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Post by Mickmack on Mar 8, 2020 22:07:07 GMT
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Donie Buckley was removed as Kerry coach and selector Donie Buckley: Had been getting ready for training on Friday.
By John Fogarty GAA Correspondent
Follow @johnfogartyirl Sunday, March 08, 2020 - 07:21 PM Donie Buckley was removed as coach and selector of the Kerry senior football team, the Irish Examiner understands.
The Castleisland man was informed of Peter Keane’s decision 24 hours before county chairman Tim Murphy’s statement confirming his exit was released on the Kerry website on Saturday morning.
Sources close to the camp say despite tensions in recent months, Buckley had been planning for Friday’s training session when he was told he would not be part of the management team going forward.
Buckley’s last game as part of the management team came in Castlebar last weekend when Kerry edged out Mayo, who he coached for six seasons up to 2018 before linking up again with his native county. Popular with players in both counties, his departure followed months of rumours that his future in the Kerry set-up was uncertain.
Murphy’s statement on Saturday read: “On behalf of the Board, the senior football panel & management and Kerry Supporters, I want to thank Donie for his very valuable contribution to the development of our players over the past 18 months and wish him the very best in the future.
“It is not intended to make any further appointments to the senior football management team. The existing management team will continue to take responsibility for all aspects of team preparation and selection.”
It is the second time Buckley has left a Kerry senior management team; he chose to step away prior to the 2012 championship.
In last week’s Irish Examiner GAA podcast, Seamus Moynihan queried the amount of input Buckley was having in the Kerry camp. “I think Donie Buckley is unbelievable and I’d like to see him given more time with the players. He turned Mayo — who were one of the easiest teams to walk through, because they didn’t want to know about tackling — into one of the best in the country.
“That was down to his training and his ethos. We have the powder up front, we have some unbelievable forwards, we just need to tighten up. When we go up eight points, we’re not certain we’re going to win the game and that should not be the case.”
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 9, 2020 7:05:56 GMT
Well that ruined the mood over the weekend. For those commenting on what Donie has won in the game it's nonsense, He could hardly be blamed for Mayo only having 2 forwards. His remit was the backs and nobody can question how good they were at the back. At the end of the day I don't care about personalities or who the manager is, I care about the Jersey if we have a poor summer defensively then there will be big elephant in the room and one man responsible.
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Post by allrounder on Mar 9, 2020 9:01:46 GMT
The lack of respect being shown to Tommy Griffin's coaching on here is nothing short of a disgrace. I'm fairly certain Tommy has coached teams to 5 all Ireland victories ( 3 minors and 2 Hogan cups). Has coached the majority of these young players that are coming through.
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Post by bannered on Mar 9, 2020 9:11:38 GMT
A shock exit indeed. PK is best placed. Everything else is at best conjecture. We must now trust the manager and his team to bring us all the way this year. If we succeed or fail hindsight will be a wonderful thing.A management team that lacks a shared philosophy doesn't succeed.If it is best for Kerry football that DB departs then so be it.
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Post by tonydorigo on Mar 9, 2020 10:10:27 GMT
I think we are all disappointed with the removal of a great defensive coach from the management team when our glaring weakness is our defence. Keane has given people a stick to beat him with but he could yet be proved right, we just don't know as of yet.
I think the main issue was the shoe horning of Buckley into the management team by the county board. I will not criticise them for it as it looked a prudent move at the time adding some experience to a management team that were new to inter county game. Has shown that managers should be allowed control of their team and the composition and be judged on that.
Hope it isn't the last we see of Buckley with a Kerry team and also hope that Keane might address their issues and we bring home Sam.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 9, 2020 13:29:24 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 9, 2020 17:25:19 GMT
One local journalist on Twitter stating people will be shocked when the truth comes out, very much supporting PK. Loves mentioning rumeours etc but would never actually call it out.
