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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 9, 2019 20:57:13 GMT
Word on the street up here is that DCB are waiting on Dessie Farrell to decide if he is going to take the job.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 9, 2019 21:33:37 GMT
is Dessie with the GPA now or whats he working at.
I read his book years ago.... i wouldnt recommend it to a friend who is feeling low and needs a lift!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 9, 2019 21:42:02 GMT
Word on the street up here is that DCB are waiting on Dessie Farrell to decide if he is going to take the job. The version I heard was that they want to know if he is interested? Did Jim leave it late for a reason? - you'd have thought such a decisive man would have walked on AI final day. Is there logic here or is there something else we don't know about, maybe private? Would Jayo not be in that league?
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 9, 2019 21:53:31 GMT
Jayo wasnt very popular when he was minor manager. Not amongst a lot of clubs anyway
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Post by glengael on Dec 10, 2019 9:15:19 GMT
TG4 had the highlights of the Kerry v Dublin League Match 2019 on last night. It's amazing how many incidents in that match I seem to have forgotten despite being there!
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 12, 2019 20:06:09 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 12, 2019 20:44:49 GMT
Big boots to fill, the bravest move anyone ever made, if he won another 5 in a row he will still only be following Jim's footsteps and for which they are 9/1, if he doesn't then he will be deemed a failure - no pressure Dessie!
I suppose there will be a noble handover and I wish him well, but not well enough to beat us of course!
I wonder if Jayo will be in the backroom - the reason I mention him is that Jim appeared to hold him in high regard?
Very encouraging that we have 11 new recruits ourselves and the competition must be fierce. As a Ballydonoghoor I'd be hoping that Jason Foley improves moves up another gear again this year and some respected national commentator (Moran?) is wondering if (and when?) our Jaso will be the dream FB. No pressure Jaso!
Pressure everywhere, can't wait for the action, gets better with the years!
P.S. On the subject of odds, while I find them an interesting angle on matches, should we have a rule that bars mention of them on here? I'd be indifferent and I like a bet myself but luckily it never got a grip on me thank God, my late mother had the bug and anyone who knew her will be surprised, anyone who knew here really well mightn't! Thank God we had no betting shop in Lisselton though she was always too busy anyway. That she was lucky would not have been a help - she sold plenty of winning tickets in the Sweepsstakes and didn't her own mother draw a horse a generation ago in the Grand National in that same Sweepstakes -they walked to school barefooted at the time I think, in fact they heard the news at school and Granny thought her 3 daughters were making it up until a telegram came from bookmaker Terry Rogers offering to buy it from here as he fancied the horse to win it -no phones! And how lucky was Gran - the nag led at the last fence, only to fall on landing, mother doing the commentary on it would give MOM a run for his money, God be with them and the days!
Quote of the Paidí day - The auld turkey doesn't taste the same without the cannister on the dresser!
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 14, 2019 0:09:44 GMT
Sport GAA Fixtures & The GPA and CPA are both of the opinion the current fixture calendar does not work The Club Players Association and the Gaelic Players Associations, the inter-county representative body, have released a joint statement calling for the club-only windows in the calendar to be lengthened.
The call comes as the GAA prepares to take its Fixtures Review Task Force report to regional seminars to get feedback from the various stakeholders.
The two bodies have agreed on the principal that "the club is the primary basic unit of the GAA from which everything springs" and that "the inter-county game is the GAA's biggest promotional and developmental tool...and must be fully recognised in restructuring our national games calendar."
They have called for club window in April / May to be of six weeks' duration "to allow the fairest opportunity for the window to be successfully utilised".
They also want the club window following the All-Ireland senior football final to last a minimum of nine weeks before the provincial club championships begin.
The CPA and GPA say that the club windows will only work if all provinces start their inter-county championships on the same date and that "November should be used exclusively as an off season for inter-county players", except for clubs taking part in the provincial championships.
The two associations also want the GAA to put strong governance and guidelines in place to ensure the club windows are properly observed in every county.
Michéal Briody, Chairman of the CPA, said: "The one common ground that the CPA have always shared with the GPA is the recognition that the current fixtures calendar doesn't work fairly for any set of players.
