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Post by keane on Jun 27, 2022 10:35:04 GMT
For those who were at the game - we seemed to be pressing the kickouts in a very token way. I can't remember too many times we forced Hennelly long. Did it look like the high press wasn't part of the plan on the day, or that we weren't able to make it work?
I guess we've maybe abandoned it a bit in favour of getting bodies back quicker
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 27, 2022 10:42:49 GMT
For those who were at the game - we seemed to be pressing the kickouts in a very token way. I can't remember too many times we forced Hennelly long. Did it look like the high press wasn't part of the plan on the day, or that we weren't able to make it work? I guess we've maybe abandoned it a bit in favour of getting bodies back quicker Think the high press wasn’t part of the plan - with only Geaney & DC inside there was often a numerical disadvantage & neither of the lads were asked to press.
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Post by southward on Jun 27, 2022 10:55:01 GMT
I understand that the two players were sent off as the captains. Make of that what you will. Fine in hindsight but Paul Rouse said Coldrick shouldn't have done anything and let one of the Cs handle it. I think points should count in penalty shootout. A more interesting dynamic... but fairly certain only goals count. There's surely no rule that allows a man to be sent off for being the captain. Kelly has to get off on appeal. Coldrick needs to be retired at this stage.
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Post by southward on Jun 27, 2022 11:01:17 GMT
Are Kerry better than they were this time 12 months ago? I'm not sure they are. Maybe not but maybe yesterday wasn't the time be be peaking either. This time 12 months ago we were the cheese, look what happened then. Hopefully we're timing the run.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 27, 2022 11:05:51 GMT
I understand that the two players were sent off as the captains. Make of that what you will. Fine in hindsight but Paul Rouse said Coldrick shouldn't have done anything and let one of the Cs handle it. I think points should count in penalty shootout. A more interesting dynamic... but fairly certain only goals count. There's surely no rule that allows a man to be sent off for being the captain. Kelly has to get off on appeal. Coldrick needs to be retired at this stage. They were sent off for 'contributing to a melee'. There was a suggestion that he picked those 2 players as they were captains/joint captains but I think that was pure conjecture. In truth he could probably have sent off any of 20+ players for the same infraction but what was he to do? What will be interesting to see is if there are any more suspensions. I'm not sure how that works. Is it deemed that the ref has dealt with the incident or can there be further punishments handed out. That's maybe what Rouse meant.
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Post by homerj on Jun 27, 2022 11:06:03 GMT
are kerry better than 12 months ago?
i have without doubt, that we are. defensive structure alone is much improved.
would we have beaten Mayo by 8 points last year? i dont think so, regardless of how much they have regressed.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 27, 2022 11:13:49 GMT
Are Kerry better than they were this time 12 months ago? I'm not sure they are. I was disappointed by the way they let Mayo manage the period when Aidan O Shea was black carded. We let Mayo get an awful lot of shots off with no pressure on. Same in first half v Cork. We got away with yesterday cos of poor execution by Mayo. Not sure Dubs will be so accommodating. The caveat from yesterday was the conditions and the ludicrous delay to the game. These might account for some of the poor fare we saw. Alot of doom and gloom but I'm very happy with Kerry. Our achilles heel for a long long time has been our defence. Not necessarily the players themselves but the lack of structure we had. We're unrecognisable in this regard in 2022 in both the league campaign and the championship to date. If we can continue preventing teams from scoring goals against us I'd back us to outscore any other team in the country (including Dublin). DOC was quiet yesterday but I fully expect him to bounce back. He's all the attributes to play well in Croker and repositioning him on the 40 could be the solution. Our full back line were outstanding again yesterday and Morley is playing the sweeper role superbly. Roll on two weeks time! We're in the business end and the jury is out, way out! Our team including our defence were turned over time and time again yesterday, against it cannot be stressed enough a really poor Mayo team running on fumes. How many chances did Mayo miss?(14/15 wides?). Mclaughlin should have goaled and Dublin will not look such gifts in the mouth.
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Post by ciarrai74 on Jun 27, 2022 11:14:39 GMT
Job done yesterday. unconvincing but winning is all that mattered. I say forward win matches and sadly Mayo don't have them whereas we do thankfully.
No pointing peaking yesterday. We are coming along nicely. We will be a different animal in 2 weeks time guaranteed.
