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Post by Premier on Jun 13, 2022 18:27:30 GMT
Think Adrian Spillane will be back in the half forward line for this game. He does ferocious work in stopping the runners slowing down opposition defences coming out with the ball. Give Mayos reluctance to kick the ball, the more we can bottle them up the better. I’d say this is very likely to happen. It’ll probably be the same back 9 as usual with the forwards being; P. Clifford SOS Spillane D. Clifford Geaney Spillane/SOB
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Post by exiled on Jun 13, 2022 18:28:38 GMT
Nothing but complain complain complain on the site for this match. Imagine the 26 counties that are not here would not complain. Clare Derry Armagh not complaining I'm sure. Kerry supporters are in a privileged position to have such a county to support with possibly one of the truly great players in our team. Let's get ready to support them as they deserve and f..k the begrudgers.
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Post by mayofan1 on Jun 13, 2022 18:34:30 GMT
The draw we didn’t want but then again Mayo often produce when we are completely written off. If we had Tommy Conroy and Ryan O D fully fit this year I’d give us a better chance but I think this game will be too much for the way we are playing all year. If we can keep it under 5-6 points it won’t be too bad but I’m fearing the worst.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 13, 2022 19:02:44 GMT
I made the same point a few days back but we tend to disregard the views of the players.
Bryan Sheehan can't speak for all players but he can do so with a lot more authority than us on here... and he said every player wants to play in Croke Park.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 13, 2022 19:06:20 GMT
Kerry's winning average over the past few years in Croker isn't the healthiest so the more we can bring up that winning percentage and give players winning experiences in Croker. Kerry players need Croker experience whether it's the best choice for fans or not.
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Post by kerryboyo on Jun 13, 2022 19:39:57 GMT
Best draw possible for kerry ….
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Post by buck02 on Jun 13, 2022 20:27:20 GMT
Nothing but complain complain complain on the site for this match. Imagine the 26 counties that are not here would not complain. Clare Derry Armagh not complaining I'm sure. Kerry supporters are in a privileged position to have such a county to support with possibly one of the truly great players in our team. Let's get ready to support them as they deserve and f..k the begrudgers. You obviously don't do round trips from Kerry to Croke Park very often. Leaving Kerry after an early breakfast and then leaving Dublin after the game around 6.30pm, getting home around 11pm before a day's work is not much fun. And this craic about players wanting to play in Croke Park. Ask any player who was on the pitch in Limerick in 2014 about that day and it was more memorable than the semi final the week before that's for sure. We are not complaining about the Kerry team. We will do that on Monday week if we lose.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 13, 2022 20:55:43 GMT
In fairness qtr finals were always set for croke park this year, the cost of following games has rocketed, over nights in dublin requires 💰💰💰,but I for one would be in favour if these were played central to counties involved next year. For now let’s look forward to the stiff challenge ahead, anyone using the league final as a form guide needs recalibration, mayo will compete with us, mayo had no interest in league, they have players returning to form, still have challenges around scoring stats, expect kerry to win but it will take a huge effort.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jun 13, 2022 20:58:18 GMT
Best draw possible for kerry …. Have to agree with this. We need a game like this at QF stage. it’s time now for our boys to let loose and show what they’re about. if we can’t produce a decent show against Mayo, then we have no business in a SF against “most likely Dublin”
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 13, 2022 21:12:27 GMT
If playing this game in Croke Park helps Kerry a tiny fraction in their quest to win the All Ireland then i think we will have to accept that even if the number of Kerry supporters is down on whst it would be in Salthill, Limerick or Portlaoise.
The accommodation situation is chronic in Dublin now so its up and down in one day and good luck with parking safely etc. The lot of the Kerry supporter is not easy. Hardly any home games and the cost of everything is rising and a recession seems inevitable.
It is what it is though and the young players are probably happier to play in Croker to get used to it and dare i say it...get used to winning a few championship games there.
Our record there in the championship over the past 6 or 7 years is very bad. Its true that the Kerry players loved Limerick in 2014 but there were lots of old dogs for the hard road that day who had plenty experience of winning All Irelands in Croker.
