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Post by tralee58 on Apr 1, 2024 12:52:55 GMT
I grew up in England with Kerry Parents in the 70s. 80s.From their enthusiasm I gained interest in Kerry Gaelic football. I didn’t realise they were the best reigning supreme. Dominating like Liverpool in English Soccer. Great to see the joy it brought to the Kerry expats.
Croke Park became a familiar name, I never saw until 80s. Even though Association football was my game and supported my home town club. Kerry Gaelic football was part of annual life. Nothing like yours of course.
I worked with a Dublin man who when learning of my background and allegiance enjoyed thoroughly reminding me of their recent success.
English football has changed hugely it seems Gaelic too. I realise I do not have your expertise and knowledge but my amateur observations were Dublin appeared to move ahead with modern fitness training methods years ago, they must have good funding ? Always helpful essential in English football.
Dublin always appear capable of scoring goals, I never feel same watching Kerry. I used to feel confident with the Gooch in his prime.
I know DC is an awesome talent but a goal scorer ? Who do you feel is a goal threat ? Even Derry looked a threat in transition.
A big gripe for me is Dublin playing semis and finals on their home pitch in front of their home crowd. I know it way it is but even so.
Dublin have become very streetwise with a nasty edge which has been successful even their ladies demonstrated this against Kerry ladies. Unfortunately it works. Like you I want Kerry on top again, they statistically historically still the greatest I know that Offaly memory is hard to suppress. Dubz 6 bitter pill to swallow. Anyway I hope as an English fan I have not offended anyone. I value your feedback opinions very much. CIARRAI Abu
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Post by dano on Apr 1, 2024 15:31:49 GMT
Welcome to the forum. You haven't offended anyone. But you hit the nail on the head with a lot of your points. After yesterday's League Final I , believe it or not, am more confident of Kerry's year than I was before. High balls in over the top and fast FORWARD movement of the ball was always something Kerry mastered. We have the best player in the country, if not of all time, in our ranks and some emerging young stars too.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 1, 2024 17:02:59 GMT
Welcome to the forum. You haven't offended anyone. But you hit the nail on the head with a lot of your points. After yesterday's League Final I , believe it or not, am more confident of Kerry's year than I was before. High balls in over the top and fast FORWARD movement of the ball was always something Kerry mastered. We have the best player in the country, if not of all time, in our ranks and some emerging young stars too. I think we always believe we have the best players but it is a belief I would question. Now, I think all our players are fine and excellent players. But better necessarily than their competitors. I am not so sure anymore. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 1, 2024 17:55:29 GMT
Welcome to the forum. You haven't offended anyone. But you hit the nail on the head with a lot of your points. After yesterday's League Final I , believe it or not, am more confident of Kerry's year than I was before. High balls in over the top and fast FORWARD movement of the ball was always something Kerry mastered. We have the best player in the country, if not of all time, in our ranks and some emerging young stars too. The problem is bolded above. Under this management team we have never looked like doing the above on a consistent basis. We are a safety first team now and play percentages over possibilities. Pat Spillane had a decent enough article in the SW yesterday where he said Kerry will not give a 50/50 ball as they are scarred by the level of turnovers against Tyrone in 21. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 1, 2024 18:52:18 GMT
Welcome to the forum. You haven't offended anyone. But you hit the nail on the head with a lot of your points. After yesterday's League Final I , believe it or not, am more confident of Kerry's year than I was before. High balls in over the top and fast FORWARD movement of the ball was always something Kerry mastered. We have the best player in the country, if not of all time, in our ranks and some emerging young stars too. The problem is bolded above. Under this management team we have never looked like doing the above on a consistent basis. We are a safety first team now and play percentages over possibilities. Pat Spillane had a decent enough article in the SW yesterday where he said Kerry will not give a 50/50 ball as they are scarred by the level of turnovers against Tyrone in 21. But we hoofed the ball in at times against Galway in 2022? |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 1, 2024 19:01:56 GMT
All pointing in same direction
You have to attack and take them on
Derry we’re cleary instructed to go for goals and
You won’t beat the market leader without goals
When is the last time you seen Kerry being brave
Like Derry yesterday?