"The CPA have advocated for a radical structural change to the fixtures calendar since our formation in 2017.
"It is important now that the options for change put forward from the Task Force are disseminated to clubs immediately so that the debate can begin nationwide on what level of change is acceptable."
CEO of the GPA Paul Flynn said: "One of our core pillars is to protect the welfare of our members.
"It is therefore vital that fixtures are properly governed to ensure the fundamental link between club and inter-county players is fully recognised and strengthened within the fixtures calendar."
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 14, 2019 0:11:07 GMT
Interesting that both groups find common ground. The GAA can hardly ignore this
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 15, 2019 18:57:06 GMT
The Dublin players & JG carried themselves very well on the Sports Awards show last night. They always come across very well, a credit to their county. Looking forward to seeing if Kerry can overtake them next summer.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 15, 2019 18:58:46 GMT
Interesting that both groups find common ground. The GAA can hardly ignore this They'll have to agree on four regional provincial areas of eight teams in each.
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Post by kerryexile on Dec 16, 2019 1:41:27 GMT
I see on the weekend papers that our sponsor Kerry Group bid in the region of 26.2 billion for a company in the USA. It is reassuring that a company with that clout is behind us.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 18, 2019 8:11:50 GMT
Gaelic Football Colm Keys: 'How a friendship for life was forged from the fallout of Gaelic football's most iconic goal'
Offaly’s hero Darby recalls bond that grew between himself and Doyle after 1982 final
Colm Keys
On the morning of Eugene McGee’s funeral last May, Tommy Doyle called into Seamus Darby’s house for breakfast.
They chatted about different things before both went their separate ways further north to Longford to pay their respects to the late Offaly manager. Doyle had to be back in Kerry by a certain time, Darby knew it would be a ‘late one’ in the company of his former colleagues. Otherwise, they’d have shared the journey.
They still sat in the same pew together in the church though, joined by John Guinan who was also marked by Doyle in the 1982 All-Ireland final.
“One time sporting adversaries bound together by the great legacies of 1982 – it gave both sides new friends for life,” recalled Darby in his recently published autobiography ‘About That Goal’.
‘That’ goal doesn’t need a preface. Nor does the story of the substitute who altered the course of history with his intervention in the dying stages of that final, steering Kerry off course from a first ever men’s senior ‘five-in-a-row’ in either Gaelic football or hurling at intercounty level, and how the fame that followed sent his life on a different path, not always the one he would have laid out for himself.
But threaded through ‘About That Goal’ is the strength of the friendship that grew between the central characters in that much talked about passage of play when Doyle was the fall guy, beneath Liam O’Connor’s delivery when Darby plucked it from above him with the deftest nudge to land the fatal blow. The seed was sewn the day after the 1982 final when Darby and the Offaly squad arrived for the traditional post-match luncheon in the Burlington Hotel (discontinued in 2000) where both squads came together and he noticed that Doyle wasn’t there.
Out of concern, he made enquiries with Mike Sheehy and Jack O’Shea, they told him he was feeling low and had decided to skip the event before suggesting that he (Darby) might give him a call.
“Now I was really upset, both with myself for not thinking that for every upside, someone has a downside and also I now knew for sure that Tommy was suffering,” wrote Darby.
“The last thing I’d ever want to be is in the limelight at someone else’s expense. Sport does that, it turns out heroes and villains and when you are on the wrong side, it can be a very lonely place to be. As I had just found out.
“In the aftermath, I knew I was thinking purely about the goal from my own and Offaly’s perspective. There was so much backslapping with people around me celebrating our victory that I had little or no time to think about Tommy.”
He made that phone call and they agreed that whenever they were in each other’s vicinity they would meet up.
Abuse
“I often thought of Tommy in the weeks and months after the game and hoped he was coping with the abuse that was being hurled in his direction.”
They did meet somewhat freakishly around the time of the 1986 All-Ireland final when Darby was in Kerry selling wallpaper and they bumped into each other on the street in Killarney.
