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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2009 1:27:45 GMT
How do ye reckon they will get on?
I reckon either
(a) they will be a massive success like Tadhg in which case they earn loads of money and live the lives of professional athletes, have the house on Bondi etc or
(b) it doesn't work out to their liking and they come home knowing at least they gave it a shot
I see can the attraction in giving it a shot. My view is that it will be very difficult for them at the age of 21 to make an impact.
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Post by tottenham on Oct 2, 2009 7:31:20 GMT
Did anyone watch the OZ factor on RTE a few months back where Nixon took 4 or 5 Irish lads out to Oz for trials.One part of the show was where the lads were living. It was like a scene from Slum Dog Millionaire, the lads were sleeping on a dirty torn matress thrown on the ground, not even a bed. the house was not the best, no wonder these guys get home sick etc.
But with regard to Tommy and David they should give it a go alright. If they dont like or make it they can come home, the experience will help them sports wise. then again what if they dont make it and come home will the University of Limerick just say to David Moran that he can jump back into his college course when he feels like it...i would not say so...its a life changing decision in a way
they have alot to gain and alot to lose too...personally i would give it a try coz if i didnt i would always wonder cud i have done it and plus it would be a great experience and a free trip to Oz for a few months...
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2009 7:34:21 GMT
Kaka has left Brazilian football to play football in Italy and Spain so I am not so sure about the analogy. Last time I checked Kaka still played for the Brazilian national soccer team.  |
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 2, 2009 8:15:24 GMT
Anyone think the lads perhaps owe more to KOR than whats been offered to them by AFL? Owe Strand Road?  ?? The club owes them for getting within inches of a county title, and for bringing such glory throughout the youth ranks........ Owe the club? You'd swear they were two NFL rookies who buggered off from Denver to the Jets 6 months into a contract!! |
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Post by KerryLad on Oct 2, 2009 8:39:51 GMT
Did anyone watch the OZ factor on RTE a few months back where Nixon took 4 or 5 Irish lads out to Oz for trials.One part of the show was where the lads were living. It was like a scene from Slum Dog Millionaire, the lads were sleeping on a dirty torn matress thrown on the ground, not even a bed. the house was not the best, no wonder these guys get home sick etc. But with regard to Tommy and David they should give it a go alright. If they dont like or make it they can come home, the experience will help them sports wise. then again what if they dont make it and come home will the University of Limerick just say to David Moran that he can jump back into his college course when he feels like it...i would not say so...its a life changing decision in a waythey have alot to gain and alot to lose too...personally i would give it a try coz if i didnt i would always wonder cud i have done it and plus it would be a great experience and a free trip to Oz for a few months... You can take a break or a year out from your course in UL if you put your case to the college and then resume where you left off. Paul O Connell has done it in the past as he was in the middle of a course in UL before hitting the big time with Munster and there wouldnt be much hassle if Dave wants to do the same i'd imagine. |
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Post by Johnnyb on Oct 2, 2009 9:22:11 GMT
Anyone think the lads perhaps owe more to KOR than whats been offered to them by AFL? Owe Strand Road? ?? The club owes them for getting within inches of a county title, and for bringing such glory throughout the youth ranks........ Owe the club? You'd swear they were two NFL rookies who buggered off from Denver to the Jets 6 months into a contract!! Try not let your bias cloud your judgement. The best youth system in the county allied to their natural ability and desire made them what they are. People get tetchy when the idea of players "oweing" anything to the county or the club arises. As if its asking too much for lads to show appreciation every now and again. In pure footballing terms they were born & bred in the fields of Strand Rd, and now at their peak years, the fruits of their talent will be borne across the other side of the planet. If you cant see what’s inherently wrong with that, than this debate is pointless. |
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Post by Derek on Oct 2, 2009 9:43:40 GMT
Anyone think the lads perhaps owe more to KOR than whats been offered to them by AFL? Jesus Johnny I don’t think the lads owe the narries anything. There's a recession here with 450,000 people on the Dole and these two lads will be coming out of college with little or no hope of a job. On the other hand there is the opportunity to be paid for playing sport - not really a difficult decision in my opinion. If the GAA got their act together and did what tadgh has suggested and give each player a certain amount of money into a pension fund for each year of inter county service then maybe more player would stay around. I know if I had a Son who had the choice of being on the dole here playing for the narries or going to Australia and being paid to be a professional sports man, id drive him to the airport myself. |
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Post by chrism on Oct 2, 2009 9:52:06 GMT
They’re three of Cork’s brightest GAA starlets with one thing in common – a potentially difficult choice between hurling and football for the county. Fintan O’Toole looks at the respective cases for 2010.
