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Post by inforthebreaks on May 30, 2007 16:18:31 GMT
Rebel chief blasts Spillane - Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Cork county board chairman Mick Dolan has criticised former Kerry footballer and RTE TV presenter Pat Spillane for his handling of the pre-match brawl involving the Cork and Clare hurlers.
Presenter Spillane discussed the ugly scenes with 'The Sunday Game' analysts, Anthony Daly and Donal O'Grady, and asked the pair how soccer players can behave themselves side by side in the tunnel when they have "much more important things at stake."
However, this comment has angered some traditionalists, and Dolan declared: "There's nothing more important to Cork hurling than winning Munster championship matches. I think that he (Spillane) spoke without thinking, but I didn't like his attitude.
"He's there, supposed to be a GAA icon off the field of play, and a commentator who you would expect to be more respectful to the organisation that he has made his name with.
"I don't like some of these comments which are made for the sake of being controversial."
Dolan refused to comment specifically on the pre-match scenes, but admitted: "What happened happened and I presume that there will be an investigation."
He added: "I didn't see what happened so I can't comment - I wasn‘' in contact with any of our fellas about it." Dolan also revealed that midfielder Jerry O'Connor has a fighting chance of being fit for the mouth-watering semi final showdown against Waterford on June 17.
O'Connor hobbled off during the second half of the Clare match with a hamstring injury but Dolan said: "He came off in time and the last I heard led me to believe that there won't be any great problem."
According to Dolan, O'Connor is based with the Garda cycling squad in Cork and cycles 20 miles a day with them.
"He'll probably be relieved of those duties for a little while but that kind of activity should keep his muscles fit," he said.
Source: independent.ie
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Post by tabbyie on May 30, 2007 19:01:02 GMT
Alot of hot air I'm afraid. Spillane meant well and it wasn't something that the Cork Chairman should have been so critical of. After all one of his key players has been suspended over it hampering their preparations for the Waterford game.
The incident should never have happened in the first place. We all saw the craziness that happened at the start of the Mayo v Dublin semi-final last year.
It's something for the GAA to take a long hard look at.
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Post by pony on May 30, 2007 19:41:32 GMT
all the cork and clare lads seem to suffering from the Arsène Wenger's
"i did not see the incident" (woops hope i wont be slagged for using a soccer reference)
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Post by watchdehop on May 30, 2007 20:07:53 GMT
Also I think the Cork chairman is trying to shoot the messenger.
Spillane may not be the best Sunday Game host (far from the best) but he was stuck in no melee on Sunday.
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Post by tabbyie on May 30, 2007 20:10:35 GMT
Well done Pony ;D
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Post by twohands on May 30, 2007 22:07:21 GMT
He didn't criticise Spillane for bringing up the incident. He criticised him for his dismissive tone about the importance of a Munster Hurling Championship match. Mary O'Rourke meant well too that time she said that her election workers had worked like blacks, but it was still the wrong thing to say. The idea that GAA players have anything to learn from soccer players about conduct and professionalism before or after a game is laughable. Pony will no doubt remember that he didn't see the soup and pizza incident after the Arsenal/United game. Then there was the sight of Tony Cascarino throwing digs after a qualifier in Turkey or the pictures of an Irish sub throwing a water bottle from the bench at a Swiss player who had just scored. Maybe Pat would be better off asking whether the BBC would be as likely as RTE to continue to permit its flagship sports programme to be presented by someone who is as poor at it as he is.