Take an example of one player from each team
Would you agree that. Cillian Burke is of similar caliber as
Young Loughlin Murray
Young Murray went for everything yesterday
Took on his man took on his shots
Played with total lack of fear and plenty exuberance with the best yet to come
Tell me that Cillian Burke can’t do the same
Sure he can but he’s not coached that way
With his skill and pace he should be doing a whole lot
More great prospect but so far has being playing away
Too conservative he does a blinding piece of ball
Carrying and then gives a tame 5 yard pass at the
End of it but that a symptom of how them lads are
Coached
Looking for Kerry to be more cavalier
More unpredictable
Of course mistakes will happen but so will
Pieces of Kerry magic
Yesterday I saw Brian Fintan sprinting flat out going away from his own goal chasing Brendan Roger’s
Has Fintan ever had to chase any of our midfielders
No we have spent many games chasing him we gave him nothing to defend in the past only making a hero out of him by deciding to strictly mark him thus raising the white flag before a ball was kicked
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 1, 2024 23:14:28 GMT
Welcome to the forum. You haven't offended anyone. But you hit the nail on the head with a lot of your points. After yesterday's League Final I , believe it or not, am more confident of Kerry's year than I was before. High balls in over the top and fast FORWARD movement of the ball was always something Kerry mastered. We have the best player in the country, if not of all time, in our ranks and some emerging young stars too. I think we always believe we have the best players but it is a belief I would question. Now, I think all our players are fine and excellent players. But better necessarily than their competitors. I am not so sure anymore. I would question it also.While I do believe David Clifford is or has the potential to be the best in the land maybe we overstate the status.Example when David scores a point from a distance we (and tbf many pundits) really applaud him but other guys score points just as good if not better and are nt applauded in same way.In fact I often though when Diarmuid Connolly David Clifford or Ciaran McDonald kicked tough points people would talk in awe of them but if it was Declan O Sullivan Alan Brogan or Andy Moran they would just say well done.In fact Oisin Gallen kicked a couple of points for Donegal Sunday that were super and if it was David the pundits would be fawning over him.We have good players but no better than other counties.Yes we have the talent to win an All Ireland that only 6 or 7 counties at most have but we have nt the best players in the land.In fact if one had to pick the best team in the country we would only have one guarenteed pick i.e.David. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 1, 2024 23:22:27 GMT
All pointing in same direction You have to attack and take them on Derry we’re cleary instructed to go for goals and You won’t beat the market leader without goals When is the last time you seen Kerry being brave Like Derry yesterday? Take an example of one player from each team Would you agree that. Cillian Burke is of similar caliber as Young Loughlin Murray Young Murray went for everything yesterday Took on his man took on his shots Played with total lack of fear and plenty exuberance with the best yet to come Tell me that Cillian Burke can’t do the same Sure he can but he’s not coached that way With his skill and pace he should be doing a whole lot More great prospect but so far has being playing away Too conservative he does a blinding piece of ball Carrying and then gives a tame 5 yard pass at the End of it but that a symptom of how them lads are Coached Looking for Kerry to be more cavalier More unpredictable Of course mistakes will happen but so will Pieces of Kerry magic Yesterday I saw Brian Fintan sprinting flat out going away from his own goal chasing Brendan Roger’s Has Fintan ever had to chase any of our midfielders No we have spent many games chasing him we gave him nothing to defend in the past only making a hero out of him by deciding to strictly mark him thus raising the white flag before a ball was kicked Brilliant post and agree 100%. Ive been on about this for ages.Jack is giving Tally too much credance.Attack attack attack.Fair play to Derry.Its Ironic but a Mickey Harte team plays with more gusto and balls than a Kerry team led by Jack (the man that critised the football by Harte and McGuinness) but copied them.They moved on though but Jack did nt. |
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Post by kerrysouth on Apr 2, 2024 2:06:56 GMT
Agree with Collinsworth but how can Kerry play an all out attacking game when unlike Derry we have to play a third midfielder in the half forward line to compensate for a suspect midfield and another worker in the half forward line who does not score regularly enough .Kerry are now so predictable to play against and not brave enough I agree we should throw off the shackles and play with 6 scoring forwards that is the way to beat Dublin.. but who is coaching the forwards Jack is a great manager but down south here he was always considered an average coach and this is where kerry are falling down too much emphasis on setting up with players to protect the defence and not enough attacking scoring forwards but let’s not just blame jack it is happening with all the underage teams in kerry minors and 20s for a good few years now .but there is time yet to reach a road to Damascus moment and change to attack and maybe Sam will return to the kingdom after all ..
