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Post by nicoshea on Jul 25, 2008 16:40:34 GMT
We are not using Corks indiscipline to get Galvin off. Noone here thinks that Galvin should not be punished but we are just asking you to remember that Cork are not innocent.. If you can find someone who defends Galvins actions then I will hold my hand up and say I was wrong, but Galvin is 6 weeks into his suspension and is still hanging... Fair you think?? Hands up NIC, I'm defending Paul's actions. He was harrassed for over half an hour by that Clare fecker John Hayes and when he went to the linesman to complain all he got was more abuse. We all know Paul is a very sporting and clean player and he begged the linesman to take action. Ger O Keefe is right to complain about the treatment Paul is getting. His summer is ruined by the actions of the DRA and all them other groups set up by Crok Park. I'd blame Paddy Russell for all this. He's a right bucko also. Paddy Russell is not to balme for what happened, He got the information from the linesman, and Paul is not a clean player. I do hope you are been ironic here
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 25, 2008 16:43:22 GMT
What Cork players do has nothing to do with if Galvin should get off or get 6 months. Double standards if you like is them not dragging Darragh up for the punch in the Munster final. Or is it that the Ó Sé's are Gaa darlings as well? As for the comments about the Ó hAilpíns, that's defamatry. Read back over some of my posts the few days after the Munster Final and you will see that I said that Darragh was lucky not to have been sent off earlier, I certainly do think he is an angel Ive been at too many games to see that Sean Og should have been punished for what he did but he wasnt so whats the point really
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Jul 25, 2008 16:51:28 GMT
Paul's repuation proceeds him. A reputation that has been built by his reaction to others. Remember Kerry - Armagh when he was sent off. It was the "maor-uisce" for Armagh who struck Paul first, yet Paul ends up being sent off and nothing happens to the Armagh man. Against Clare, he gets harassed for 30 minutes, asks for some help from the officials, which was not forthcoming and then gets a second yellow for something he did not do. Now, can anyone in all honesty, tell me that if a man struck you in the face, you would not fight back? If you pointed out a crime to a garda and got arrested for it, would you not feel aggrieved? Fair enough, he did go a bit overboard, but it's a natural reaction with the frustration he was feeling. Ref's and linesmen should protect the players, but did they in Galvin's case. I think you'll find they didn't.
While he does deserve some punishment, the ban he got is overboard. He did not physically abuse the ref, he didn't physically abuse the linesman and he did not strike his own player.
A month at most would have been fair, 6 months. Not a chance.
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 25, 2008 16:52:47 GMT
Sorry Nico, I've a weird way of putting things. I was just trying to say that Kerry players as well in recent times have got away with things, so why not use them as an example instead of hurling examples. Watching the Cork v Galway game I was fairly annoyed with the carry on from both teams, but it isn't our call to make is it? That match was also on tv so the incidence were there for the GAA and who ever else to see, same as the Galvin issue. My point about Seán Óg was saying he has an agent and gets money for appearances. Unless you've signed the cheque, that's defamatory, but I should have stated that it was Buck's comment I had issues with.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 25, 2008 17:02:53 GMT
Owenabue, I think that you are missing the point really. Like you said this is about Galvin, I merely pointed out the Cork players as examples of the double standards in the Gaa. That was my point. The book was thrown at Galvin completely, he did wrong and he got hammered for it. In my opinion, players who misbehave on the field deserve to be punished for it, as does Galvin for doing what he did. However, why should other players not be bound by the same code? Why should exceptions be made for certain players and they be deemed beyond punishment for clear offences? In my opinion, to deny a man a fair hearing is disrespectful, to tell him to go back to square one is appalling. He deserves better than that, regardless of reputation. That man has given his blood for Kerry football, plays with fierce passion and always talks of how proud he is to wear the county jersey and as a supporter I have huge respect for him.I love to watch him play and hope to do so for many a long day, without him, kerry are less of a team.
