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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 31, 2022 12:37:39 GMT
The incidence of injuries might suggest we had plenty of work done and PatS was saying that would account for opening day surprises so that doesn't apply to our display. If we did too much gym work then we clearly misjudged what it would take and it isn't right to be fielding a team that is not recovered. Managing Kerry is no place for learning these things, we should be leading the way here as in the days of old, e.g. Dwyer hand-pass, etc.
Kildare took the game by the scruff and we didn't.
And we can forget all this nonsense re Tyrone last year - I am one of those that realise they may have roped others into a false sense of security, and it worked. Those boys are sharper than us - look at how both Tyrone and Monaghan have emulated Cluxton, even eclipsed him with some notable outfield play, and here are we struggling to get a solid bog-standard keeper all these years - are we pretending that they don't exist or are we not nurturing them?
Running the slide rule over Tyrone and their management succession, etc - do we need to look at the type of player we are incarnating as jackiel so nicely put it?
Also contrasting accounts of Jason and Adrian from reliable commentators on here - maybe we need to look a bit deeper, e.g. How much did Jason's man score/assist?
I'd also don't think that a shortage of 6'+ players is a factor, it's strength and maybe we tried too hard there.
Ah early days but surely not an ideal start, restart, for a management team.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 31, 2022 12:53:22 GMT
On the more positive signs thought Morley did well at 6. Kildare ran at us a lot but the huge gaps through the middle didnt really appear and kildare didnt really get a sniff of a goal.
He covered well I thought in the first half (was hard to tell from where I was ) 13 points in a game where we lost midfield for half of it isn't too bad. Good to see him and beaglaoich back where they belong in the halfbackline.
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Post by keane on Jan 31, 2022 13:05:30 GMT
I 100% agree Veteran. Great to read. I didn't stop to check if those now criticising Adrian, David etc are the same contributors as those who were wondering a week or two ago about what Gavin White brings to the team. What his end -product is was the question I believe if I remember correctly. Jesus wept. It was me questioning the accuracy of White's play in terms of spilling ball, running over the line and running into trouble last week. I didn't criticize anyone this week. A half of decent play against Kildare won't make the difference tbh, as I said last week it's a big year for him and for a lot of Kerry footballers who seem to have gotten the moniker of 'superstars' without doing much to warrant it. I would note that the goal White created he ran into a tackle, spilled the ball, was lucky it bounced off a limb before rolling wide and he did well to spoon it back into the mixer towards Spillane. They're all good players but this performance and tbh almost all of the performances of the whole team in big games in the last few years beg the question, are lads going to step up and actually become great players or not? White's one of a few around long enough now that it's time to put the question to bed. That's all I'm saying and I think it's fair enough.
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Post by keane on Jan 31, 2022 13:08:00 GMT
On the more positive signs thought Morley did well at 6. Kildare ran at us a lot but the huge gaps through the middle didnt really appear and kildare didnt really get a sniff of a goal. He covered well I thought in the first half (was hard to tell from where I was ) 13 points in a game where we lost midfield for half of it isn't too bad. Good to see him and beaglaoich back where they belong in the halfbackline. I thought against Cork Morley was a little bit at 6s and 7s with A Spillane and himself seemingly trying to coordinate covering of the D and getting a bit mixed up at times. I thought it looked like he did a much better job of it yesterday. If he could get back to the level when he was playing CHB was it in '17 or '18 he would be a big asset.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 31, 2022 13:17:08 GMT
Does he have qualifications as a psychologist? It’s all about the small margins now so we’re a bit behind the curve from other teams when it comes to having a sport psychologist. Every aspect should be covered and it definitely won’t do any harm having one. seems to be all the rage these times, I am not convinced meself Caroline Currid highly rated but as I say, I am not convinced by all that stuff Plenty of theory out there but the challenge is the integration process and if that goes wrong then the house falls down. Jacko'c sent out signals that he is traditionalist, even with defensive systems, so does he buy into 'this modern stuff' or is it being forced on him. We so so badly need to look at a management pipeline and while I'd be all for the best people in the best roles, Kerry should be a n exporter of skill. I know we have managers elsewhere but how can the 'the best football county' lack ample backroom skillsets? PO'6, Horse and The Bawn would be turning in their graces at the thought of Kerry having to get coached on how to grow liathrodi. I don't believe for one minute that we haven't figured out how the game is best played to win and it was only the day after the 2003 AI final that John O'Keeffe was able to tell us how to eliminate the blanket - took us 10+ years to do it. Maybe the likes of Tally have a slight edge but the downside of that is that he may learn more from us than we learn from him - think Cian O'Neill with Cork 2020! Ah it's the way it is going but I just think we need to grow more of our own. P.S. Just read this and it gives another angle and hopefully it proves closer to the mark- Oisín McConville: Kerry, with Paddy Tally, will have a more defined way of playing
