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Post by dc84 on Apr 25, 2022 17:38:00 GMT
Wexford will be in tailteann cup if they lose to Dublin. The only way a division 3/4 team can avoid the tailteann cup is to reach their provincial final. My reading (no explanation anywhere) is provided none of the following reach a provincial final, I imagine it is first Limerick, then Louth, then Cork and then Clare would be moved to Tailteann for each Division 3/4 team that reaches their provincial final. That's a good point I had actually thought it would be the other way around ie d2 teams would miss out ie cork first then clare hmmm very interesting. Of course what happens if for example clare make the final assume they are in qualifiers? Gas a good few unknowns we could end up in court yet in time honoured gaa nonsense style!
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Post by dc84 on Apr 25, 2022 17:51:03 GMT
also their half time analysis is streets ahead of RTE. It helps that there are no add breaks but the actual in depth analysis of the game was brilliant. Having Peter the Great and Oisin McConville discussing matches at half/full time ensures you have actual quality analysis. Pat is too stat heavy but not explaining the problems. Fine to say 16/31 scores converted on a superficial level but he needs to explain where the shots were coming from, poor attack on the left wing. What should Mayo do to fix this/what is Galway doing well here? Stats are part of the job, integrating the stats into your analysis is more important. If I was playing against Mayo I'd be pushing them to the left wing as they found close to no joy attacking from that side. Cora is not good. One of the greatest footballers but not a good pundit. I think Noelle Healy is the best new pundit they found but I'm worried that she might be relegated down while Whelan returns to the championship pundit panel. Whelan is fine for the most part when his own county isn't involved. But that's almost true of any of them, you'd rather neutrals that don't cover for their own team. Colour commentators need to be given matches covered by Eamonn Fitzmaurice as a guide of the standard they need to look for. Yesterday was a masterclass and showed the gulf is quality compared with others on the books (Dolan). One thing is I'm thankful for is no Brolly on tv. The sooner the media circus around him goes the better. Canavan is great mchugh isn't great and I usually like mcconville but the 2 lads are 2 close to it one has a son playing and the other 3 nephews I think it's better to have all neutral tbh I'm sick of silly bickering. Fitzmaurice is fantastic coupled with moloney they are just superb. Spillane should be sent out to pasture at this stage he thinks he is fact based but he isn't. Mayos problem in the forwards is quite simple the half backs and midfielders just don't give them early ball as they want to score themselves the only time they get it is when the lads breaking up field run out of road. Rochford had them more diverse in their play and mixed it way better with quick ball to Moran inside Ryan o donoghue could be used similarly and is faster than andy. The players love horan and why wouldn't they he will keep playing the old guard. The biggest mistake they made was making Cillian the main man up front and o donoghue and mayo struggled as a result
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 25, 2022 18:00:04 GMT
It is I am sorry to say pure GAA that we don't actually know what happens when Div 3/4 teams reach a provincial final.