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Post by ciarrai4sam on Mar 9, 2020 21:04:45 GMT
How many frees did we give away in drawn all Ireland final last year.... I don't know the ins and outs. Hindsight PK should have been able to pick his back room team from start and stand over it When Donie was with Mayo he was credited with a huge improvement in their tackling. Kerry needed plenty of help in that department too, and when Donie arrived there was great expectation. I don't know what his responsibilities were but I don't see much improvement in our tackling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 22:22:19 GMT
How many frees did we give away in drawn all Ireland final last year.... I don't know the ins and outs. Hindsight PK should have been able to pick his back room team from start and stand over it When Donie was with Mayo he was credited with a huge improvement in their tackling. Kerry needed plenty of help in that department too, and when Donie arrived there was great expectation. I don't know what his responsibilities were but I don't see much improvement in our tackling. It is not really hindsight though. Plenty would have had misgivings on any manager not being able to pick his backroom team. The rumours around Buckley not gelling with Keane and the rest of the management team were there very early on. The County Board come across very poorly here.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 10, 2020 1:09:42 GMT
In my humble opinion, Donie should be employed by the County Board to help up and coming coaches on the development squads become better defensive coaches, as well as showing how to develop games based improvement tools.
That's what we are missing at senior level, but no senior manager will allow anyone to tell him his methods are outdated and not fit for purpose.
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Post by Galway breeze on Mar 10, 2020 7:38:25 GMT
Do you think 5 minor titles is out dated ball hopper? To be honest if you look at DB training methods for the last 8 years or so he has teams defending in very similar style and other county’s have overcome this, so if anyone is out dated it is Donie. Kerry should be constantly look for new methods and that means new thinking by different coaches. Kerry have become static at senior level for the last 4/5years due to poor structure. The top table have a lot to answer for their poor vision and planning in Kerry.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 10, 2020 9:21:22 GMT
Do you think 5 minor titles is out dated ball hopper? To be honest if you look at DB training methods for the last 8 years or so he has teams defending in very similar style and other county’s have overcome this, so if anyone is out dated it is Donie. Kerry should be constantly look for new methods and that means new thinking by different coaches. Kerry have become static at senior level for the last 4/5years due to poor structure. The top table have a lot to answer for their poor vision and planning in Kerry. Kerry's defence in the Super 8s and All Ireland semi final vs Tyrone was one of their strong points in the run to the AI final; 4 games played, 2 goals conceded, ONE from open play (vs Meath) , Donegal goaled from a penalty - the 150 odd minutes played over the drawn and replayed finals saw two goals conceded, both to defenders coming from deep - this was in part, not all down to the defensive set up employed by Kerry of which Donie was very much a part - hardly outdated. This is what Aidan O'Mahony had to say this week about Donie : “I’d have found him from my own playing career when I worked under him, he was very good tactically for defensive setups. As a player when you’re going out marking marquee forwards, he was very good knowing their games inside out. So I think he’s a loss and the players will find his loss as well". As for the county board, the development squads have served the county well under their present structure, as witnessed by the minor titles won - Peter Keane, Tommy Griffin, James Foley were all involved in these successes. The full time appointment of Jason McGahan is another plus as far as I am concerned. Tim Murphy recognised the need to add some experience/ defensive nous to a new coaching team last year and the obvious man was Buckley given his reputation and his role with Mayo - you could argue that Mayo did not win an All Ireland for various reasons but think their defence was not one of them - the lack of a marquee forward the most likely. The appointment of John Sugrue to the U-20s given his previous roles with Kerry, South Kerry and Laois is to be commended also and he is possibly a future senior bainisteoir if he so wishes. Micheál Quirke has played a key role at local level in coaching in schools, clubs and bainisteoir at Strand Road for 4 years - he will gain valuable inter county experience at Laois; Maurice Horan, formerly of Limerick and Mayo was a key figure in the development squads for past few years as was Paul Galvin - think the county board have not been lacking in " poor vision and planning" as you suggest.
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Post by clubman on Mar 10, 2020 12:26:17 GMT
One local journalist on Twitter stating people will be shocked when the truth comes out, very much supporting PK. Loves mentioning rumeours etc but would never actually call it out. Its hard to take him seriously in fairness, as you say, loves mentioning rumours and being seen to be "in the know"
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Post by buck02 on Mar 10, 2020 12:34:37 GMT
I think people are mistaken in their belief that Donie Buckley was just a defensive and "tackling" coach.