A few changes possibly with Moran[outstanding yesterday] starting with Jack Barry. D.O'Connor might be moved to Half Foward line or else A.Spillane comes back in to replace D.moynihan. Nice to have plenty options.
Re support yesterday was very disappointing but 4pm thrown in basically ruled out families and kids attending. Yesterday was an 18 hour day for myself and a few supporters in Tralee. 07.10am train and back on 19.05[was delayed until 20.15pm]. GAA need to start looking after supporters with such long journeys home afterwards as Hotels in Dublin are scandalous prices. 2pm should have been Kerry v Mayo thrown in.
Gough was poor on us yesterday.
Roll on two weeks for Gaelic Football's greatest occassion kerry v Dublin in a packed Croke Park.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 27, 2022 11:17:40 GMT
Job done yesterday. unconvincing but winning is all that mattered. I say forward win matches and sadly Mayo don't have them whereas we do thankfully. No pointing peaking yesterday. We are coming along nicely. We will be a different animal in 2 weeks time guaranteed. A few changes possibly with Moran[outstanding yesterday] starting with Jack Barry. D.O'Connor might be moved to Half Foward line or else A.Spillane comes back in to replace D.moynihan. Nice to have plenty options. Re support yesterday was very disappointing but 4pm thrown in basically ruled out families and kids attending. Yesterday was an 18 hour day for myself and a few supporters in Tralee. 07.10am train and back on 19.05[was delayed until 20.15pm]. GAA need to start looking after supporters with such long journeys home afterwards as Hotels in Dublin are scandalous prices. 2pm should have been Kerry v Mayo thrown in. Gough was poor on us yesterday. Roll on two weeks for Gaelic Football's greatest occassion kerry v Dublin in a packed Croke Park. Agree with everything here fair play for making the journey !
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Post by jackiel on Jun 27, 2022 11:33:21 GMT
Firstly I was at the match. I don't have to travel and understand all the factors as to why people didn't but I did notice the absence of some very regular faces from my position in the Hogan stand. I don't think enough is being made of the fact that the teams were prepared for a match throwing in at 4pm, the extra time and penalties really messed with the mojo. Players were in and out, from the dressing room to the stand several times. Not saying it's an excuse but I'm sure it had a part to play. David Moran was my MOTM, after all the stuff that's been written about him here and elsewhere I'm delighted to see him put in such an immense perfomance. Yesterday's performance wouldn't come near the Dubs but everyone knows that and I'm sure we'll see a marked improvement the next day. It will be interesting to see how many travel for that one. I spent both days in Croke Park and realistically the Galway/Armagh match was the best match of the weekend (before the full time whistle). I'd love to see Kieran Donaghy's enthusiasm on a Kerry sideline rather than Armagh or anywhere else.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 27, 2022 11:33:42 GMT
Was at the game yesterday, thought we really lacked energy. The hour delay to the game could have impacted that. We didn’t see any fast running off the shoulder from the likes of White, Beaglaoich or Diarmuid O’Connor. Also sometimes our forwards were only shadowing their man, it looked like they didn’t have the energy to put them under real pressure. Big difference from what we’ve seen from this team all year.
The wet pitch definitely affected us too yesterday as we couldn’t really get our kicking game going. Any ball hopped in front of a forward was going to skid away from them so a lot of the kicks into the forwards were contestable high ones which suited the Mayo defence. Hopefully we’ve a dry pitch for the Dublin game.
The most pleasing thing is that we dug out the victory. Yes some very poor sides from Mayo hugely helped but 8 points in the finish was a sizeable margin of victory. We were up against a lot of things yesterday, our main man carrying an injury, the conditions, a flatness that can happen a team, but it’s a good sign of the development of the team they were able to get over the line.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 27, 2022 11:43:40 GMT
Can anybody please explain what happened with Tony Brosnans red card yesterday. I saw him being flashed a red card but he didn't leave the field
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Post by southward on Jun 27, 2022 11:54:26 GMT
Can anybody please explain what happened with Tony Brosnans red card yesterday. I saw him being flashed a red card but he didn't leave the field Looked like Gough pulled out a red by mistake, then retracted it.