I assumed that it would just mean more teams in Sam Maguire and fewer teams in Tailteann Cup.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 25, 2022 18:18:30 GMT
It is I am sorry to say pure GAA that we don't actually know what happens when Div 3/4 teams reach a provincial final. I assumed that it would just mean more teams in Sam Maguire and fewer teams in Tailteann Cup. We are agreed something will happen though! Probably a playoff or 3rd round of qualifiers
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Post by clarinman on Apr 25, 2022 19:16:53 GMT
My reading (no explanation anywhere) is provided none of the following reach a provincial final, I imagine it is first Limerick, then Louth, then Cork and then Clare would be moved to Tailteann for each Division 3/4 team that reaches their provincial final. That's a good point I had actually thought it would be the other way around ie d2 teams would miss out ie cork first then clare hmmm very interesting. Of course what happens if for example clare make the final assume they are in qualifiers? Gas a good few unknowns we could end up in court yet in time honoured gaa nonsense style! This has all been decided. There will be a preliminary qualifying round if a division 3/4 team reaches a provincial final. All division 1/2 teams are guaranteed a place in the qualifiers if beaten in their provincial championship.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 25, 2022 23:44:54 GMT
Having Peter the Great and Oisin McConville discussing matches at half/full time ensures you have actual quality analysis. Pat is too stat heavy but not explaining the problems. Fine to say 16/31 scores converted on a superficial level but he needs to explain where the shots were coming from, poor attack on the left wing. What should Mayo do to fix this/what is Galway doing well here? Stats are part of the job, integrating the stats into your analysis is more important. If I was playing against Mayo I'd be pushing them to the left wing as they found close to no joy attacking from that side. Cora is not good. One of the greatest footballers but not a good pundit. I think Noelle Healy is the best new pundit they found but I'm worried that she might be relegated down while Whelan returns to the championship pundit panel. Whelan is fine for the most part when his own county isn't involved. But that's almost true of any of them, you'd rather neutrals that don't cover for their own team. Colour commentators need to be given matches covered by Eamonn Fitzmaurice as a guide of the standard they need to look for. Yesterday was a masterclass and showed the gulf is quality compared with others on the books (Dolan). One thing is I'm thankful for is no Brolly on tv. The sooner the media circus around him goes the better. Canavan is great mchugh isn't great and I usually like mcconville but the 2 lads are 2 close to it one has a son playing and the other 3 nephews I think it's better to have all neutral tbh I'm sick of silly bickering. Fitzmaurice is fantastic coupled with moloney they are just superb. Spillane should be sent out to pasture at this stage he thinks he is fact based but he isn't. Mayos problem in the forwards is quite simple the half backs and midfielders just don't give them early ball as they want to score themselves the only time they get it is when the lads breaking up field run out of road. Rochford had them more diverse in their play and mixed it way better with quick ball to Moran inside Ryan o donoghue could be used similarly and is faster than andy. The players love horan and why wouldn't they he will keep playing the old guard. The biggest mistake they made was making Cillian the main man up front and o donoghue and mayo struggled as a result I think McHugh is grand these days and with Peter The Great, they show how hard it is to comment on your own - ah jazus PatS spoke from his heart re the best footballer ever and look where that got us. Still he rightly called Tyrone out on Covid, and sure I got slated here for agreeing with him. Yez have no respect for the likes of PatS and me!!!
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Post by inforthebreaks on Apr 26, 2022 8:24:44 GMT
The qualifiers should be brilliant this year. no too much dead wood there
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Post by dc84 on Apr 26, 2022 8:49:53 GMT
The qualifiers should be brilliant this year. no too much dead wood there Yeah should be , a lot of commentators saying that armagh or mayo will build through the back door but it cpuld become a trap door easily. Below are the teams that I think will be there Armagh Mayo Derry Monaghan/Tyrone Cork Limerick Meath/kildare Louth Some tricky customers in there No one would fancy armagh,mayo or monaghan/Tyrone. Is it home venue for first out or neutral does anyone know? Trips to newbridge aren't much fun as kerry, dublin and monaghan found out this year!
