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Post by thehermit on Jul 23, 2023 16:09:17 GMT
As you watch the scenes with Limerick I can't help but think, this time two weeks there's a chance, a chance, Kerry are All Ireland champions and Crotta are county champions.
A pleasant fiction to daydream on a dreary July day 😀
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 23, 2023 16:27:07 GMT
I am not trying to protect the place, I just don't want to leave anyone exposed. On the main thoroughfare, a traditional meeting place for Kerry fans, "I'll meet you outside the ******m" Is there any possibility at all this was an honest mistake? If it was why didn't she rectify it???? What I do know for certain is that (1) she knowingly handed me 2 receipts that did not match and walked away (2) she monitored what I did when I got the receipts (3) when she saw me checking she KNEW there was a discrepancy to be seen so she moved instantly to mitigate the situation. That is all I am going to say on it. Kerry fans be warned.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jul 23, 2023 16:45:44 GMT
View AttachmentSpeaking of being careful, before the game last week I met a friend for a pint in a well known establishment in the city centre where hundreds of Kerry fans meet up before games. Take a look at the bottom line in the till receipt and the credit card receipt. She watched me closely and had a euro coin on the counter for me before I could say anything. Again, this is a traditional meeting spot for Kerry fans.  Pay cash. Easier to check your change straightaway, than your bank statement a month later. A lot of people would have missed that. Dirty move though.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 23, 2023 17:00:55 GMT
Is there any possibility at all this was an honest mistake? If it was why didn't she rectify it? What I do know for certain is that (1) she knowingly handed me 2 receipts that did not match and walked away (2) she monitored what I did when I got the receipts (3) when she saw me checking she KNEW there was a discrepancy to be seen so she moved instantly to mitigate the situation.  That is all I am going to say on it. Kerry fans be warned. Sorry the way I read it they had the euro for you at the same time they offered the card machine.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 23, 2023 17:58:30 GMT
Standing on the platform in Killarney the morning after the Mayo game if you told me we'd make a final I'd have laughed at you.
Our league was average, we didn't win away from home and took a bad beating from Mayo and a sickner against Tyrone.
I saw something different against Louth and since then we look a different team.
I was disappointed with our defensive and midfield performance against Derry and hope the lads will want to improve in those areas.
I do think we came through a physical gut check last Sunday that will stand to the team.
My dream result eould be a comprehensive win like Limerick today but in truth it's a 50/50 game.
I am feeling more relaxed and confident as the days go on as I feel we have 2 things that will stand to us.
We are at our physical peak and we do not panic in tight situations.
Kerry to win by 4 for me.
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Post by eternalhope on Jul 23, 2023 18:06:35 GMT
I wish I shared the confidence of a lot of you, getting more nervous as the days go on!
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 23, 2023 18:16:02 GMT
Lads pipers corner and Briodys on Malbourgh Street are nice spots pre and post match. Great stout. Thanks for that Royal. I will be arriving in the city centre by LUAS, getting of in Abbey St. so I might drop into Briodys for a warm up pint especially if it is good.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 23, 2023 18:25:46 GMT
Yeah Sean O'Caseys (ie now the Pipers) is lovely. Not an All Ireland weekend unless you pop in there at some point for a pint
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Post by dc84 on Jul 23, 2023 19:21:34 GMT
Always like to meet the lads off the train in the oval Abbey Street quiet enough usually and great to stand outside and watch the luas pass full of kerry people
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 23, 2023 19:58:34 GMT
Standing on the platform in Killarney the morning after the Mayo game if you told me we'd make a final I'd have laughed at you. Our league was average, we didn't win away from home and took a bad beating from Mayo and a sickner against Tyrone. I saw something different against Louth and since then we look a different team. I was disappointed with our defensive and midfield performance against Derry and hope the lads will want to improve in those areas. I do think we came through a physical gut check last Sunday that will stand to the team. My dream result eould be a comprehensive win like Limerick today but in truth it's a 50/50 game. I am feeling more relaxed and confident as the days go on as I feel we have 2 things that will stand to us. We are at our physical peak and we do not panic in tight situations. Kerry to win by 4 for me. I agree it's 50:50. I think it'll come down to last 10/15 minutes. Who has legs, composure under pressure, impact from bench etc. I worry that if David Clifford doesn't perform or gets double marked, then we'll struggle to score. I feel like we've had a tougher route to the final, so hopefully that stands to us. What set Dublin apart is their glory years was composure under pressure and impact from bench. Mayo and us would compete until last 10 minutes, then Dublin would pull away. I feel like we can match them on composure now but I think their bench is better. I'm nervous anyway. It's funny how Dessie Farrel talks a lot about transition and introducing new players but really it's still Jim Gavin's team. But it feels like the end of an era for them, as I think win or lose, they'll have a few retirements. I'd like our backs to do a proper nullifying job on Con, Costello and Manion. The way we could rely on Aidan, Tom and Marc to just nullify their opponents. Con has been quiet last few games which worries me also. We only barely beat them last year and they've added Cluxton, McCaffrey, Mannion, Con and Pat Gilroy. So they've added 4 all star players and a wiley old coach.