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Post by taggert on Jun 27, 2022 12:00:06 GMT
The extra half hour Sunday week (15:30 throw in) should see an extra 20K Kerry fans in attendance....😉
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 27, 2022 12:21:21 GMT
The extra half hour Sunday week (15:30 throw in) should see an extra 20K Kerry fans in attendance....😉 I would expect a big Kerry following. They always travel in big numbers for Dublin. Although yesterdays game was declared a sell out it was only 71,000. I would however expect this game to be the 1st real sell out since Kerry and Dublin last met in 2019.
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Post by kot on Jun 27, 2022 12:34:27 GMT
Very strange atmosphere yesterday, even when Mayo were on our coattails it was flat. First half was very poor in my opinion, Clifford's goal the one shining light. I was cursing the fact he was left on though, he clearly wasn't right at all! A very short two weeks turnaround now.
We coughed up possession way to easily and you only have to look at Kildare to see what happens if you do that against the Dubs. Mayo's deplorable shooting left us off the hook.
However, an 8 point win when we weren't tested yet in the championship against the team who came 1 below us in the league is a good day no matter what.
David Moran was excellent I thought, for a man with as many miles on the clock as him to put in a shift like that was magnificent. Morley, Foley & the 2 O' Sullivans also were brilliant but I would have given MoTM to David.
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Post by thepromisedland on Jun 27, 2022 12:44:34 GMT
On your last point, I totally agree. Its an embarrassment and has been for a long long time. We know the mitigants but all too familiar the excuses. I live in Dublin - its easy. But I travel everywhere Kerry play on the Island. Support yesterday was pathetic. I like you Taggert live in Dublin but travel all over to support my county too. The ones that really annoy me are the ones that "wait for the final". Support is important and can get your team over the line in a tight game. It did for Mayo on numerous occasions. Yesterday was the smallest Mayo crowd I ever saw in croker for a championship game and when the game was tight they could nt give their team extra energy. I believe I supportand in wearing your colours so the players can see the colours. I know players have said the colours give you extra strength and motivation. Finally on that I must say some of our ex players are the worst offenders for not wearing colours. Maybe they think they re too special. Ex players from other counties wear colours with pride. Now I won't name as of now but I will name the true heroes that I've seen supporting Kerry with their colours on The Bomber Liam Flaherty Dermot Hanafin Maurice Fitzgerald Séamus Moynihan MF Russell and fair play to them. Like you both lads, I'm in exile for 49% of the year up in Mayo, I thought our representative support up in Dublin was pitiful yesterday, embarrassing, I try in as much as I can try to go to all Kerry hurling and football games, support all things Kerry and be as patriotic as what will logistically, practically and financially will let me be. It's very difficult to go to all games, everybody has their own reasons, be it those three or personal, I completely understand that. It is a well known fact since 2011, that Kerry has the lowest disposable income levels in the 32 counties of Ireland, North Kerry being economically poor. This I know, will effect our support at games, but sadly, this has always been the same down through the decades, with the exception of the 'Páidí Effect' from 1996 - 2002, we garnered a lot of youth supporters going to all of our games in huge numbers, when the general atmosphere at games was better back then, with a lot more flags and klaxons / air horns, not like the demour, pacified situation generally today, taking away the Canal End up in Crike Park, not helping, at least Hill 16 is still there. It is correct and easy to ascertain that if there was a paltry 1,200 - 2, 000 Kerry supporters there yesterday. Armagh filled 40% of the stadium, Galway probably hah between 5,000 - 7,000, a brutal representation from them, but one has to bear in mind that they are still in the hurling, so they can't afford to be out every weekend, this is my point, GAA HQ must revert back to finals in September, this is not working, it will revert back within 3 years, people cannot afford to, especially at present in being on the road every week to two weeks. This is simply unsustainable irrespective of whatever the players think. On the match itself, I thought the Mayo support was the worst I've ever seen at Croke Park, it simply was a case that they never really believed that they were going to win the game, they turned up more in hope than expectation, I really felt sorry for them and the team afterwards. Horan will surely go now. It was also the worst Mayo performance seen in many years in Croke Park. Seeing Keegan on the pitch with his child afterwards does not bode well for them, they are well past their best now, they were toothless and ineffective up front, but were competitive right up to half time, Aidan O' Shea was angry when taken off, quite a few to retire now, a lot of retirements needed for Mayo I think. Our boys were very rusty, but we were still so much better than them in transitioning the ball, first touch, overlapping, kick passing, that performance will not do against Dublin though, but they are no great shakes neither. The football in general this year, Minor, U20 and Senior has been a pike of *e! on the whole, the standard has gone way back this year overall on those three grades. Like school standards, dating and life in general. David Moran played excellent, 3 points, David Geaney finding his mojo again after a few years in the doldrums. David Clifford I hope will be good, was a worry yesterday though, he did not want him to come off, eventhough from where I was seated, Jack was signalling for him to come off. Gough had a very poor second half refereeing, gave us nothing, we had to work harder in getting frees, he simply didn't trust his empires with the calling of the Hawkeye. Overall, we did in what we had to do, albeit not convincingly, plenty to ponder about, but at least we have, better to sort these out now before Dublin, the Dubs can't say the same though. We live in hope.