As for the match..... what have we to go on really?
Mayo are an open book who go from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again. I wrote them off recently as their full forward line only had Cillian and he didnt look right. But then we see two from the fullback line wearing pony tails conjuring up that goal and you think...anything is possible with these guys.
Lets be frank here too about Kerry....who can we really depend on to deliver on the 26th. You can name 4 or 5 and after that it gets tricky. The midfield can hardly be described as consistent. We cant be 100% certain who will start in goals and the kickout strategy isnt exactly finely honed.
Who can we depend on to kick points from 40 yards....
Have we the finely honed attacking approach to find the finisher when attacking or will it be what we saw against Cork for 50 mins when players took the ball forward on their own, got isolated and got dispossessed.
Will we defend in numbers without committing simple fouls?
Do we really have the strongest panel or is that a mirage?
Finally, will we go to pieces in a tight finish as the stewards start to walk around the ground and make rash decisions and kick the ball away aimlessly etc.
I am just asking questions.
I have no clue what Kerry will bring on the 26th. There is evidence that our defense has been shored up but after that, we will just have to wait and see.
I hope its more sublime than ridiculous.
I do know this much though. I am very excited about the next 6 weeks and very grateful that we have this diversion from what is an awful year so far in so many ways between the Ukrainian war, the death of Red Og Murphy, the death of that camogie player in Galway and also Aisling Murphy.
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Post by fitz on Jun 13, 2022 21:23:16 GMT
Joe Molloy on Off the Ball tonight brought up the undercooked reference about last year’s Tyrone performance and Kerry players cramping up and think there’s a risk now based on the lack of competitive game time our guys have had and Mayo’s two qualifiers.There’s no way Jack and team have not prepared for this eventuality
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 13, 2022 21:59:33 GMT
We can get around to team selections and match ups next week, but as an over view, for our progression this is a great draw.
We need to up the challenges a knotch, Clare would have been a degree below, Armagh would have required a mini peak, which is hard to accomplish if planning a three match run in.
Mayo is the perfect stepping stone even if they have regressed since the league, beaten by a poor Galway side and scraping past Kildare - since league final we'd added Seanie to the panel.
For me we're heading for two cracking semi finals, Kerry/Dublin and Armagh/,Derry. This AI from now on eill be hard won.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 13, 2022 22:02:29 GMT
I think a lot of people think this game is already won.
There are shades of last year's AISF in this.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 13, 2022 22:05:30 GMT
We can get around to team selections and match ups next week, but as an over view, for our progression this is a great draw. We need to up the challenges a knotch, Clare would have been a degree below, Armagh would have required a mini peak, which is hard to accomplish if planning a three match run in. Mayo is the perfect stepping stone even if they have regressed since the league, beaten by a poor Galway side and scraping past Kildare - since league final we'd added Seanie to the panel. For me we're heading for two cracking semi finals, Kerry/Dublin and Armagh/,Derry. This AI from now on eill be hard won. Armagh have savage momentum. Massive support behind them. We all know what happened 20 years ago.
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Post by eternalhope on Jun 13, 2022 22:07:35 GMT
Looking too far ahead has been this team's undoing for two seasons in a row. Playing an opposition that they have recently hammered (akin to last year), I would hope they have learned from the last 2 seasons and will approach this game with the application, caution and respect that it deserves.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jun 13, 2022 22:21:06 GMT
From Mick Mack… Who can we depend on to kick points from 40 yards....
Watching other teams this year kicking them with confidence is a joy to behold.
Our boys seem happy to fart around for the shooters.
The shooters???
What’s that all about? We are Kerry kicking from 35/40 yards should be a given at this stage.
