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Post by The16thMan on Jan 28, 2024 10:36:22 GMT
Similar story to last season, after losing our Round 1 game by a point we play Monaghan needing a win to ensure we stay clear of a potential relegation battle later on.
Kerry need to be out of the blocks a lot faster than what we saw vs Derry. Perhaps some changes to the starting team but I can't see fellas who weren't involved vs Derry being recalled yet. The likes of Diarmuid O'Connor, Stephen O'Brien and maybe Paul Murphy might get a start.
Monaghan will be tough to beat, they had no fear of running at Dublin and got a lot of success from it. They had players with immense pace and this has always been the type of player that Kerry have struggled with.
This will be a tough game, maybe too tough to make a call on but I'd be hoping Kerry will cut out the carelessness of the 1st half vs Derry and use the positives they had in parts of the 2nd half to get them over the line here.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 28, 2024 21:59:27 GMT
On to Clones, expect about 3 changes minimum.
Monaghan will go into the game in high spirits, I was impressed with their work rate all over the field, threats from 1 to 15.
Will we have one of the Clifford’s back , need more points across the board if Kerry going to have any chance, Monaghan kicked 3-9 last night, goals win games I guess, but much like ourselves not kicking the lights out.
Bring it on.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 29, 2024 11:36:29 GMT
Come the summer we will be lamenting the lack of new players if we don't continue to play fringe players - second game into the league is too soon to be sending for the cavalry.
Playing Monaghan in Clones is exactly they type of game where lads will earn their spurs - far better than mickey mouse games against Limerick and Tipp in the Mc Grath Cup.
Kerry's ambitions for 2024 are all about Sam and its essential we blood and test candidates for Championship fare - any rotation needs to be with those lads who have had ample opportunities over the past 4/5 years and have proven time and again they are not what we are searching for.
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 29, 2024 11:47:36 GMT
Game to be televised live on TG4 App or deferred on the telly
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jan 29, 2024 18:18:25 GMT
Would like to see Graham o Sullivan here start at 10 or 12. Tyrone did it with Conor meyler, monahan tinkered with conor McCarthy.. graham js such a good footballer he can play anywhere in the pitch. He also plays as 3rd midfielder , number 11 for us as he wins lots of ball like a forward would do in middle attack end of the pitch for us.
I reckon he’d be a great wing forward, we have enough backs and seriously lacking forward pace and scores.
Geaneys good players but won’t cut the mustard in July against Derry or Dublin. Burke has lots of things to sort out in his game. He’s young though.
Sad state when relying on paul and Stephen to keep us as favourites to win Sam again this year .
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Post by ciarrai74 on Jan 29, 2024 18:43:59 GMT
Would like to see Graham o Sullivan here start at 10 or 12. Tyrone did it with Conor meyler, monahan tinkered with conor McCarthy.. graham js such a good footballer he can play anywhere in the pitch. He also plays as 3rd midfielder , number 11 for us as he wins lots of ball like a forward would do in middle attack end of the pitch for us. I reckon he’d be a great wing forward, we have enough backs and seriously lacking forward pace and scores. Geaneys good players but won’t cut the mustard in July against Derry or Dublin. Burke has lots of things to sort out in his game. He’s young though. Sad state when relying on paul and Stephen to keep us as favourites to win Sam again this year . Would you believe this idea went through my head. I love thinking outside the box but i'm not sure JOC does. Football has changed and players can slot in to various positions. Graham has all the attributes required for your suggestion. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 29, 2024 18:59:30 GMT
Looking ahead at the Monaghan clash, taking into consideration the panel and player availability, despite the influx of doom and gloom after Saturdays match, I don't see many changes. Saturday, like I Posted on the Derry match thread isn't all negatives, it was a near full strength team vs a seriously weakened and in experienced side.
Jack also doesn't do knee jerk team selections.
The only reason I can think of why Brión was withdrawn, must have been because of injury, he did get a knock under the pavilion. I don't think Gavin or Tom are centre backs. Going on Saturdays display, and assuming Beagleoich has a knock, I would reshuffle our back six in front of Shane Ryan as follows, Casey (O'Beagleoich of fit), Foley, Tom Sullivan, Sean O'Brien, Graham Sullivan, Gavin White. So yes, I would give Sean O'Brien another shot, his physique will be needed down the line, he has something, he was impressive in early games, and has been consistent in club and for Mid Kerry in recent years
In midfield, I would retain Joe and start Diarmuid, Saturday will have brought him on. I liked what I saw, there is something fresh about Kilian Bourke, I do think Paudie will be drafted in, and Dylan Geaney for me has done enough, inside, last chance saloon for Killian, Seanie and Dara Moynihan in the corner to drift out.
So thats, Ryan, O'Beagleoich if fit, otherwise Casey, Foley, Tom Sull, O'Brien, Graham, White, Joe and Diarmuid, Bourke, Paudie, Dylan, Killian, Seanie and Dara..