“We hadn’t arranged a rendezvous before I set out and in a time when there was no internet or mobile phones making contact was much harder,” recalled Darby in the book.
“I was walking down the street when I just happened to bump into him. It couldn’t have worked out any better.” They went for ‘one’ that turned out to be a few and spoke about everything except the goal.
“We probably knew what each other thought, and simply left it at that. That time together in Killarney cemented our friendship.”
Their careers had gone different directions, Darby’s winding down while Doyle’s soared from the adversity to win three more All-Ireland medals, complemented by All Stars in each of those years as well as lifting the Sam Maguire Cup as captain in 1986, something that gave Darby real satisfaction.
“As I watched him lift the Sam Maguire over his head in Croke Park that day, I felt a huge surge of pride and satisfaction inside. I suppose it is like the sort of feeling you experience if a member of your family achieves something.”
Ironically, they both ended up in London some years later working in the bar industry. One afternoon Darby got the address of the pub where Doyle was a barman and took a tube and a bus to it only to discover that he had returned to Kerry.
It was only years later that Darby learned of the depth of abuse that Doyle had suffered straight after the game, absorbing a left hook from a Kerry supporter, surrounded by four or five others, irate that the defeat had “cost us £10,000”.
Doyle had never said much about it, not even to his closest friends, but felt compelled to speak up on Radio Kerry in 2018 after departing manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice had told of the abuse he had taken during his time in charge of the county senior team.
These days cross county friendships are more likely to be forged through third-level contact than more than inter-county rivalry. But between Kerry and Offaly the ties from 1982 run deep, none deeper, it seems, than that between the two main protagonists.
“I’d do anything for Tommy and he has always been the same for me,” said Darby.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 18, 2019 8:14:17 GMT
Tommy Doyle showed remarkable resiliance in putting that goal behind him. He became a great player and was a real leader towards the end of the 80s when the old team was breaking up.
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Post by southward on Dec 18, 2019 18:59:42 GMT
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 18, 2019 22:20:53 GMT
Templenoe lads wont be available against Dublin I presume. Their match is on the same day
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2019 9:35:55 GMT
A few hours after the replay this year i got chatting to a Kerryman in a hostelry off O'Connell Street. I never met him before and I wouldnt recognise him again. It was one of those situations where one imparts a bit of wisdom into the ear of another in a crowded pub.
His main point was that Jim Gavin had read the book about how baseball was changed by the use of metrics and statistics and that JG had clearly taken on board key parts of it. He himself had read the book he said.
I thought no more about it till Netflix suggested i watch a film this week called Moneyball. The film is based on the book and a great film it is too. You dont need to know anything about baseball to follow it.
We are well used now to Cluxton retaining possession from kickouts and Dublin retaining possession till the simple point is available in front of the posts.
This approach is very likely to have been devised from evaluating stats similar to whats described in the film.
More below
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2019 9:37:34 GMT
Moneyball is a 2011 American biographical sports drama film directed by Bennett Miller and written by Steven Zaillian and Aaron Sorkin. The film is based on Michael Lewis's 2003 nonfiction book of the same name, an account of the Oakland Athletics baseball team's 2002 season and their general manager Billy Beane's attempts to assemble a competitive team.
In the film, Beane (Brad Pitt) and assistant GM Peter Brand (Jonah Hill), faced with the franchise's limited budget for players, build a team of undervalued talent by taking a sophisticated sabermetric approach to scouting and analyzing players. Columbia Pictures bought the rights to Lewis's book in 2004.[4]
Moneyball premiered at the 2011 Toronto International Film Festival[5] and was released on September 23, 2011 to box office success and critical acclaim. The film was nominated for six Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actor for Pitt and Best Supporting Actor for Hill.
Plot Edit Oakland Athletics general manager Billy Beane is hurt by his team's loss to the New York Yankees in the 2001 American League Division Series. With the impending departure of star players Johnny Damon, Jason Giambi, and Jason Isringhausen to free agency, Beane needs to assemble a competitive team for 2002 with Oakland's limited budget.
