thay tried it before with a clear back on the jerseys with yelleow numberin but thats not a proper kerry jersey.We're green with a gold hoop all around,did it last year and looked like a Meath jersey.

[Joxer]

I know what you're saying owenabue, and for the most part agree. I don't genarally have to look at numbers to identify the Kerry players but will admit, despite what I believe to be excellent eyesight, mistaking Killian Young for Marc O'Se in Croke Park the last day. I know in his later years my father had great problems due to weakening eyesight in identifying players other than the obvious ones like gooch, dara O'Se etc and relied on numbers....when they could be identified. I know it was a source of huge frustration to him that the numbers were largely illegible to him. When in 2005, the county board reacted, I think mostly due to Weeshies input, by putting darker numbers on the jersey, it made things a lot easier for him. He was not alone in his frustration with the illegible numbers then and the problem hasn't gone away. The jersey doesn't have to be changed as such to alter the colour of the numbers...the replica jerseys don't have numbers you may have noticed. Its a small change that would help a lot of people including commentators...whats the problem. Maybe the smug, dismissive attitude on here is similar at county board level.

[branch]

Is this more for the supporters benefit or for the players? because if I was playing midfield and Ciaran Whelan was belting the sh*t out of me as I was trying to pass a ball into the forwards and 80,000 people were screaming at me, I don't think I'd be thinking about trying to see the number of the player I was trying to pass to! The players have been playing together all year and most of them alot longer, surely its second nature to them now to know without even looking, what player is going to be where!

[Owenabue]

Joxer, I get your point. I know my own eyesight isn't great, i.e. I wouldn't be able to read the numbers without my glasses, but I would generally know the players still. I suppose the white square with the black numbers like some rugby jerseys wouldn't work? Maybe rashers could tell us if it is difficult to see their numbers as well. With all the lads with white or red boots (or even yellow) or shorts underneath and mad hair it is getting easier to identify them.

[Aine]

The initial message stated that the jerseys should be changed before the final...that was the reason for my puzzled faces. IF kerry get the the all ireland final i think the management and the county board will have more on their minds than trying to change jerseys. When the jersey came out without the band most people complained that they didn't like it despite the fact that the numbers were easier to recognise. I wasn't being smug mafi97, i just wondered why you thought the county board would attempt to change jerseys before the final.

[Mickmack]

inforthebreaks said:

its easy enough really. the small fella in the corner with the red hair is Colm Cooper. The tall fella beside him is Kieran donaghy. Big strong fella jumping in the middle is Daragh Se, hte lad hitting all the heavy shoulders at centre back is Aidan O Mahony and the fella rolling on the ground with one of the opposition is Paul Galvin.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[JOAN]

mickmack said:

inforthebreaks said:

its easy enough really. the small fella in the corner with the red hair is Colm Cooper. The tall fella beside him is Kieran donaghy. Big strong fella jumping in the middle is Daragh Se, hte lad hitting all the heavy shoulders at centre back is Aidan O Mahony and the fella rolling on the ground with one of the opposition is Paul Galvin.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Classic..... very funny