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Post by taggert on Jul 23, 2023 22:53:09 GMT
Living and working up here, the majority of Dubs fans believe if Clifford's influence can be reduced to a manageable level (there is acceptance that he can't be totally nullified), they will win as outside of David and Seanie, there won't be enough scores from Moynihan, Adrian, Paudie, Paul, Tony and Burns. That's the thesis and general consensus and one Kerry may need to disprove.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 23, 2023 23:16:00 GMT
Morning lads, 1 week out let's hope the weather is a bit better next weekend. I don't want to sound alarmist but living and working in Dublin it's been well published how dangerous parts of the city are. Can I appeal to anyone on hear with young lads or girls travelling up next weekend who may not be familiar with Dublin or haven't been up in a while to speak to them before travelling. Unfortunately it's mainly parts of the North side of the city. Just tell them to stick together and be careful of their surroundings. I went to college in North Dublin in the late 80s-early 90s and unfortunately a few times had to defend myself against young thugs. I’m always wary in Dublin nowadays for that experience, more so on North side than South side 😕
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Post by kerrysouth on Jul 23, 2023 23:19:37 GMT
Jack O Connor is driven to complete back to back titles and tick off the remaining box in his illustrious managerial career .If Con O callaghan and Fenton can be curbed I think we have the forwards and bench to make an impact and David Clifford to bring Sam to Fossa tues night to as Michael Healy Rae would say the mother and father of all welcomes .
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 24, 2023 5:17:09 GMT
Dublin have so many forwards to man mark But I think Paul Mannion is done , his injury unfortunately for him seems like it’s lingering Costello is the in form forward and need to be curbed He’s absolutely in great form but very markable in that he’s not pacy at all like Con McCarthy and Fenton also need to be neutralized as they are a huge threat and are both playing as good as they have ever played in their careers this is the winning of the game for us if we can shut them down at 8 and 9
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 24, 2023 9:24:58 GMT
Dick Clerkin: Look beyond David Clifford and the reality is Kerry have been treading water for most of the year New-found hunger will just be enough to see Dublin and James McCarthy deservedly lift the Sam Maguire.
What you think of that seems unfair but perhaps added motivation for the rest of the squad.
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 24, 2023 9:35:44 GMT
Dick Clerkin: Look beyond David Clifford and the reality is Kerry have been treading water for most of the year New-found hunger will just be enough to see Dublin and James McCarthy deservedly lift the Sam Maguire. What you think of that seems unfair but perhaps added motivation for the rest of the squad. Its funny the narratives that are created to fill the vacuum in the run up to big games. Last year the talk was that Kerry had questions to answer and only got past Dublin because Con O'Callaghan was injured. Are Kerry in a different position entirely now that the questions have been answered? If so, some other chestnut needs to be rolled out, one man team and so on.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 24, 2023 9:36:42 GMT
Its strange the narratives people will invent to try and justify their take:
So we're threading water and a one-man show: I mean Dick obviously wasn't at the Clare, Louth or Tyrone matches where we played a hugely impressive, high octane, multiple scoring threat game plans. David was "quiet" against Tyrone and we demolished them anyway.
The League was all about staying in D1 and negotiating it while being several months behind in training compared to the other counties.
Semi-finals are all about winning and I think Derry showed if they played like that they could beat anyone in Ireland, Dublin included.
Let's hope on Sunday David has another game for the ages while his team-mates prove beyond all doubt they are something more than a supporting cast!