During a scouting visit to the Cleveland Indians, Beane meets Peter Brand, a young Yale economics graduate with radical ideas about how to assess player value. Beane tests Brand's theory by asking whether he would have drafted Beane out of high school; though scouts considered Beane hugely promising, his career in the major leagues was disappointing. Brand admits that, based on his method of assessing player value, he would not have drafted him until the ninth round. Impressed, Beane hires Brand as his assistant GM.
Rather than relying on scouts' experience and intuition, Brand uses sabermetrics, selecting players based on their on-base percentage (OBP) while ignoring their perceived weaknesses. Brand and Beane use this methodology to hire undervalued players such as unorthodox submarine pitcher Chad Bradford, aging outfielder David Justice, and injured catcher Scott Hatteberg.
Oakland scouts are hostile toward the strategy, and Beane fires head scout Grady Fuson after he accuses Beane of destroying the team. Beane also faces opposition from Art Howe, the Athletics' manager. With tensions already high between them due to a contract dispute, Howe disregards Beane's and Brand's strategy and plays a more traditional lineup that he prefers.
Early in the season, the Athletics are already 10 games behind first, leading critics to dismiss the new method as a failure. Brand argues their sample size is too small to conclude the method does not work, and Beane convinces team owner Stephen Schott to stay the course. He trades away the lone traditional first baseman, Carlos Peña, to force Howe to use Hatteberg, making similar deals so Howe has no choice but to play the team Beane and Brand have designed. Three weeks later, the Athletics are only 4 games behind first.
Two months later, the team starts an amazing winning streak. Beane famously does not watch games, but when they tie the American League record of 19 consecutive wins, his daughter persuades him to attend the next game, against the Kansas City Royals. Oakland is leading 11–0 when Beane arrives in the fourth inning, only to watch the Royals even the score. Thanks to a walk-off home run by Hatteberg, the Athletics achieve a record-breaking 20th consecutive win. Beane tells Brand he will not be satisfied until they have "changed the game" by winning the World Series using their system.
The Athletics eventually clinch the 2002 American League West title, but lose to the Minnesota Twins in the 2002 American League Division Series. Beane is contacted by the owner of the Boston Red Sox, who realizes that sabermetrics is the future of baseball. Beane declines an offer to become the Red Sox general manager, despite the $12.5 million salary, which would have made him the highest-paid general manager in history. He returns to Oakland, and two years later the Red Sox win the 2004 World Series using the model the Athletics pioneered.
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 19, 2019 9:49:58 GMT
Templenoe lads wont be available against Dublin I presume. Their match is on the same day Think you can add in Jack Barry & Diarmuid O’Connor also.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 20, 2019 2:43:38 GMT
Moneyball is a 2011 American biographical sports drama film directed by Bennett Miller and written by Steven Zaillian and Aaron Sorkin. The film is based on Michael Lewis's 2003 nonfiction book of the same name, an account of the Oakland Athletics baseball team's 2002 season and their general manager Billy Beane's attempts to assemble a competitive team. In the film, Beane (Brad Pitt) and assistant GM Peter Brand (Jonah Hill), faced with the franchise's limited budget for players, build a team of undervalued talent by taking a sophisticated sabermetric approach to scouting and analyzing players. Columbia Pictures bought the rights to Lewis's book in 2004.[4] Moneyball premiered at the 2011 Toronto International Film Festival[5] and was released on September 23, 2011 to box office success and critical acclaim. The film was nominated for six Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actor for Pitt and Best Supporting Actor for Hill. Plot Edit Oakland Athletics general manager Billy Beane is hurt by his team's loss to the New York Yankees in the 2001 American League Division Series. With the impending departure of star players Johnny Damon, Jason Giambi, and Jason Isringhausen to free agency, Beane needs to assemble a competitive team for 2002 with Oakland's limited budget. During a scouting visit to the Cleveland Indians, Beane meets Peter Brand, a young Yale economics graduate with radical ideas about how to assess player value. Beane tests