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Post by thehermit on May 13, 2022 21:25:07 GMT
Never mind that Ulster and Leinster sh*te, who's going to win the big one tomorrow in Thurles???
Form would suggest Limerick, I watched the D3 final and they were impressive and unlucky maybe not to win. They look like a big physical side with lots of stamina.
Derry/Monaghan is a tough one to call, in all honestly I haven't seen enough of Derry to make a proper judgement and Monaghan are the old dog for the hard road. Wouldn't be surprised if its another Monaghan v Donegal Ulster final.
Expecting a Kildare v Dublin Leinster final too, Meath seemed to be progressing well enough around 2019/2020 but that's all stalled and started to go backwards these past two seasons.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 13, 2022 21:36:01 GMT
I have a sinking dread about Dublin having a serious kick in them... but they were playing a Div 4 team in Wexford.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 13, 2022 21:55:54 GMT
I think Dessie Farrell has been given a bit of a reprieve as all the talk is of Ulster, Kerry and Mayo’s demise, they will go about their business quietly and half under the radar. Truth be told with the exception of the Ulster championship this years grapple for Sam will not take life until the quarters.
This is the most dangerous stages for the teams with ambitions as they go in half cold but ya, testing times ahead.
As for this weekend, A Galway, Limerick, Derry, Dublin and Kildare accumulator pays 9’s.
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Post by john4 on May 13, 2022 22:05:22 GMT
Never mind that Ulster and Leinster sh*te, who's going to win the big one tomorrow in Thurles??? Form would suggest Limerick, I watched the D3 final and they were impressive and unlucky maybe not to win. They look like a big physical side with lots of stamina. Derry/Monaghan is a tough one to call, in all honestly I haven't seen enough of Derry to make a proper judgement and Monaghan are the old dog for the hard road. Wouldn't be surprised if its another Monaghan v Donegal Ulster final. Expecting a Kildare v Dublin Leinster final too, Meath seemed to be progressing well enough around 2019/2020 but that's all stalled and started to go backwards these past two seasons. I'd agree regarding the Limerick - Tipperary match. This could be the game of the weekend. 2 honest open footballing teams. Should be a good contest.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 13, 2022 23:29:45 GMT
The element of surprise is gone now from Derry and their whole focus was on Tyrone. I think Monaghan will prevail.. I don’t know Ciarrai Mick, I think the Derry win may have totally upset the Monaghan preparation, I envisage Banty and Co would have been planning and honing a system and form of play to counteract and try expose certain aspects of Tyrone play. I envisage the amount of time put aside to watch, study and scrutinise Tyrone would have been massive. All this time and effort was rendered null and void and confined to the scrap heat the minute the final whistle went in the Derry and Tyrone game. Ok I agree the element of surprise is gone from Derry but still, I think they are in the better place and with all their belief, they would have looked beyond Tyrone, Monaghan probably didn’t look beyond Tyrone, for this reason, I think there is a bounce in Derry and they may be the better prepared team. I have a sneaky feeling for the Derry boys. Yez are laughin stock - ah seriously these two teams will go hell and Lucifer for leather and the only certainty is that night will follow day. It could be entertaining, and not just that it might be nip and tuck all the way, it might be a long evening and it is hard to say where there won't be a cow milked. My take on it is that both know they have the measure of each other and while I see a subtle powered Donegal doing well against the victors, either can't wait for a crack at em, with the red lamhs out of the way. Ulster 'the year' as they put it up here might be the perfect storm, ie who wants it most - of 3 under fed bunches of right hearty hardy hoors, take your pick! I'll be enjoyin it in the company of all of em and I have no idea who's cows I'll have to milk, but one thing for sure, I won't be milkin a Kerry cow on all Ireland day, the last time I did was as a substitute for a 5 day week farmer back in the day!
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 15, 2022 9:21:46 GMT
Well the Dublin bench today is very underwhelming to say the least. I can't attach the program but you'd be amazed how poor it is.
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Post by Mickmack on May 15, 2022 16:47:35 GMT
Dublin look the real deal today. Those so called expert who wrote the Dubs off after their demotion in the league might have aired their views too soon. You can only imagine the motivation all that rubbish gave Dublin.
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Post by gaelicden on May 15, 2022 17:07:28 GMT
We'll know where the real Dublin are after the Kildare game I feel. Meath have been utterly hopeless all year and yet they still scored 1-14.