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Post by brucewayne on Jun 13, 2022 23:40:20 GMT
I think a lot of people think this game is already won. There are shades of last year's AISF in this. Mayo being written off going into this game is crazy. As already pointed out they can go from spacer football to unstoppable in a way no other team can. There are a handful of older heads there sure but they have been bringing on lads like Ruane, Carney, Mullins and O'Hora too so the 'last sting' guff rings hollow. They have accounted for a couple of division 1 sides without having to show anything spectacular in the last 2 weeks and these games are going to have them nice and sharp by the time they get to the QF. The league final? Totally irrelevant. They had Galway coming down the tracks and looked like a team who were fulfilling a fixture. Mayo will be hopping off the sod the way the stricken Tyrone lads were last year and don't doubt that for a fraction of a second.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 14, 2022 0:22:54 GMT
I think a lot of people think this game is already won. There are shades of last year's AISF in this. Mayo being written off going into this game is crazy. As already pointed out they can go from spacer football to unstoppable in a way no other team can. There are a handful of older heads there sure but they have been bringing on lads like Ruane, Carney, Mullins and O'Hora too so the 'last sting' guff rings hollow. They have accounted for a couple of division 1 sides without having to show anything spectacular in the last 2 weeks and these games are going to have them nice and sharp by the time they get to the QF. The league final? Totally irrelevant. They had Galway coming down the tracks and looked like a team who were fulfilling a fixture. Mayo will be hopping off the sod the way the stricken Tyrone lads were last year and don't doubt that for a fraction of a second. It's not that we are writing off Mayo but if Kerry has any hope of Sam, we need a test before Dublin. The q/f options were Armagh, Mayo and Clare. No offense to Clare but we wouldn't learn from Clare so it was either Mayo or Armagh. To be honest I'd rather get Mayo and Dublin get Cork as we will get a challenge and we hope Dublin will be undercooked. Mayo are an enigma in that they can be absolutely shocking against opposition they would be expected to win comfortably and a week later be all guns blazing v the big teams. I'm expecting that we get the latter as a repeat of the league final would be as useful as this year's Munster Final to Kerry.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 14, 2022 0:34:45 GMT
I believed this to be the greatest Kerry panel ever but they need to kick-start that real 'I'm Kerry' ethos like their predecessors, just be that bit ballsie, etc - this is my Sam and I'm taking it. Some amazing games to be played with so much unknown quantities, let's hope we have the most of that, Mayo game will be a classic, do or die for a few of them but they are capable, they are beaten AI finalists so they are to be respected, both teams will bring out the best in each other, and whatever about us, they'd probably relish another slice of blue flesh, roll on July 26.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 14, 2022 2:37:56 GMT
Mayo being written off going into this game is crazy. As already pointed out they can go from spacer football to unstoppable in a way no other team can. There are a handful of older heads there sure but they have been bringing on lads like Ruane, Carney, Mullins and O'Hora too so the 'last sting' guff rings hollow. They have accounted for a couple of division 1 sides without having to show anything spectacular in the last 2 weeks and these games are going to have them nice and sharp by the time they get to the QF. The league final? Totally irrelevant. They had Galway coming down the tracks and looked like a team who were fulfilling a fixture. Mayo will be hopping off the sod the way the stricken Tyrone lads were last year and don't doubt that for a fraction of a second. It's not that we are writing off Mayo but if Kerry has any hope of Sam, we need a test before Dublin. The q/f options were Armagh, Mayo and Clare. No offense to Clare but we wouldn't learn from Clare so it was either Mayo or Armagh. To be honest I'd rather get Mayo and Dublin get Cork as we will get a challenge and we hope Dublin will be undercooked. Mayo are an enigma in that they can be absolutely shocking against opposition they would be expected to win comfortably and a week later be all guns blazing v the big teams. I'm expecting that we get the latter as a repeat of the league final would be as useful as this year's Munster Final to Kerry. I think it's fair to say: 1. Kerry need a test 2. Mayo are that test. 3. But if Kerry lose they don't deserve to play Dublin anyway. People aren't saying 3. out loud as if it can't happen. Kerry accommodated Tyrone last year because they needed a test. I probably thought at the time Kerry by ten. I am actually awake after dreaming of Kerry losing this game despite scoring seven goals. It's probably something I hitherto didn't believe in but this confidence or rather complacency among the Kerry people may well be seeping into the Kerry players. I'd hope rather 2020 and 2021 ensures that doesn't happen.