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Post by taggert on Jan 31, 2022 13:32:55 GMT
I 100% agree Veteran. Great to read. I didn't stop to check if those now criticising Adrian, David etc are the same contributors as those who were wondering a week or two ago about what Gavin White brings to the team. What his end -product is was the question I believe if I remember correctly. Jesus wept. It was me questioning the accuracy of White's play in terms of spilling ball, running over the line and running into trouble last week. I didn't criticize anyone this week. A half of decent play against Kildare won't make the difference tbh, as I said last week it's a big year for him and for a lot of Kerry footballers who seem to have gotten the moniker of 'superstars' without doing much to warrant it. I would note that the goal White created he ran into a tackle, spilled the ball, was lucky it bounced off a limb before rolling wide and he did well to spoon it back into the mixer towards Spillane. They're all good players but this performance and tbh almost all of the performances of the whole team in big games in the last few years beg the question, are lads going to step up and actually become great players or not? White's one of a few around long enough now that it's time to put the question to bed. That's all I'm saying and I think it's fair enough. I too questioned Whites end product when it counts in the heat of the c'ship. Cork nullified him completely in 2020 and Tyrone invited a willing White into their lair in 2021 where he was readily dispossessed. He also struggled in '19 but wasnt helped in his wing forward stationing. Yesterday he was exemplary in that half as his runs culminated in scores. The criticisms are based on the recent body of his work in a Kerry jersey when it has mattered. Its the themes and trends over time, not in a one off game. Justified I think also.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 31, 2022 13:33:26 GMT
On the more positive signs thought Morley did well at 6. Kildare ran at us a lot but the huge gaps through the middle didnt really appear and kildare didnt really get a sniff of a goal. He covered well I thought in the first half (was hard to tell from where I was ) 13 points in a game where we lost midfield for half of it isn't too bad. Good to see him and beaglaoich back where they belong in the halfbackline. I thought against Cork Morley was a little bit at 6s and 7s with A Spillane and himself seemingly trying to coordinate covering of the D and getting a bit mixed up at times. I thought it looked like he did a much better job of it yesterday. If he could get back to the level when he was playing CHB was it in '17 or '18 he would be a big asset. I tend to agree on Morley - the other players we have tried center back seem to get drawn into influencing the game going forward and sometimes missing their primary role in protecting the goal. I think Morley isn’t the most comfortable on the ball so tends to keep it simple which may be ideal for our needs. I am coming around to him being our best option for this position for this year.
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Post by keane on Jan 31, 2022 13:38:11 GMT
I too questioned Whites end product when it counts in the heat of the c'ship. Cork nullified him completely in 2020 and Tyrone invited a willing White into their lair in 2021 where he was readily dispossessed. He also struggled in '19 but wasnt helped in his wing forward stationing. Yesterday he was exemplary in that half as his runs culminated in scores. The criticisms are based on the recent body of his work in a Kerry jersey when it has mattered. Its the themes and trends over time, not in a one off game. Justified I think also. In fairness, I should be clear - he was good yesterday for sure.
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Post by fitz on Jan 31, 2022 13:47:35 GMT
Adrian definitely has some go in him, needs polishing, if he can stay clear of injury and importantly nullify the preventable mistakes like falling over soloing after winning a throw up and the concession of the equalizing free for what was a silly barge in the back. Coldrick gave them a couple of soft ones, especially second half, corner forward backing into the corner back being most noted.
Burns is too small for winter football maybe any season, no penetration,and have yet to see what Dara Moynihan brings, made one good pass for Clifford's late first half goal attempt. Like Darran in mold but doesn't deliver the penetration enough or scoring threat Darran had. Forward play was just miles off it yesterday but this overly cautious lateral passing approach didn't help them either. Fear of losing starkly visible in second half.
Defensively we did ok but we had so many bodies dropped back that Kildare were mostly able to funnel back every time even when we won turnovers.
