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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 19, 2023 16:36:53 GMT
Killian is fit but lacking match sharpness having only had 3/4 sessions under his belt prior to last Sun - think he is a cert to play a part in the final. I think he's a better option than Tony Brosnan. We badly need a top class forward to come through. Yea, put simply, a forward off the bench that will trouble the scoreboard. Then I was thinking would Donal Down be an option as a surprise element. But Jack doesn't pull rabbits from the hat he's not a dummy team or surprise man.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2023 17:03:20 GMT
Dublin will double mark Clifford I think as if you stop him, you stop Kerry. It's up to the other players to take advantage of this. Shane Ryan coming out the field will give us an extra men then. This game will be won and lost in the final 1/4. Then it comes down to legs, stamina, impact from bench and decision making under pressure. I feel we've more pace and stamina than Dublin and our decision making is very good. Dublin have a lot of players over 30, so this might be their last chance. I imagine if they lose, there'll be a few retirements. Cluxton, Fitzsimmons, McCarthy, Rock, McCaffrey, Mannion. It might come down to bench impact. Stephen O'Brien was excellent the last day. Tony Brosnan needs to step up to this level. BJK used to get us a few points from the bench. Begley is very experienced now and if he doesn't start, he's a great option off the bench. Burns very experienced also despite never really starting games. Killian Spillane is an interesting option but not sure how fit he is. Does anyone have any info on Killian Spillane? Has he been training normally for a few weeks now? I don't see Dublin double marking Clifford it's not their style. By doing so it frees up Morely as our sweeper and they'll want him marking someone.
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Post by tpo on Jul 19, 2023 17:24:52 GMT
In the team photo last Sunday who was the player between Killian and Dylan Casey ?
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Post by decondd2 on Jul 19, 2023 17:37:31 GMT
In the team photo last Sunday who was the player between Killian and Dylan Casey ? Ronan Buckley
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Post by afriendofrathmoregaa on Jul 19, 2023 18:25:07 GMT
Jesus paul murphy one of our best performers in the league this year fresh off a fantastic year with his club and cut celebrations short to return to inter county training. It only seems like yesterday he won motm in the final in his first year. I feel another big day coming for the village man and to the crowd saying he be lucky to start the final come to templenoe and we will step out for belts
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 19, 2023 18:39:43 GMT
I don't see Dublin double marking Clifford it's not their style. By doing so it frees up Morely as our sweeper and they'll want him marking someone. Yeah it's hard to know RK. Like ourselves Dublin will be thinking "let them worry bout is". It's the self confidence in both counties. However like ourselves they will go by the ole Kerry manta of "hammer the hammer". Clifford will occupy their thoughts as will Shane Ryan Gavin White etc while we will have plans for Fenton Mccarthy Cluxton and Con. Its hard to know what way teams will approach on the day. Everyone expecting Barry on Fenton but did nt Diarmuid might be the man. We def need a tracker for Mccarthy and Fenton. If I was Dessie Farrell looking at Derry/Kerry I would say, put a man in front of Clifford & Derry win that game - 4, 5 & 6 had stormers but how would the result have gone if they stayed at home & protected McKaigue? Much to 🤔
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2023 18:45:57 GMT
Yeah it's hard to know RK. Like ourselves Dublin will be thinking "let them worry bout is". It's the self confidence in both counties. However like ourselves they will go by the ole Kerry manta of "hammer the hammer". Clifford will occupy their thoughts as will Shane Ryan Gavin White etc while we will have plans for Fenton Mccarthy Cluxton and Con. Its hard to know what way teams will approach on the day. Everyone expecting Barry on Fenton but did nt Diarmuid might be the man. We def need a tracker for Mccarthy and Fenton. If I was Dessie Farrell looking at Derry/Kerry I would say, put a man in front of Clifford & Derry win that game - 4, 5 & 6 had stormers but how would the result have gone if they stayed at home & protected McKaigue? Much to 🤔 Possibly but Kerry would surely have mirrored that and cancelled each other out.