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 29, 2024 19:57:38 GMT
Like the idea of Diarmuid on the forty, you know I was also thinking we were like a sieve last day out, is this the position or pocket that invariably Jack Barry would cover??
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Post by peanuts on Jan 29, 2024 20:21:06 GMT
Like the idea of Diarmuid on the forty, you know I was also thinking we were like a sieve last day out, is this the position or pocket that invariably Jack Barry would cover?? I don’t know about Diarmuid on the forty. He’s our best midfielder, we need him there. Would like to see him really drive on this year. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 29, 2024 20:23:39 GMT
Like the idea of Diarmuid on the forty, you know I was also thinking we were like a sieve last day out, is this the position or pocket that invariably Jack Barry would cover?? I don’t know about Diarmuid on the forty. He’s our best midfielder, we need him there. Would like to see him really drive on this year. Short term solution.. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 29, 2024 20:28:25 GMT
Would like to see Graham o Sullivan here start at 10 or 12. Tyrone did it with Conor meyler, monahan tinkered with conor McCarthy.. graham js such a good footballer he can play anywhere in the pitch. He also plays as 3rd midfielder , number 11 for us as he wins lots of ball like a forward would do in middle attack end of the pitch for us. I reckon he’d be a great wing forward, we have enough backs and seriously lacking forward pace and scores. Geaneys good players but won’t cut the mustard in July against Derry or Dublin. Burke has lots of things to sort out in his game. He’s young though. Sad state when relying on paul and Stephen to keep us as favourites to win Sam again this year . I don’t mind the idea of Graham at wing forward at all. He’s a total footballer, different to White and Beaglaoich who have been tried there before. Only thing is we are not overflowing with options in the backs either, him moving out would weaken us there. Casey and Murphy are next up after our strongest back 6 and both are subs for me when it comes to the business end of championship. If it were to happen I’d like to see Damien Bourke looked at as an option in the backs. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 29, 2024 20:32:20 GMT
Starting Barry Dan, Joe and Diarmuid all together might negate some of our weaknesses at midfield and should help us win more long kickouts.
I can’t see Burns or Sean O’Brien starting against Monaghan. Barry Dan and Diarmuid in assuming the Cliffords aren’t brought up. Only other change I could see is Conor Geaney for Killian Spillane but I’d probably give Killian another go.
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Post by chicago09 on Jan 29, 2024 20:32:55 GMT
Like the idea of Diarmuid on the forty, you know I was also thinking we were like a sieve last day out, is this the position or pocket that invariably Jack Barry would cover?? Yes I would go with the same team we had and yes I thought of Jack Barry too Saturday and he was our defensive cover and may be it was Sean O’Briens job to be in that position and that was reason he was taken off which was harsh I thought. Maybe you saw more being at the game. |
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Post by Lolly Valance on Jan 29, 2024 21:26:31 GMT
Jack isn't adverse to trying new things. After all he is the one that moved Donaghy to full forward. He has also tried Darran as a wing back on the league before. No issue with trying Graeme in the half forward line but think we should explore other options first.
Burke needs games to get up to the level as does Geaney. Burns on the other hand can have no such excuses. I'd give the same 15 a run again apart from dropping Tom back if Brian is injured, put Graeme at 6 with Heinrich on the wing. Otherwise swap Tom with Graeme.
I'd start Adrian Spillane for burns
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 29, 2024 21:48:14 GMT
Seán Hurson to referee our game Sunday, I always felt him a fair ref and to the best of my memory Kerry have a decent record when he refs, not 100% on that though.
As for team selection, I feel there has to be 2 or 3 changes from the last night. I would try Diarmuid in with Joe O'Connor in the middle. Conor Geaney in for Micheal Burns and Killian moving to the other corner. Perhaps Barry Dan could start but I could only see that for perhaps Moynihan and Diarmuid being drawn out to a number 10. Cillian Burke and Dylan Geaney both deserve another shot, I didn't feel Sean O'Brien did a whole pile wrong the last day but I can understand Jacks thinking in taking him off. If I had to take off 1 of the 2 midfielders it would probably be the debutant also.
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Post by tpo on Jan 29, 2024 22:26:50 GMT
Paddy Kelly was a shock and then disappeared
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Post by homerj on Jan 30, 2024 10:03:31 GMT
youd imagine the team that finished the last day, wont be far off whats picked for sunday save for 1 or 2 lads
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Post by thehermit on Jan 30, 2024 10:39:07 GMT
Game to be televised live on TG4 App or deferred on the telly God Bless TG4! I think its going to be crucial to start earlier out of the traps. We need speed and tempo from the off this Sunday. We were so lethargic (esp in the first half) last Saturday. Nice direct balls into the corner were won, only be kicked back out to midfield instead of at least trying to draw a foul with more direct running. A very early thrown in on Sunday, 1pm?!!! I assume Kerry might stay over the night before. If they're travelling on the morning it might significantly impair the idea of a quick gung-ho start! |
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Post by john4 on Jan 30, 2024 10:46:05 GMT
Bar your full back, maybe another 1 or 2 specific man markers and 2 inside forwards, Is every other position on the field not generic.
