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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 16:57:18 GMT
The absence of Buckley will be the reason why Kerry won’t win an all Ireland.
You can’t afford to lose that kind of winning experience.
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Post by fealeside on Mar 7, 2020 17:05:05 GMT
Could someone putup Donies medal haul? Yes - I'd be interested in seeing this also.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2020 17:24:24 GMT
Ah we're all throwing in our tuppenny bit here without the facts and like others here, I am assuming there was a fallout and on the basis that nobody has suggested otherwise.
Surely two grown successful Kerrymen should have been able to work as a team and both took the job 'together.' Obviously it didn't work to the extent that one had to go and while it wouldn't be the manager, it is ironic that we are plagued with precisely what we all feel DB should be bringing to the table and we have all seen enough.
Is it that PK has different, 'better' ideas as to how he will win Sam, i.e. that what DB delivers isn't what is required and who are we to judge. And so, yes, it now puts extra pressure on PK and who with respect has delivered in spades for us.
IMO the other option for TCB was to tell insist on the pair of 'em or neither of 'em - then it would be interesting to see if they could iron out any wrinkles.
The timing could be worse as we are save-ish in TNL with a few games that might tell us who was right. It won't be easy on players either, no more than it is what we want to be talking about -I feel sorry for DB, moreover as this isn't the first time his peerless talents have been repelled.
We won't get any more info and DB never talks. He's is not being replaced either which adds further to the vacuum.
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Post by Galway breeze on Mar 7, 2020 17:37:23 GMT
With all respect for Marc O Se and S Moynihan (Royalkerryfan)who were very good footballers and will go down as that. But both have yet to qualify as coaches and prove their coaching ability at a high standard. A lot of Mayo pass players would say different to Marc and Seamus about Donie’s coaching. Donie hasn’t changed his style of coaching since he was with Jack O Connor.
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Post by john4 on Mar 7, 2020 17:53:11 GMT
I'm not too bothered about Donie Buckley's departure, I think it would be far worse if all the lads inside in the middle of this just carried on throughout the summer just to keep the peace and the players trying to do tippy toes around the agro. I'm glad to know that they those involved cared enough to bring it to a head. Now we move on.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 7, 2020 18:11:14 GMT
With all respect for Marc O Se and S Moynihan (Royalkerryfan)who were very good footballers and will go down as that. But both have yet to qualify as coaches and prove their coaching ability at a high standard. A lot of Mayo pass players would say different to Marc and Seamus about Donie’s coaching. Donie hasn’t changed his style of coaching since he was with Jack O Connor. The mayo lads loved Donie, did you not see their reaction to him after last year's league final? Conor Mortimer was well gone before Donies influence was seen. Mark my words this is not good at all, If a manager can't put the interest of his county ahead of his own then it's not good at all.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 7, 2020 18:28:42 GMT
Jim Gavin got the best team he could to work with him to allow Dublin to win all Ireland's. Our manager obviously believes he can do it himself. As regards his minor successes he can thank JOC for passing on the team to him. Any manager worth his salt would win with DC in the team What you’re saying is both unfair and untrue. One of the open secrets of Jim Gavin's Dublin management regime is he regularly sought to freshen up his backroom team and his sideline team. New voices, different roles, fresh approaches and constantly innovating was a hallmark of the Jim Gavin era, on and off the field. Prior to his return with Kerry it’s worth remembering as a fact that Donie was indeed a consistent part of Mayo’s management teams that also ultimately consistently failed to win an All Ireland. You win as a team and you fail as a team. Kerry failed to win the All Ireland last year and they are trying something different this year. Fact versus opinion, see the difference.
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Post by brigid on Mar 7, 2020 18:39:51 GMT
At 12.24 this afternoon I got a phone call from Kerry giving the great news that Donie Buckley was no longer part of the Kerry set-up. He was coach in 2011 and I thought that after that disaster we would never see him again involved with Kerry teams. He had great opportunities to succeed with Mayo but always failed at the highest level. I am hoping that Dublin will have him and give other counties a chance to win an All-Ireland. Best of luck to Peter Keane. And please sort out the problems with the breaking ball, but it takes players with courage and intelligence to win breaking ball. Any volunteers?
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 7, 2020 18:57:53 GMT
PK's era will be defined by whether he wins a senior all Ireland or not - his backroom team will be forgotten by most. The county board appointed him as the "top dog" and nobody else - a support team was put in to aid the manager as he was perceived to lack experience at senior intercounty level - he got his experience in 2019 and now it's up to him to deliver and thereby be judged. The support team need to do that- support the manager as best they can and if they feel they can't buy into or sufficiently influence the manager then they are right to leave. We should thank DB for his service to the cause and get on with supporting our county.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:36:27 GMT
PK's era will be defined by whether he wins a senior all Ireland or not - his backroom team will be forgotten by most. The county board appointed him as the "top dog" and nobody else - a support team was put in to aid the manager as he was perceived to lack experience at senior intercounty level - he got his experience in 2019 and now it's up to him to deliver and thereby be judged. The support team need to do that- support the manager as best they can and if they feel they can't buy into or sufficiently influence the manager then they are right to leave. We should thank DB for his service to the cause and get on with supporting our county. Well said. People are very quick to apportion blame here. It is a pity it has not worked out. Usually with these things, there are two sides to the story and then there is the truth. As others have said, imposing Buckley on Peter Keane carried a degree of risk,
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2020 20:04:50 GMT
My main concern is how the players will react.
