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Post by Premier on Sept 23, 2023 20:17:22 GMT
Rathmore 3 Kenmare 3 Kierans 2 FR 0
Will Rathmore and Kenmare fix a draw next weekend to get them both through? It will surely cross their minds. They know if either of them lose they’ll be out
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Post by allrounder on Sept 23, 2023 21:46:57 GMT
Rathmore 3 Kenmare 3 Kierans 2 FR 0 Will Rathmore and Kenmare fix a draw next weekend to get them both through? It will surely cross their minds. They know if either of them lose they’ll be out How will a draw get them both through??? St Kieran's will get to 4 points if they beat feale Rangers.
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Post by Premier on Sept 24, 2023 7:31:12 GMT
Rathmore 3 Kenmare 3 Kierans 2 FR 0 Will Rathmore and Kenmare fix a draw next weekend to get them both through? It will surely cross their minds. They know if either of them lose they’ll be out How will a draw get them both through??? St Kieran's will get to 4 points if they beat feale Rangers. Score difference. But actually from looking at the table now, a 5 point win for Kieran’s means a draw wouldn’t do Kenmare so realistically Kenmare need to win
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Post by allrounder on Sept 24, 2023 8:15:08 GMT
How will a draw get them both through??? St Kieran's will get to 4 points if they beat feale Rangers. Score difference. But actually from looking at the table now, a 5 point win for Kieran’s means a draw wouldn’t do Kenmare so realistically Kenmare need to win Feale Rangers are out so I can't see any listowel lads playing. St Kierans will win by more than 5
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 24, 2023 10:39:36 GMT
Round robin format for County Championship is problematic for me - in championship sport every game should have an edge with the prize for victory being significant and a loss should hurt - draws have no place in championship (maybe ensuring a winner and a loser in itself would help). I understand the arguments for a second chance and for an incentive of more that one game to get teams to put in more effort but I think the extra load of games is largely unnecessary and causes more problems than it solves. The excitement and anticipation of knock out sport is the very essence of championship.
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Post by pillar on Sept 24, 2023 15:55:47 GMT
Round robin format for County Championship is problematic for me - in championship sport every game should have an edge with the prize for victory being significant and a loss should hurt - draws have no place in championship (maybe ensuring a winner and a loser in itself would help). I understand the arguments for a second chance and for an incentive of more that one game to get teams to put in more effort but I think the extra load of games is largely unnecessary and causes more problems than it solves. The excitement and anticipation of knock out sport is the very essence of championship. I would say it's probably introduced to give Divisional teams more games. Imagine it being knockout , one game and you're out. They'd hardly raise a gallop.
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Post by letswineone on Sept 24, 2023 16:02:55 GMT
Mid Kerry done what they had to do today. Young Houlihan out of his depth today for them. Roche outstanding when he came on, Breen great servant.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 24, 2023 17:36:21 GMT
Round robin format for County Championship is problematic for me - in championship sport every game should have an edge with the prize for victory being significant and a loss should hurt - draws have no place in championship (maybe ensuring a winner and a loser in itself would help). I understand the arguments for a second chance and for an incentive of more that one game to get teams to put in more effort but I think the extra load of games is largely unnecessary and causes more problems than it solves. The excitement and anticipation of knock out sport is the very essence of championship. I would say it's probably introduced to give Divisional teams more games. Imagine it being knockout , one game and you're out. They'd hardly raise a gallop. Even with the round robin some divisions don't raise a gallop but they have automatic entry to the competition regardless - Five of the eight divisions look like going out at the round robin stage and after two rounds five are winless. The divisional system has served us well but I firmly believe with the strength of the four graded club championships the divisional team and the senior county championship needs to be re-evaluated.