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Post by taggert on Jun 27, 2022 12:46:29 GMT
Was at the game yesterday, thought we really lacked energy. The hour delay to the game could have impacted that. We didn’t see any fast running off the shoulder from the likes of White, Beaglaoich or Diarmuid O’Connor. Also sometimes our forwards were only shadowing their man, it looked like they didn’t have the energy to put them under real pressure. Big difference from what we’ve seen from this team all year. The wet pitch definitely affected us too yesterday as we couldn’t really get our kicking game going. Any ball hopped in front of a forward was going to skid away from them so a lot of the kicks into the forwards were contestable high ones which suited the Mayo defence. Hopefully we’ve a dry pitch for the Dublin game. The most pleasing thing is that we dug out the victory. Yes some very poor sides from Mayo hugely helped but 8 points in the finish was a sizeable margin of victory. We were up against a lot of things yesterday, our main man carrying an injury, the conditions, a flatness that can happen a team, but it’s a good sign of the development of the team they were able to get over the line. I felt this too, also being there. The lack of energy you mention, I describe as "heavy legged" in an earlier post. It affected the majority of them. Im hoping it was dirty petrol, first game in 4 weeks etc, and the plan is to be flying in 2 weeks time but a better team (i.e. with decent forwards) would have put Kerry to the sword yesterday as a majority of our players were simply stuck to the ground.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 27, 2022 12:49:12 GMT
Can anybody please explain what happened with Tony Brosnans red card yesterday. I saw him being flashed a red card but he didn't leave the field Saw that too and dont understand what Gough was at - I thought he booked Brosnan under the Hogan Stand shortly after he came on and after a Mayo wide, saw Gough speaking to Brosnan again and flashing a red card - not sure what it was all about.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 27, 2022 12:54:01 GMT
I like you Taggert live in Dublin but travel all over to support my county too. The ones that really annoy me are the ones that "wait for the final". Support is important and can get your team over the line in a tight game. It did for Mayo on numerous occasions. Yesterday was the smallest Mayo crowd I ever saw in croker for a championship game and when the game was tight they could nt give their team extra energy. I believe I supportand in wearing your colours so the players can see the colours. I know players have said the colours give you extra strength and motivation. Finally on that I must say some of our ex players are the worst offenders for not wearing colours. Maybe they think they re too special. Ex players from other counties wear colours with pride. Now I won't name as of now but I will name the true heroes that I've seen supporting Kerry with their colours on The Bomber Liam Flaherty Dermot Hanafin Maurice Fitzgerald Séamus Moynihan MF Russell and fair play to them. Like you both lads, I'm in exile for 49% of the year up in Mayo, I thought our representative support up in Dublin was pitiful yesterday, embarrassing, I try in as much as I can try to go to all Kerry hurling and football games, support all things Kerry and be as patriotic as what will logistically, practically and financially will let me be. It's very difficult to go to all games, everybody has their own reasons, be it those three or personal, I completely understand that. It is a well known fact since 2011, that Kerry has the lowest disposable income levels in the 32 counties of Ireland, North Kerry being economically poor. This I know, will effect our support at games, but sadly, this has always been the same down through the decades, with the exception of the 'Páidí Effect' from 1996 - 2002, we garnered a lot of youth supporters going to all of our games in huge numbers, when the general atmosphere at games was better back then, with a lot more flags and klaxons / air horns, not like the demour, pacified situation generally today, taking away the Canal End up in Crike Park, not helping, at least Hill 16 is still there. It is correct and easy to ascertain that if there was a paltry 1,200 - 2, 000 Kerry supporters there yesterday. Armagh filled 40% of the stadium, Galway probably hah between 5,000 - 7,000, a brutal representation from them, but one has to bear in mind that they are still in the hurling, so they can't afford to be out every weekend, this is my point, GAA HQ must revert back to finals in September, this is not working, it will revert back within 3 years, people cannot afford to, especially