Name: EOIN CADOGAN
Age: 23
Club: Douglas
THE case for football? Cadogan’s time in Cork football colours this summer may have been brief, but it was instructive nonetheless. He may not have bagged a starting 15 spot for the All-Ireland decider, but when parachuted into the game in difficult circumstances at half-time, he helped to lift the defensive siege. Showed in that second-half against Kerry that he has the strength and athleticism to man the pivotal full-back spot, and his inclusion from the off next season would bolster Cork’s defensive options considerably. Cadogan’s availability would also enable Michael Shields to be released to a half-back sector where he could thrive.
The case for hurling? Much like their football counterparts, the Cork hurling camp require Cadogan at the coalface of their defensive effort. He stepped into the sizeable void at full-back created by Diarmuid O’Sullivan’s retirement and adapted excellently to the nuances of the position as the summer progressed. Like the rest of the Cork team he endured troubles during the National League shellacking against Kilkenny but come the heat of championship, Cadogan began to thrive. Picked up the man-of-the-match bauble to soften the blow of defeat against Tipperary and then managed the not inconsiderable feat of keeping Joe Canning scoreless from play in the All-Ireland qualifiers.
What’s he likely to choose? Having proved he can do a job for both set-ups this summer, there’ll be strenuous efforts on both sides to secure Cadogan’s services for next season. Earlier this week he understandably declined to broach the subject, preferring to focus on an upcoming Cork Premier IHC final date with Douglas against Ballymartle. But hurling looks the front-runner with Cadogan admitting prior to the All-Ireland football semi-final against Tyrone that he feels a sense of loyalty to Denis Walsh’s camp after they gave him his inter-county break this year.
Verdict: 2010 hurler
Name: MICHAEL CUSSEN
Age: 25
Club: Sarsfields/Glanmire
THE case for football? Despite only having a fleeting involvement with Cork this summer, Cussen remains a versatile option for Conor Counihan. He is capable of featuring at midfield where he was sprung to during the recent All-Ireland semi-final and final and there’s still vivid memories of his stints at full-forward discomforting the Kerry defence during the 2007 and 2008 Munster finals. A broken collarbone in mid-March derailed his progress this season, but a full NFL campaign next spring could be of immeasurable benefits.
The case for hurling? Cussen emerged as a potent weapon for Sarsfields in the latter stages of their run to Cork SHC glory last season, smashing in 1-2 in the county final against Bride Rovers. But it’s this season where he has grown in stature, unleashing havoc on the club stage and amassing 2-12 from play in his last three games as Sarsfields have returned to the county decider. Naturally this has lead to speculation about Cussen’s talents being utilised at intercounty level and in a 6’7" figure at the edge of the square, blessed with a great hand and the strength to brush off defenders, Cork would have a valuable addition to their squad. There’s been evidence of his intercounty hurling prowess as well, most explicitly in the 2005 Munster U21 final when he destroyed the Tipperary rearguard.
What’s he likely to choose? The suspicion is that Cussen may well switch allegiances next season. Cork’s football style appears to have swayed from using a big man at no.14 with Colm O’Neill preferred in that role this season, and Cussen’s big ball involvement has thus been restricted. Having excelled at club level in hurling, he’ll surely be tempted to translate that form onto the inter-county stage.
Name: CIARÁN SHEEHAN
Age: 18
Club: Éire Óg
THE case for football? Excelled for the Cork U21’s earlier this year on their run to All-Ireland glory, providing evidence that he can bridge that difficult gap from promising minor to starring adult.
The type of scoring half-forward that would be invaluable to the Cork senior squad, having showcased his long-range point-kicking against Kerry in the Munster U21 opener and Dublin in the All-Ireland U21 semi-final.