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 2, 2024 9:58:22 GMT
The problem is bolded above. Under this management team we have never looked like doing the above on a consistent basis. We are a safety first team now and play percentages over possibilities. Pat Spillane had a decent enough article in the SW yesterday where he said Kerry will not give a 50/50 ball as they are scarred by the level of turnovers against Tyrone in 21. But we hoofed the ball in at times against Galway in 2022? I think it says much about how little we give in this type of ball that you can recall instantly the last time we did it. I agree with someone else on this thread or one of the others that said have to play a third midfielder or a completely non scoring half forward does blunt our edge somewhat. |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 2, 2024 10:29:38 GMT
The idea of 6 scoring forwards and dropping the 15 to the middle area all that way of thinking is obsolete now with the top teams
Where yes you’ve two up front or one or none
But everyone is a defender and everyone is an attacker
Derry won Sunday because there star center back number 6 got up to score goals twice
How many times in the last 12 months has their corner back 4
McCloskey scored good goals
How many times have you seen Derrys 8 and 9 score vital goals vital points
Call it total football or whatever you want but that s how it seems
Dublin and Derry are playing now
I think we are still trying to put too much thru
David and we probably not using Sean o Shea enough even though he’s got a much higher scores per shots taken ratio
We have good footballers through out the field maybe need to emphasize youth and pace a little more then we can play similar game to Dublin and Derry and hopefully beat them at their own game with a wider spread of scorers
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Post by dano on Apr 2, 2024 15:17:45 GMT
There must be a change in tactics with Kerry this year lads. Obviously, what they've been at hasn't brought much success apart from one AI in 22. Hopefully Joe O Connor and Barry Dan continue their upward trajectory and Diarmuid can be used in the half forward line. Barry Dan and Joe have proven they can compete at MF and also score (goals and points) throughout the League campaign. I still believe we Have the Best player (Not PlayerS) in the land but he is double and treble marked out of every game.Teams have made it their business to " deal" with David and, more especially at away games when the home crowd get into it too cheering any imperfetion in his play etc. I was excited by the placing of Seanie at ff line early on this season and he seemed to make hay there. Hopefully we see more of this in the championship.
Cork will be up for whatever we have to offer in Killarney and will take no prisoners.I expect Jack to be ready for this. Remember the Kieran Donaghy experiment that Jack tried back in 06? David and Seanie have more football than Kieran. (sorry KD).
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 2, 2024 15:50:47 GMT
Our Kerry no-hopers lost the All Ireland final by one point with our best player having an off day.
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Post by homerj on Apr 2, 2024 16:20:15 GMT
Our Kerry no-hopers lost the All Ireland final by one point with our best player having an off day. exactly and Dublin won that match by playing the most defensive football seen by a dublin team in their history. its incredible how carried away lads get, we have no device right to win Sam every year but some people think we do, its very frustrating. we werent far off it in 2019, 2021 and 2023 either. if we could win one Sam every 4 years going forward, id be f*cking delighted, some counties would kill for 1 every 15-20 years. |
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Post by augustafield on Apr 2, 2024 17:07:20 GMT
Belligerent Aggresssive In Your Face No Fear and utterly confident
in their own ability was how Micky Harte send out Derry on Sunday .
Tackling on the edge - high and hands to the face - and a bit of play
acting with no fear of or respect for the Dubs not unlike a previous age
with another of Hartes team . No question they rattled the Dubs cage
big time but Fenton’s sending off was more down to Conor Lane’s
over reaction to an Oscar like performance from the Derry man than
any malicious intent from Fenton .
Derry deserved to win - they ran hard and fast and kept the momentum
going to the end and displayed no little skill and the Dubs were lucky to
make the game go to extra time and penalties . But what kind of a Dubs
team did Derry beat. ? I’d imagine we’ll see a very different Dubs come
the Championship .
Whither Kerry in all this ? If things play out as expected it should be a
Derry - Dubs semi final and Kerry in the other semi . So two of the top
three in League placing could play the in the final for Sam .
How many Kerry players could match the aggressive belligerence in your
face attitude that Derry brought last Sunday ? That’s the difference that
we don’t have . Skill levels may be similar , the desire will be there but
the ingredient that gets you over the line - the sheer bloodymindedness
to be ruthless when required - is not . That must be included in the mix .
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Post by ciarraimick on Apr 2, 2024 17:20:51 GMT
Our Kerry no-hopers lost the All Ireland final by one point with our best player having an off day. Our Kerry team were nt no-hopers though.Kerry were favourites last year. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 2, 2024 20:21:31 GMT
Funny how things change so fast and bet your bottom dollar there will be more surprises.
Dublin look the best right now but there will be a lot of activity between here and the lifting of Sam.
Foremost on my mind is can Derry improve? Many feel they will run out of steam but I'd be surprised if they were naive on this - do they know something we don't or has Mickey some magic infinite energy potion?
Maybe there is a bit of poker being played here too.
Can we improve enough, only time will tell.
And yip, we are greedy - look at all the counties who have no chance whatsoever of silver. And then you have poor Mayo who keep turning up, providing top class entertainment but stuck in a rut of faltering on sight on the winning line, gosh life can be so cruel. How would us animals cope with that?