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 25, 2008 18:59:32 GMT
No I haven't missed the point at all. I don't think it is anything to do with who Galvin is, it's just another example of the serious flaws in the rules and how they are inforced. Is there any need for all the different groups or whatever you'd call them with the CCCC and DRA etc? I know it's a pain and I can understand why ye might feel it is because it is Galvin; it did cross my mind that he was what I'd describe as "being made an example of". However, if I'm to play the devils advocate, Galvin got himself into this mess, and with the way suspensions are being handed out this year, he could hardly have been surprised. The rest of us, if we are honest, would prefer Kerry to have Galvin playing, but it's in the hands of the gods now. (Seán Óg ect also play with the same pride etc, so that really has nothing to do with it either)
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Post by cailinchiarrai on Jul 26, 2008 1:13:23 GMT
At this stage its like a "Roundabout" with no end. Personally, I feel the sooner this is sorted out the better for all, as it is making all the hearing committees look as if they are delaying due process.
I really feel sorry for Paul galvin & his family as they have to read and listen to all comments, good / awful over the past 6 weeks. My own feeling is that it will be a reduced suspension.
Kerry going for 3 in a Row and I think they will do it. Chiarrai abu.
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Post by mozzy on Jul 26, 2008 1:56:04 GMT
Cailinchiarrai - you are absolutely dead on - it is a "roundabout" and everyone is fed up with the delays and investigations etc - at this stage - he should have been suspended the six months, had a reduced sentence and or had it squashed - the season has been tainted no matter what happens and from here on out any incident will be treated with a trepidation and sense of dread - unless the DRA and the other two GAA bodies get a system in place that is fair and believable - we will continue to see the whole process as a failure - no matter what we think of Paul Galvin and this situation.
I am truly looking forward to seeing how Kerry dig deep, make some changes and react to all of this - hopefully this will be our motivation this year....
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Post by clancarre on Jul 26, 2008 8:25:18 GMT
Danny Lynch had a right go at the O'Keeffes and Sean Kelly in the Indo today. Seems to suggest they were responsible for setting up all these layers of beaurocracy.
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Post by brigid on Jul 26, 2008 8:57:58 GMT
Paul Galvin said he is sorry for what he did. Action is now called for. What he did was a disgrace to Kerry football. Look at how Mark ó Sé left the field when he was incorrectly sent off. Marc is a REAl gentleman, sportsman and great ambassador for the GAA. As action speaks louder than words, Paul Galvin should now stand down as Kerry captain BEFORE any more hearings are heard and let the Kerry team get on with preparing for the next game. A lot of attention would then be turned away from Galvin as he would then be seen as just a player. Some of my Cork friends are hoping that he will get only 3 months as all the hype in Kerry would be about be about Galvin prior to the All Ireland. With Galvin no longer as captain the hype would be greatly reduced. Anyone able to set up a vote "Shoupd Paul galvin stand down as Kerry captain".
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Post by seamus on Jul 26, 2008 11:13:45 GMT
Interesting point about Paul and the captaincy. The problem is that (without wishing to offend our friends in North Kerry) Feale Rangers are long shots to win another championship and will he get the chance again? If he was from South Kerry then it might be an option but at 28 and playing with feale rangers it probably is a once in a lifetime chance..