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 24, 2023 9:48:45 GMT
Dick Clerkin: Look beyond David Clifford and the reality is Kerry have been treading water for most of the year New-found hunger will just be enough to see Dublin and James McCarthy deservedly lift the Sam Maguire. What you think of that seems unfair but perhaps added motivation for the rest of the squad. Its funny the narratives that are created to fill the vacuum in the run up to big games. Last year the talk was that Kerry had questions to answer and only got past Dublin because Con O'Callaghan was injured. Are Kerry in a different position entirely now that the questions have been answered? If so, some other chestnut needs to be rolled out, one man team and so on. Its strange the narratives people will invent to try and justify their take: So we're threading water and a one-man show: I mean Dick obviously wasn't at the Clare, Louth or Tyrone matches where we played a hugely impressive, high octane, multiple scoring threat game plans. David was "quiet" against Tyrone and we demolished them anyway. The League was all about staying in D1 and negotiating it while being several months behind in training compared to the other counties. Semi-finals are all about winning and I think Derry showed if they played like that they could beat anyone in Ireland, Dublin included. Let's hope on Sunday David has another game for the ages while his team-mates prove beyond all doubt they are something more than a supporting cast!
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 24, 2023 9:49:21 GMT
Yes indeed !
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 24, 2023 9:51:30 GMT
Dick Clerkin is to be ignored.
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Post by homerj on Jul 24, 2023 10:36:17 GMT
ya its gas how people forget just 2 games ago, we demolished Tyrone and Clifford was way off it.
this Kerry team gets no respect at all. lads jumping on players backs the minute we win a game that Clifford players well in.
An "average one man team" we keep hearing.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 24, 2023 10:45:24 GMT
Dick Clerkin is to be ignored. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 24, 2023 10:49:44 GMT
What has Dick ever said or done in the world of journalism that gives any credibility to that article?
Having said that, could someone put up the article. It would be interesting to see what Dublin players he thinks will excel. Every Kerry player can walk on to the pitch believing that he can win his personal dual.
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Post by Lolly Valance on Jul 24, 2023 11:05:27 GMT
I'm as a myopic Kerry fan as the next fella and initially thought Dick Clerkin was talking the usual rubbish but, having read Dick Clerkin's article he does have a point. Apart from a match against an at best naïve Louth and a over hyped and probably fatigued Tyrone our forwards have been poor this year, apart from David.
Before people jump down my throat take Seanie O'Shea for example. Apart from the 2 above mismatches I mentioned he has played well in the 1st half against Cork and I would say no better than OK against Derry. His biggest issue is the lack of pace and this was exposed a few times when chasing his man back in the Semi. He has drifted in and out of games and seems to be on the periphery. Whether its his positioning or role or just the way the games have gone for him I don't know. You would worry about Dublin putting a runner on him and make him track back the pitch. Came to the fore against Derry both defensively and offensively when needed. Hopefully its a precursor to this final appearance.
I know Paudie has more on his mind than football and it's completely understandable his performances have dipped a bit this year. He is not getting on as much ball and not troubling the scoreboard operator as much. Came up with a few breaks towards the end of the semi.
Adrian Spillane in fairness has done well in a work horse role in the half forward line adding buttress to the midfield a willingness to track the runner. Has popped the odd score too but, was poor in the Semi.
For Dara Moynihan see Adrian Spillane minus they physicality. I think he is a weak link in the half forward line. Lacks stature and doesn't really score at all.
Stephen O'Brien is our wild card. His performance against Derry and in last years all Ireland showed what his game is all about. Physicality, graft, pace and kicking a score. Looks to be coming to the boil and big decision whether to start him.
Paul Geaney isn't shooting the lights out or sometimes even a singular light out. He has been active in setting up scores and making selfless runs to create space for others. But, his scoring return has been very poor. I think only for the paucity of options on the bench he would be worried about his place.
No words are needed for David Clifford.
On our forward options on the bench I was really hoping Tony would kick on this year but, think that has hasn't to be honest. His habit of taking too much out of the ball has been on show in all our games. For the DOC goal against Tyrone he actually took too much out of the ball and spilled it. Against Derry he took to much out of the ball for the SOB and lost it only that Kerry got it back. Also had a woeful attempt straight into the Keepers had from about 20 yards out as well in the dying minutes. His tackling is still on the lazy side. SOB had stood up a Derry defender form a kick out on the 21 and Tony came in with a lazy over the shoulder tackle that gave Derry an easy out.
Michael Burns is used to inject a bit of pace towards the end of the game. Apart from that we don't have anything else of forward options on the bench apart from a returning Killian Spillane. Killian as we know can be a game changer and hopefully he will be fit!.