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Post by pony on May 30, 2007 22:48:04 GMT
He didn't criticise Spillane for bringing up the incident. He criticised him for his dismissive tone about the importance of a Munster Hurling Championship match. Mary O'Rourke meant well too that time she said that her election workers had worked like blacks, but it was still the wrong thing to say. The idea that GAA players have anything to learn from soccer players about conduct and professionalism before or after a game is laughable. Pony will no doubt remember that he didn't see the soup and pizza incident after the Arsenal/United game. Then there was the sight of Tony Cascarino throwing digs after a qualifier in Turkey or the pictures of an Irish sub throwing a water bottle from the bench at a Swiss player who had just scored. Maybe Pat would be better off asking whether the BBC would be as likely as RTE to continue to permit its flagship sports programme to be presented by someone who is as poor at it as he is. i never said gaa players should try and be more like the lads cross channel and i def don't think that thats what pat thinks either. i think his comment is being taken way too seriously. we dont want this to turn into a cork kerry thing. also i really don't see too much wrong with his presenting of the show. shur with a big smile something like this ;D singing off every sunday evening how could you not take a warm fuzzy feeling away with you from the show.  |
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Post by Aine on May 30, 2007 23:52:31 GMT
well pat has to ask the questions to get the replys - their wouldn't be much of a discussion if he didn't.
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Post by BIGMAC on May 31, 2007 9:04:09 GMT
i can fully see pats point,soccer teams keep their aggro for when the match starts and it does our teams no favours if they are knocking 7 shades of sh1te out of eachother b4 the game starts
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 31, 2007 9:05:40 GMT
I agree with pat as well. I know what pat was trying to say too. Is like the players in soccer are playing for money and in many cases their livelyhoods so they should be more hyped up than gaa players who supposedly play it for the love of the game
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 31, 2007 9:05:56 GMT
I agree with pat as well. I know what pat was trying to say too. Is like the players in soccer are playing for money and in many cases their livelyhoods so they should be more hyped up than gaa players who supposedly play it for the love of the game
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 9:12:57 GMT
However, this comment has angered some traditionalists, and Dolan declared: "There's nothing more important to Cork hurling than winning Munster championship matches. I think that he (Spillane) spoke without thinking, but I didn't like his attitude.
That's what he is annoyed over. It's got nothing to do with what happened before the game.
Would you like DJ Carey commenting on a Tyrone Kerry game and about the standard fo football etc?!
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Post by kerrygold on May 31, 2007 10:26:29 GMT
so should micheal o muircheartaigh not do the commentary so on a hurling game because he is from kerry,and should eugeen mcgee,pete mc grath and sean boylan not manage teams because they never played the game,where does leave michael lester presenting both football and hurling programes.
well obviously the decliplinary board found plenty wrong with it as eight players are lined up for suspensions and big fines,i dont see what corks problem is.I suppose we will be seeing the frankie murphy road show being rolled out now again.
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 10:32:35 GMT
The suggestion I suppose that a Munster final hurling match didn’t mean as much as a soccer game in England is a bit disrespectful to the lads playing and managing the team etc. I am not saying it’s because Spillane is from Kerry, but maybe someone with more of a background in hurling might be a more appropriate anchor for hurling games.
I have made myself pretty clear as to how I feel about the descipline issue, so I won't go into it again.
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Post by kerrygold on May 31, 2007 10:35:41 GMT
spillane well knows the value of a munster medal he has 15 or16 of them including all grades.
he was only doing his job as far as i'm concerned.
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 10:42:11 GMT
I suppose yo have to take into account the hurling crowd are a bit sensitive.
To be honest, I don't ever really watch it to be honest cos if I have been missing all day going to a game and travelling, the last thing I want is sit through fellas analyzing the sh^te out of things. I prefer to make up my own mind!
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Post by watchdehop on May 31, 2007 12:57:12 GMT
He didn't criticise Spillane for bringing up the incident. He criticised him for his dismissive tone about the importance of a Munster Hurling Championship match. Mary O'Rourke meant well too that time she said that her election workers had worked like blacks, but it was still the wrong thing to say. The idea that GAA players have anything to learn from soccer players about conduct and professionalism before or after a game is laughable. Pony will no doubt remember that he didn't see the soup and pizza incident after the Arsenal/United game. Then there was the sight of Tony Cascarino throwing digs after a qualifier in Turkey or the pictures of an Irish sub throwing a water bottle from the bench at a Swiss player who had just scored. Maybe Pat would be better off asking whether the BBC would be as likely as RTE to continue to permit its flagship sports programme to be presented by someone who is as poor at it as he is. Must be getting close to championship if Twohands is back!! We didn't hear much from you after the semi final last year!! I suppose you have the accomation booked for the Munster final. We must qualify for it yet !! |
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Post by twohands on May 31, 2007 13:09:16 GMT
When I got out of hospital after getting treatment for the pain in my back I tried to log on but apparently the Kerry lads had been too critical of their team again and so it was in maintenance mode.