at present in being on the road every week to two weeks. This is simply unsustainable irrespective of whatever the players think. On the match itself, I thought the Mayo support was the worst I've ever seen at Croke Park, it simply was a case that they never really believed that they were going to win the game, they turned up more in hope than expectation, I really felt sorry for them and the team afterwards. Horan will surely go now. It was also the worst Mayo performance seen in many years in Croke Park. Seeing Keegan on the pitch with his child afterwards does not bode well for them, they are well past their best now, they were toothless and ineffective up front, but were competitive right up to half time, Aidan O' Shea was angry when taken off, quite a few to retire now, a lot of retirements needed for Mayo I think. Our boys were very rusty, but we were still so much better than them in transitioning the ball, first touch, overlapping, kick passing, that performance will not do against Dublin though, but they are no great shakes neither. The football in general this year, Minor, U20 and Senior has been a pike of *e! on the whole, the standard has gone way back this year overall on those three grades. Like school standards, dating and life in general. David Moran played excellent, 3 points, David Geaney finding his mojo again after a few years in the doldrums. David Clifford I hope will be good, was a worry yesterday though, he did not want him to come off, eventhough from where I was seated, Jack was signalling for him to come off. Gough had a very poor second half refereeing, gave us nothing, we had to work harder in getting frees, he simply didn't trust his empires with the calling of the Hawkeye. Overall, we did in what we had to do, albeit not convincingly, plenty to ponder about, but at least we have, better to sort these out now before Dublin, the Dubs can't say the same though. We live in hope. That's nothing to do with Gough. He gets a call from the Hawkeye official if there's an issue with an umpire's decision. That's why the call is always overturned in a situation like that.
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Post by southward on Jun 27, 2022 13:12:32 GMT
That's nothing to do with Gough. He gets a call from the Hawkeye official if there's an issue with an umpire's decision. That's why the call is always overturned in a situation like that. I thought Killian was robbed by Hawkeye tbh. But on that, if Hawkeye monitors all shots and not just the ones it's asked to rule on, then why have umpires at all? I see Brian Gavin in the Examiner a bit critical of Gough's performance. www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40904552.htmlLooked slightly unfit to me, I have to say, like he was carrying a few pounds. Not like him to be fair.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2022 13:17:15 GMT
Could someone copy and paste in Eamonn Fitzmaurice's article in today Examiner? Thanks
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Post by dc84 on Jun 27, 2022 13:46:40 GMT
For those who were at the game - we seemed to be pressing the kickouts in a very token way. I can't remember too many times we forced Hennelly long. Did it look like the high press wasn't part of the plan on the day, or that we weren't able to make it work? I guess we've maybe abandoned it a bit in favour of getting bodies back quicker There wasnt a full court press anyway we didnt concede them completely either it worked out anyway despite mayo having a lot of options from kickouts they didnt dominate them by any stretch. I dont think we needed to either we were ahead most of the game and with conditions there wasnt much of a need to take many risks
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Post by maura on Jun 27, 2022 13:46:43 GMT
Congrats to Kerry on your win, my last time at a Mayo /Kerry match the Gooch was playing and we lost that day too. Best of luck going forward from a Mayo supporter
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Post by peanuts on Jun 27, 2022 14:03:58 GMT
That's nothing to do with Gough. He gets a call from the Hawkeye official if there's an issue with an umpire's decision. That's why the call is always overturned in a situation like that. I thought Killian was robbed by Hawkeye tbh. But on that, if Hawkeye monitors all shots and not just the ones it's asked to rule on, then why have umpires at all? I see Brian Gavin in the Examiner a bit critical of Gough's performance. www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40904552.htmlLooked slightly unfit to me, I have to say, like he was carrying a few pounds. Not like him to be fair. 45s, square balls, etc; as well as Croke Park and Thurles being the only stadiums with Hawkeye.