A great swift ball-carrier and a tall, strong presence in the half-forward line as well. The case for hurling? Also best deployed as a half-forward in hurling and could emerge as an influential figure for Cork in this department. Has the size and power to serve as a ball-winning outlet from puckouts, a figure Cork could really benefit from possessing. An accurate scoretaker as well and while it may take him a couple of years to thrive on the senior stage, the raw materials are certainly there.
What’s he likely to choose? Will continue to juggle both codes next year for his club Éire Óg and for Cork IT at Freshers level. But when it comes to the intercounty stage football looks set to be his preference, having been involved in Cork U21 and senior squads this year. Defending an All-Ireland crown with John Cleary’s charges will be his objective at the start of next season and then trying to break into Conor Counihan’s starting senior 15 in the summer.
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, October 02, 2009
So is seems Cork will be down a few players too. Although the guy I was sitting next to at the All _ Ireland told me that Denis Walsh was going to allow Cadogan become a dual player next year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2009 10:05:23 GMT
If Tommy and David were leaving to go to Man Utd or to Munster you wouldn't have half the indignation.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2009 10:10:15 GMT
If Tommy and David were leaving to go to Man Utd or to Munster you wouldn't have half the indignation. Pointless comment when their not going to play soccer.Their going to play to play a different form of football similar to our own. |
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on Oct 2, 2009 10:21:11 GMT
Leave them at it- they deserve a shot. We're not fascists who dictate that these lads aren't allowed play anything else but Football. That day is well and truly gone.
If the worst comes to the worst, they'll be fantastic Irish sporting Ambassadors and have a full career in AFL. And who knows, they might come home one day and wreck havoc on other county's defences (A la Tadhg).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2009 10:23:46 GMT
I don't see how it is pointless. Soccer and rugby are different types of football also. Oz rules is as least as different as soccer to football.
At least in soccer they use the same shape ball.
Why does it matter what sport they are playing anyway if they are'nt playing football?
Oz rules is given way too much attention when you consider how few players have been lost to the game over the years. In 99% of cases all that has happened is that a young fella has got a few months in Oz before coming back. This is not necessarily a bad things as otherwise he would be slogging his guts out on the field for college, club, county at all age levels.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2009 10:38:35 GMT
Rugby and soccer have no relationship with gaelic football in terms of a combined game between the different codes such as International rules.Therefore your arguement losses ground on the point I'm making.
I dont see any point in arguing with you as we wont find concensus, you were happy enough to preach kerrys demise all summer even when they had clearly turned the corner.
Some of us from different mindsets like to fight to the bitter end to hold on to what we have and to make things happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2009 11:17:51 GMT
You are talking rubbish now about my comments during the summer. You know nothing about me and my mindset so don't even go there.
Some of us prefer to analyse rather than simply worship.
I thought this was a forum for grown ups.
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Post by tottenham on Oct 2, 2009 11:20:42 GMT
Did anyone watch the OZ factor on RTE a few months back where Nixon took 4 or 5 Irish lads out to Oz for trials.One part of the show was where the lads were living. It was like a scene from Slum Dog Millionaire, the lads were sleeping on a dirty torn matress thrown on the ground, not even a bed. the house was not the best, no wonder these guys get home sick etc. But with regard to Tommy and David they should give it a go alright. If they dont like or make it they can come home, the experience will help them sports wise. then again what if they dont make it and come home will the University of Limerick just say to David Moran that he can jump back into his college course when he feels like it...i would not say so...its a life changing decision in a waythey have alot to gain and alot to lose too...personally i would give it a try coz if i didnt i would always wonder cud i have done it and plus it would be a great experience and a free trip to Oz for a few months... You can take a break or a year out from your course in UL if you put your case to the college and then resume where you left off. Paul O Connell has done it in the past as he was in the middle of a course in UL before hitting the big time with Munster and there wouldnt be much hassle if Dave wants to do the same i'd imagine. Not knocking david Moran now but there is a big difference between him and Paul O Connell...and im sure twas a scholarship Paul got from the university so in fact the college would not mind if he took a year out.you cant eally compare the 2 anyway coz O Connell is an icon in limerick and would have alot more pull or sway when it would come to a matter like that |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2009 11:27:48 GMT
I don't know anything about UL but generally decent intercounty footballers are looked after one way or the other. There are plenty of storie around about how lads got on to certain courses etc etc.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 2, 2009 11:41:20 GMT
You can take a break or a year out from your course in UL if you put your case to the college and then resume where you left off. Paul O Connell has done it in the past as he was in the middle of a course in UL before hitting the big time with Munster and there wouldnt be much hassle if Dave wants to do the same i'd imagine. Not knocking david Moran now but there is a big difference between him and Paul O Connell...and im sure twas a scholarship Paul got from the university so in fact the college would not mind if he took a year out.you cant eally compare the 2 anyway coz O Connell is an icon in limerick and would have alot more pull or sway when it would come to a matter like that Paul was there on points and merit, not a scholarship. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2009 11:43:10 GMT
Surely good analysis is seeing the wood from the trees?