My information from his time in Mayo and with Kerry would suggest a much greater overall coaching role and not just confined to the defensive side things.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 10, 2020 14:11:56 GMT
I think people are mistaken in their belief that Donie Buckley was just a defensive and "tackling" coach. My information from his time in Mayo and with Kerry would suggest a much greater overall coaching role and not just confined to the defensive side things. That’s absolutely correct - understand that he also had a big role in forward play /set plays etc.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 10, 2020 14:25:01 GMT
I was up on the Upper Deck of the Canal End for the semi final v Tyrone and all I could see in the second half was an "unmanned acre" in from of me where i would expect the Kerry defense to me.
I never saw this when DB was with Mayo.
The debate in the run up to the final was taken up a good bit when pluggin this hole.
It was plugged to a large entent in the drawn game.
But if Tyrone were not so dependent on McShane Tyrone would have won.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 10, 2020 17:53:29 GMT
Do you think 5 minor titles is out dated ball hopper? To be honest if you look at DB training methods for the last 8 years or so he has teams defending in very similar style and other county’s have overcome this, so if anyone is out dated it is Donie. Kerry should be constantly look for new methods and that means new thinking by different coaches. Kerry have become static at senior level for the last 4/5years due to poor structure. The top table have a lot to answer for their poor vision and planning in Kerry. The best footballers win minor titles...hence Kerry has "lovely" footballers at present. But no steel to their play. The more cynical senior game is vastly different. Players developing defensive skills early is absent in Kerry for years - see the issues with the full back position since the early 70's for a good example.
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Post by Galway breeze on Mar 10, 2020 17:58:22 GMT
I would have thought that the five all Ireland minor teams were developed before winning the All Ireland’s greenandgoal35. The present structure in Kerry had nothing to do with them. Nothing has been won at any level during the present structure YET! But give credit to Pk, Micky Ned and L Brosnan for the years they had a flourishing development system in place.
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Post by bedlamite on Mar 10, 2020 18:10:52 GMT
People leave companies, work, clubs all the time for various reasons. No need to overreact. We can all but surmise as to the reasons he left or was forced out, but one thing is for sure, if it had come to this, its better it happened now than not at all.
Sure Kerry have problems, what team doesn't. If Kerry don't win the All Ireland, plenty of Donie's supporters will beat Peter with this stick, but it won't have lost us the all Ireland that's for sure. This problem was there already, brewing away, and you'll win nothing with a bad atmosphere. If Kerry win the All Ireland, it may be part of the jigsaw in achieving it, but it won't be the sole reason either.
All Irelands are hard won. Ifs, ands and buts have no positive part to play, and are only negatives to be removed. We need to remove obstacles as they arise, and we have plenty more to deal with, not just a clash between Manager and Coach. You will only regret what you did not do, not what you did. For those who are not part of the solution, you are in fact part of the problem. Whether Donie see's this or not is academic. Peter, (with whom the buck stops), and his management team will have to point this out to the players, if any are moaning about the unfairness of it all. If I were him I'd ignore the whining and gnashing of teeth from the Kerry followers, as they are in a constant state of panic, and having them happy or sated, ( impossibility) will not matter a jot in delivering an All Ireland. .
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Post by wideball on Mar 10, 2020 19:12:39 GMT
People leave companies, work, clubs all the time for various reasons. No need to overreact. We can all but surmise as to the reasons he left or was forced out, but one thing is for sure, if it had come to this, its better it happened now than not at all. Sure Kerry have problems, what team doesn't. If Kerry don't win the All Ireland, plenty of Donie's supporters will beat Peter with this stick, but it won't have lost us the all Ireland that's for sure. This problem was there already, brewing away, and you'll win nothing with a bad atmosphere. If Kerry win the All Ireland, it may be part of the jigsaw in achieving it, but it won't be the sole reason either. All Irelands are hard won. Ifs, ands and buts have no positive part to play, and are only negatives to be removed. We need to remove obstacles as they arise, and we have plenty more to deal with, not just a clash between Manager and Coach. You will only regret what you did not do, not what you did. For those who are not part of the solution, you are in fact part of the problem. Whether Donie see's this or not is academic. Peter, (with whom the buck stops), and his management team will have to point this out to the players, if any are moaning about the unfairness of it all. If I were him I'd ignore the whining and gnashing of teeth from the Kerry followers, as they are in a constant state of panic, and having them happy or sated, ( impossibility) will not matter a jot in delivering an All Ireland. . Great post. Sums up the whole situation perfectly.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 10, 2020 19:22:40 GMT
I would have thought that the five all Ireland minor teams were developed before winning the All Ireland’s greenandgoal35. The present structure in Kerry had nothing to do with them. Nothing has been won at any level during the present structure YET! But give credit to Pk, Micky Ned and L Brosnan for the years they had a flourishing development system in place. Sean Bán managed a South Kerry development squad @ U-14 level that had a young David Clifford, Seán O’Shea, Brian Friel - he managed that group again @ U-15 & U-16 levels - this was the foundation for later minor successes. As for giving credit, Donal Daly along with Tony O’Keeffe were the main drivers of those squads.
