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Post by ciarrai4sam on Jul 16, 2023 17:49:20 GMT
Tough outing today, last 10 mins our fitness and bench told alot, onto the big one now. Enjoy the next 2 weeks All. 🟩🟨
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Post by ciarrai4sam on Jul 16, 2023 17:55:03 GMT
Can this thread be deleted, I see another created
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Post by mike70 on Jul 16, 2023 18:07:57 GMT
Looks like too late
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Post by thehermit on Jul 17, 2023 9:56:08 GMT
Lesson's from yesterday that are vital to learn for the final:
1) We have to keep the pressure on the scoreboard, think we went the guts of 15-17 mins in second half yesterday without registering a score.
2) The other forwards need to seriously step up in the scoring stakes as they took a bit too much of a step back yesterday compared to previous two outings. David is (I've ran out of euphemisms) but even this extra-terrestrial (found one) can't drag us over the line against the likes of Dublin all by himself.
3) We need to be absolutely clinical and accurate, too many poor wides, too many missed passes that starved us of oxygen and gave vital momentum back to Derry. Example: Tony Brosnan's tame effort into the hands of Lynch with second left - WHAT WAS HE THINKING- it allowed Derry one last counter with only a goal between us. Dublin will be able to get that goal!
4) The bench has to make an impact therefore SOB does not start. Hoping Killian can force himself into bench as well and that they work really hard on Tony to get him prepared mentally for the game of his life.
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Post by homerj on Jul 17, 2023 10:03:53 GMT
Dubs are full of confidence anyway for this one.
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Post by southward on Jul 17, 2023 10:19:14 GMT
Dubs are full of confidence anyway for this one. So they should be. Dead certs.  |
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Post by greengreengrass on Jul 17, 2023 10:56:29 GMT
Our other forwards seem to tend to struggle when teams go man to man with us at the back, it often happens that when teams focus on DC it gives the other forwards the freedom to cut loose.
Alternatively DC can go out and win the game on his own when left man on man.
Not the worst issue to have but one fears the day that DC gets injured or even struggles in front of goal for whatever reason
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 17, 2023 10:58:15 GMT
Division 2 is regularly producing finalists these days!
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Post by thehermit on Jul 17, 2023 12:51:40 GMT
The excitement of thinking about winning this one. The fear of dreading if we lose it. I don't know what it is but after yesterday I just have this total belief now we will win no matter what Sunday week. Can't explain it just feel it in my bones. Will happily drag this back up the night of the final if I'm right. If not, then a quiet email to the mods will have it deleted before anyone knows |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 17, 2023 12:55:24 GMT
I am zen about the final. May the best team win.
It was 2019 that kind of broke my heart.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 17, 2023 13:14:15 GMT
Lesson's from yesterday that are vital to learn for the final: 1) We have to keep the pressure on the scoreboard, think we went the guts of 15-17 mins in second half yesterday without registering a score. 2) The other forwards need to seriously step up in the scoring stakes as they took a bit too much of a step back yesterday compared to previous two outings. David is (I've ran out of euphemisms) but even this extra-terrestrial (found one) can't drag us over the line against the likes of Dublin all by himself. 3) We need to be absolutely clinical and accurate, too many poor wides, too many missed passes that starved us of oxygen and gave vital momentum back to Derry. Example: Tony Brosnan's tame effort into the hands of Lynch with second left - WHAT WAS HE THINKING- it allowed Derry one last counter with only a goal between us. Dublin will be able to get that goal! 4) The bench has to make an impact therefore SOB does not start. Hoping Killian can force himself into bench as well and that they work really hard on Tony to get him prepared mentally for the game of his life. The key is our Plan A and how we respond to the opposing tactics, and I just think we will win on the side line here. That the boys dug it out on the field yesterday at the death means we will keep the chins up if things get tight and all in all I think our unit at both sides of the white line will get the job done. I don't recall Jack, or indeed any manager ever, being in such a dilemma yet he kept his composure and so we prevailed. Closed doors training means we are short on info as regards team selection, etc and in a way that might be our saving grace, what with all the bulls people go on with even about things that happened before our eyes. I often wonder what jersey some of us wear, and that is not to say we shouldn't question things - still I think we need to take a step back here and realise that this is the most important few days in the year and we really need to get behind our boys as they need all the support and positivity we can offer. It does seep through and games these days are typically decided on the narrowest of margins. Up The Kingdom! |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 17, 2023 13:15:55 GMT
I am zen about the final. May the best team win. It was 2019 that kind of broke my heart. A man with more sense than I'll ever have... |
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Post by homerj on Jul 17, 2023 13:25:18 GMT
It was 2019 that kind of broke my heart. that and the double whammy during covid, made last year one of the sweetest of them all. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 17, 2023 14:47:49 GMT
Exciting times ahead with the Dubs being back where they want to be & as Jack said, McCaffrey, Mannion, Cluxton, Gilroy haven’t come back for the craic.