Brand's theory by asking whether he would have drafted Beane out of high school; though scouts considered Beane hugely promising, his career in the major leagues was disappointing. Brand admits that, based on his method of assessing player value, he would not have drafted him until the ninth round. Impressed, Beane hires Brand as his assistant GM. Rather than relying on scouts' experience and intuition, Brand uses sabermetrics, selecting players based on their on-base percentage (OBP) while ignoring their perceived weaknesses. Brand and Beane use this methodology to hire undervalued players such as unorthodox submarine pitcher Chad Bradford, aging outfielder David Justice, and injured catcher Scott Hatteberg. Oakland scouts are hostile toward the strategy, and Beane fires head scout Grady Fuson after he accuses Beane of destroying the team. Beane also faces opposition from Art Howe, the Athletics' manager. With tensions already high between them due to a contract dispute, Howe disregards Beane's and Brand's strategy and plays a more traditional lineup that he prefers. Early in the season, the Athletics are already 10 games behind first, leading critics to dismiss the new method as a failure. Brand argues their sample size is too small to conclude the method does not work, and Beane convinces team owner Stephen Schott to stay the course. He trades away the lone traditional first baseman, Carlos Peña, to force Howe to use Hatteberg, making similar deals so Howe has no choice but to play the team Beane and Brand have designed. Three weeks later, the Athletics are only 4 games behind first. Two months later, the team starts an amazing winning streak. Beane famously does not watch games, but when they tie the American League record of 19 consecutive wins, his daughter persuades him to attend the next game, against the Kansas City Royals. Oakland is leading 11–0 when Beane arrives in the fourth inning, only to watch the Royals even the score. Thanks to a walk-off home run by Hatteberg, the Athletics achieve a record-breaking 20th consecutive win. Beane tells Brand he will not be satisfied until they have "changed the game" by winning the World Series using their system. The Athletics eventually clinch the 2002 American League West title, but lose to the Minnesota Twins in the 2002 American League Division Series. Beane is contacted by the owner of the Boston Red Sox, who realizes that sabermetrics is the future of baseball. Beane declines an offer to become the Red Sox general manager, despite the $12.5 million salary, which would have made him the highest-paid general manager in history. He returns to Oakland, and two years later the Red Sox win the 2004 World Series using the model the Athletics pioneered. Did you read the book an see the film Mick? Would you recommend?? Ok to see the film first -we have Netflix and I'm sure I'll be able to have exclusive TV access for at least wan hour over xMas!!! I read a book called 'Bounce' and partly because Bernard Brogan had read it - a few points were very relevant to the GAA and I think I may have mentioned it on here by way of what we will call an unofficial review. On reflection, looks like Artificial Intelligence was key? Now that sets the cat among the pigeons - I'll be run out of the place!
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 20, 2019 8:32:00 GMT
I just watched the film. I might buy the book by Michael Lewis.
I think sometimes GAA players are dismissed unless they have all the skills but in a team environment, being brilliant at a small number of skills may be where its at.
I would point to Seamus Scanlon as an example. You wouldnt want him at the end of a move taking shots for scores but he was brilliant at the give and go link man bit between the two Ds as well as being able to win primary possession.
Michael Darragh McAuley is another who is brilliant at a small number of things but is hugely effective in a team game.
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 21, 2019 22:53:21 GMT
I just watched the film. I might buy the book by Michael Lewis. I think sometimes GAA players are dismissed unless they have all the skills but in a team environment, being brilliant at a small number of skills may be where its at. I would point to Seamus Scanlon as an example. You wouldnt want him at the end of a move taking shots for scores but he was brilliant at the give and go link man bit between the two Ds as well as being able to win primary possession. Michael Darragh McAuley is another who is brilliant at a small number of things but is hugely effective in a team game. Try The Undoing Project by Michael Lewis. You might find it interesting .