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Post by onlykerry on May 15, 2022 17:21:04 GMT
The picture is beginning to take shape
Four Provincial finals in two weeks time pits Dublin V Kildare Kerry V Limerick Galway V Roscommon Donegal V Derry
The eight teams in the open draw Qualifier hat are Mayo, Armagh, Clare, Tyrone, Louth, Cork, Monaghan & Meath
The draw will be all important as there are some relatively weak teams still hanging around and there are some dangerous teams lurking. The winners of qualifier round 1 plays a beaten provincial finalist with the winner then being drawn in the AI QF against a provincial winner.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 15, 2022 17:25:20 GMT
. [/quote]Yez are laughin stock ![/quote]
I don’t know CiarraiMick as I alluded to, Derry have been impressive and As expected Monaghans game plan surrounded around Tyrone and was not geared to Derry.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on May 15, 2022 17:34:22 GMT
The picture is beginning to take shape Four Provincial finals in two weeks time pits Dublin V Kildare Kerry V Limerick Galway V Roscommon Donegal V Derry The eight teams in the open draw Qualifier hat are Mayo, Armagh, Clare, Tyrone, Louth, Cork, Monaghan & Meath The draw will be all important as there are some relatively weak teams still hanging around and there are some dangerous teams lurking. The winners of qualifier round 1 plays a beaten provincial finalist with the winner then being drawn in the AI QF against a provincial winner. Anyone know when the qualifier draw is?
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Post by onlykerry on May 15, 2022 17:55:23 GMT
The picture is beginning to take shape Four Provincial finals in two weeks time pits Dublin V Kildare Kerry V Limerick Galway V Roscommon Donegal V Derry The eight teams in the open draw Qualifier hat are Mayo, Armagh, Clare, Tyrone, Louth, Cork, Monaghan & Meath The draw will be all important as there are some relatively weak teams still hanging around and there are some dangerous teams lurking. The winners of qualifier round 1 plays a beaten provincial finalist with the winner then being drawn in the AI QF against a provincial winner. Anyone know when the qualifier draw is? Tailteann Cup Draw is tomorrow at 8.35 on RTE Radio 1 - presume the Qualifiers will be at same time as the games are scheduled for Saturday June 5th and all teams are now known - plus there is no preliminary game required as its a simple 8.
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Post by givehimaball on May 15, 2022 18:08:21 GMT
Anyone know when the qualifier draw is? Tailteann Cup Draw is tomorrow at 8.35 on RTE Radio 1 - presume the Qualifiers will be at same time as the games are scheduled for Saturday June 5th and all teams are now known - plus there is no preliminary game required as its a simple 8. Sam Maguire draw is Wednesday I think. Not 100% though. Definitely not tomorrow. Was felt it would take focus away from the Tailteann Cup if both drawn at the same time.
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Post by Mickmack on May 15, 2022 19:24:37 GMT
The element of surprise is gone now from Derry and their whole focus was on Tyrone. I think Monaghan will prevail.. I don’t know Ciarrai Mick, I think the Derry win may have totally upset the Monaghan preparation, I envisage Banty and Co would have been planning and honing a system and form of play to counteract and try expose certain aspects of Tyrone play. I envisage the amount of time put aside to watch, study and scrutinise Tyrone would have been massive. All this time and effort was rendered null and void and confined to the scrap heat the minute the final whistle went in the Derry and Tyrone game. Ok I agree the element of surprise is gone from Derry but still, I think they are in the better place and with all their belief, they would have looked beyond Tyrone, Monaghan probably didn’t look beyond Tyrone, for this reason, I think there is a bounce in Derry and they may be the better prepared team. I have a sneaky feeling for the Derry boys. Fair play to you. You were bang on the money about Derry.
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Post by kerryexile on May 15, 2022 19:53:42 GMT
I watched the Dublin Meath game today. Dublin started at a blistering pace. Meath didn't know what hit them and never recovered. At times they looked like a badly organised junior B team. The defence didn't just give Dublin acres of space, they gave them oceans of space. Dublin are not the coordinated force they were but are flying fit, very accurate and are game for whatever needs to be done. That is the point. Previously they dictated everything now they are willing to fight a 50:50 battle. They are beatable but it may not happen in Leinster. Kildare struggled with a mediocre Westmeath team.