The traditional positions are a thing of the past
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Post by veteran on Jan 30, 2024 12:56:15 GMT
I do hope the Cliffords are not asked to make the trek to Clones on Sunday , emergency or not. Jack should say: , “ Look most of you are big boys now, it is time you you stopped dining at the children’s table and cease expecting to be bailed out by the the two boys.”
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2024 13:32:07 GMT
I hope jack stands by his decision not to bring the Clifford's back until thr Mayo game.
I see 2 changes,
Diarmuid O Connor in with Joe O Connor in midfield.
Conor Geaney in for Micheal Burns.
Position wise Tom Sullivan did not work at 6.
The loss of Mike Breen is huge as he'd have been at 6 the last day.
I'm not sure who goes in there but we can't put Tom in there again he gave Jason Foley no protection and with Monaghans runners that could kill us.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 30, 2024 14:23:16 GMT
Just a few things running around ny head after Saturday.While Dylan Geaney was nt too bad i felt he gave very easy passage for Derry to run through.He defensive side needs a little work.I think Conor might be a better fit at mo.Also on Stephen O Brien im a bit flumaxed.Whilw im a fan of Stephen im a little disappionted in his atributes as a forward.The chance he got for a goal was a 95 percent chance but chose a silly pads.Im off the opinion no natural forward should miss a goal chance like that one on one.A shimmy or a dummy and you have an empty net.Was nt it against Dublin or Tyrone Stephen messed up opwn goal chances too by touching ball on ground instead of sticking a boot at it.While I know Stephen is in the twilight of his career he should be coached a bit better by a forward coach which begs another question.Do we have one?Nowadays every angle has to be covered. I agree about finishing that to the net. Simplicity is the answer. The keeper was 100% focussed and was waiting for Stephen to prepare to shoot. He should have dropped the ball for another solo but not tapped it back up, let it hit the grass and toe poke it in. A keeper's weakest spot is under his diving body. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 30, 2024 14:38:44 GMT
I do hope the Cliffords are not asked to make the trek to Clones on Sunday , emergency or not. Jack should say: , “ Look most of you are big boys now, it is time you you stopped dining at the children’s table and cease expecting to be bailed out by the the two boys.” Agree, many lament the lack of a trusted back up, but we can't keep running to the tried and trusted every low tide. Players have to be given their iron, and tested fully, no better place than meeting a high flying Monaghan in Clones. |
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Post by dc84 on Jan 30, 2024 16:07:13 GMT
The number 6 position is a tricky one it's very specialised hard to see who fits the bill at the minute. Tom should be corner back or wing back if we want dylan casey to have another run.
I'd bring diarmuid in at midfield with his namesake joe we probably need these two to gel for the summer. No.11 is tough aswell I don't think d.geaney is the answer there l.
The movement of the forwards was poor the last day bar seanie and o brien when he came on I know he made a balls of 2 goal chances but he was busy and at least he got in the positions which is more than killian or burns did.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 30, 2024 16:31:14 GMT
What's the time frame for Morley returning seeing as he was out on the pitch on Saturday helping with cones/poles etc.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2024 16:39:15 GMT
What's the time frame for Morley returning seeing as he was out on the pitch on Saturday helping with cones/poles etc. He's not injured so I don't see why he's not playing on Sunday. Players don't get unfit in the off season. He didn't pull his hamstring he got married.. ( no jokes at the back of the class ) |
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 30, 2024 22:15:53 GMT
😀😀😀
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Post by greenandgold on Jan 31, 2024 11:09:28 GMT
I do hope the Cliffords are not asked to make the trek to Clones on Sunday , emergency or not. Jack should say: , “ Look most of you are big boys now, it is time you you stopped dining at the children’s table and cease expecting to be bailed out by the the two boys.” |
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Post by greenandgold on Jan 31, 2024 11:13:09 GMT
I do hope the Cliffords are not asked to make the trek to Clones on Sunday , emergency or not. Jack should say: , “ Look most of you are big boys now, it is time you you stopped dining at the children’s table and cease expecting to be bailed out by the the two boys.” Totally agree (and Id love if Jack said it exactly like that 😀) if our only option is bring in the 2 Cliffords then we will win nothing and we are signalling to everyone that all they have to do to beat us is keep the 2 lads quiet. We have to find other scorers and others who are willing and able to be match winners. - I still worry that we are missing enough players who, when the game is in trouble will push over that children’s table |
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Post by chicago09 on Feb 1, 2024 10:02:22 GMT
Hope the same team more or less starts again now that obeaglaioch is out for a while what do ye think ? The number 6 is still the problem so don’t see Morley back so soon but knowing jack he’ll probably start Murphy. I would bring Diarmuid in midfield and maybe start Seán O’Brien in the halfback and make one change in the forwards maybe Conar Geaney or Roche corner forward.
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