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 26, 2008 12:03:29 GMT
Paul Galvin said he is sorry for what he did. Action is now called for. What he did was a disgrace to Kerry football. Look at how Mark ó Sé left the field when he was incorrectly sent off. Marc is a REAl gentleman, sportsman and great ambassador for the GAA. As action speaks louder than words, Paul Galvin should now stand down as Kerry captain BEFORE any more hearings are heard and let the Kerry team get on with preparing for the next game. A lot of attention would then be turned away from Galvin as he would then be seen as just a player. Some of my Cork friends are hoping that he will get only 3 months as all the hype in Kerry would be about be about Galvin prior to the All Ireland. With Galvin no longer as captain the hype would be greatly reduced. Anyone able to set up a vote "Shoupd Paul galvin stand down as Kerry captain". Captaincy in Kerry doesnt really mean as much as it does in other counties, Fine you lead your team around and you (hopefully) lift The Cup. In Kerry before the game and at half time its not just the Captain who speaks, there is many players on that team who stand up and are listened to and respected and while Galvin is off Tomas is captain instead of him and noone seems to be thinking about him and how he must be feeling at been captain but only at the expense of Galvins suspension and as Tomas himself has said he would prefer to have Paul leading the team out other than him. And been from North Kerry not a bit offended and also agree it could be a long time again before North Kerry will have the chance to be have a player as Captain. Paul has given years to the GAA and deserves to be captain as much as any player does, and for his time on the pitch it was his cleanest game I have ever seen, and hopefully when he gets to play with Kerry again we will see the Passionate but not the firey Galvin play again, and how great would it be to see him lift Sam Maguire as Captain
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 26, 2008 12:17:37 GMT
In the end a captain is just another player. It only matters in spetmeber when the captain is the one to lift the cup first (still convinced of that) and make his speech. Football is a team sport and all players are equally important no matter what. A team is as strong as its weakest player. If the opponent finds a weakness they'll utilize it (at least the big teams will). Our weakness seems to be midfield at the moment but we'll sort that out. Like a horde of buffaloes they only run as fast as the weakest buffaloes and if a lion kills one its usually the weaker examples. Et ergo, the whole horde runs faster and becomes stronger. Kind of like brain cells after a pint; your brain is neural network that only thinks as fast as the slowest and weakest brain cells. Alcohol will destroy brain cells and usually attacks the weakest brain cells first. Et ergo, after one pint you'll think faster and suddenly have lots of extra ideas. (doesn't work when you drink more than one though and people usually drink more than one). In other words: Loosing Galvin is bad for the Kerry horde or the Kerry brain but we're still a team. We have to perform as a team and identify our weaknesses and sort them out. Only as a team we can become champions again. Our biggest weakness at the moment is midfield though we have great players in that position. Sort this out and we're unstoppable.
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 26, 2008 12:24:15 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 26, 2008 15:07:51 GMT
Billy keane said in todays indo that people feel all Paul has been offered is the last cigarette.I'd nearly say Billy that that last cigarette was picked up of the ground also.
Now is the time to stand behind paul and his family and support them.As regards releaving him off the captaincy,well i'd say if you made a similar suggestion to someone like Dirty Harry he'd glare at you with pierced eyes,match stick sticking out amongst the stubble and scrowl,"go ahead punk,draw and make my day"
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 26, 2008 15:19:07 GMT
he'd glare at you with pierced eyes,match stick sticking out amongst the stubble and scrowl,"go ahead punk,draw and make my day" You can just see Paul saying something like that Yes I do agree, We dont need this to cause a split in the camp or bad feeling amoung players and supporters. Let Paul stay captain if he is to play again in the Championship, He deserves it
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Post by mozzy on Jul 26, 2008 15:51:17 GMT
the idea of Paul relinquishing his Captaincy is nonsense - the man did what he did - is appealing an excessive punishment and is following due process ... he diserves a fair hearing and is following procedure - we all know who needs to stand down....... If it was any other County - they would do the very same
Come on Paul - we are cheering for you no matter what - your passion is what we have been missing - any more great characters and fantastic footballers like that in North Kerry???
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 26, 2008 15:58:43 GMT
we all know who needs to stand down....... If it was any other County - they would do the very same Who needs to stand down.. Wee bit ill/hungover today, spent last night arguning with Cork folk about Galvin Come on Paul - we are cheering for you no matter what - your passion is what we have been missing - any more great characters and fantastic footballers like that in North Kerry??? Not that I can see.... or have seen in a long long time... I think at this stage nearly everyone in Kerry is supporting Paul, he did wrong but was man enough to admint it. The only thing is when he is back (if this year) he will have to watch himself with the Refs/Linesmen. They could be out to get him even more now. And as Matt Cooper said on TV3 during the week Galvin is been punished for previous actions
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Post by mozzy on Jul 26, 2008 16:04:22 GMT
Brennan and his motley crew - and Paddy Russell - the 16th player of every team we play against - when he is the ref......