As I understand it Westmeath are now in the Tailteann cup. They will give it a right go. They are not a great team but have some very good players.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 15, 2022 19:58:21 GMT
You can only imagine the motivation all that rubbish gave Dublin. True Mick. I would still be very wary if Dublin. Meath were so abject today Dublin got as much of a test as they did against Wexford. A few Meath lads said they never seen them as bad. I doubt many saw the match day panel as I alluded to this morning but after the first 15 they have very few options on the bench. I'm not sure who the experts who wrote off Dublin are but I called their form based on their league and called them to be relegated and they were. Have they done anything massively impressive since ? Beat Wexford and a appalling Meath. If Kildare can tighten up at the back as they were quite open today then we will know more about Dublin.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 15, 2022 20:23:53 GMT
Meath were so abject today Dublin got as much of a test as they did against Wexford. A few Meath lads said they never seen them as bad. I doubt many saw the match day panel as I alluded to this morning but after the first 15 they have very few options on the bench. I'm not sure who the experts who wrote off Dublin are but I called their form based on their league and called them to be relegated and they were. Have they done anything massively impressive since ? Beat Wexford and a appalling Meath. If Kildare can tighten up at the back as they were quite open today then we will know more about Dublin. I just think Dublin were on the road for so long they were bound to have a hiccup and they did by getting relegated. I must admit I thought they would survive but they were missing players but they have a few back now including Con Ó Callaghan. Their bench is not as strong as the old days but they still had Johnny Cooper Paddy Small and Niall Scully to come on. I still think that Dublin team can win Sam this year. I don’t think any of those are game changers really. In their prime it was Connolly, brogan, mcmenimen or MDMA. I don't think you will win Sam with a strong 15 you need a strong 20+ especially in a condensed season. The Dublin FB line is probably their weakest line which a good team will expose. Look if they avoid injuries then who knows but I don't see a team with a weak bench winning the all ireland.
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Post by mike70 on May 15, 2022 22:23:04 GMT
After watching Derry Monaghan I'm wondering about their defense. Donie Buckley is with Monaghan and their defense was tore assunder today. Many lamented Donie s loss in Kerry at the time. might be a bit harsh on the defence, they conceded 12 points, Derry got 18 points against Tyrone, but the old adage goals win games was very evident today, and Monaghan can be disappointed with the concession of 3 goals.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 16, 2022 0:23:54 GMT
I don’t know Ciarrai Mick, I think the Derry win may have totally upset the Monaghan preparation, I envisage Banty and Co would have been planning and honing a system and form of play to counteract and try expose certain aspects of Tyrone play. I envisage the amount of time put aside to watch, study and scrutinise Tyrone would have been massive. All this time and effort was rendered null and void and confined to the scrap heat the minute the final whistle went in the Derry and Tyrone game. Ok I agree the element of surprise is gone from Derry but still, I think they are in the better place and with all their belief, they would have looked beyond Tyrone, Monaghan probably didn’t look beyond Tyrone, for this reason, I think there is a bounce in Derry and they may be the better prepared team. I have a sneaky feeling for the Derry boys. Fair play to you. You were bang on the money about Derry. Yip good call and Derry really took the game by the scruff. They also have high hopes, I know because they say this is far as they will get, rogues like us all. I suppose the question is did the Farneys have an off day or did Derry outplay them and as this is generally a guess, my guess is the latter and which makes for a massive Ulster final. Till today I thought Dgal would be able for the victors but that performance has me 50 50 and whoever comes out on top won't fear anyone. You can always rely on the gaa to throw up a surprise and long may that be the case. BBC put on a good show and Mickey Harte made a few good observations, a lot of stuff coming from his Tyrone style and seldom have I seen him so relaxed. Pity we can't have him on RTE and I'd to hear him on games where Ulster aren't involved. Himself and PatS would be panto box office with Brolly for good measure, sure they'd be no interest in the game with the show they'd make of themselves.
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2022 8:00:12 GMT
Dublin's bench is weaker that it was when they were winning All Ireland Finals by 6 points. No question.
But how much weaker is the Dublin bench vis a vis Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, Galway, Mayo etc.
Thats the question.
They are so united and driven this year that their starting 15 could put them 10 ahead in games by half time and opponents will be running their subs earlier to stay in and save the game.
They know the drill of ruthlessly closing out big games. That game v Mayo was an aberration but their heads werent right last year anyway.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 16, 2022 8:14:08 GMT
Getting way ahead of myself here but if Dublin and Kerry meet then I think you can see something similar to 2013.
Kerry stalwarts nearing the end against a young Dublin team with experience and a huge panel, Kilkenny,Mannion,Rock all newbies.
Who are Dublins impact players now ? Scully or Paddy Small ? Not for me.
They have also lost McDaid and Byrne from the backs which leaves little room for further injuries.
Kerrys bench looks superior with the likes of Geaney, Moran, Murphy to come in
It's funny because their form line from last June to end of the league was very poor yet the win 2 games against abject opposition and straight away they are back.[ If Kerry did that to Clare the same posters would be urging caution.
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Post by dc84 on May 16, 2022 8:54:46 GMT
Dublin beat the 2nd or thrid worst team in the country in wexford and an average d2 team in Meath so far. Much like ourselves it hard to know where they are until they play better opposition, kildare game should give us a better idea. If they dominate midfield and can keep the pressure off their backs then they are going to look amazing because their forwards are as good as any teams its when the mf is under pressure and good ball is going into quality forwards that we will see they shipped a lot of big scores in the league and there has been no golden parachute like con o callaghan dropped in back there to give a boost. A lot being asked of a 34 year old Fitzsimons back there super player but time waits for no one and the lads around him and on the bench are not the same calliber. Still think they will beat kildare by 3/4 plus as they are better than them and at home.