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Post by mike70 on Sept 24, 2023 17:43:44 GMT
I would say it's probably introduced to give Divisional teams more games. Imagine it being knockout , one game and you're out. They'd hardly raise a gallop. Even with the round robin some divisions don't raise a gallop but they have automatic entry to the competition regardless - Five of the eight divisions look like going out at the round robin stage and after two rounds five are winless. The divisional system has served us well but I firmly believe with the strength of the four graded club championships the divisional team and the senior county championship needs to be re-evaluated. I would be inclined to agree with you, the kerry club championship is one of the best in the country, but much like the inter provincial championships, die hards won’t be letting go of the divisional teams, personally I don’t see the benefit , it only forces kerry to run 2 competitions and prolonging season for some of our best, if a lad from a small club is good enough, he will get seen, via schools etc. imo.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 24, 2023 19:12:49 GMT
Given how the club championships have evolved, a re evaluation of the county championship is needed now.
There are at least two dead rubbers next weekend - St Brendan’s Vs Dr Crokes & West Kerry Vs South Kerry - the county board will probably threaten to expel these sides from next year’s competition if they don’t compete but it’s highly unlikely that any spectators will be present.
The integrity of the competition could easily be compromised if Feale Rangers were to field a weakened side vs St Kierans - with Listowel preparing for a county final it’s hard to see them committing players to this meaningless fixture.
There’s a lot to ponder!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 24, 2023 19:33:54 GMT
Funny how the Brendans did better without stacks, they are becoming a curse
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Post by taggert on Sept 24, 2023 19:50:58 GMT
Funny how the Brendans did better without stacks, they are becoming a curse Reckon St. Brendans could be a handful next year with the addition of Strand Road.....
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Post by mike70 on Sept 24, 2023 20:00:25 GMT
Funny how the Brendans did better without stacks, they are becoming a curse Reckon St. Brendans could be a handful next year with the addition of Strand Road..... I would assume it would be a Tralee board team , be pretty strong stacks kor n mitchels
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 24, 2023 20:18:55 GMT
Funny how the Brendans did better without stacks, they are becoming a curse Reckon St. Brendans could be a handful next year with the addition of Strand Road..... Or Na Gaeil 😜
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 24, 2023 20:25:43 GMT
Funny how the Brendans did better without stacks, they are becoming a curse Reckon St. Brendans could be a handful next year with the addition of Strand Road..... Sure you can’t relegated if you make the county championship final
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 24, 2023 20:27:38 GMT
Reckon St. Brendans could be a handful next year with the addition of Strand Road..... I would assume it would be a Tralee board team , be pretty strong stacks kor n mitchels Highly doubt it as either 2 other divisional sides would have to merge or we’d be stuck with the awkward number of 17 teams. Not like it’s creating a super divisional team anyway with how poor they’ve been.
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Post by homerj on Sept 24, 2023 20:41:24 GMT
A tralee board team the perfect excuse for a NK team merger
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Post by taggert on Sept 24, 2023 20:50:44 GMT
Reckon St. Brendans could be a handful next year with the addition of Strand Road..... Sure you can’t relegated if you make the county championship final So if Na Gaeil make tge final, Strand Road are straight thru the trapdoor......wasn't aware
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Post by mike70 on Sept 24, 2023 20:55:57 GMT
Sure you can’t relegated if you make the county championship final So if Na Gaeil make tge final, Strand Road are straight thru the trapdoor......wasn't aware I think someone else would get dragged in to a playoff , highly unlikely na Gael will progress beyond next round.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 24, 2023 21:02:40 GMT
A tralee board team the perfect excuse for a NK team merger Thought provoking. Although since both the Tralee town board and St Brendans have joined, would that automatically mean they fall I'm line.
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Post by mjsway on Sept 24, 2023 22:33:12 GMT
Get rid Of divisional sides , it isnt even fair how they are anyway, ek have like ten clubs compared to other divisions who only have 4 or 5
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Post by mjsway on Sept 24, 2023 22:36:25 GMT
They should do the millennium cup format for the craic
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 25, 2023 7:08:34 GMT
So if Na Gaeil make tge final, Strand Road are straight thru the trapdoor......wasn't aware I think someone else would get dragged in to a playoff , highly unlikely na Gael will progress beyond next round. There would be no relegation play off if Na Gaeil reached a final! That’s the current rule.
