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Post by fitz on May 26, 2022 20:33:26 GMT
He lacks intensity, urgency
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Post by Deise Exile on May 26, 2022 20:43:09 GMT
Stand Tickets now available for public sale. I get the sense we might lucky to pass 10,000 for this game Blast it anyway and there where only terrace tickets available when I bought mine only yesterday. My Dad's in his 70s and it looks like it will be a warm day, not great for him to be standing for the whole game. Likely you will able to walk into the stand after a while. That happened in Kerry mayo championship game there in 19
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 26, 2022 22:05:25 GMT
Killian got plenty of chances in the league and did little, i definitely wouldn’t advocate giving him game time ahead of lads who have performed Killian is frustrating because we know how talented he is but besides the drawn all ireland in 19 when he scored 1-1 off the bench and the 20 munster final when he was our best forward by far scoring 4 points he has been poor since. 2 games in almost 4 years and the Cork game? Cork are and were rubbish. I was in here advocating for him to get more chances in the league but he didn’t take them and to be honest, I think he’s lucky to still be involved in the squad
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Post by The16thMan on May 26, 2022 22:23:16 GMT
Killian is frustrating because we know how talented he is but besides the drawn all ireland in 19 when he scored 1-1 off the bench and the 20 munster final when he was our best forward by far scoring 4 points he has been poor since. 2 games in almost 4 years and the Cork game? Cork are and were rubbish. I was in here advocating for him to get more chances in the league but he didn’t take them and to be honest, I think he’s lucky to still be involved in the squad Spillane I think is extremely talented and if he can find his best form he could be an automatic starter. Not many forwards have his scoring ability from both legs like he does when he is at 100%. Trouble is that he doesn't be consistent. Jack would be the man to help him grow and he should be given that but for the moment only from the bench unless he starts to really perform when coming on. Something he hasn't done at all this year.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 26, 2022 23:32:00 GMT
I don't know if you can afford to bring Spillane on either in the hope he can impact a game. Geaney / Tony B depending on selection would be ahead of him for the full forward line. And with Jack playing only 2 inside forwards one of which is Clifford it really only leaves one sub position in there.
If he is flying in training he might get a few mins against Limerick due to an injury or the game.being wrapped up early..
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 27, 2022 6:31:03 GMT
2 games in almost 4 years and the Cork game? Cork are and were rubbish. I was in here advocating for him to get more chances in the league but he didn’t take them and to be honest, I think he’s lucky to still be involved in the squad Spillane I think is extremely talented and if he can find his best form he could be an automatic starter. Not many forwards have his scoring ability from both legs like he does when he is at 100%. Trouble is that he doesn't be consistent. Jack would be the man to help him grow and he should be given that but for the moment only from the bench unless he starts to really perform when coming on. Something he hasn't done at all this year. An automatic starter? Based on what? Can’t be based on anything you have seen at intercounty level so has to be pure aspiration. In that case, I could also be an automatic starter
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Post by The16thMan on May 27, 2022 6:41:14 GMT
Spillane I think is extremely talented and if he can find his best form he could be an automatic starter. Not many forwards have his scoring ability from both legs like he does when he is at 100%. Trouble is that he doesn't be consistent. Jack would be the man to help him grow and he should be given that but for the moment only from the bench unless he starts to really perform when coming on. Something he hasn't done at all this year. An automatic starter? Based on what? Can’t be based on anything you have seen at intercounty level so has to be pure aspiration. In that case, I could also be an automatic starter Did you not read what I said?. I said "could". Has the talent and potential but no consistency.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 27, 2022 7:01:13 GMT
An automatic starter? Based on what? Can’t be based on anything you have seen at intercounty level so has to be pure aspiration. In that case, I could also be an automatic starter Did you not read what I said?. I said "could". Has the talent and potential but no consistency. Ok, I disagree at this stage. Someone can only dine out on potential for so long, he hasn’t done it after multiple opportunities so I think we can start saying that maybe he just doesn’t have it
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2022 7:03:57 GMT
The basis for 'Kerry have the best panel' is looking a bit threadbare the more scrutiny it gets.
Killian...lost form but has delivered previously Jack S....untested Tony B....untested Stefan ..injury prone Dara M...injury prone David Moran... 35 mins now probably Paul Geaney....35 mins now probably Dan oD...injured Dylan Casey...untested Joe oConnor....untested Breen...injured Adrian S. 35 mins man maybe in top level contest.
Who else am i leaving out.