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Post by buck02 on Oct 2, 2009 13:29:54 GMT
Looking at the last 10 or 15 posts, have I missed something here or are Moran and Walsh actually on a plane headed for Melbourne?
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Post by Joxer on Oct 2, 2009 13:58:47 GMT
No,buck 02, but people seem reluctant to waste a good story!!
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Post by Hoffster on Oct 2, 2009 14:45:31 GMT
Not knocking david Moran now but there is a big difference between him and Paul O Connell...and im sure twas a scholarship Paul got from the university so in fact the college would not mind if he took a year out.you cant eally compare the 2 anyway coz O Connell is an icon in limerick and would have alot more pull or sway when it would come to a matter like that Paul was there on points and merit, not a scholarship. Paul O Connell was there on leaving cert results. The man is insanely intelligent. |
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Post by KerryLad on Oct 2, 2009 15:12:29 GMT
You can take a break or a year out from your course in UL if you put your case to the college and then resume where you left off. Paul O Connell has done it in the past as he was in the middle of a course in UL before hitting the big time with Munster and there wouldnt be much hassle if Dave wants to do the same i'd imagine. Not knocking david Moran now but there is a big difference between him and Paul O Connell...and im sure twas a scholarship Paul got from the university so in fact the college would not mind if he took a year out.you cant eally compare the 2 anyway coz O Connell is an icon in limerick and would have alot more pull or sway when it would come to a matter like that All i'm saying is that I dont see the college thing as a big issue if Dave decided to go. Having been in UL for a number of years i know first hand a good few people who have taken a year out here and there for some reason or another. Some people just needed a break from the study scene, others may have had an illness etc. If the 2 lads are to head south then i personally wish them the best. Even if its just 6 months or 6 years. I do feel that they might struggle to make an impact at this stage though as they are both the wrong side of 20 but its worth a shot anyway. Coming into the Oz summer would be abit more enticing than dark dreary winters nights on the streets of Limerick or Tralee. |
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Post by Fado on Oct 2, 2009 20:21:16 GMT
Any game, anywhere, anytime. Their lives!
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Post by mozzy on Oct 2, 2009 22:02:34 GMT
Theres a certain innocence about believing that Tommy will only stay for 6 or 9 months. I don't expect to see him in the green and gold again if he goes. That would be hard to take after his performance in the final and knowing what he could do for this team as he develops... I truly hope he and David stay |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 2, 2009 22:15:47 GMT
Kerry have stayed at the top by finding a top player or two every year this decade.
Losing these two lads would be a mortal blow.
I wish them all the best in their decision making.