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 26, 2008 16:06:39 GMT
What about the Linesman... He saw everything that went on and noone seems to be blaming him about what happened... he is just as responsible
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Post by brigid on Jul 26, 2008 18:04:52 GMT
People should not be making excuses for Paul Galvin's behaviour. It was his first time leading out the Kerry team and he looses his head in an unimportant game in front of a small crowd and which was over at the time of his hot headed incident. Should he get less than the 6 months can you imagine the hype and goading he would get in a packed Croke Park against teams like Cork, Dublin, Armagh and especially Tyrone. I dont think he would last 10 minutes before being red carded and where would Kerry be then? Down to 14 players with 60 minutes to go. That is what Kerry faces if Galvin gets back. Does anyone seriously think that he would be an asset to Kerry? I think Kerry would be better off without him.
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Post by mozzy on Jul 26, 2008 18:24:41 GMT
Ah Birgic your very hard on Paul - No one I believe is making excuses for his behavior - I hear what you are saying and you make a lot of sense but he is our Captain and he was reacting to what was unfairly done to him by the linesman and consequently the Ref - no condoning his behavior - and no condoning some form of punishment - but 6 months was excessive plus how many players on all of the teams you mention are like Paul - that's why these teams make it so far - with hard passionate players that drive us on - look how soft we were in 2001 against Meath, 2003 against Tyrone - and recently in the NFL against Derry and of course Cork in the MF - he is a huge loss both as a Captain (which he diserves on merit and per policy) - Paul G has taken us to a different level and I have to disagree we will miss him badly when we face the teams you mention -
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Post by kaywhy on Jul 26, 2008 20:00:09 GMT
How can Paul Galvin conduct his defence if the reasons,identified deficiencies etc are not made known. The Disputes Resolution Authority has notified the GAA and the Kerry county board of the "procedural irregularities" which has resulted in the Paul Galvin case being sent back to the Central Hearings Committee. DRA secretary Liam Keane confirmed on Friday that while the full decision in the case will not be made public just yet, the key ’defects’ in the case have already been notified to both parties. This will mean that both sides will be armed with information before the new hearing by a newly constituted Central Hearings Committee, which is expected to take place within the next week.
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Post by kaywhy on Jul 26, 2008 20:43:32 GMT
John Toal had already been shown a red card and sent to the stands BEFORE the petulant child in Paul came out and threw those water bottles. He wasn't getting any card until he went and followed thru with the throwing. Could have walked away then and played on, could have walked away against Clare and only missed 16mins of C'ship football.
Well, we don't know what was said to either the ref or the linesman... if it was threatening language, or considered abusive conduct, then the rules say 3 months. Or if there was abusive language to both the linesman and ref, then it could be 1 month + 1 month.
Anyway, after looking over the recent posts, a good few revisiting the 'Paul was wronged' comments, I think brigid hit the nail on the head when she mentioned Marc Ó Sé...
Compare the situations: First round of the c'ship in Killarney, Clare were already beaten 19mins into the second half, Paul was involved in a bit of hassle with his marker and was upset, but Paul was only receiving a second yellow meaning he'd miss only the rest of the game.
Munster final against the old enemy in Cork, the game was by no means over when Marc was carded, he was wrongly receiving the first RED card of his intercounty career, it automatically meant a 4 week suspension and he'd miss Kerry's next game.... Now who had a right to be more upset under the circumstances? and considering that, who took it like a man, and walked off without saying a word?
Nuff said. only one man put Paul in this situation.