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 22, 2019 14:59:59 GMT
I just watched the film. I might buy the book by Michael Lewis. I think sometimes GAA players are dismissed unless they have all the skills but in a team environment, being brilliant at a small number of skills may be where its at. I would point to Seamus Scanlon as an example. You wouldnt want him at the end of a move taking shots for scores but he was brilliant at the give and go link man bit between the two Ds as well as being able to win primary possession. Michael Darragh McAuley is another who is brilliant at a small number of things but is hugely effective in a team game. Try The Undoing Project by Michael Lewis. You might find it interesting . Easons in Derry had Moneyball in stock so it must have had positive reviews, the film is also on Netflix so both on my To Do list. Tell us about the The Undoing Project? I heard of 'Bounce' by Matthew Syed and hesitated in purchasing, now I don't know if it was because I'd be into the media with Ballythefireside or what but I was getting a mixed message, i.e. some reviews stoked my interest while others were bland. Then I saw that Bernard Brogan was reading it and followed suit. It turned out just like the reviews, there would be pages of meaningless rigmarole and then a bolt of some really interesting point. There was one amazing revelation, i.e. re the table tennis champion author taking experimental serves from Andre Anagssi, to go any further might risk ruining it for anyone about to read it. Still I would say that much of what is in the book would be routinely familiar to GAA folk, e.g. the English author appeared to be somewhat amazed that interest and consequently ability in a specific game could spread within a community, in his case table tennis. I felt like informing him that there was numerous clusters of DNA in every parish in Ireland, in every household! I read another 'notable' article of old and similarly, if the author was familiar with things GAA he would be ashamed with what he thought was revealing - if a child in rural Ireland was saying what was written by these experts you'd tell him (or her) to zip it! IMO the only ones who don't realise that Gaelic Games are a wonder of the world are those who are immersed in it and I'd wonder which is more skillful, the sliotar or the size 5. I have read up a bit on this subject down the years and to say I find it intriguing would be an underestimation. Like those 'immersed', I wrote poems without being mindful of what was driving the inspiration with the words flowing like you'd turn on a tap, dam bursts in cases and then the likes of Michael O Muircheartaigh would drive you to another level of pure intoxication. Ah I'm going on a bit here, but one final point - The GAA is by far the most prominent amateur sport in the whole world, i.e. in terms of it's concentration where it is played that is, i.e. it is not a widely played sport in global terms but where it is played it is so entrenched in the community that nothing even comes close. Rugby was the Welsh national sport comes to mind but I don't think it would be up there. A Donegaller recently commented to me that if you didn't know what was happening in the GAA you wouldn't have anyone to talk to in his local pub and taking that at face value I wonder if there are similar instances in Kerry? And Lord save if the women hear this!
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Post by Leathama on Dec 28, 2019 10:09:13 GMT
What kind of team are we expecting this Sunday against Cork?
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 28, 2019 10:35:02 GMT
Unfamiliar I would suggest
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 28, 2019 14:27:02 GMT
I wasnt wrong.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 31, 2019 17:30:53 GMT
Just 18 inter county players now with All Ireland football medals who are not Dubs.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 6, 2020 15:29:44 GMT
Changing the subject and this is a genuine query. How dr why did Kerry let Conor Cox go. He is carrying the Roscommon team.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 6, 2020 18:42:16 GMT
Changing the subject and this is a genuine query. How dr why did Kerry let Conor Cox go. He is carrying the Roscommon team. I'd say he had a point to prove as he felt he should have gotten the start with us, his spectacular shows with Rossies like fellas going all out at the death in a game, a few in Listowel inc Billy Kenaes Kingdom vocal but Peter & Co know best, I mean 'tis hardly as if they decided to select someone who Conor was better than, and of course nobody is infallible, even God O'Dwyer admitted to miscalls. Quote of the day The man who never made a mistake never made anything
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Post by An Bradán on Jan 6, 2020 18:51:43 GMT
Changing the subject and this is a genuine query. How dr why did Kerry let Conor Cox go. He is carrying the Roscommon team. I like Conor, always have. Always thought he was a very talented and promising player. Disappointed to see him switch to the Rossies but it didn't look like he was going to get a run for Kerry. He would have been perceived as a selfish player in the past. This was largely due to Listowel Emmets being dependent on him for scores I guess. It was often a case of Conor getting the ball, not passing and going for the score. If I am correct he and a few other lads crossed swords with Eamon Fitz too. That didn't help his cause. We could do with him but it's not going to happen now.
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