We have to qualify for it too. We're looking forward to it. At the rate things are going we might have John Gardiner, Sean Og and Sully available.
I won't be booking accomodation though. We're learning from you lot that you're better off not leaving a trail...
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Post by watchdehop on May 31, 2007 13:29:52 GMT
Sorry to hear you were poorly.
You are just in time though in your return.We will be starting a whip round for the "Cork 4". What will all those appeal fees ye will hardly have the price of accomodation this year.
Unless of course Amensty International take up the case...
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 13:32:49 GMT
Or the Kerry Co Board offer to help. (Ops, sorry, does that break the forum rules?) |
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Post by inforthebreaks on May 31, 2007 13:38:20 GMT
I suppose yo have to take into account the hurling crowd are a bit sensitive. a bit sensitive... he said that he disagreed with spillane saying something for the sake of being controversial. Surely the controversy here was his players (and clares) losing their discipline before they even got on the field. hitting out and criticising TV commentators is trying to deflect the issue until Frank Murphy can figure out how to get it brushed under the carpet. |
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 13:48:01 GMT
Inforthebreaks, I meant the hurling crowd in general are a bit sensitive about a footballer talking about hurling. Same way if a Kilkenny fella started discussing the swarm defence with you, you might think it a little strange...
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Post by inforthebreaks on May 31, 2007 14:00:51 GMT
sure what do they want. 2 different presenters for the sunday game???
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Post by watchdehop on May 31, 2007 14:17:20 GMT
Or the Kerry Co Board offer to help. (Ops, sorry, does that break the forum rules?) They might but based on the fact they weren't asked to help on the last amnesty international case of "Free the Ballyvourney 1" last summer they will hardly get asked this time. ;D You never know though!! |
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Post by seamus on May 31, 2007 14:22:33 GMT
Lets not ruin a nice evening by talking about Frank Murphy!
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 15:20:40 GMT
We won't bring up Lynch again either. People in glass houses and all that....
As for the Sunday game, I don't know what the solution is. I don't be checking every word spoken so I'll say no more on the matter.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 31, 2007 20:18:40 GMT
This crap that keeps being trotted out about "not seeing the incident" is a fraud. If he heard what Spillane had to say then he obviously saw the incident on the sunday game unless he was watching with his eyes closed or with blinkers on.
Spillane was right even if his sentiments were interpreted in a way I do not believe he meant.
Rugby players and soccer players can behave for the most part, side by side. You never see rugby players roaring at a ref if they dont like his decisions.
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 20:29:57 GMT
Okay so why have none of ye brought up about the Laois and Offaly? Or is it worse because it was Cork and Clare? Also while ye are at it, explain why Cork are getting a €10,000 fine and Clare are getting a €5,000 fine. Laois and Offaly are getting away with yellow cards...
Surely all disgraceful behavour needs to be treated some way evenly.
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Post by Piggy on May 31, 2007 20:35:14 GMT
u dont have to know the ends and outs of a sport to present it,thats what the 'experts' are there for!Pats job is basically to ask stupid questions to get the experts agreeing or disagreeing with him!Bill O Herlihy does the exact same thing for the soccer!that cork chairman would want to cop onto himself!
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Post by Owenabue on May 31, 2007 20:39:42 GMT
Piggy, I would prefer to watch paint dry than watch soccer on tv, so I'll take your word for it.
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