Reading it there as I have written it, it looks like a very pessimistic evaluation of our forwards. However, each of these players if playing to their level can have big impact on the game. Geaney had a stormer I think against Dublin, in the 19 replay. Seanie had one in the 19 final. And Paudie was very good last year against the Dubs. The job for Jack and co is to put together a game plan and tactics to get the best out of them.
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Post by Lolly Valance on Jul 24, 2023 11:11:37 GMT
What has Dick ever said or done in the world of journalism that gives any credibility to that article? Having said that, could someone put up the article. It would be interesting to see what Dublin players he thinks will excel. Every Kerry player can walk on to the pitch believing that he can win his personal dual. New-found hunger will just be enough to see Dublin and James McCarthy deservedly lift the Sam MaguireDick Clerkin: Look beyond David Clifford and the reality is Kerry have been treading water for most of the year Rory McIlroy and David Clifford. Genuine Irish sporting superstars who captivate their audiences like no one else at present. That one of them is a multi-millionaire global powerhouse and the other is a humble schoolteacher is irrelevant. Their impact is the same. Since the day I sat behind the first tee in Portrush and watched McIlroy’s opening quadruple bogey, I have been hooked on the Holywood man. Similarly, I will go out of my way to watch any game that Clifford is playing in. Not Kerry, just Clifford. These days, watching Kerry without Clifford on song is akin to ordering a 99 only to be told there are no flakes left. You feel cheated. Thankfully for Kerry, those days are a rarity. At the weekend’s Open in Hoylake I got to experience the McIlroy effect. The intensity of the crowd and noise that followed him around the Liverpool venue had to be experienced to be believed. The galleries were giddy with excitement, all hoping to see a repeat of his genius in the Scottish Open a week previous. Like many, I was star-struck in his presence. How anyone can play golf under such consistent scrutiny is beyond me. Similarly, supporters of Gaelic games from all corners will tune in to Croke Park on Sunday, brimming with expectation, hoping to see a Clifford show. On the basis of what we have seen to date, Kerry are going to need it. Clifford alone is why so many are willing Kerry to win this weekend. Not for any love of Jack O’Connor, or his team. God knows Kerry have won enough. No, we want to see the greatest exponent of our game further deified as an all-time great, win more All-Irelands and All-Stars. He could rank up there with the likes of Seán Purcell, Mikey Sheehy and Peter Canavan. We want to witness history in the making. In the same way we continue to want McIlroy to follow in Tigers Woods’ footsteps and become one of the all-time golfing greats – win more Majors and set more records. We want our greats to be great. Kerry will need Clifford to be at his very best on Sunday to beat a salivating Dubs A concern for O’Connor, outside of Kerry’s number 14, is that few of the other Kerry forwards are operating consistently enough to be sure they will ‘turn up’ on Sunday. It is being said that Kerry have timed their run to perfection and knew that they didn’t need to be firing on all cylinders until now. Nonsense. Only Mayo did them a big favour in the qualifiers, Kerry would have had to play in what now looks like the perilous preliminary quarter-finals, from which Monaghan were the only county to progress to the semi-finals. Kerry didn’t plan to get a hiding from Mayo in Killarney. They also didn’t plan to labour, twice, against what is ultimately a very average Cork side. Look beyond the Fossa facade and the harsh reality is that Kerry have been treading water for more of the year than not. Yes, they showed immense character to pull the game from the jaws of defeat against Derry, but Dublin won’t tire the way Derry ultimately did in the semi-final. Granted, Kerry were on a hiding to nothing in the semi-final, but their patchy form in that game was more consistent with what it has been all year, rather than a blip. Dublin, however, have been on a steady upward trend, thanks to some timely diplomacy from Dessie Farrell As has been proven over the past few seasons, Dublin’s new guard hasn’t been able to step up to the level of their predecessors. No shame, as this was a high bar to reach. Farrell realised this before it was too late, and more of the golden generation had exited stage left. His success in getting Stephen Cluxton, Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion back onside is the reason they are in Sunday’s final. As much as their individual contributions, these players make those around them better players. Content in the dressing room, composed on the field, ruthless in performance. Dublin are back close to their best. Had Farrell not been such a diplomat, Monaghan could very well be in Sunday’s final and not Dublin. Clifford will continue to dominate the landscape for the next decade. Whether he will win as many All-Irelands as James McCarthy is debatable. McCarthy is hell-bent on writing his own piece of history this Sunday, with an incredible ninth outfield All-Ireland medal. It will take every bit of Clifford’s genius to prevent him. It will go down as one of the greatest individual achievements in football history if he does. A Dublin win will mark McCarthy’s greatest Celtic Cross of all his nine. One in which they have been in the position as the underdog –when the road paving in front of them was cobbled, not gold. History beckons whatever the result. Clifford will go on to dominate the game for the next decade regardless. In the same way McCarthy’s Dublin have dominated the last. Clifford has their crown and they want it back. Dublin’s new-found hunger will be enough to see McCarthy deservedly lift Sam
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Post by Hicser on Jul 24, 2023 11:15:36 GMT
Total utter rubbish from the Dick Clerkin, I looked for football articles this morning and this was the only one, very disappointing, We have had 2 great semi finals and expect to have an even greater final and you get this garbage,
The cliché 'Lazy Journalism' comes to mind
I wouldn't put up the article, it would contaminate the forum,
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 24, 2023 11:28:21 GMT
Thanks for that Lolly.