It a difficult time for the two of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2009 12:54:13 GMT
Walsh, Moran blow for Kerry By Tony Leen and Daragh Ó Conchúir Saturday, October 03, 2009 THEY may be still savouring last month’s 36th All-Ireland football title, but Kerry have suffered an early blow for 2010 with confirmation that Tommy Walsh has agreed a preliminary agreement with AFL outfit St Kilda. His club and inter-county colleague David Moran has also been offered an early trial with the same club. Sources close to the duo confirmed that the Kerins O’Rahillys pair will leave Kerry within the next four to six weeks for Melbourne. "You can put your house on it," said one well-placed source. Walsh, the GAA’s young player of the year in 2008, put off a possible trip to Australia last year because Kerins O’Rahillys were involved in the Kerry SFC final. However after securing his second All-Ireland medal two weeks ago against Cork, and with O’Rahillys out of the Kerry SFC, Walsh has decided to opt for a reputed two year rookie contract, worth $80,000 (€47,000) per year. He will sign contracts within the next month. He will be joined on the flight down under by David Moran, who has taken a year out of his studies at UL. St Kilda have not offered Ogie Moran’s son a contract, but have pledged trials which will give him ample opportunity to secure a deal with the club. Moran’s situation is slightly different and he has no contract lined up as he did not attend trials last year due to exam commitments but the 21-year-old will be hoping to be offered a contract similar to his team-mate. If successful, Walsh and Moran will sign contracts and return to Tralee before Christmas before departing again in January for a new life in the AFL. "They are two 21-year-olds who owe neither the club nor Kerry football anything," said a source. "Tommy put his move off last year and now has an All-Ireland medal in his pocket. His qualification will be in the construction field and there are no jobs there or won’t be for a couple of years. So why not travel and sample the life of a professional athlete, and make some money as well as seeing the world? I think everyone in the county should wish them well — it’s the realisation of a dream — more luck to them." It is accepted that Walsh will not be available to Jack O’Connor next season while David Moran is still seen as the heir apparent to Darragh Ó Sé when the 34-year old Gaeltacht midfielder calls it a day. Meanwhile Setanta Ó hAilpín has completed a stunning turnaround in the space of eight months with the news he has signed a two-year contract extension with AFL club Carlton. The former hurling All-Star looked destined to follow his younger brother, Aisake, home when he was suspended for four games last February for striking and kicking team-mate Cameron Cloke in a training match. The club also sent him for anger management sessions. Ó hAilpín impressed everyone at the Melbourne-based club with the manner in which he took his medicine and his dedication in attempting to prove his worth to the team. He finally got a run of games at centre-forward and scored a career-high four goals against Fremantle before injury laid him low for four weeks. He never rediscovered that form and was relocated to the forward pocket and full-back before eventually falling out of the squad when the Blues reached the finals series. The 26-year-old did enough to convince the coaching staff that he had something to offer once he endured an injury-free run. The player has admitted that frustration over long-standing hamstring and groin injuries, allied with the delisting of Aisake, were responsible for his altercation with Cloke. Carlton’s football operations manager Steven Icke said the key to the Cork man’s redemption was the correct diagnosis of his leg problems, which had been caused by two blocked arteries. "Once he got his body right, he proved what a valuable player he is to us," said Icke. "He was just frustrated with his body." This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Saturday, October 03, 2009 Read more: www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/walsh-moran-blow-for-kerry-102424.html#ixzz0SsSF5F8Q |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 3, 2009 14:17:44 GMT
By Cliona Foley
Saturday October 03 2009
SPECULATION has increased that star Kerry forward Tommy Walsh is about to take up a full-time Australian Rules contract offer and that Kingdom team-mate David Moran will also avail of the chance of an AFL trial next month.
"There are a lot of rumours going around and I presume that's because St Kilda are believed to have made an offer to Tommy (Walsh) last year,'' said Kerry selector Ger O'Keeffe last night.
"To the best of my knowledge, Tommy has not made any decision about his future."
Walsh spent 10 days in Australia last autumn on trial with St Kilda who, last week, lost this year's Grand Final. He returned home to concentrate on Gaelic football and subsequently played a vital role in Kerry's latest All-Ireland success.
Moran was also offered a trial by St Kilda last year, but did not take it up because of exam commitments, so any move he would make Down Under would initially be for a trial.
Since the All-Ireland final, Kerins O'Rahilly's, for whom both play, have been knocked out of the Kerry county championship, but the Strand Road club could yet qualify to represent Kerry in the Munster Club Championship.
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Post by veteran on Oct 3, 2009 14:50:59 GMT
I wish Tommy and David good health and good fortune in their proposed sojourn in Australia while at the same time hoping that they may become disillusioned with life over there. This sentiment represents my ambivalent reaction to the news of their departure.