It was tough to watch Kerry trying to hang onto a lead (producing so many turnovers) against a team they should be beating comfortably, even in tough conditions.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 31, 2022 14:05:27 GMT
I 100% agree Veteran. Great to read. I didn't stop to check if those now criticising Adrian, David etc are the same contributors as those who were wondering a week or two ago about what Gavin White brings to the team. What his end -product is was the question I believe if I remember correctly. Jesus wept. It was me questioning the accuracy of White's play in terms of spilling ball, running over the line and running into trouble last week. I didn't criticize anyone this week. A half of decent play against Kildare won't make the difference tbh, as I said last week it's a big year for him and for a lot of Kerry footballers who seem to have gotten the moniker of 'superstars' without doing much to warrant it. I would note that the goal White created he ran into a tackle, spilled the ball, was lucky it bounced off a limb before rolling wide and he did well to spoon it back into the mixer towards Spillane. They're all good players but this performance and tbh almost all of the performances of the whole team in big games in the last few years beg the question, are lads going to step up and actually become great players or not? White's one of a few around long enough now that it's time to put the question to bed. That's all I'm saying and I think it's fair enough. It is fair enough. GW gave away very soft frees v Tyrone last year all of them scorable. Every time i seem he racing forward i think of Mickey Ned in 1975. Those runs will be fine in the Munster championship but against a phalanx of defenders by the real opposition it very likely that he will spill the ball or be dispossessed....or be sheparded into a cul de sac in the corner. I fear he will get injured regularly running at well organised defenses. And just to add.... should Kerry force a turnover in their own defense his lightening speed is a huge asset then with acres of space in front of him.
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Post by veteran on Jan 31, 2022 14:11:23 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why!
It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence.
How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence.
Get there in good time to allow for contingencies.
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Post by southward on Jan 31, 2022 14:14:03 GMT
Great to see the forum buzzing again.
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Post by kot on Jan 31, 2022 14:27:17 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why! It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence. How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence. Get there in good time to allow for contingencies. You can get in to most stadiums in good time turning up very shortly before games. Most people standing outside Newbridge yeseterday getting crushed and cramped were there well before half 1 so should be ample time (if it was properly organised) to get people into the ground. My wife brought kids to the bathroom 10 minutes before half time to avoid the crowd and still only got back right after the thrown in for the 2nd half such was the calamity of the set up and crown control. We were 30 minutes outside the ground trying to get in before throw in. Does venting about that classify me as a snowflake? The whole set up was a shambles and the ground is not fit for purpose. This was not the fault of any fan or group of fans. And yes, to suggest it was in some way their fault is lazy I'm sorry to say. Is it not fair to say that Newbridge is not fit for purpose for games of this nature?
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Post by dc84 on Jan 31, 2022 14:34:00 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why! It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence. How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence. Get there in good time to allow for contingencies. You can get in to most stadiums in good time turning up very shortly before games. Most people standing outside Newbridge yeseterday getting crushed and cramped were there well before half 1 so should be ample time (if it was properly organised) to get people into the ground. My wife brought kids to the bathroom 10 minutes before half time to avoid the crowd and still only got back right after the thrown in for the 2nd half such was the calamity of the set up and crown control. We were 30 minutes outside the ground trying to get in before throw in. Does venting about that classify me as a snowflake? The whole set up was a shambles and the ground is not fit for purpose. This was not the fault of any fan or group of fans. And yes, to suggest it was in some way their fault is lazy I'm sorry to say. Is it not fair to say that Newbridge is not fit for purpose for games of this nature? I agree with both of us actually I knew it was a disaster of a ground so arrived at 1 still took me 20 mins to get in was there only 4 turnstiles open? Very poor
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Post by buck02 on Jan 31, 2022 14:44:07 GMT
I agree about the venue not being fit for purpose. I've been to lots of grounds around the country and this ones makes the old Pairc Ui Chaoimh look like Spurs new ground.
But I wonder if I bothered to look back at this forum at the time of "Newbridge or Nowhere", would any of the people who experienced the calamity yesterday and have rightly expressed their views have been giving out about the venue being suited for only 5,000 as being "health and safety gone mad".
Anybody suggesting that the game should not have been put back 15 minutes to prevent a worse crush outside is mad. And that is coming from somebody who was in there an hour before throw in.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 14:47:17 GMT
I arrived as the Kerry team were walking in. At that stage it was busy enough in the main stand.
I wouldn't blame any fans yesterday it wasnt the same as Dubs being in the pubs and are late in. This was families etc and were there in ample time.