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Post by seaniebo on Jul 19, 2023 18:56:45 GMT
Some interesting thoughts floating here on the first 15.
It's a pity Killian didn't get some few minutes under his belt against Derry. As far as I recall he hasn't kicked a ball since his substitute appearance in the Munster final early May. I'm open to correction there.
I suspect like many of you that this game will be decided by who has the biggest impact off the bench. So to that end how sharp and effective would Killian be if he does feature for the closing stages. I agree with other posters here that Tony Brosnan doesn't quite have the same impact as Spillane has shown. This is especially the case if the game is tight and space is at a premium.
I'd definitely be looking at holding Stephen O' Brien in reserve. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Adrian Spillane has had a fantastic campaign so far so I'd be inclined to give him the nod and hopefully O'Brien enters with the same gusto as he did against Derry.
I would expect the same starting 15 in the semi to line out in the final.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jul 19, 2023 18:58:21 GMT
Assuming Killian Spillane comes back to the bench for the final, who would be most likely to make way? Sean O’Brien seeing as he hasn’t gotten a minute of game time this year and Barry Dan is already on the bench as midfield cover.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2023 19:38:24 GMT
Foe me the same team starts with the only possible change being OBeaghlaoich for Murphy for 2 reasons.
1 Dublin have a very aggressive press and OBeaghlaoich was so brave last year winning short kickouts, Showing when the pressure was really on in the 2nd half.
2 Murphy would be a calming influence with maturity coming in to the game again like last year with his pass to Clifford to win the free.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2023 19:40:52 GMT
A Spillane 100% starts,
We need aggression, We need a 3rd midfielder And we need strength in that HF line.
Stephen would be better running at a tired FB line than a fresh one.
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Post by westgaa on Jul 19, 2023 20:39:52 GMT
If Killian Spillane is fit do we need 7 forwards on the bench?
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Post by taggert on Jul 19, 2023 20:41:15 GMT
And we need Paul Geaney to chip in with scores or assists. If Cliffords influence is minimised from his Derry and/or Galway tour de force, by fair or foul means, Geaney needs to do more. I think Killian's place on the bench is probably guaranteed now given the subdued performance by Geaney and the immature display by Brosnan on Sunday. Neither inspired confidence.
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Post by exiled on Jul 19, 2023 21:14:07 GMT
For all the talk of Brosnan being non effective it's short memories as he was involved in 2 goals v Tyrone.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2023 21:18:50 GMT
A Spillane 100% starts, We need aggression, We need a 3rd midfielder And we need strength in that HF line. Stephen would be better running at a tired FB line than a fresh one. Why not both Adrian and Stephen. Why does it have to be one or the other. No reason why both could nt start. There are only 3 certain starters in the forwards. 3 slots up for grabs. Purely because we need influence off the bench. Fresh legs that can take on his man and take a score. I don't see that impact from Dara and he could do a job at the start when it's frantic.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 19, 2023 21:31:16 GMT
Assuming Killian Spillane comes back to the bench for the final, who would be most likely to make way? Sean O’Brien seeing as he hasn’t gotten a minute of game time this year and Barry Dan is already on the bench as midfield cover. Not necessarily. I would’ve thought Donal Down as you don’t need 3 inside forwards on the bench.
