kerryexile
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Post by kerryexile on May 19, 2022 11:23:39 GMT
Talk about not being able to see the woods through the trees.
Over 2 pages of discussion, only 2 counties are mentioned as having won "soft" All Irelands - Kerry and Dublin.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2022 13:06:42 GMT
The people who dismiss All-Irelands as soft are the same type of people who say that Colm Cooper went missing vs Tyrone (despite being the top scorer on the field in all those massive three matches). Maybe it is fair to try and use the word "soft" to describe an All-Ireland that was different to others... but in general I don't think that is what people are trying to say. I think they are trying to say that those All-Irelands don't count as much when they all count. I think they are trying to dismiss and denigrate... the same way they try to do to the Gooch... Now some people are just ignorant... but when you put to them the facts about Gooch's performance in those games they do not change their mind. That screams to me bad faith. I have tried to use words like 'often', 'generally', etc. to convey I don't think EVERY use of the word "soft" is in bad faith. But in general it is a bit of a red rag. Now Annascaul the only one I ever heard saying Gooch went missing v Tyrone was Joe Brolly. On his scoring though he might have scored well in 05 and O8 but in 03 v Tyrone our top scorer was a sub Declan Quill with 2 points I don't know why I got my facts so wrong on 2003. Apologies. It isn't only Brolly that says that. Plenty of idiots parrot it too. And they be yackering* on about "soft" All Irelands too. *I got this word from a YouTube video of a famous speech in Aussie Rules. Yer man with the moustache Dipper quoting saying if they lost the final it would be "ten months of hard yacker" until they got to the final again. Well I went to Google 'yacker' there and instead found YAKKA which is an Aus word for very strenuous labour. Every day etc.
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Post by dc84 on May 19, 2022 13:10:45 GMT
Same thing as them being jacks bogey team even though he is 1:1. Speaking of Jack he lost to whom Tyrone 05,down 10,dublin 11 and Donegal 12 am i right in that ?
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Post by dc84 on May 23, 2022 7:47:07 GMT
4 hard to call games in that draw Mayo vs monaghan Clare vs Meath Cork vs Louth Armagh vs Tyrone
2 belters and good chance for both our munster neighbours in the other games.
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Post by john4 on May 23, 2022 7:59:57 GMT
4 hard to call games in that draw Mayo vs monaghan Clare vs Meath Cork vs Louth Armagh vs Tyrone 2 belters and good chance for both our munster neighbours in the other games. Great draw. All very even. Cork and Clare have a good chance of progressing and Armagh and Monaghan will give Mayo and Tyrone plenty. Yes, I can see Cork and Clare getting through also.
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2022 8:06:48 GMT
Only 2 from Mayo, Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone will be playing on 12th June.
Whichever 2 it is might even be drawn to play each other meaning 3 of those 4 will be done by 6pm on the 12th June.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on May 23, 2022 8:11:40 GMT
Only 2 from Mayo, Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone will be playing on 12th June. Whichever 2 it is might even be drawn to play each other meaning 3 of those 4 will be done by 6pm on the 12th June. The end of this qualifier round will leave 4 teams standing who will be drawn against the 4 losing provincial finalists. The earliest the winner of Mayo Monaghan and Tyrone Armagh can meet is the AI semi final should both winners keep winning.
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2022 8:22:32 GMT
Only 2 from Mayo, Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone will be playing on 12th June. Whichever 2 it is might even be drawn to play each other meaning 3 of those 4 will be done by 6pm on the 12th June. The end of this qualifier round will leave 4 teams standing who will be drawn against the 4 losing provincial finalists. The earliest the winner of Mayo Monaghan and Tyrone Armagh can meet is the AI semi final should both winners keep winning. thanks for that....thats good....the longer the big teams are kept apart, the better for big collisions at QF stage. If say Derry lose the Ulster final can they be drawn v Tyrone again if Tyrone win on 5th June....
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on May 23, 2022 8:37:32 GMT
The end of this qualifier round will leave 4 teams standing who will be drawn against the 4 losing provincial finalists. The earliest the winner of Mayo Monaghan and Tyrone Armagh can meet is the AI semi final should both winners keep winning. thanks for that....thats good....the longer the big teams are kept apart, the better for big collisions at QF stage. If say Derry lose the Ulster final can they be drawn v Tyrone again if Tyrone win on 5th June.... I can't confirm that one but since Offaly lost to Wexford and drew Wexford in the Tailteann, it's a possibility. I think the only restriction is on a q/f can't be a repeat of a provincial final so no chance of Kerry and Limerick pairing again but the qualifier team that beats the Munster finalist could be draw. For example, if Kerry won Munster and Tyrone beat Limerick then Kerry could draw Tyrone,but if Limerick beat Tyrone then Kerry could not meet Limerick at q/f stage.