Serious game ahead & I think a horses for courses approach could work the oracle for us.
Monaghan were the weaker of the remaining two we could have played & Dublin struggled for long periods against them - Dublins bench vs Monaghans was stronger but not by an awful lot.
I think that looking at yesterday we will need changes from our starting XV with Briain, Stephen & possibly Killian in contention.
We cannot start with same half forward line though as we did yesterday- Dublin with a line of McCarthy /Howard/Small/Gannon would devour us - equally Dublin could struggle with their half forward line as Mannion/Small/Costello/Scully wouldn’t cut the mustard vs our 5,6 & 7.
Dublin will have to play a sweeper in an effort to curtail DC & that could very well be McCarthy - think their full back line could be vulnerable too esp in the air.
It’s a fascinating game to look forward to & the build up & craic should be something else.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 17, 2023 15:20:48 GMT
1 would expect the same starting 15, if any change, maybe Brian B. For Paul Murphy, you need an impact off the bench, Dara and Adrian don’t give you what SOB does, Sudden Impact.
So for me it’s leave well enough alone, till the time is right.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 17, 2023 15:45:07 GMT
Can't recall the year but Eamonn Fitz had a Kerry sub designated to come on when Dublin introduced McMenamen.
I think Kerry need to plan for that again.
McCaffery is the real danger so maybe hold Brian O’Beagleoich in reserve to mark him.
Kilkenny likewise - he isint the quickest so maybe Mike Breen.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 17, 2023 16:04:45 GMT
If Kerry are putting backs on Dublin backs we may as well not travel up.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 17, 2023 16:12:59 GMT
Can't recall the year but Eamonn Fitz had a Kerry sub designated to come on when Dublin introduced McMenamen. I think Kerry need to plan for that again. McCaffery is the real danger so maybe hold Brian O’Beagleoich in reserve to mark him. Kilkenny likewise - he isint the quickest so maybe Mike Breen. Think that was Jack in 2011 - Shane Enright was the designated sub but on the day didn’t happen & introduced Daniel Bohane instead - or so the story goes! |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 17, 2023 16:14:58 GMT
If Kerry are putting backs on Dublin backs we may as well not travel up. I appreciate that and I know Gavin White was tried in 19 and it didn't work then. McCaffery is more of an attacker than orthodox back. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 17, 2023 16:15:39 GMT
Can't recall the year but Eamonn Fitz had a Kerry sub designated to come on when Dublin introduced McMenamen. I think Kerry need to plan for that again. McCaffery is the real danger so maybe hold Brian O’Beagleoich in reserve to mark him. Kilkenny likewise - he isint the quickest so maybe Mike Breen. Think that was Jack in 2011 - Shane Enright was the designated sub but on the day didn’t happen & introduced Daniel Bohane instead - or so the story goes! No, was Sherwood... in 2013. |
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Post by thechosenone on Jul 17, 2023 16:15:50 GMT
If Kerry are putting backs on Dublin backs we may as well not travel up. Agree with this. I think Gavin White was out on McCaffrey a few years back and it didn't work at all. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 17, 2023 16:37:02 GMT
Can't recall the year but Eamonn Fitz had a Kerry sub designated to come on when Dublin introduced McMenamen. I think Kerry need to plan for that again. McCaffery is the real danger so maybe hold Brian O’Beagleoich in reserve to mark him. Kilkenny likewise - he isint the quickest so maybe Mike Breen. I don’t think I’d be that afraid of McCaffrey. Maybe work it that we bring Stephen O’Brien on at the same time and have O’Brien track him. Surely Kilkenny will start, it’s a positive for us if he doesn’t. I would put Graham on him, Graham has totally nullified Mattie Donnelly and Ethan Doherty in his last 2 outings. |
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Post by keane on Jul 17, 2023 20:38:45 GMT
McCaffrey looks nowhere near 2019 levels to me.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 17, 2023 20:49:02 GMT