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Post by brigid on Mar 10, 2020 21:01:41 GMT
I met a Mayo supporter this morning, with a comment Ye left Donie go. I asked you ye take him back. Reply "NO WAY".
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Post by 1955 on Mar 10, 2020 21:39:04 GMT
Your posts make it quite obvious which side of the fence you are on brigid
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Post by mossie on Mar 10, 2020 23:53:21 GMT
hard one to fathom but when you hear defenders like Mahony, Tomas, Moynihan singing his (Donie) praises you put a lot of store in that
ditto the Mayo players he coached would have won a few all Irelands in any other era other than the dubs were superb , his time there should be judged that way. players in mayo seem to really rate him too
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Post by mossie on Mar 10, 2020 23:56:06 GMT
Do you think 5 minor titles is out dated ball hopper? To be honest if you look at DB training methods for the last 8 years or so he has teams defending in very similar style and other county’s have overcome this, so if anyone is out dated it is Donie. Kerry should be constantly look for new methods and that means new thinking by different coaches. Kerry have become static at senior level for the last 4/5years due to poor structure. The top table have a lot to answer for their poor vision and planning in Kerry. I think the top table have been superb in Kerry in recent years. we lost ground several years back, just catching up now I don't see us lacking vision
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Post by Callitasitis on Mar 11, 2020 0:53:38 GMT
I would have thought that the five all Ireland minor teams were developed before winning the All Ireland’s greenandgoal35. The present structure in Kerry had nothing to do with them. Nothing has been won at any level during the present structure YET! But give credit to Pk, Micky Ned and L Brosnan for the years they had a flourishing development system in place. Sean Bán managed a South Kerry development squad @ U-14 level that had a young David Clifford, Seán O’Shea, Brian Friel - he managed that group again @ U-15 & U-16 levels - this was the foundation for later minor successes. As for giving credit, Donal Daly along with Tony O’Keeffe were the main drivers of those squads. Sean Ban only coached David Clifford at development squad level Sean O Shea Dara Moynihan Graham O Sullivan Gavin White David Shaw Gavin Crowley Ronan Buckley Tony Brosnan were coached by Eddie O Sullivan at development squads
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Post by Callitasitis on Mar 11, 2020 0:58:13 GMT
I would have thought that the five all Ireland minor teams were developed before winning the All Ireland’s greenandgoal35. The present structure in Kerry had nothing to do with them. Nothing has been won at any level during the present structure YET! But give credit to Pk, Micky Ned and L Brosnan for the years they had a flourishing development system in place. Sean Bán managed a South Kerry development squad @ U-14 level that had a young David Clifford, Seán O’Shea, Brian Friel - he managed that group again @ U-15 & U-16 levels - this was the foundation for later minor successes. As for giving credit, Donal Daly along with Tony O’Keeffe were the main drivers of those squads. Sean Ban only coached David Clifford at development squad level Sean O Shea Dara Moynihan Graham O Sullivan Gavin White David Shaw Tony Brosnan Gavin Crowley Ronan Buckley were coached by Eddie O Sullivan
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2020 12:41:08 GMT
Look at the reaction of all the ex players that have spoken on this issue since Sat. They can't all be wrong. Still gutted over this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 12:44:07 GMT
Look at the reaction of all the ex players that have spoken on this issue since Sat. They can't all be wrong. Still gutted over this. Get over it.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2020 13:02:35 GMT
Look at the reaction of all the ex players that have spoken on this issue since Sat. They can't all be wrong. Still gutted over this. Get over it. We will revisit this in the Summer I gaunatee it.
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