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Post by homerj on Sept 25, 2023 10:11:30 GMT
for all of those not happy with the current structure, what are the proposals? the divional teams will not be gotten rid of so we need logical solutions as opposed to just saying its not fit for purpose.
for me, id start the county championship firs and then clubs later on, as soon as the intercounty season comes to an end and have a divisional league to get games under the belts of them during the spring/summer when theres no county league games on. how teams perform in that, determines how they are seeded.
the biggest problem, is the divisonal teams, have no time to prepare. and alot of the players know this and then dont care.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 25, 2023 10:57:02 GMT
for all of those not happy with the current structure, what are the proposals? the divional teams will not be gotten rid of so we need logical solutions as opposed to just saying its not fit for purpose. for me, id start the county championship firs and then clubs later on, as soon as the intercounty season comes to an end and have a divisional league to get games under the belts of them during the spring/summer when theres no county league games on. how teams perform in that, determines how they are seeded. the biggest problem, is the divisonal teams, have no time to prepare. and alot of the players know this and then dont care. Agreed, I don’t understand why people keep calling for the divisional teams to be scraped as it’s not happening. Loads of suggestions made in the past on reforming them and being honest that is the only show in town
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 25, 2023 11:04:51 GMT
for all of those not happy with the current structure, what are the proposals? the divional teams will not be gotten rid of so we need logical solutions as opposed to just saying its not fit for purpose. for me, id start the county championship firs and then clubs later on, as soon as the intercounty season comes to an end and have a divisional league to get games under the belts of them during the spring/summer when theres no county league games on. how teams perform in that, determines how they are seeded. the biggest problem, is the divisonal teams, have no time to prepare. and alot of the players know this and then dont care. Have an all divisional championship to give a platform for the best players in the county - then have the club championships but with 12 or 16 (to be debated) in the senior grade. The four graded club championships would be the main events as they continue to provincial and National level. The all Divisional competition should be a high standard competition - set some rules on how divisional sides are made up, either limit the number of "senior" clubs in a division or some other format that helps even the sides to generate a high standard competition which helps talent come to the fore for the county side.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 25, 2023 11:06:56 GMT
for all of those not happy with the current structure, what are the proposals? I know personally what I would like, knockout ball, simplistic knockout format. Some will say, ah it takes the divisional sides games to get up to scratch. Well, if the divisional boards have ambitions, then, get their house in order early doors and address. If I had my way, I would simply as follows… Eight divisional teams play each other in a knockout open draw, winners progress, losers out. Eight Club teams play, open draw, winners to quarter final, Club losers get second chance against the four divisional winners… winners progress to quarters.. losers gone. Four rounds and the competition is at the County Final Stage…
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Post by greenandgold on Sept 25, 2023 11:27:31 GMT
I like the idea of a divisional only championship- what if county players (panelists) are excluded so its purpose is to give other players a chance to be seen/get more competitive games (in addition to their club games) - any option to play this off earlier i.e if no county players involved, could this be ran off in Aug - let them get divisions together to train n jun/july so its really focusing on those players . Then combine snr club/co championship and run it with clubs only
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 25, 2023 13:26:19 GMT
for all of those not happy with the current structure, what are the proposals? the divional teams will not be gotten rid of so we need logical solutions as opposed to just saying its not fit for purpose. for me, id start the county championship firs and then clubs later on, as soon as the intercounty season comes to an end and have a divisional league to get games under the belts of them during the spring/summer when theres no county league games on. how teams perform in that, determines how they are seeded. the biggest problem, is the divisonal teams, have no time to prepare. and alot of the players know this and then dont care. Agreed, I don’t understand why people keep calling for the divisional teams to be scraped as it’s not happening. Loads of suggestions made in the past on reforming them and being honest that is the only show in town It's always the case. No one had an issue with East Kerry 10 or so years ago when they were struggling to even feild a team at times but how it's an issue. The same happens when Cork when a divisional or college team wins the championship it's a huge problem all of a sudden. I know Cork doesn't have as strong a divisional team tradition of winning championships but it's similar. If a club team wins the championship this year it'll all be forgotten about again.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 25, 2023 15:35:30 GMT
If Fossa win the intermediate final taking away the 2 Cliffords from East Kerry then they’ll be back in the pack getting rid of the problem of EK being too strong.
Brendans would be better off if Na Gaeil get relegated than Rahillys, Na Gaeil would integrate a lot better.
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