McCaffrey looks nowhere near 2019 levels to me. Hes played very little football but you know he'll show up in 2 weeks. |
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Post by whiteheat on Jul 17, 2023 21:04:07 GMT
Are kerry a better team than 2019? I certainly think so. Dublin are a good bit off that. Very confident things will work out
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 17, 2023 21:05:10 GMT
McCaffrey looks nowhere near 2019 levels to me. I agree & neither does Mannion nor indeed Cluxton based on Saturday’s display; think that Dublin maybe did not show their hand on Sat & were always confident of winning - not sure how they would have handled the Derry team we saw yesterday though. One thing I thought about the Dubs on Sat was that their forward line looked unbalanced- Mannion, Small, O’Callaghan & Basquel are all inside forwards & not as effective if played in the half forward line; Scully looks past it but still seems to be in favour. Midfield, as always, will be key - Fenton plus Howard/McCarthy formidable but Jack has always played well on Fenton though not sure he will track him all day as could be counterproductive; Diarmuid will have a huge role to play & could be a trump card - his pace & accuracy will cause problems. Anyway, there are plenty of imponderables & permutations & the unexpected is often the outcome. |
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Post by decondd2 on Jul 17, 2023 21:13:27 GMT
Are kerry a better team than 2019? I certainly think so. Dublin are a good bit off that. Very confident things will work out And yet Dublin are miles better than last year and we are not at the levels we hit last year at all. We were a miracle free from Seánie away from Extra Time last year. Jack needs to be much wiser than Sunday if we are to beat the Dubs. |
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Post by whiteheat on Jul 17, 2023 21:18:19 GMT
Are kerry a better team than 2019? I certainly think so. Dublin are a good bit off that. Very confident things will work out And yet Dublin are miles better than last year and we are not at the levels we hit last year at all. We were a miracle free from Seánie away from Extra Time last year. Jack needs to be much wiser than Sunday if we are to beat the Dubs. Think last year's game was the teams first real dog fight we won. I think this team is gaining more "know how" with every challenge. |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 17, 2023 21:57:00 GMT
The other thing about our last encounter IMO, is that the final scoreline did not reflect the disparity between both teams. 8 times out of 10 that game would be a Kerry win by 5-6+ points. We should have been 8 up at half time like.
Dublin might have the old gang back now but being Champions has made us far more experienced, mature, unflustered and self confident. That's worth a few scores I reckon. We really know how to win a game that's in the fire now too and that stared with last year's semi.
As I posted earlier I'm pretty confident that if Kerry come playing to their potential SAM is sticking around.
Whatever happens though I hope the result is decided on the day. Replay pencilled in for Saturday 12 Aug and it will be either cancel the holidays or watch it in an Irish pub in Bratislava. Neither option appeals.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jul 17, 2023 22:06:08 GMT
The other thing about our last encounter IMO, is that the final scoreline did not reflect the disparity between both teams. 8 times out of 10 that game would be a Kerry win by 5-6+ points. We should have been 8 up at half time like. Completely agree. If we had scored the penalty we would have been 7 up and would have pulled away. Even Costello’s goal, first of all it came from a very poor turnover from a tired David Moran and second of all it was an unbelievable finish from Costello but he probably scores that in 1 out of 5 attempts. Dublin were very lucky to still be in the game coming down the stretch. Also anyone who says “but Dublin were missing Con”, I don’t consider it a factor. He isn’t the same player as 2019, in both the quarter finals and semi finals he’s been anonymous. I’ve complete faith in Foley to completely negate him. |
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