When DB left during the JOC era, the players were disappointed.
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Post by kerryfootballfan on Mar 7, 2020 21:02:45 GMT
Could someone putup Donies medal haul? What do you mean medal haul ? Are u talking about the medals he has won as a player or a coach. This seems like a typical ‘Kerry’ comment. If you don’t have ‘medals’, does that mean you should be cast in the heap of non medal holders
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2020 21:14:20 GMT
I wonder does this rift go back to tactics for the replay last year.
The approach was quite different with the long ball which Dublin mopped up and led to 3 points. Then the "bearna baol" at the start of the second half for Murchins goal was in stark contrast to the tight defense Kerry deployed the first day.
I thought they should have continued in the same vein for the replay. It was poor score taking the first day that was the real problem...a lot of which were very scorable.
Anyway, this rift might have nothing at all to do with the 2019 final...i am just surmising.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2020 21:16:19 GMT
Could someone putup Donies medal haul? What do you mean medal haul ? Are u talking about the medals he has won as a player or a coach. This seems like a typical ‘Kerry’ comment. If you don’t have ‘medals’, does that mean you should be cast in the heap of non medal holders If Croke Park was in Castlebar, Donies medal haul would look fine.
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Post by MeathExile on Mar 7, 2020 23:21:20 GMT
Surely the likes of Marc and Seamus and Aidan O M could be persuaded into giving specific coaching for the defenders.. poor defending is miles easier to fix than poor forwards. They would not have to be full time selectors - in fact ad-hoc coaching sessions would help to add some interest to the training sessions. Food for thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 1:23:46 GMT
Could someone putup Donies medal haul? What do you mean medal haul ? Are u talking about the medals he has won as a player or a coach. This seems like a typical ‘Kerry’ comment. If you don’t have ‘medals’, does that mean you should be cast in the heap of non medal holders It is a straightforward question. You are reading too much into it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 1:28:00 GMT
What do you mean medal haul ? Are u talking about the medals he has won as a player or a coach. This seems like a typical ‘Kerry’ comment. If you don’t have ‘medals’, does that mean you should be cast in the heap of non medal holders If Croke Park was in Castlebar, Donies medal haul would look fine. True and if Croke Park was in Edendork and the final held in February, Mickey Harte would have a few more medals also 😜😜
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Post by 1955 on Mar 8, 2020 8:23:13 GMT
The story being peddled is that Donie Buckley walked.This is lies,he was sacked by the manager and the chairman should have been honest enough to admit that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 8:59:23 GMT
If that is the case, Buckley should come out and say that.
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Post by amryranger on Mar 8, 2020 9:14:49 GMT
Could someone putup Donies medal haul? I think he won a club all Ireland in '85 playing at full forward. What's your own medal haul and where did you play?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 9:21:28 GMT
Could someone putup Donies medal haul? I think he won a club all Ireland in '85 playing at full forward. What's your own medal haul and where did you play? You go first Has he won anything as a coach?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 8, 2020 9:49:15 GMT
If Croke Park was in Castlebar, Donies medal haul would look fine. True and if Croke Park was in Edendork and the final held in February, Mickey Harte would have a few more medals also 😜😜 Taking your point to its logical conclusion, had Conor Lane penalised Bastick for the clean pickup of the ground at the end of those finals, there would have been no three in a row not to mention five in a row for Dublin and Donie would be a winner as a coach and his CV would be grand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 10:04:59 GMT
True and if Croke Park was in Edendork and the final held in February, Mickey Harte would have a few more medals also 😜😜 Taking your point to its logical conclusion, had Conor Lane penalised Bastick for the clean pickup of the ground at the end of those finals, there would have been no three in a row not to mention five in a row for Dublin and Donie would be a winner as a coach and his CV would be grand. The point is Croke Park will never be in Castlebar so no point presenting a scenario in which it is
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 8, 2020 10:19:41 GMT
Taking your point to its logical conclusion, had Conor Lane penalised Bastick for the clean pickup of the ground at the end of those finals, there would have been no three in a row not to mention five in a row for Dublin and Donie would be a winner as a coach and his CV would be grand. The point is Croke Park will never be in Castlebar so no point presenting a scenario in which it is Lets agree to disagree on that.
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Post by Galway breeze on Mar 8, 2020 10:41:23 GMT
So it emerged that Donie was sacked not walked. There is a lot of IFs on this forum eg. If the ref did this.... If we played at .... and so on. I will give ye an IF you want to be a champion you must get over the IFs because they will always be IFs.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 8, 2020 12:27:38 GMT
So it emerged that Donie was sacked not walked. Where has it emerged? Who confirmed this?
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Post by Fado on Mar 8, 2020 13:32:15 GMT
When Donie was with Mayo he was credited with a huge improvement in their tackling. Kerry needed plenty of help in that department too, and when Donie arrived there was great expectation. I don't know what his responsibilities were but I don't see much improvement in our tackling.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 8, 2020 16:03:27 GMT
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 8, 2020 20:10:16 GMT
Well we are where we are and none of us can change any thing that happened in the last few days.
Trying to anticipate what effects this might have as the season unfolds, it has to be said that in the past PK did tighten up defences that were in early season, considered to be leaky and got defenders playing intelligent football and covering for each other.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 8, 2020 20:28:47 GMT
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