By 'untested' i mean has shown that he can be depended upon to produce the required level of performance in Croke Park in knockout championship football against a top opponent...because he has done it previously.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 27, 2022 7:10:38 GMT
The basis for 'Kerry have the best panel' is looking a bit threadbare the more scrutiny it gets. Killian...lost form but has delivered previously Jack S....untested Tony B....untested Stefan ..injury prone Dara M...injury prone David Moran... 35 mins now probably Paul Geaney....35 mins now probably Dan oD...injured Dylan Casey...untested Joe oConnor....untested Breen...injured Adrian S. 35 mins man maybe in top level contest. Who else am i leaving out. By 'untested' i mean has shown that he can be depended upon to produce the required level of performance in Croke Park in knockout championship football against a top opponent...because he has done it previously. I’d agree with you other than on Killian. He hasn’t done other than for about 20 mins in one game. I’m blue in the face from having this discussion, but he has had chance after chance over the last couple of years. We needed him to come up with something in the league this year I’d still make Dublin favourites and that semi final, if we do meet, will be a game that defines the next 5 years
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2022 7:12:48 GMT
The basis for 'Kerry have the best panel' is looking a bit threadbare the more scrutiny it gets. Killian...lost form but has delivered previously Jack S....untested Tony B....untested Stefan ..injury prone Dara M...injury prone David Moran... 35 mins now probably Paul Geaney....35 mins now probably Dan oD...injured Dylan Casey...untested Joe oConnor....untested Breen...injured Adrian S. 35 mins man maybe in top level contest. Who else am i leaving out. By 'untested' i mean has shown that he can be depended upon to produce the required level of performance in Croke Park in knockout championship football against a top opponent...because he has done it previously. I’d agree with you other than on Killian. He hasn’t done other than for about 20 mins in one game. I’d still make Dublin favourites and that semi final, if we do meet, will be a game that defines the next 5 years I left out Burns and Gavin Crowley and Paul Murphy. Burns and Crowley fall into the 'untested' criteria. Paul Murphy has delivered previously but form has dipped.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 27, 2022 8:40:33 GMT
I'll be interested in the team this evening as someone told me this morning that we won a challenge game against Roscommon last weekend and one of main men picked up a slight muscular injury. Hopefully it's not accurate or if so it's only minor.
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Post by Aodhan on May 27, 2022 8:49:54 GMT
I’d agree with you other than on Killian. He hasn’t done other than for about 20 mins in one game. I’m blue in the face from having this discussion, but he has had chance after chance over the last couple of years. We needed him to come up with something in the league this year I’d still make Dublin favourites and that semi final, if we do meet, will be a game that defines the next 5 years [/quote] I take it that you rate Burns higher than Killian or do you?
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 27, 2022 9:24:11 GMT
I’d agree with you other than on Killian. He hasn’t done other than for about 20 mins in one game. I’m blue in the face from having this discussion, but he has had chance after chance over the last couple of years. We needed him to come up with something in the league this year I’d still make Dublin favourites and that semi final, if we do meet, will be a game that defines the next 5 years I take it that you rate Burns higher than Killian or do you? [/quote] Burns and Spillane are obviously very different players. I wonder is Spillane better in the summer on the harder ground. Personally I was disappointed in his league particularly up in Armagh. However he will gives us an impact of the bench I think. Burns for me is lucky enough to be on the team temperament and shooting is a issue.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 27, 2022 9:54:13 GMT
The basis for 'Kerry have the best panel' is looking a bit threadbare the more scrutiny it gets. Killian...lost form but has delivered previously Jack S....untested Tony B....untested Stefan ..injury prone Dara M...injury prone David Moran... 35 mins now probably Paul Geaney....35 mins now probably Dan oD...injured Dylan Casey...untested Joe oConnor....untested Breen...injured Adrian S. 35 mins man maybe in top level contest. Who else am i leaving out. By 'untested' i mean has shown that he can be depended upon to produce the required level of performance in Croke Park in knockout championship football against a top opponent...because he has done it previously. We clearly have the best panel. Each player on the 26 the last day was capable of playing and contributing. It’s fine saying the likes of Dylan Casey is untested but we’re talking about a back up corner back, no team in the country have a bench of very experienced players. He has earned a position in the 26 based on league performances. Moran, Geaney, Murphy, Crowley, Spillane and Burns from the bench against Cork are all experienced championship players to various degrees. Dublin’s bench is full of unknowns. Tyrone when everyone is fit probably have the best after ours despite having had players leaving the panel.