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 26, 2022 8:57:28 GMT
That's a good point I had actually thought it would be the other way around ie d2 teams would miss out ie cork first then clare hmmm very interesting. Of course what happens if for example clare make the final assume they are in qualifiers? Gas a good few unknowns we could end up in court yet in time honoured gaa nonsense style! This has all been decided. There will be a preliminary qualifying round if a division 3/4 team reaches a provincial final. All division 1/2 teams are guaranteed a place in the qualifiers if beaten in their provincial championship. Using Cavan as an example (say the only Div 3/4 team to reach the provincial final and lose) Is it Cavan play a knockout game v one of the Div 1/2 teams before the qualifiers start proper, or Do 2 Div 1/2 teams play an additional qualifier game so say Mayo and Armagh win their knockout game and could be drawn against each other before the draw of qualifiers v provincial finalists? I imagine it's worse again to understand the back door if Cavan win Ulster
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Post by dc84 on Apr 26, 2022 9:34:46 GMT
This has all been decided. There will be a preliminary qualifying round if a division 3/4 team reaches a provincial final. All division 1/2 teams are guaranteed a place in the qualifiers if beaten in their provincial championship. Using Cavan as an example (say the only Div 3/4 team to reach the provincial final and lose) Is it Cavan play a knockout game v one of the Div 1/2 teams before the qualifiers start proper, or Do 2 Div 1/2 teams play an additional qualifier game so say Mayo and Armagh win their knockout game and could be drawn against each other before the draw of qualifiers v provincial finalists? I imagine it's worse again to understand the back door if Cavan win Ulster Easier if cavan win it surely be one of monaghan/tyrone/Derry so no issue
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Post by clarinman on Apr 26, 2022 9:40:40 GMT
This has all been decided. There will be a preliminary qualifying round if a division 3/4 team reaches a provincial final. All division 1/2 teams are guaranteed a place in the qualifiers if beaten in their provincial championship. Using Cavan as an example (say the only Div 3/4 team to reach the provincial final and lose) Is it Cavan play a knockout game v one of the Div 1/2 teams before the qualifiers start proper, or Do 2 Div 1/2 teams play an additional qualifier game so say Mayo and Armagh win their knockout game and could be drawn against each other before the draw of qualifiers v provincial finalists? I imagine it's worse again to understand the back door if Cavan win Ulster Irrespective of the league division they are in, the provincial winners progress to the quarter finals and the provincial final losers progress to round 2 of the qualifiers. Round one of the qualifiers is for those teams from division 1/2 who did not make their provincial final. The simplest scenario is if the provincial finals are made up of 8 division 1/2 teams. That leaves the remaining 8 division 1/2 teams to contest round 1 of the qualifiers. The winners of round 1 meet the provincial final losers in round 2. Round 2 winners progress to the quarter finals to meet the provincial winners. It becomes more complicated if a division 3/4 team like Cavan makes their provincial final. This will leave 9 division 1/2 teams who have not made the provincial finals. 7 will receive a bye into round 1 of the qualifiers and the remaining 2 teams will play preliminary qualifier round. A counties League status is based on the division they will play in the 2023 league.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 26, 2022 14:09:46 GMT
Thanks clarinman very good explanation! It could happen in our own province too with tipp ! If one of them do it cavan/tipp then they both will they seem to have a weird symbiotic relationship !
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 26, 2022 21:14:56 GMT
Con oCallaghan is back for Dublin
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2022 6:55:01 GMT
Con oCallaghan is back for Dublin And James McCarthy is captain. He was captain during the league in 2021 while they awaited the return of Cluxton. At the start of the championship, Cooper was made captain...a club mate of Dessie from Na Fianna. It wasnt a great move shall we say.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 29, 2022 10:27:53 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 30, 2022 13:36:04 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 30, 2022 18:48:51 GMT
There is a lad on the bench for Limerick whose club is down as Firies.
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Post by john4 on Apr 30, 2022 18:56:53 GMT
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Post by gaelicden on Apr 30, 2022 19:25:10 GMT
Clare v Limerick gone to penalties. I know the opinions on penalty shootouts will differ, but jaysus that's the match we should be watching on tv. Not that S*"'te I we witnessed from Wexford park
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Post by john4 on Apr 30, 2022 19:29:46 GMT
Clare v Limerick gone to penalties. I know the opinions on penalty shootouts will differ, but jaysus that's the match we should be watching on tv. Not that S*"'te I we witnessed from Wexford park 2 teams who will be competing in Division 2 next year overlooked so we can have the opportunity to watch Dublin hammer the sh*the out of a division 4 team. They haven't a clue!
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 30, 2022 19:43:47 GMT
Limerick v Tipperary in the other Munster Semi-Final. I know we played Tipp last year in Thurles and I think the last time we played Limerick in Munster was in the Gaelic Grounds in 2011 (correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not 100% on that). That would mean if Kerry were to beat Cork the Munster Final will be in Killarney?