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Post by southward on Jul 19, 2023 22:07:41 GMT
For all the talk of Brosnan being non effective it's short memories as he was involved in 2 goals v Tyrone. There's always a player who it seems fashionable to criticise no matter what. A few years ago it was JBK, currently it's Brosnan. For me, yes you can highlight a mistake or two but maybe that's because he doesn't hide, he gets involved and has a go. If things don't work, they don't work but taking the safe option rarely wins games anyway.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 19, 2023 22:17:41 GMT
For all the talk of Brosnan being non effective it's short memories as he was involved in 2 goals v Tyrone. I agree, you learn from mistakes, Brosnan will be all the better for it, Jack will make sure of that😀
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 19, 2023 22:28:36 GMT
For all the talk of Brosnan being non effective it's short memories as he was involved in 2 goals v Tyrone. I agree, you learn from mistakes, Brosnan will be all the better for it, Jack will make sure of that😀 Brosnan has a lot to bring to any game, his goal last year against Mayo in Tralee was fantastic.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 19, 2023 22:45:55 GMT
A Spillane 100% starts, We need aggression, We need a 3rd midfielder And we need strength in that HF line. Stephen would be better running at a tired FB line than a fresh one. Why not both Adrian and Stephen. Why does it have to be one or the other. No reason why both could nt start. There are only 3 certain starters in the forwards. 3 slots up for grabs. The Dublin have a strong bench and we need options to match it. The game will be won or lost in fin 1/4 I think. Tony Brosnan might win us the game, who knows. But he could've done better V Derry. Those are the vital moments that win you AIs. One of the reasons for Dublin's success was good subs making good decisions and an impact on games. They had lots of tight games but win them.
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Post by whiteheat on Jul 19, 2023 23:44:41 GMT
Let’s start the match up debate….. Looking ahead to Sunday week, there are only two questions, in reality, regarding our starting XV. Does Jack and Co, stick with Spillane, or go with Stephen O’Brien and does Brión O’Beagleoich start to utilise his pace and physique as a kickout target and launchpad. Looking at the starting Dublin half back line last weekend, it was Murchan, Howard and Small. Murchan, I envisage would be their man to mark Moynihan, I suspect Howard will revert to midfield with McCarthy falling to six to mark Seanie, this should suit us. That leaves Johnny Small at number 7. As Dublin will have Fenton, Howard, McCarthy and Scally around the middle, we need a physical presence, for that reason, I can see Adrain starting. It’s also possible that Small may line up on Seanie leaving McCarthy as a launch pad if Adrain goes deep, again, Adrain physical presence will be needed for the first 40 minutes or so, so for me he retains his place. It’s worth noticing too, of Monaghan’s 0-13 last week, six points came from play, three more were 45’s and one was a mark… that’s only a measly three points from frees. Dublin are not fouling in or around the D, considering they will be facing Seanie and DC, for them keeping this high disciplinary line is imperative. Our defensive shape, the positioning of Tadgh and the covering of our midfielders and wing men is crucial. My only fear is we have no viable option off the bench to cover the two Na Gaeil men. Jack has already consistently set out his stall in O’Brien and Burns as the men to come in, it’s unlikely at this juncture that Killian will be pushing, at best within the named 26 match day, but would he be able or match fit if required? Back to our back six, I can see Brión starting, no reflection on Murphy , I just think it’s a horses for courses situation. Both sides will be holding key players in reserve, with a plan to neutralise effectiveness. Last day out Dublin started Niall Scully, Paul Mannion and Paddy Small outside, with Cormac Costello, Con O’Callaghan and Colm Basquel inside. Similar to us, the big question is, will Kilkenny start or not, personally, I think he will with either Small or Scully falling out. Inside Dublin are dangerous, Foley for me takes O’Callaghan with Tom Sullivan taking Costello, Costello is more of a scoring threat at present and I’m sure Tom will be hell bent on making up for the failings of twelve months. Basqual comes slightly deeper to the 40 area which would suit Graham. Paul Mannion for me is tailor made for O’Beagleoich, Small goes deeper permitting Tadgh sit and either Scully or Kilkenny will be tasked with White. As match ups go, up top, I cannot see either Gannon, Byrnes or Fitzsimons holding DC, Fitzsimons is probably the most physical and sticky of the inside three, but even allowing for that is he there only viable option? Off either bench we have nullifiers, MacCaffery vs O’Brien, Kilkenny or Scully vs Murphy etc… it will be interesting, but they may cancel each other out. Funnily enough, I see Cluxton as a possible weakness, every county have adopted and evolved to a set up where the keeper is an additional defender and outlet. Cluxton is A1 off the tee, but he isn’t as accurate when pushed up on and has the ball in the paw, in addition he won’t venture very far from the 21-yard line. Yes, he commands his square but even last week, he fumbled one right at the post, two other kicks found touch… might sound mad, but, if I was Jack, I’d go for Cluxton in general play, Excellent post
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Post by john4 on Jul 20, 2023 0:07:27 GMT
Anyone else spot Mannion seemed to pull up with hamstring trouble towards the end of the Monaghan match. He was subbed fairly straight away. Probably be good in 2 weeks but I'd be for putting Tom O'Sullivan on him. That'll test his hammer.