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Post by brucewayne on Jun 14, 2022 6:58:00 GMT
Any loose talk about Mayo being this bad or that bad in the last few weeks needs to come with a massive health warning. Mayo are not to be dismissed lightly and language like 'stepping stone' or even 'test' is dismissive. The really difficult thing with Mayo is you can't predict what they'll do while the converse is true of ourselves. Naming the Kerry 15 for this game is straight forward and many here would give fairly accurate team sheets without too much work. There is a very defined sweeper system in place now that Mayo can target. There are still things that need to be tweaked in terms of our kickout strategy that Mayo can target. Of Mayo? They run the ball with ferocious intensity and have the fitness needed to be a serious challenge. Is there any truth in one pundit's observation that they played a kicking game that was very effective against Dublin in the league? Are they keeping something in the locker for this third meeting between the sides? These questions will probably be overlooked if we write them off.
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Post by rollingstone on Jun 14, 2022 8:14:28 GMT
IMO if they persist with Aidan O'Shea and start him Kerry will be out the gate before Mayo get a chance to catch their breath. He was absolutely awful on Saturday giving away the ball time after time. Granted the rest weren't much better but he's been the worst culprit for years. He must have some serious dirt on someone high up there as I cannot for the life of me see how he keeps starting for them. If he does start, I will be delighted.
I am very confident in our defence but less so on MF and forwards - as someone said, individually there is no issue so really looking forward to seeing what they bring. Provided our MF breaks even and our forwards click then I would expect Kerry to win regardless of what Mayo bring to the table.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 14, 2022 8:27:20 GMT
IMO if they persist with Aidan O'Shea and start him Kerry will be out the gate before Mayo get a chance to catch their breath. He was absolutely awful on Saturday giving away the ball time after time. Granted the rest weren't much better but he's been the worst culprit for years. He must have some serious dirt on someone high up there as I cannot for the life of me see how he keeps starting for them. If he does start, I will be delighted. I am very confident in our defence but less so on MF and forwards - as someone said, individually there is no issue so really looking forward to seeing what they bring. Provided our MF breaks even and our forwards click then I would expect Kerry to win regardless of what Mayo bring to the table. Jordan Flynn is back now so they may not start him although he was good against Monaghan according to Off the Ball over the weekend.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 14, 2022 9:30:37 GMT
It might be unfair on a team that scored 1-28 without him the last day out, but if Clifford is out then it tips the balance in Mayos favour.
Both teams will have believed all year that if they wanted to win the All Ireland, they were probably going to have to beat one another on the way. I'm sure a lot of Kerry analysts hours have gone into Mayo. What is difficult to analysee is the chaos that often happens when Mayo go on one of those mad 15 minute sprees of dominance.
Kerry will need to have a plan for that, to break that momentum as quickly as possible and not let the Mayo crowd become a factor.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 14, 2022 10:07:44 GMT
It's not that we are writing off Mayo but if Kerry has any hope of Sam, we need a test before Dublin. The q/f options were Armagh, Mayo and Clare. No offense to Clare but we wouldn't learn from Clare so it was either Mayo or Armagh. To be honest I'd rather get Mayo and Dublin get Cork as we will get a challenge and we hope Dublin will be undercooked. Mayo are an enigma in that they can be absolutely shocking against opposition they would be expected to win comfortably and a week later be all guns blazing v the big teams. I'm expecting that we get the latter as a repeat of the league final would be as useful as this year's Munster Final to Kerry. I think it's fair to say: 1. Kerry need a test 2. Mayo are that test. 3. But if Kerry lose they don't deserve to play Dublin anyway. People aren't saying 3. out loud as if it can't happen. Kerry accommodated Tyrone last year because they needed a test. I probably thought at the time Kerry by ten. I am actually awake after dreaming of Kerry losing this game despite scoring seven goals. It's probably something I hitherto didn't believe in but this confidence or rather complacency among the Kerry people may well be seeping into the Kerry players. I'd hope rather 2020 and 2021 ensures that doesn't happen. Obviously if Kerry don't win they don't deserve the AI, that's a given. Wanting and needing to be pushed rather than looking for the "handiest number" isn't arrogance, it's based on the past several years where Kerry don't appear to have been pushed prior to their eventual demise. Even Mayo and Armagh would understand talk that they are not on Dublin's level over the past few years, Kerry definitely weren't. It's not complacency. Now if the general Kerry public thinks Kerry will win at a canter v Mayo then I'd be worried. Mayo as I said before are an enigma that you can't base their future performance on the last match. I'm expecting a fight and I hope it stands to Kerry at the final whistle. If we avoided Armagh and Mayo, I'd be more confident of a q/f win but extremely more fearful of a semi final defeat. Kerry accommodated Tyrone last year as had Tyrone withdrawn (I don't believe for a minute they would) it would diminish the championship. That would have been unfair on both Kerry or Mayo.