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Post by dc84 on May 23, 2022 8:42:10 GMT
The end of this qualifier round will leave 4 teams standing who will be drawn against the 4 losing provincial finalists. The earliest the winner of Mayo Monaghan and Tyrone Armagh can meet is the AI semi final should both winners keep winning. thanks for that....thats good....the longer the big teams are kept apart, the better for big collisions at QF stage. If say Derry lose the Ulster final can they be drawn v Tyrone again if Tyrone win on 5th June.... Doubt it usually there is repeat pairings avoided where possible there. They could get mayo or armagh though.. I think I am right in saying that the losers of munster and leinster(or team that beats them) go to connacht/ Ulster winners side of the draw? So a high enough chance of us ( if we beat limerick) getting derry/Donegal or Galway/ rossies in 1/4. I could easily see one stacked side of the AI and one weaker. You could easily have kerry,dublin,Tyrone/armagh,mayo/monaghan ,Donegal, roscommon on one side and Galway,Derry, kildare,limerick cork/Meath/clare/Louth on the other. That would be some craic !
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 23, 2022 9:23:24 GMT
Tyrone will be really up against it and whoever come out of that will be battle hardened no doubt about it.
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Post by buck02 on May 23, 2022 10:06:06 GMT
Good to see the first team drawn out has home advantage. I don't suppose the provenical winners will have home advantage in the quarter finals
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2022 10:08:00 GMT
Tyrone will be really up against it and whoever come out of that will be battle hardened no doubt about it. Well i hope they are still standing on the 12th June. We need the top teams to be meeting in the summer like in the hurling. They will be a dangerous proposition with no dirty diesel at that stage. The 12th June will be exactly a year since Kerry put 6 goals past them in Killarney funnily enough.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 23, 2022 11:56:36 GMT
For me, Tyrone just about, but I'd hate to live off the difference, it will be close, Mayo as bad as they have been, there is always one kick in them and they for me have that edge. Both Monaghan and Mayo are inconsistent and flatter to deceive and must be a nightmare for their supporters, in the upstairs department the Derry defeat will have hurt more than the Galway one and will give an edge to Mayo.
Louth have been making inroads but Cork, for the honour of god, if they have any pride should win this clash. I think Clare have plateau'd, they were at their best last few years but unfortunately met Kerry year in year out, Meath were shocking against Dublin - this could go down to home advantage... again.. only just...
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2022 8:14:06 GMT
Darragh says that Kildare are lacking good defenders and man markers and this will mean that Dublin will prevail.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 25, 2022 8:16:04 GMT
Darragh says that Kildare are lacking good defenders and man markers and this will mean that Dublin will prevail. Hard to argue with that however it'll be interesting to see how the Dublin FB line do because I don't think they have enough solid man markers in that team.
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Post by jackiel on May 25, 2022 8:46:58 GMT
I was speaking to Barney Rock yesterday who claims the AI is Kerry's to lose - Dublin only playing with a second string team, too many injuries etc. In fairness they may have players to return, we're pretty much the finished article as it stands. They'll be only delighted if Kildare put up a good fight in the Leinster Final, they need matches to bring them on.
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2022 8:48:06 GMT
I was speaking to Barney Rock yesterday who claims the AI is Kerry's to lose - Dublin only playing with a second string team, too many injuries etc. In fairness they may have players to return, we're pretty much the finished article as it stands. They'll be only delighted if Kildare put up a good fight in the Leinster Final, they need matches to bring them on. Did you say 'yerra'
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Post by jackiel on May 25, 2022 8:49:56 GMT
Tempted Mick.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 25, 2022 9:22:17 GMT
I was speaking to Barney Rock yesterday who claims the AI is Kerry's to lose - Dublin only playing with a second string team, too many injuries etc. In fairness they may have players to return, we're pretty much the finished article as it stands. They'll be only delighted if Kildare put up a good fight in the Leinster Final, they need matches to bring them on. You can't cod a codder.
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2022 10:03:55 GMT
Will we predict the results from now on in football and give a one liner as to why? I will start off and see how it goes.
Kerry v Limerick.
Kerry. Far stronger panel and more better players.
Dublin v Kildare. Dublin. More efficient use of possession
Galway v Roscommon. Galway. Tradition and expecting to win a big game v Roscommon.
Donegal v Derry. Donegal. Winning an Ulster final at first attempt is not easy for an inexperience Derry side.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 25, 2022 10:52:45 GMT
Kerry - Just a gulf between both teams.
Dublin - Just about but wouldn't be shocked if Kildare beat them.