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Post by thehermit on May 16, 2022 9:02:31 GMT
You might have a point there Royal, Dublin beat a poor D2 side by 12 points and they're back in bussiness. We do the same to Cork and all the focus is on questions marks over Kerry.
It will be interesting to see if Kilare (who already beat them this year) can give them a rattle.
In reality we might not understand where Dublin are until the Q-finals and even then they could get an easy draw.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 16, 2022 10:52:02 GMT
Conclusive debate on Dublin, Kerry or indeed any county is pointless until we get to the business end of things - that is why we have a business end of things!
The Garda county flopped against us but the Red Hands did what they had to do, and Cork had us under threat, if momentarily.
Now there is Derry and others are delighted they aren't even mentioned - so there is a concern here, I think we have the football but have we the mental steel?
Dublin may be drained and I know I keep saying it but no team will claim Sam without a good manager, the best. Put them in charge of any of the top teams and you may have the winning hand. So maybe we need to start developing a pipeline of managers as well as of players, just like is done in progressive organisations. As for finding the right candidates, well sin sceal eile for la eile.
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Post by glengael on May 16, 2022 11:48:42 GMT
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on May 16, 2022 12:15:23 GMT
The Tailteann Cup is very GAA. Confusing and nonsensical in its operation. North v South 🙈 The reward for Wexford progressing v Offaly is to play Offaly again. The winning team played more matches and is in the same spot as the team they beat. 😂
We need to see John Horan's texts as I doubt RTÉ gave two fiddlers for this competition. I'm wondering which county pulls out first, possibly not wanting to pay the travel costs of going to New York.
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2022 12:18:07 GMT
You might have a point there Royal, Dublin beat a poor D2 side by 12 points and they're back in bussiness. We do the same to Cork and all the focus is on questions marks over Kerry. There is the small matter of Dublin players with 6 or 7 medals in their pockets since 2015 whereas Kerry have none. How can you compare the two counties. But if you must, Cork asked plenty of good questions of Kerry for 50 minutes but the disparity in the respective subs meant Kerry pulled away. One such question is whether Kerry can score enough against a well organised defense who put two men on DC. Having only 10 points on the board after 50 mins v Cork is a concern for me.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 16, 2022 13:44:51 GMT
Dublins bench yesterday,
Niall Scully Paddy Small Johnny Cooper Evan Comerford Shane Clayton David Lacey Cameron McCormack Ross McGarry Emmet O'Conghaile
Nobody's disputing their first 15 and the medals they have however you can't tell me that the above list should strike fear into any of the contenders for Sam.
It's the bench that will win this not the first 15 particularly when some of those lads are the wrong side of 30.
It's ok against Leinster teams but when changes are needed who do they bring in?
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Post by givehimaball on May 16, 2022 14:44:27 GMT
The Tailteann Cup is very GAA. Confusing and nonsensical in its operation. North v South 🙈 The reward for Wexford progressing v Offaly is to play Offaly again. The winning team played more matches and is in the same spot as the team they beat. 😂 We need to see John Horan's texts as I doubt RTÉ gave two fiddlers for this competition. I'm wondering which county pulls out first, possibly not wanting to pay the travel costs of going to New York. No county is going to pull out because the punishment for not fielding is that they would be suspended for the first round of the championship next year. No-one will be travelling to New York - all New York's games are in Ireland.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 16, 2022 15:32:56 GMT
Getting way ahead of myself here but if Dublin and Kerry meet then I think you can see something similar to 2013. Kerry stalwarts nearing the end against a young Dublin team with experience and a huge panel, Kilkenny,Mannion,Rock all newbies. Who are Dublins impact players now ? Scully or Paddy Small ? Not for me. They have also lost McDaid and Byrne from the backs which leaves little room for further injuries. Kerrys bench looks superior with the likes of Geaney, Moran, Murphy to come in It's funny because their form line from last June to end of the league was very poor yet the win 2 games against abject opposition and straight away they are back.[ If Kerry did that to Clare the same posters would be urging caution. I know what you ré saying Royal but also the reality is that Dublin should have beaten Mayo last year. After the Small /McLoughlin incident the ref gave Mayo some very handy free to comeback into game None more so than when he gave Mayo a tap over free for pulling Comerford for over carrying which was totally wrong. Dubs have got most refs decisions in croker over the years but last year they def did nt and only for ref would have been in final. Now would Tyrone have beaten them? I'd guess not! At the moment they are only beating what's in front of them but they still so so strong and the all ireland is not beyond them at all. Last time they were relegated they won Sam. Mick Fitzsimons started the 2011 all ireland final if I'm not mistaken. Leinster is just awful so who knows what will happen but I certainly hope we get a crack at Dublin.
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