Kildare GAA knew it was a sell out so you'd have to ask why adequate planning was not in place.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jan 31, 2022 15:12:55 GMT
So, apportioning blame to spectators for turning up late and thereby delaying the throw in is “lazy analysis “ . I am sure the derelict nature of the concourse did not help the ease of entry . On the other hand I had nor problem getting in. Guess why! It would be well to remember that it happens at other stadia as well. The few on here who were at the McGrarh cup final would have experienced the same fate for an eight thousand attendance in a thirty five thousand capacity stadium. Primitive facilities I suppose . Not used to catering for crowds I suppose. Has it ever happened in Croke Park? Has it what! In fairness one couldn’t expect snowflakes . I mean fans, to brave the elements in Croke Park without any covered accommodation to wait for a match to commence. How often have you been in your seat in Croke Park with the the second half in progress for seven or eight minutes and people still keep squeezing past with their coffee/sandwiches , and very often with a belly full of porter, obscurIng your view. Same principle . A mixture of arrogance and indifference to the comfort of others. Hold on and wait for me. It is alright for you little people to be punctual. I am a busy man and I do not have the time for waiting in line for a match to commence. Get there in good time to allow for contingencies. What do you think a good time is as I was in the queue from 1.05pm (40 minutes to throw in) and didn't get in until they opened the gate (1.50pm) and people were allowed in without stewards checking tickets. Had they not opened the gate and started the game on time I'd have missed most of the first half. That's why I said it was lazy analysis, because it is and I'd stand over my comment. No one should be queuing for that amount of time for a venue with 9k. Rather than take stock of the information provided you behave arrogantly and double down. Maybe you should have used that free time inside St Conleth's on self-reflection.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 31, 2022 15:32:27 GMT
We've always done well against the Dubs in the league so I wouldn't read much into next Sat night. Dublin are on the way down - its the only place top teams tend to go. On the matter of Adrian Spillane, much like Jack Barry, are we going to win an All Ireland with them starting? Adrian battled manly throughout but in the 1st half soloed into a tackle and was turned over. Did the same in 2nd half, and they went up the field for a rousing score. He then gave away 2 late frees. 3 points handed to them. He wasnt helped by the out of position and an anaemic Seanie O'Shea on the day of course. But some consistent questions and themes emerging - from before today and again today: 1. Foley struggles once pacey attacker gets out in front; 2. Murphy can't offer resistance from the marauding runs of the middle 8; 3. K.Spillane only plays in a burst and then fades rapidly; 4. Geaneys legs are gone at the top level; 5. Our wing forwards rarely if ever score; 6. Our forwards try low percentage, eye of the needle passes to a heavily marked Clifford and we cough up ball; 7. We dont show enough patience and craft to work high percentage chances for our marksmen, instead relying on them to score individual worldies;8. We turn over far too much cheap posssession; 9. We lack size and power in the forwards; 10. Our Keepers can crack fairly easily. If its any consolation, the bit in italics is an extract from the Dubs forum. This poster thinks that Dublin no longer have the players to display patience and craft to work high percentage chances for the shooters. Ot lads who can kick long range points Recycling the ball is necessary when teams put 14 behind the ball but when you create the openings you need accuracy and players who can score outside the D. We didn’t have that last night and for the time of year the elements were kind to shooting. My concern is our refusal to kick long now, and our refusal to let a long kickout go too. The game plan has to be mixed up, it’s the only way we can isolate Con inside, that and going after the oppositions kickout which we were awful at last night. We can’t have a return to last year when every Dublin attack is against 14 defenders and our best players need to go deep to get on the ball. A lot inevitably will but goals don’t get scored that way and it was the same last night with the ones we conceded. Previous success was built on effective powerplay by turning over the opposition on their way out and getting after their kickouts.
Other teams have copied the Gavin method to the hilt but we don’t have the players to do it anymore, not consistently anyhow. It’s time to go a bit more orthodox, get a player like Kilkenny at 14 and let Con play off him. Kilkennys switch to 14 last night came too late in the game when it was goals or nothing and Armagh were happy for us to have the ball but outside the D.
Recycled hand passing is every teams modus operandi as every team plays with mass defending without the ball but we need an Option B off set plays and turnovers before defences are set, which essentially is how football games are won these days. We havnt seen any of this in the last year.