Still I suppose Derry give hope to others and sure that's what it's all about - ah maybe I'm being a bit philosophical but I'll come from my senses at throw in.
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Post by derryoak on Apr 3, 2024 12:39:49 GMT
Funny how things change so fast and bet your bottom dollar there will be more surprises. Dublin look the best right now but there will be a lot of activity between here and the lifting of Sam. Foremost on my mind is can Derry improve? Many feel they will run out of steam but I'd be surprised if they were naive on this - do they know something we don't or has Mickey some magic infinite energy potion? Maybe there is a bit of poker being played here too. Can we improve enough, only time will tell. And yip, we are greedy - look at all the counties who have no chance whatsoever of silver. And then you have poor Mayo who keep turning up, providing top class entertainment but stuck in a rut of faltering on sight on the winning line, gosh life can be so cruel. How would us animals cope with that? Still I suppose Derry give hope to others and sure that's what it's all about - ah maybe I'm being a bit philosophical but I'll come from my senses at throw in. I don't understand this GAA obsession with running out of steam. This Derry team has been going flat out for 3 years for every game. They get rested between games and go again. We might get injuries but that's the same for every team. Personally I think Derry can improve. McKinless only played a few minutes and he's the best 6 in the country. Lachlan Murray is getting better and better and left 1-3 out there. Shane McGuigan was good but it was far from his best performance this year. All of a sudden Dublin are missing men. We didn't hear them mentioned after they beat Kerry in the league, as this was meant to be the new Dublin. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 3, 2024 15:50:26 GMT
Funny how things change so fast and bet your bottom dollar there will be more surprises. Dublin look the best right now but there will be a lot of activity between here and the lifting of Sam. Foremost on my mind is can Derry improve? Many feel they will run out of steam but I'd be surprised if they were naive on this - do they know something we don't or has Mickey some magic infinite energy potion? Maybe there is a bit of poker being played here too. Can we improve enough, only time will tell. And yip, we are greedy - look at all the counties who have no chance whatsoever of silver. And then you have poor Mayo who keep turning up, providing top class entertainment but stuck in a rut of faltering on sight on the winning line, gosh life can be so cruel. How would us animals cope with that? Still I suppose Derry give hope to others and sure that's what it's all about - ah maybe I'm being a bit philosophical but I'll come from my senses at throw in. I don't understand this GAA obsession with running out of steam. This Derry team has been going flat out for 3 years for every game. They get rested between games and go again. We might get injuries but that's the same for every team. Personally I think Derry can improve. McKinless only played a few minutes and he's the best 6 in the country. Lachlan Murray is getting better and better and left 1-3 out there. Shane McGuigan was good but it was far from his best performance this year. All of a sudden Dublin are missing men. We didn't hear them mentioned after they beat Kerry in the league, as this was meant to be the new Dublin. Hello to you and welcome to The Kingdom! I a way you kind of confirm what I was saying in that you guys appear to be immune to fatigue and yes, the specifics you point to are fact. I wouldn't be taking from you or indeed any team on the up, I think it is great and without it the GAA would be a lesser place. To me the Derry demonstration of traditional skills in Tralee was the standout moment so far, even if it was to our cost; it be long remembered if only because it is so rare these days. You can't train that into lads and which makes me wonder what inspired it. While it was high energy it didn't drain the tank, so maybe that's part of the puzzle sorted - just a powerful run down the field and pop it over? I saw plenty of Derry down the years when based in Tír Conaill and I recall having to convince yer own supporters that you weren't as far away as you thought, and that goes back more than 3 years. You are a Div 1 football county and I'm not surprised that you have come through. Did the management issues open the door and Mickey saw something? Though stats suggest otherwise, I am ever amazed that counties, and indeed national teams in other codes, have to 'import' managers, as Derry did so in two most recent instances, but sure sin scéal eile! We're all only neighbours children and that makes for the best tribal battles and this year is shaping up nicely in that Department! |
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Post by derryoak on Apr 3, 2024 17:25:46 GMT