Derry - Story of the Summer so far.
Galway - So hard to call, The Rossies have beaten them twice this year but surely Galway will not allow that to happen again.
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Post by thehermit on May 25, 2022 11:14:05 GMT
Kerry Dublin - unfortunately Derry - if the occasion doesn't get to them I believe they'll just want this that bit more because an Ulster title will be a huge achievement. In contrast do any of the Donegal players really need another Ulster medal? Roscommon - Saw enough talent and spirit on display in the D2 final to make me think they are more than a match for Galway at any time. Moreover they'll be squarely marked down as underdogs by all the pundits this week. Its set up for another Rossie ambush.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 25, 2022 11:28:47 GMT
Derry Donegal is 50:50 - Derry are hungry though inexperienced while Dgal, well fed of silver AND have serious power play when they turn it on, two teams so contrasting so how will they react to one another's tactics?; with such scattery form it is purely guesswork here.
Depends on who and what turns up on the day, if I had to call an outcome I'd go for the draw.
Though somewhat less of a range in the form, Connaught is also unpredictable.
I suppose, well hope, that the only upset could be in Leinster - maybe the upset will be that the 4 favourites come home.
A fella wouldn't want to have any more to be doing, what with so many competitive games - is it the busiest weekend ever?
The issue here is that 2 finals are currently uninteresting but that isn't the system IMO, Long live provincial finals!
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Post by thehermit on May 25, 2022 11:34:56 GMT
Darragh says that Kildare are lacking good defenders and man markers and this will mean that Dublin will prevail. Never knew Charlie McCreevy was involved with them, how was it when all that money was sloshing around Government coffers in the Celtic Tiger madness he didn't manage to build his county a decent ground
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2022 13:45:26 GMT
Kerry v Limerick... Kerry too good. Dubs v Kildare.. Dubs have the know hoe Donegal v Derry.. Just about. Galway v Rossies.. Galway. It's too much to lose 3 games in a row to their neighbours Who are you saying will win the Ulster final
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2022 15:20:40 GMT
Yerra is right. Ciarán Whelan said the same. It's the common narrative around Dublin at the mó and in a way they are right but privately many Dubs feel Dublin have a great chance and they are right in that too. I too think we in Kerry have the best panel so it's ours to lose but mistakes can happen. On what basis is Kerrys the best panel. Dara M and Stefan O appear to be injury prone. I think back to the Sigerson when 3 of the panel got themselves sent off in the last minute when the game was there to be saved. It didnt inspire confidence in the panel in me anyway.
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Post by tpo on May 25, 2022 15:36:40 GMT
I'd be shocked if Derry win, they wont catch Donegal on the counter attack
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 25, 2022 15:43:38 GMT
Yerra is right. Ciarán Whelan said the same. It's the common narrative around Dublin at the mó and in a way they are right but privately many Dubs feel Dublin have a great chance and they are right in that too. I too think we in Kerry have the best panel so it's ours to lose but mistakes can happen. On what basis is Kerrys the best panel. Dara M and Stefan O appear to be injury prone. I think back to the Sigerson when 3 of the panel got themselves sent off in the last minute when the game was there to be saved. It didnt inspire confidence in the panel in me anyway. Look at their bench against Meath and again on Sat and I think it's obvious. Most Dubs who understand the game will admit as much also. A lot of Dubs don't rate their chances and a quick look at their own page will support that point too. A good friend of mine who calls things as he sees it thinks Kerry are 10 points better. I don't but I do think that Kerry could seriously expose that FB line. I go back to my point that I've made 100 times, Fitzsimons is 33 and played with Mccarthy in 2011.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 25, 2022 16:50:44 GMT
Look at their bench against Meath and again on Sat and I think it's obvious. Most Dubs who understand the game will admit as much also. A lot of Dubs don't rate their chances and a quick look at their own page will support that point too. A good friend of mine who calls things as he sees it thinks Kerry are 10 points better. I don't but I do think that Kerry could seriously expose that FB line. I go back to my point that I've made 100 times, Fitzsimons is 33 and played with Mccarthy in 2011. Kerry can expose Dublin's fb line if they don't play a sweeper but if we meet them I'm sure Brian Howard's will play as a sweeper and he s very good at it. I know Mick Fitz and James Mac are there since 11 and although Fitz s pace has slowed he still good and James Mccarthy still best half back in Ireland imo. If we are to win Sam I think David Moran will have a big part to play and he is on Kerry panel since 2008 If Dublin play Howard as a sweeper that's a win for Kerry in my opinion. He Is a half forward or midfielder at most. But most Dubs I know hate seeing him in the backs. When has he played well as a sweeper ?
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