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Post by piskin on Jul 20, 2023 0:12:32 GMT
Jesus paul murphy one of our best performers in the league this year fresh off a fantastic year with his club and cut celebrations short to return to inter county training. It only seems like yesterday he won motm in the final in his first year. I feel another big day coming for the village man and to the crowd saying he be lucky to start the final come to templenoe and we will step out for belts 9 years ago... he has a good footballing brain but lacks pace & much needed strength. Tyrone in 2021 targeted him as did Dublin and Derry did last sunday. Bring him on towards the end when we are hopefully up. B o B a way better option against Dublin,
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 20, 2023 3:31:24 GMT
Jesus paul murphy one of our best performers in the league this year fresh off a fantastic year with his club and cut celebrations short to return to inter county training. It only seems like yesterday he won motm in the final in his first year. I feel another big day coming for the village man and to the crowd saying he be lucky to start the final come to templenoe and we will step out for belts  9 years ago... he has a good footballing brain but lacks pace & much needed strength. Tyrone in 2021 targeted him as did Dublin and Derry did last sunday. Bring him on towards the end when we are hopefully up. B o B a way better option against Dublin, PM is named wing back but plays last man back when in possession often as he carries the ball off of defence. I like him a lot but maybe lacks pace and power. He hit two passes astray against Derry which is unlike him. I couldn't decide between him and Begley. Begleys better physically but PMs a cleverer player. Begley overuns the ball.
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Post by kerryfan2022 on Jul 20, 2023 6:07:56 GMT
I popped in to reservoir dubs and left pretty quick again. They’re a nasty bunch the majority of them. One wonders who is the control there. Keyboard warriors id say a lot of them!!!
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Post by oldschool on Jul 20, 2023 8:09:48 GMT
What’s the story with tickets..?
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jul 20, 2023 8:17:26 GMT
I popped in to reservoir dubs and left pretty quick again. They’re a nasty bunch the majority of them. One wonders who is the control there. Keyboard warriors id say a lot of them!!! They really are a deluded bunch… been viewing that site the odd time since 2019… the funny thing is they hardly know more than 5 of our players…. One of them the last day said Paudie Clifford is not a good footballer…. They really have the blue tinted glasses on, all you see is childish jokes like Yerra, Kotf whatever that is, les animaux and few other jibes… no tactical insights etc, just pure inferiority complex towards us… Mayo GAA blog down the years has been no better, awful delusion there also… Hogan stand forum is finished also.
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 20, 2023 8:32:40 GMT
I popped in to reservoir dubs and left pretty quick again. They’re a nasty bunch the majority of them. One wonders who is the control there. Keyboard warriors id say a lot of them!!! Same, had a look, quite a brainstrust. I saw they have a nickname for Clifford and it's "Rodney". Which is the most yer Ballyfermot Da cultural reference point. I'd say they've all dressed up as Del Boy and think it's the funniest thing in the world. Shur, arent we worse for even looking I suppose.
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Post by caseykerry on Jul 20, 2023 8:48:38 GMT
If anyone selling ticket please PM me , genuine Kerry supporter north kerry
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 20, 2023 8:55:57 GMT
What’s the story with tickets..? Clubs were informed last night of their initial allocation - seems reasonable from what I have heard but a lot of Hill 16 tickets included. Hill 16 is where the Dubs will want to be so its a good ticket as swaps should be easy to come by on the day.
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