Assuming they remained interested and free of injury, these two men, still a number of years away from their peak, would most likely have become the twin pillars of our football fortunes for the next ten years or so. It is that as yet unrealised promise that makes their loss all the more unbearable. The prospect of seeing these two lads being paraded at a press conference like two captured, prized, wild animals by a bombastic Australian is nothing short of nauseating.
I saw the programmes on RTE during the summer regarding the Irish rules recruits. It appeared to me that life at the bottom of the pile for rules players is a hundred miles away from the glitz and glamour which is often portrayed as being the life of a professional athlete. Admittedly, I was looking at it through the Kerry football eyes of yesterday's man but still I got the impression that sun, sea and pie in the sky were being liberally applied in the seduction package. The steady drift backyards of some recent recruits may give some sustenance to this argument.
How many of our exports have made it over there? Tadhg, Jim Stynes . How many more? Setanta O'Hailpin seems to be betwixt and between. Apart from nostalgia, it is a much different game contrary to what a lot of people suggest.
This expression that footballers "owe nothing to their club or county" is one that certainly grates on my nerves. Is is one of those expressions that, no matter how idiotic, once said often enough gains some credibility. Starting with the club, who or what, outside of the parents, has contributed most to the make up of a footballer? He is nurtured and tutored, has training sessions organised for him, games organised for him, transport organised for him etc etc. Apart from the intrinsic enjoyment of playing for the team, is there anything owed to the club in lieu of what has been outlined? A lot, I suggest.
Debt to the county? If a footballer is talented enough, having been "reared" by his club, to play with distinction for the green and gold, what is his reward? He is conferred with a status that nobody else in this county is awarded, not to mention the opening of commercial doors. How important is status to the self esteem of an individual? Ask your friendly psychologist . You may be surprised with the reply. If, after that inquiry, you still feel that a Kerry footballer owes nothing to his county, then so be it.
The previous paragraph is outlined in an effort to debunk this idea about a Kerry footballer, in general, owing nothing to his county. It is not meant as an attack in particular on Tommy or David. Their impending departure to pursue a professional football career is a wider issue although the "owing nothing" argument has been foolishly used in their context also. I doubt if either would come with this ridiculous phrase as an apologia for their decision. Even at their young age, they owe an incalculable amount to club and county. After all, who would know about or want these boys if it was not for their exploits with Kerins O'Rahillys and Kerry?
We owe Kerry footballers more gratitude than I can express but their relationship with us is not entirely debt free ,as I have suggested. My wish is that Tommy and David will continue to live in or at least very soon return to that two way street.
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Post by chieftain on Oct 3, 2009 14:56:16 GMT
By Cliona Foley Saturday October 03 2009 SPECULATION has increased that star Kerry forward Tommy Walsh is about to take up a full-time Australian Rules contract offer and that Kingdom team-mate David Moran will also avail of the chance of an AFL trial next month. "There are a lot of rumours going around and I presume that's because St Kilda are believed to have made an offer to Tommy (Walsh) last year,'' said Kerry selector Ger O'Keeffe last night. "To the best of my knowledge, Tommy has not made any decision about his future." Walsh spent 10 days in Australia last autumn on trial with St Kilda who, last week, lost this year's Grand Final. He returned home to concentrate on Gaelic football and subsequently played a vital role in Kerry's latest All-Ireland success. Moran was also offered a trial by St Kilda last year, but did not take it up because of exam commitments, so any move he would make Down Under would initially be for a trial. Since the All-Ireland final, Kerins O'Rahilly's, for whom both play, have been knocked out of the Kerry county championship, but the Strand Road club could yet qualify to represent Kerry in the Munster Club Championship. |
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Post by chieftain on Oct 3, 2009 15:03:57 GMT
I just looked at the St Kildas website I see they have about 8 players in their rookie program at the moment with only 1 who got game time in 2009. So what could Tommy be attracted to?
Even if he excells he could be 2 years before he gets any game time. Ok A rookie contract is €47,000 a year which is good money to be in full time training. But the life style is bascially hanging out in an apartment alone or almost alont every day.Tadgh Kennelly please make contact with Tommy. Tommy go back and do grad dip in education and there is a secondary school in kerry for you.
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