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Post by peanuts on May 27, 2022 10:02:14 GMT
The basis for 'Kerry have the best panel' is looking a bit threadbare the more scrutiny it gets. Killian...lost form but has delivered previously Jack S....untested Tony B....untested Stefan ..injury prone Dara M...injury prone David Moran... 35 mins now probably Paul Geaney....35 mins now probably Dan oD...injured Dylan Casey...untested Joe oConnor....untested Breen...injured Adrian S. 35 mins man maybe in top level contest. Who else am i leaving out. By 'untested' i mean has shown that he can be depended upon to produce the required level of performance in Croke Park in knockout championship football against a top opponent...because he has done it previously. I’d agree with you other than on Killian. He hasn’t done other than for about 20 mins in one game. I’m blue in the face from having this discussion, but he has had chance after chance over the last couple of years. We needed him to come up with something in the league this year I’d still make Dublin favourites and that semi final, if we do meet, will be a game that defines the next 5 years I think that's a bit unfair. He performed well throughout the 2019 championship and contributed as a starter or off the bench. I think he scored 3-4 points off either Donegal or Tyrone. He was picked to start the drawn AIF in 2019 and was replaced by Adrian (I think) at kickoff but obviously contributed well from the bench. The only championship game I remember him not contributing a couple of points or so as a sub was last years Tyrone game (possibly the 2019 replay as well). He didn't play well in this year's league since and is definitely behind Brosnan and Geaney in the pecking order but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
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Post by brucewayne on May 27, 2022 11:08:31 GMT
I’d agree with you other than on Killian. He hasn’t done other than for about 20 mins in one game. I’d still make Dublin favourites and that semi final, if we do meet, will be a game that defines the next 5 years I left out Burns and Gavin Crowley and Paul Murphy. Burns and Crowley fall into the 'untested' criteria. Paul Murphy has delivered previously but form has dipped. GC gets very little love here! I don't think he's a bad player, he's not a walkover anyway.
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Post by Aodhan on May 27, 2022 11:45:18 GMT
Killian has proven that he is far better of the bench. Up to this year, barring the Tyrone semi final he as kicked some sweet points when introduced off both left and right. For some reason his confidence has taken a big hit and it’s Jack’s and the rest of the management team’s job to address this. He should have come on against Mayo in the League Final and the Cork game when the result was a formality in an attempt to restore that confidence. Bringing him on in a pressure situation may not work right now. Hopefully he will get game time v Limerick. Killian’s return to form could well be the difference between Sam and no Sam.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 27, 2022 11:58:08 GMT
I'd say powder is being kept dry, some of it is in hide - in any event teams transform between say semis and D Day and what with the closed door and the fear of hyper media, the supporter is out in the cold here in every respect.
Dublin scraped AI's with 25-30 players so the bar is high.
Can Jack bring out the best in Killian - I hope a weight of expectation is not an issue?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 27, 2022 13:21:45 GMT
I am always wary of writing in the negative about any players. I will say my eyebrow was raised when Aaron Kernan said on the Colm Parkinson podcast something to the effect of 'he didn't get a chance in the league'.
When of course I think we know he did get a good chance. That people like Kernan who are generally well up on aspects of football news thinks that it paints a story about the impact he had in this year's league.
I still think his 2019 final goal was an outstanding bit of play... and pointed to a bravery and confidence that I cannot say I have seen much since.
Would Paul Geaney, who I am a massive fan of, would he have gotten game time during the 2000s? I think our forward unit is not quite at that level. OK, maybe Clifford may eclipse the Gooch, but on top of the Gooch we had Donaghy AND Declan O'Sullivan AND Paul Galvin. That is four outstanding forwards. I don't know have we got that quality today despite our forwards being constantly lauded.
Maybe this is not a fair comparison, I don't know.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 27, 2022 13:56:53 GMT
I am always wary of writing in the negative about any players. I will say my eyebrow was raised when Aaron Kernan said on the Colm Parkinson podcast something to the effect of 'he didn't get a chance in the league'. When of course I think we know he did get a good chance. That people like Kernan who are generally well up on aspects of football news thinks that it paints a story about the impact he had in this year's league. I still think his 2019 final goal was an outstanding bit of play... and pointed to a bravery and confidence that I cannot say I have seen much since. Would Paul Geaney, who I am a massive fan of, would he have gotten game time during the 2000s? I think our forward unit is not quite at that level. OK, maybe Clifford may eclipse the Gooch, but on top of the Gooch we had Donaghy AND Declan O'Sullivan AND Paul Galvin. That is four outstanding forwards. I don't know have we got that quality today despite our forwards being constantly lauded. Maybe this is not a fair comparison, I don't know. Ahh I think Seanie and Paidi are right up there. Until they make their own history in a Kerry jersey there will be doubts.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 27, 2022 14:00:44 GMT