Exactly as I thought. I posed the question "which Dublin players will excel?".
No reference to a Dublin player playing well. No football reasons for his decision. Just a big clap in the back for Dessie.
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Post by thepope on Jul 24, 2023 11:57:53 GMT
This is as even a final pairing as we've seen in recent years. It could go either way and it's all down to who gets the most players playing to their optimum on the day.
Dublin's FB line and Kerry's midfield need to step up.
Dublin have been giving up goal opportunities and, equally, Kerry need to put a solid 70-min performance together. We drifted out of the Derry game at times and went 11 minutes without scoring in the crucial 3rd quarter of that semi.
Obviously we need a defensive display similar to the Tyrone game and kicking similar to the Louth/Tyrone game to win.
Dublin will try to move Morley so I hope we go with 4 across the HF line, allowing the spare player to drop into that defensive pocket. I'd still start Adrian and bring Stephen O'Brien in to finish the game.
Leave Seanie inside near the goal for longer stretches as that's where he will do most damage, his height and ability to score could force Dublin to drop a defender in front of him.
We'll need the likes of Adrian, Paudie, Tom, Gavin etc to kick a point or 2 and take the burden off Clifford and Seanie for scores.
I would probably start Brian Ó BeaglaoÃch and I think Dublin will start Kilkenny, Scully etc. 1 from Basquel or Mannion to start as they need workers in the middle third.
We also need to press Cluxton kickout when we can as Monaghan rattled him in the semi.
We have gotten some breaks in our last few big championship outings with a free to beat Dublin, a decision or 2 late vs Galway even though we should have put them away after 55 mins in 2022 final and a soft free or 2 near the end vs. Derry. It's time for this group to grab the end of a game by the scruff of the neck and remove any doubt.
All on the day.
Safe travel to all attending. Ciarraà Abú.
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Post by homerj on Jul 24, 2023 12:00:18 GMT
lads ye shouldnt be allowing yourselves to get wound up by the likes of Dick Clerkin.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 24, 2023 12:00:58 GMT
This is as even a final pairing as we've seen in recent years. It could go either way and it's all down to who gets the most players playing to their optimum on the day. Dublin's FB line and Kerry's midfield need to step up. Dublin have been giving up goal opportunities and, equally, Kerry need to put a solid 70-min performance together. We drifted out of the Derry game at times and went 11 minutes without scoring in the crucial 3rd quarter of that semi. Obviously we need a defensive display similar to the Tyrone game and kicking similar to the Louth/Tyrone game to win. Dublin will try to move Morley so I hope we go with 4 across the HF line, allowing the spare player to drop into that defensive pocket. I'd still start Adrian and bring Stephen O'Brien in to finish the game. Leave Seanie inside near the goal for longer stretches as that's where he will do most damage, his height and ability to score could force Dublin to drop a defender in front of him. We'll need the likes of Adrian, Paudie, Tom, Gavin etc to kick a point or 2 and take the burden off Clifford and Seanie for scores. I would probably start Brian Ó BeaglaoÃch and I think Dublin will start Kilkenny, Scully etc. 1 from Basquel or Mannion to start as they need workers in the middle third. We also need to press Cluxton kickout when we can as Monaghan rattled him in the semi. We have gotten some breaks in our last few big championship outings with a free to beat Dublin, a decision or 2 late vs Galway even though we should have put them away after 55 mins in 2022 final and a soft free or 2 near the end vs. Derry. It's time for this group to grab the end of a game by the scruff of the neck and remove any doubt. All on the day. Safe travel to all attending. Ciarraà Abú. I would have said Kerry DID grab the Galway and Derry matches by the scruff of the neck... especially the Galway game.
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