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Post by john4 on Apr 30, 2022 19:48:35 GMT
Limerick v Tipperary in the other Munster Semi-Final. I know we played Tipp last year in Thurles and I think the last time we played Limerick in Munster was in the Gaelic Grounds in 2011 (correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not 100% on that). That would mean if Kerry were to beat Cork the Munster Final will be in Killarney? Yes. Unless of course that Limerick or Tipperary want it played in Kilmallock or Ballyporeen or somewhere like that, then I suppose we'll have to play away with them aswell 🤔🤔
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 30, 2022 23:50:02 GMT
Cork V Kerry will be the final two counties to take the field in the 2022 Championship - May 1st sees Kildare, Derry and Meath enter the fray and only 5 division 3 or 4 teams are still in the "A" championship on May 1st
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2022 7:53:47 GMT
In the process of beating Down, Monaghan got 23 points from 25 scoring attempts.
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2022 15:42:16 GMT
Even though the Tyrone lad didnt even make contact, the ref was within his rights in giving a red card. Such indiscipline has been a problem for Tyrone in 2022. Hampsey could have got a black card too.
7 points down and a man down. Unless Derry go down to 14 men early in the second half, its hard to see how Tyrone can save this game as they wont get enough possession from restarts if its 15 v 14.
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Post by The16thMan on May 1, 2022 16:56:40 GMT
Are Tyrone what they are built up to be? Are Mayo what they are built up to be also. I still think Kerry's main rival is Dublin and remains to be so. They have the players most capable of beating Kerry
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2022 17:07:41 GMT
Had Tyrone won today they would be playing Monaghan on 15th May and an Ulster final probably v Donegal on 29th May.
Then a 4 week delay to QF.
After today, they still have just 2 games to play to reach the QF.
Two qualifier matches.
One in 5 weeks time on 29th May and the other 2 weeks later with the QF on 26th June.
Which schedule is better preparation for the QF, SF and Final.
With Tyrone you never know.
I remember in 2008 they were absolutely cat in Ulster. They scraped in the QF and took down Dublin and we know the rest.
They are always a far better team in Croke Park.
Their panel is weaker this year tbough.
Once the u20 competition is over, can those players join the senior panel?
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2022 17:10:13 GMT
Are Tyrone what they are built up to be? Are Mayo what they are built up to be also. I still think Kerry's main rival is Dublin and remains to be so. They have the players most capable of beating Kerry I predicted Dublin to beat Kerry and Tyrone to beat Dublin. Not so sure about Tyrone though now. We wont know till its all on the line in knockout phase.
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Post by givehimaball on May 1, 2022 18:49:07 GMT
Had Tyrone won today they would be playing Monaghan on 15th May and an Ulster final probably v Donegal on 29th May. Then a 4 week delay to QF. After today, they still have just 2 games to play to reach the QF. Two qualifier matches. One in 5 weeks time on 29th May and the other 2 weeks later with the QF on 26th June. Which schedule is better preparation for the QF, SF and Final. With Tyrone you never know. I remember in 2008 they were absolutely cat in Ulster. They scraped in the QF and took down Dublin and we know the rest. They are always a far better team in Croke Park. Their panel is weaker this year tbough. Once the u20 competition is over, can those players join the senior panel? Preliminary round of the qualifiers is the weekend 21st/22nd May - that's if there are more than 8 teams in the Sam Maguire qualifiers. First round of qualifiers is 4th/5th June with the second round the following weekend 11th/12th June. Quarter-finals are the 25th/26th of June 5 teams confirmed in the Sam Maguire qualifiers. Tyrone Armagh Mayo Clare Louth 1 from Monaghan/Derry 1 from Kerry/Cork At least 1 from Dublin/Kildare/Meath (and 2 if Westmeath get to the Leinster final) If they lose their next game (versus) Limerick (Tipperary) Donegal (Cavan) Galway (Leitrim) A minimum of 8 teams and a maximum of 12 teams. U20 players can join the senior panel once they are done with the U20 championship.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 1, 2022 19:14:11 GMT
'Football’s much more than a game for defiant Tyrone' - what a kick up the behind Joe got today? What happened Tyrone, I must admit I thought they were immune to flopping - could they have a bigger plan, they are still in it? I hate mentioning bookies as some of ours are depraved, but the Red Hands are now out to 14/1 for Sam. With us at 6/5, it's a massive margin respective to events since we met in 2021.
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