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 26, 2008 21:22:02 GMT
People should not be making excuses for Paul Galvin's behaviour. It was his first time leading out the Kerry team and he looses his head in an unimportant game in front of a small crowd and which was over at the time of his hot headed incident. Should he get less than the 6 months can you imagine the hype and goading he would get in a packed Croke Park against teams like Cork, Dublin, Armagh and especially Tyrone. I dont think he would last 10 minutes before being red carded and where would Kerry be then? Down to 14 players with 60 minutes to go. That is what Kerry faces if Galvin gets back. Does anyone seriously think that he would be an asset to Kerry? I think Kerry would be better off without him. People always think the worst of Paul and think that the likes of Darragh O'Se are innocent... Watch Darragh next week when he goes up for the ball midfield and knees the opposing player in the back.... But compare Red Cards for Darragh and Paul and who has more.... and what about Donaghey. I think Paul will have learned his lesson and althou I dont think he will be innocent throught the games he will be passionate without the fire.. But Kerry by far will not be better without him. Remember us in the league without him and in the Cork game, and as for the players etc goading Paul they do it at every game so why should this be any different
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Post by Riocht on Jul 26, 2008 21:48:36 GMT
Gosh Brigid I think that might be a bit harsh. Lets hope an end comes to this roundabout shortly and have Paul back playing
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 26, 2008 21:54:31 GMT
Gosh Brigid I think that might be a bit harsh. Lets hope an end comes to this roundabout shortly and have Paul back playing It is.. Im not his biggest fan and there is many a time when I am cursing him under my breath at games, but taking his Captaincy from him is too much. Is him been suspended not enough of punishment for him, The Kerry County Board dont need to punish him anymore. Paul is captain because he deserves it, End Of
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 26, 2008 22:09:55 GMT
It was one bottle.
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 26, 2008 22:37:15 GMT
Did any of you get the Kerry Examiner today? Liam Horan's article makes interesting reading.
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Post by veteran on Jul 27, 2008 8:31:19 GMT
I was not going to comment on the Paul Galvin incident hoping that it would have been resolved by now. It has not, so here goes.
At the outset, I wish to make a general comment about refereeing. By and large, the standard is abysmal. The merest physical contact is earning cheap frees and, in a lot of cases, yellow cards. This is destroying the flow of the game with the referee too often becoming the central figure. It would appear that they know all the rules of the game but know nothing about football, having a total inability to interpret the tone and spirit of a particular match. Pat McEneaney and a couple of others are exempt from this criticism. It is reaching a crisis point with players and followers alike becoming increasingly frustrated. Something needs to be done urgently. At the conclusion off this championship, I suggest that the Kerry County Board should encourage the GAA to organise a forum of referees, players, managers etc to dissect this matter with a view to restoring common sense to the officiating of football matches.
However, no matter how poor a referee is, his person should be sacrosanct. Otherwise, nobody will volunteer as a referee and remember no referees means no matches. It follows from this that Paul Galvin's action was totally unacceptable. I know, I know, I know that he did not directly strike the referee(if he did a life time ban would be appropriate) but what he did constituted an assault on the referee. First day as captain, passion, what was being done by an opponent, what other players have done, what other players have got away with- all these are no better than smoke screens. He committed a grave offence and this merits a severe punishment. Do not forget that not alone did he assault the referee, yes assault, he verbally abused a linesman and displayed little respect for a playing colleague.
Some of the contributions by Kerry commentators and former Kerry players have been nothing short of embarrassing and belong to the land of fantasy. Paul and Kerry are being portrayed as victims and that, whisper it, there is a conspiracy to stop Kerry achieving their three in a row. One former player/selector referred to the Paul Galvin affair as a scam. Yes, I heard it myself, a scam no less. Reflect on this conspiracy theory. How would one organise this movement to stop Kerry? Who is involved? Referees, linesmen, the media, the GAA, Osama Bin Laden? Even the GAA president, Nicky Brennan, has been told that " he has a lot to answer for", suggesting that he is "an amateur" and "out of touch". Firstly, amateur officials have served this organisation well. Secondly, he was democratically elected. Thirdly, Nicky has won an All-Ireland senior hurling medal with Kilkenny. That makes him as worthy a competitor as any Kerry footballer and as likely "to be in touch". He exudes nothing but honour and integrity.
I am as Kerry as the next man. I glory in the exploits off our footballers but if they step out of line I take off my green and gold glasses and try to view the situation objectively.
Finally, I would encourage all people with an opinion on this subject to read page twenty of the Irish Examiner dated 24.07.2008. Liam Horan is writing about this affair. I warn you, read it sitting down because the contents are blistering and searingly painful if you are from Kerry. A raw nerve is touched but if you survive the first reading read it again. Read and heed it and if you are one off those Kerry people who have been affecting an air of martyrdom for the past few weeks just put up your hands, plead guilty by reason of blind county loyalty and move on. Fold your tent, travel to Croke Park next weekend where historically our footballers do their "talking" with dignity.
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