I am always wary of writing in the negative about any players. I will say my eyebrow was raised when Aaron Kernan said on the Colm Parkinson podcast something to the effect of 'he didn't get a chance in the league'. When of course I think we know he did get a good chance. That people like Kernan who are generally well up on aspects of football news thinks that it paints a story about the impact he had in this year's league. I still think his 2019 final goal was an outstanding bit of play... and pointed to a bravery and confidence that I cannot say I have seen much since. Would Paul Geaney, who I am a massive fan of, would he have gotten game time during the 2000s? I think our forward unit is not quite at that level. OK, maybe Clifford may eclipse the Gooch, but on top of the Gooch we had Donaghy AND Declan O'Sullivan AND Paul Galvin. That is four outstanding forwards. I don't know have we got that quality today despite our forwards being constantly lauded. Maybe this is not a fair comparison, I don't know. Ahh I think Seanie and Paidi are right up there. Until they make their own history in a Kerry jersey there will be doubts. Seán Shea is your Declan O'Sullivan. You are missing a Donaghy and a Galvin. I love watching Paidi Clifford play but he has a bit to go before he is of the standard of the 2000s team... But as I said this is an unfair comparison probably. The 2000s team were up there with the very greatest in making six finals in a row.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 27, 2022 14:05:45 GMT
Ahh I think Seanie and Paidi are right up there. Until they make their own history in a Kerry jersey there will be doubts. Seán Shea is your Declan O'Sullivan. You are missing a Donaghy and a Galvin. I love watching Paidi Clifford play but he has a bit to go before he is of the standard of the 2000s team... But as I said this is an unfair comparison probably. The 2000s team were up there with the very greatest in making six finals in a row. That team in the 2000s had so much experience. I feel if these guys can just get over the line it would add so much to them for years to come.
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Post by keane on May 27, 2022 15:45:18 GMT
I am always wary of writing in the negative about any players. I will say my eyebrow was raised when Aaron Kernan said on the Colm Parkinson podcast something to the effect of 'he didn't get a chance in the league'. When of course I think we know he did get a good chance. That people like Kernan who are generally well up on aspects of football news thinks that it paints a story about the impact he had in this year's league. I still think his 2019 final goal was an outstanding bit of play... and pointed to a bravery and confidence that I cannot say I have seen much since. Would Paul Geaney, who I am a massive fan of, would he have gotten game time during the 2000s? I think our forward unit is not quite at that level. OK, maybe Clifford may eclipse the Gooch, but on top of the Gooch we had Donaghy AND Declan O'Sullivan AND Paul Galvin. That is four outstanding forwards. I don't know have we got that quality today despite our forwards being constantly lauded. Maybe this is not a fair comparison, I don't know. I think this is spot on.
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Post by playitfair on May 27, 2022 16:41:38 GMT
I’d agree with you other than on Killian. He hasn’t done other than for about 20 mins in one game. I’d still make Dublin favourites and that semi final, if we do meet, will be a game that defines the next 5 years I left out Burns and Gavin Crowley and Paul Murphy. Burns and Crowley fall into the 'untested' criteria. Paul Murphy has delivered previously but form has dipped. David Moran will be the reason if we win the all-ireland.
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Post by greengold35 on May 27, 2022 17:20:25 GMT
I'll be interested in the team this evening as someone told me this morning that we won a challenge game against Roscommon last weekend and one of main men picked up a slight muscular injury. Hopefully it's not accurate or if so it's only minor. I heard the same earlier - minor injury but player in question won’t be risked tomorrow.
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Post by dc84 on May 27, 2022 17:42:22 GMT
GC gets very little love here! I don't think he's a bad player, he's not a walkover anyway.
I was a big critic of Gavin Crowley at CB but as a wing back I have been impressed. Anytime during the league he was introduced at wing back he was very good. I would have no worries of him starting once it's not at CB. I agree in fairness to Gavin he never hides being at the games sometimes you would notice he always tried to make himself available for kickouts no matter the press
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Post by sullyschoice on May 27, 2022 18:07:48 GMT
I always liked seeing GC on the team.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 27, 2022 18:11:37 GMT
Killian has proven that he is far better of the bench. Up to this year, barring the Tyrone semi final he as kicked some sweet points when introduced off both left and right. For some reason his confidence has taken a big hit and it’s Jack’s and the rest of the management team’s job to address this. He should have come on against Mayo in the League Final and the Cork game when the result was a formality in an attempt to restore that confidence. Bringing him on in a pressure situation may not work right now. Hopefully he will get game time v Limerick. Killian’s return to form could well be the difference between Sam and no Sam. He has proved that in one game, against 14 men, 3 years ago. People need to get more current
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 27, 2022 18:49:08 GMT
I'll be interested in the team this evening as someone told me this morning that we won a challenge game against Roscommon last weekend and one of main men picked up a slight muscular injury. Hopefully it's not accurate or if so it's only minor. I heard the same earlier - minor injury but player in question won’t be risked tomorrow. Good because if we can't bate Limerick without him we can fold up the tent.
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