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Post by keane on Jun 14, 2022 11:08:38 GMT
I dunno whether this 'Kerry were undercooked' thing has ended up being blown out of all proportion re: last year as well.
We were undercooked in the sense that we had yet to develop a defensive system you wouldn't be overly impressed with at U16 level ok, and we had yet to develop a system of attacking a massed defense that didn't involve lone players running into obvious trap corridors to be turned over. Did we have such systems ticking away in the oven awaiting an All Ireland final? I kind of doubt it.
At least this year we look a bit less likely to concede simple counter-attack goals.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 14, 2022 11:10:52 GMT
Obviously if Kerry don't win they don't deserve the AI, that's a given. Wanting and needing to be pushed rather than looking for the "handiest number" isn't arrogance, it's based on the past several years where Kerry don't appear to have been pushed prior to their eventual demise. Even Mayo and Armagh would understand talk that they are not on Dublin's level over the past few years, Kerry definitely weren't. It's not complacency. Now if the general Kerry public thinks Kerry will win at a canter v Mayo then I'd be worried. Mayo as I said before are an enigma that you can't base their future performance on the last match. I'm expecting a fight and I hope it stands to Kerry at the final whistle. If we avoided Armagh and Mayo, I'd be more confident of a q/f win but extremely more fearful of a semi final defeat. Kerry accommodated Tyrone last year as had Tyrone withdrawn (I don't believe for a minute they would) it would diminish the championship. That would have been unfair on both Kerry or Mayo. Tyrone did forfeit the game and pull out only Kerry decently agreed to move date. Tyrone said they forfeited but nothing was sent into HQ. At no stage were they out of the championship last year. It was a gambit that paid off.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 14, 2022 11:47:57 GMT
€40 for stand tickets, €30 for terrace. Same price as the Munster Final but for what you get for the price is a lot better this time than what I got for the Munster Final. I'm happy to pay it this time and hopefully I'll be celebrating my birthday with a Kerry win 🥳
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 14, 2022 11:50:43 GMT
What should our plan be for midfield the next day? I suppose specifically what to do with Moran. Do we start him an let him give it everything and take him off? Or do we keep him in reserve? My only worry would be is that Mayo are a second half team and if its close with 20 mins to go it will probably be a type of game that is stretched and frenetic.
Is Moran more valuable to come on to calm the waters as it were even though he might be caught for legs? In fairness to him he gives a great option to come off the bench if we need to win primary ball around the middle. Added to that I suppose we do have to trust in the Na Gael lads as well.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 14, 2022 12:27:46 GMT
What should our plan be for midfield the next day? I suppose specifically what to do with Moran. Do we start him an let him give it everything and take him off? Or do we keep him in reserve? My only worry would be is that Mayo are a second half team and if its close with 20 mins to go it will probably be a type of game that is stretched and frenetic. Is Moran more valuable to come on to calm the waters as it were even though he might be caught for legs? In fairness to him he gives a great option to come off the bench if we need to win primary ball around the middle. Added to that I suppose we do have to trust in the Na Gael lads as well. Really think that we end the game with David ( Moran) on the pitch - he has easily a half of football in him & gives the added option in the air both @ midfield & in defence. He tends to win handy frees also by using his strength to get past players. Think Brosnan will lose out to Dara Moynihan for a starting berth if Dara is fit with David Clifford back in at the expense of Killian/Geaney.
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