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Post by dano on Jan 31, 2022 15:54:30 GMT
David Moran, or any high fielder was badly missed in the last quarter yesterday. That's where Kildare made up the scores to clinch the draw. I was very dismayed yesterday immediately after the game but watched it again last night and saw a few things that we can be positive about. The Cliffords, Tom o Sullivan, didn't concede a goal and didn't lose the TWO points. Good too that the media hype about the supposed sour grapes the Kildare team and fans held for Jack was just bills**t. I think Saturday night will be a real cracker of a game with both teams having a lot at stake. Looking forward to it. A lot of draws yesterday, so we haven't fell too far.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 31, 2022 15:56:28 GMT
Thinks its time for a "time and motion" study for access to a stadium - allow 5 seconds on average for a person to be scanned through and the mechanics of the gate to allow them in. This means 12 people per minute or 120 people every 10 minutes per gate that is operating. (some may be quicker while others slower as they search for the correct QR code on their phone)
10 gates operating at this pace would take 75 minutes to admit a crowd of 9000 people or 20 gates would require 37.5 minutes. If everybody turns up 20 minutes before kick off there needs to be 38 gates operating - I doubt there are 38 gates at too many grounds.
Perhaps Jackiel or some other contributors who do stewarding will have a better estimate on the average time to admit a patron and the number of gates typically opened at a ground.
Get there early and be prepared for the elements - we can't all get through the gates in the last 10/20 minutes. Hopefully those managing the stadia will open more gates to improve the flow as well.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 15:59:29 GMT
Tony Leen on the examiner podcast has just said Kerry can't close out games because of the loss of 1982 and the psychology scars.
Wow...
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 31, 2022 16:13:40 GMT
We've always done well against the Dubs in the league so I wouldn't read much into next Sat night. Dublin are on the way down - its the only place top teams tend to go. On the matter of Adrian Spillane, much like Jack Barry, are we going to win an All Ireland with them starting? Adrian battled manly throughout but in the 1st half soloed into a tackle and was turned over. Did the same in 2nd half, and they went up the field for a rousing score. He then gave away 2 late frees. 3 points handed to them. He wasnt helped by the out of position and an anaemic Seanie O'Shea on the day of course. But some consistent questions and themes emerging - from before today and again today: 1. Foley struggles once pacey attacker gets out in front; 2. Murphy can't offer resistance from the marauding runs of the middle 8; 3. K.Spillane only plays in a burst and then fades rapidly; 4. Geaneys legs are gone at the top level; 5. Our wing forwards rarely if ever score; 6. Our forwards try low percentage, eye of the needle passes to a heavily marked Clifford and we cough up ball; 7. We dont show enough patience and craft to work high percentage chances for our marksmen, instead relying on them to score individual worldies; 8. We turn over far too much cheap posssession; 9. We lack size and power in the forwards; 10. Our Keepers can crack fairly easily. Solve all that and Sam is home 'n' hosed, so let's start with Jason - does a FB stay behind or in front of his man? Of course the FF has the advantage as incoming-ball will favour him - do you want tyhe ball in over the FB's head and leave the FF one-on-one with the keeper?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 31, 2022 16:26:17 GMT
I think you have to be able to evacuate a ground in 8 minutes or under in terms of Health and Safety. Unless people were going to climb walls etc there is no way you could have got 8k people out of that ground and at a safe distance in 8 minutes. Not in any safe manner anyway.
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Post by jackiel on Jan 31, 2022 16:49:03 GMT
I have the habit of always being early for matches, it comes with the territory being a steward that I'm in Croke Park more than 2 hours before throw in. I arrived at Newbridge at 12.20, there was a queue for stiles which opened at 12.30. I wasn't delayed at the stiles, saw a programme seller but was distracted by meeting someone & didn't purchase. Took my place in the stand , 3 rows from the front, pretty much mid field, happy out. The only thing that bothered me was the six inch void between the floor at my feet and the back of the row in front of me, a serious trip hazard if I ever saw one. I don't know how H & S could possibly pass it.
I spoke to 2 older Kildare gentlemen beside me who gave out about how the pitch should have been moved out of the town and that Charlie McCreevy had the money & all for it years ago but the businesses in the town shot it down. Apparently there is upgrading coming onstream soon.
I hung back a bit and didn't rush to my car as I knew the traffic would be bad, there was still a delay but after the 2 years we've just put in I'll offer it up. Roll on the Dubs in Tralee.
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Post by fitz on Jan 31, 2022 16:54:43 GMT
I think a certain amount can be cast aside -> It is a shyte stadium (Operation Transformation candidates not welcome at turnstiles), shyte loudspeakerage, shyte weather (was fine when I set off), shyte ref (we've had problems with him in every game I think) - the tenor was shyte too. Sh!te show.