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Post by keane on Jun 27, 2022 14:07:50 GMT
There wasnt a full court press anyway we didnt concede them completely either it worked out anyway despite mayo having a lot of options from kickouts they didnt dominate them by any stretch. I dont think we needed to either we were ahead most of the game and with conditions there wasnt much of a need to take many risks Yeah that's how it came across on television as well. As I mentioned before I wonder if this is just a feature of how we set up now that the full court press is going to be mostly absent, or was it a tactical decision particular to playing Mayo.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 27, 2022 14:17:06 GMT
Could someone copy and paste in Eamonn Fitzmaurice's article in today Examiner? Thanks Here you go! Éamonn Fitzmaurice: A lot done by Jack O'Connor and Kerry - but a lot more to do
The Munster champions are where they want to be, but with plenty to work on. While two weeks is a short time, with two and a maximum of three ‘work’ sessions to sort out any issues, yesterday provides the players and management with invaluable context. They are no longer in a vacuum wondering where they are at. Mon, 27 Jun, 2022 - 07:00 The Munster champions are where they want to be, but with plenty to work on. While two weeks is a short time, with two and a maximum of three ‘work’ sessions to sort out any issues, yesterday provides the players and management with invaluable context. They are no longer in a vacuum wondering where they are at. They now know and will appreciate there is work to be done. First to the positives. In a strange way it was a mature performance from Kerry. Yes there were a huge number of errors in their play (turning the ball over 24 times) but there was no sign of panic and they stuck to the plan. Rather than focusing on the mistakes they kept resetting and thinking about the next ball, the next play. In the past there have been days where the mistakes snowballed and the resilience to keep at it was lacking. Even when things weren’t going fully to plan the work rate remained at an admirably high level, with them scoring 1-11 from turnovers. David Moran’s second point resulted from a turnover on Lee Keegan forced by Sean O’Shea and Paudie Clifford on the sideline. It perfectly symbolised that work rate and it came at a crucial stage that provided Kerry with the impetus to push for home. Once more they kept a clean sheet and limited Mayo to 13 points. There were some fine individual displays from Tom and Graham O'Sullivan, David Moran, Sean O’Shea, David Clifford and Paul Geaney. All of the subs impacted. As is his wont Joe O’Connor gave great legs when he came on and that role for him could be significant from now on. With all that said I feel the train south may have been a small bit flat yesterday evening. Management and players would be happy with the result but all realise that they need to be much better next day out. Some of the old issues remain, in particular taking the ball into contact unnecessarily and getting turned over. Their shooting accuracy was at 68%, scoring 19 times out of 28 chances. As the championship enters its penultimate weekend that will have to pushed into the high seventies at least. Another area I think they will have a think about is their approach to the opposition kickout. They frequently had a zonal press in place to force Rob Hennelly long. Mayo read it well and drifted into pockets of space between the zones, with Eoghan McLaughlin particularly effective at this. It allowed Mayo to get out and Kerry spent plenty of time chasing back the field after their opponents. They may finesse this for Dublin or look on a more man on man approach. While neither Kerry or Dublin were at their best this weekend I expect a totally different game in a fortnight. They tend to bring the best out of each other and we can look forward to another cracker that will undoubtedly take on a life of its own. For Mayo it must have been a long drive west yesterday evening. As usual they showed up and performed with bravery and went at Kerry, primarily in the first half. Ultimately as had been suggested beforehand their play in the final third left them down. The stats make for grim reading with them kicking 13 points from 32 chances, a conversion rate of 41%. Their main men Matthew Ruane, Cillian O'Connor and Diarmuid O'Connor were guilty of some of these and it sucked the life out of their challenge. At the end of the match as they loitered around the mouth of the tunnel there was a poignant moment between James Horan and Lee Keegan as they acknowledged each other warmly and with respect. For Mayo’s sake they will hope at least one - if not both - of them are there when they resume in 2023. There will be the inevitable speculation now around the future of some of their senior statesmen but they will take time to reflect. DROP CAP It is hard to know where to start with the Armagh and Galway game. It had absolutely everything. Plenty of the coverage will focus on the fracas at the end of normal time but I would prefer to focus on the football. Free for all aside both teams were an absolute credit to their clubs, counties