I don't understand this GAA obsession with running out of steam. This Derry team has been going flat out for 3 years for every game. They get rested between games and go again. We might get injuries but that's the same for every team. Personally I think Derry can improve. McKinless only played a few minutes and he's the best 6 in the country. Lachlan Murray is getting better and better and left 1-3 out there. Shane McGuigan was good but it was far from his best performance this year. All of a sudden Dublin are missing men. We didn't hear them mentioned after they beat Kerry in the league, as this was meant to be the new Dublin. Hello to you and welcome to The Kingdom! I a way you kind of confirm what I was saying in that you guys appear to be immune to fatigue and yes, the specifics you point to are fact. I wouldn't be taking from you or indeed any team on the up, I think it is great and without it the GAA would be a lesser place. To me the Derry demonstration of traditional skills in Tralee was the standout moment so far, even if it was to our cost; it be long remembered if only because it is so rare these days. You can't train that into lads and which makes me wonder what inspired it. While it was high energy it didn't drain the tank, so maybe that's part of the puzzle sorted - just a powerful run down the field and pop it over? I saw plenty of Derry down the years when based in Tír Conaill and I recall having to convince yer own supporters that you weren't as far away as you thought, and that goes back more than 3 years. You are a Div 1 football county and I'm not surprised that you have come through. Did the management issues open the door and Mickey saw something? Though stats suggest otherwise, I am ever amazed that counties, and indeed national teams in other codes, have to 'import' managers, as Derry did so in two most recent instances, but sure sin scéal eile! We're all only neighbours children and that makes for the best tribal battles and this year is shaping up nicely in that Department! The biggest change in Derry was Rory Gallagher. Mickey Harte has been brilliant but I don't think we can say for sure that Gallagher wouldn't have done the same. He made the players believe and he got us two Ulsters and two AI semis. We were improving every year with him too. Mickey Harte aside, outside managers isn't as big a deal in Ulster as it is in Kerry, maybe because of the close proximity of many of the counties we have got used to it. Yes I'm not sure we were always a Division 1 county but I knew with a full team we were no worse than division 2 in recent years. The success of Slaughtneil in both codes really impacted our league position in the late 2010s |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 3, 2024 22:53:25 GMT
Hello to you and welcome to The Kingdom! I a way you kind of confirm what I was saying in that you guys appear to be immune to fatigue and yes, the specifics you point to are fact. I wouldn't be taking from you or indeed any team on the up, I think it is great and without it the GAA would be a lesser place. To me the Derry demonstration of traditional skills in Tralee was the standout moment so far, even if it was to our cost; it be long remembered if only because it is so rare these days. You can't train that into lads and which makes me wonder what inspired it. While it was high energy it didn't drain the tank, so maybe that's part of the puzzle sorted - just a powerful run down the field and pop it over? I saw plenty of Derry down the years when based in Tír Conaill and I recall having to convince yer own supporters that you weren't as far away as you thought, and that goes back more than 3 years. You are a Div 1 football county and I'm not surprised that you have come through. Did the management issues open the door and Mickey saw something? Though stats suggest otherwise, I am ever amazed that counties, and indeed national teams in other codes, have to 'import' managers, as Derry did so in two most recent instances, but sure sin scéal eile! We're all only neighbours children and that makes for the best tribal battles and this year is shaping up nicely in that Department! The biggest change in Derry was Rory Gallagher. Mickey Harte has been brilliant but I don't think we can say for sure that Gallagher wouldn't have done the same. He made the players believe and he got us two Ulsters and two AI semis. We were improving every year with him too. Mickey Harte aside, outside managers isn't as big a deal in Ulster as it is in Kerry, maybe because of the close proximity of many of the counties we have got used to it. Yes I'm not sure we were always a Division 1 county but I knew with a full team we were no worse than division 2 in recent years. The success of Slaughtneil in both codes really impacted our league position in the late 2010s No disrespect to Rory but Mikey holds a special place in our hearts - a stake through the middle of it! I suppose the Vintage Crop raw material is there and Sunday was a big moral victory. Slaughtneil were inspiring wins, interesting you feel it lifted the county. I suppose Kerry were late with outside help and Tally sure raised eyebrows. I always found Ulster boyos playing cards close to the chest - did they think someone in Kerry would listen, let alone take notice of my gibberish? I used to love the rural clubs visiting Letterkenny, special it was, great conversations. Going back, the powerbase of Donegal and Derry were in the south of the respective counties. McGuinness tipped it back a bit in Donegal, also maybe tipped 'The Gaelic' back as the majority sport though soccer still big. What is the story in Derry in this respect? North Kerry, while having a lot of hurling, is nevertheless punching below it's weight this past while - we have but one on the panel, the now injured Jason Foley and of my own parish. What is a further worry is that the big Tralee Clubs are relegated - Austin Stacks is now in Div 2 yet they are the most successful club in Ireland in terms of All Ireland medals I believe. Are there any trends in Derry in the spread of players? Dungiven was always strongish? Great chat here and all the better with fresh voices. Hermit and Horsebox jumped ship from another forum a few years back and now we have a much better quality conversation - Veteran's match reports are also class! |
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