What can't be cast aside was the performance - it wasn't near good enough.
I watched the subs do some sprint work afterwards. Jack Savage stayed out to do a bit as well. There was a horse of lad there I didn't recognize him, long hair (fringe) up top, constantly brushing back, but he could move. Have we a name for him?
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Post by dc84 on Jan 31, 2022 16:55:55 GMT
I thought it was obvious what the defensive plan was yesterday (not sure was there an attacking one). A.Spillane played as a defensive midfielder and helped out Morley as required and when white was hearing up the field it looked like Morley drifted to his wing with Adrian stepping back one. A decent tactic to counter what has cost us dearly last few years. Moran or Jack Barry would be an improvement on Adrian here from an aerial point of view but maybe not physically Adrian tore into it as he does he also gave away a few frees so fcking what ? We have all been crying out for a few tougher more hard tackling players he is that at least the kildare lads knew he was there . I though Jason played Flynn well tbh tough for a FB to mark a noticeably taller ff from the front you are always liable to one over the top. Midfield I'm not going to mention as it's pointless that partnership will not start a championship game together unless injuries are horrendous. Wing forwards were very disappointing and a lot of our troubles started there I am surprised Paul o shea wasn't in panel I have liked the cut of his jib any time I have seen him be a perfect no 10 id say, maybe moving to midfield in a few years. I'd start Diarmuid there next week with o Shea and paudie. We need more pace inside I feel the three lads are quite similar and we need something different not sure brosnan adds that difference or who that might be ...
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Post by jackiel on Jan 31, 2022 17:03:11 GMT
Thinks its time for a "time and motion" study for access to a stadium - allow 5 seconds on average for a person to be scanned through and the mechanics of the gate to allow them in. This means 12 people per minute or 120 people every 10 minutes per gate that is operating. (some may be quicker while others slower as they search for the correct QR code on their phone) 10 gates operating at this pace would take 75 minutes to admit a crowd of 9000 people or 20 gates would require 37.5 minutes. If everybody turns up 20 minutes before kick off there needs to be 38 gates operating - I doubt there are 38 gates at too many grounds. Perhaps Jackiel or some other contributors who do stewarding will have a better estimate on the average time to admit a patron and the number of gates typically opened at a ground. Get there early and be prepared for the elements - we can't all get through the gates in the last 10/20 minutes. Hopefully those managing the stadia will open more gates to improve the flow as well. Sorry I can't offer any insight on this one, I don't work in the area of stiles but I do know that it is becoming difficult to get people who will commit to stewarding on an ongoing basis.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2022 17:09:38 GMT
I think a certain amount can be cast aside -> It is a shyte stadium (Operation Transformation candidates not welcome at turnstiles), shyte loudspeakerage, shyte weather (was fine when I set off), shyte ref (we've had problems with him in every game I think) - the tenor was shyte too. Sh!te show. What can't be cast aside was the performance - it wasn't near good enough. I watched the subs do some sprint work afterwards. Jack Savage stayed out to do a bit as well. There was a horse of lad there I didn't recognize him, long hair (fringe) up top, constantly brushing back, but he could move. Have we a name for him? Ahh i thought the Kildare soprano was brilliant! I did find it funny that they asked everyone be upstanding when the Kildare team entered the field 🤣🤣
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Post by jackiel on Jan 31, 2022 17:15:54 GMT
I think a certain amount can be cast aside -> It is a shyte stadium (Operation Transformation candidates not welcome at turnstiles), shyte loudspeakerage, shyte weather (was fine when I set off), shyte ref (we've had problems with him in every game I think) - the tenor was shyte too. Sh!te show. What can't be cast aside was the performance - it wasn't near good enough. I watched the subs do some sprint work afterwards. Jack Savage stayed out to do a bit as well. There was a horse of lad there I didn't recognize him, long hair (fringe) up top, constantly brushing back, but he could move. Have we a name for him? Ahh i thought the Kildare soprano was brilliant! I did find it funny that they asked everyone be upstanding when the Kildare team entered the field 🤣🤣 No problem with the soprano, agree with you on standing for Kildare, in Croke Park we only stand for the arrival of An t-Uachtarán. What really bugged me was the fact that the stadium announcer made no attempt whatsoever to pronounce Brian O Beaglaoich & Michéal Burns names correctly.
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Post by veteran on Jan 31, 2022 17:42:51 GMT
Ah Fitzop, that soprano was one of the highlights of the day.
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