and respective managements. They died with their boots on with many of them cramping up by the end. The conditioning of these players is frightening so it underlines the lengths they went to in their efforts to win the match. Galway should have sealed the deal in normal time and the concession of those late goals will be something they will be looking closely at in the lead in to the Derry match. Their penalties were of the highest standard though. In a recent challenge match against Clare the game was stopped on two occasions for both teams to rehearse the penalty shootout as they readied themselves for their quarter-finals. Kudos to both managements for this forward planning and it paid off for Galway yesterday. These details count as teams go deep in to the championship. It is one thing having a penalty shootout at the end of training, it’s quite another to try and do it against a different team with fatigue as a factor. Their penalties were of the highest order. For Armagh it is a tough pill to swallow. They broke the golden rule of penalty taking by not hitting the target and they paid the ultimate price. As Galway look forward with excitement to Derry a further issue they will focus on is their game management. At the end of normal time Shane Walsh was in possession as the clock ticked towards the conclusion when he elected (unsuccessfully) to play a Hollywood cross field pass to Matthew Tierney. Armagh broke down the field and won the free that Rian O'Neill converted magnificently. Even though Tierney was open and Walsh is a self confessed instinctive footballer there are situations that need to be managed. Think Ciarán Kilkenny in the same situation. While it is important not to coach the magic out of a player it is essential to know the time when to try something like that and the time to take a beat. As we cast a quick eye forward to the semi final weekend all four teams will fancy their chances from here on in. Kerry and Dublin both got the job done without playing at the top of their games, Derry were exceptional on Saturday, albeit against an underperforming Clare and Galway displayed resilience and guts that we haven’t seen from them for a while. It’s all to play for.
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Post by glengael on Jun 27, 2022 14:24:28 GMT
I look forward to more reports from those of you who were there. Working yesterday so saw some of the game, only in passing. Thankful now that the TV sound was mute, I think Marty & Kevin McStay combo would've been that bit too much. Unless, we had an early goal rush or outbreak of fistycuffs, it was going to be a flat atmosphere after what preceded it. Mayo looked to run out of ideas early on. I thought Geaney's miss was woeful, the set up was excellent though. Someone commented that we are too reliant on David Clifford, I have thought that for a long time. His mobility looked very limited at times.
The intensity required v Dublin wasn't there at all. We can only hope they were saving themselves.
As for Mayo, so near and yet so far in 2021, nowhere near it this year. Time for a few of them to take their bow and go.
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Aodhan
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 27, 2022 14:25:23 GMT
That's nothing to do with Gough. He gets a call from the Hawkeye official if there's an issue with an umpire's decision. That's why the call is always overturned in a situation like that. I thought Killian was robbed by Hawkeye tbh. But on that, if Hawkeye monitors all shots and not just the ones it's asked to rule on, then why have umpires at all? I see Brian Gavin in the Examiner a bit critical of Gough's performance. www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40904552.htmlLooked slightly unfit to me, I have to say, like he was carrying a few pounds. Not like him to be fair. Now I’m beginning to doubt Hawkeye. Killian’s point did look good and I replayed it a number of times. Hawkeye never shows the proper projectory of the ball, it’s always in a dead straight line. At least 90% of the time “NIl” is directly over the upright, probably to make the umpires look good. What are the thoughts of people at the game regarding Killian’s “point”?
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 27, 2022 14:28:58 GMT
I thought Killian was robbed by Hawkeye tbh. But on that, if Hawkeye monitors all shots and not just the ones it's asked to rule on, then why have umpires at all? I see Brian Gavin in the Examiner a bit critical of Gough's performance. www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40904552.htmlLooked slightly unfit to me, I have to say, like he was carrying a few pounds. Not like him to be fair. Now I’m beginning to doubt Hawkeye. Killian’s point did look good and I replayed it a number of times. Hawkeye never shows the proper projectory of the ball, it’s always in a dead straight line. At least 90% of the time “NIl” is directly over the upright, probably to make the umpires look good. What are the thoughts of people at the game regarding Killian’s “point”? Looking at the replay from the camera behind the goal it did look like it was just outside.
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