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Post by goonised on Oct 23, 2018 10:10:57 GMT
And the biggest laugh is Tom Sullivan ran the ball out over sideline and after melee dingle still got line ball
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Post by goonised on Oct 23, 2018 10:14:04 GMT
My point is why does brawls bewildering decisions unbelievable time keeping bizarre issuing of cards follow the linesmen from yesterday around. Ludicrous point. You cannot blame a linesman for a brawl breaking out! That’s moronic! bizarre issuing of cards is an opinion. Have you spoken to said linesmen to find out what the cards were for? How can you tell? Well from my vantage point linesman on stand side got east kerry manager sent off for god only knows. As for umpires in horans end omg
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 23, 2018 10:28:36 GMT
Ludicrous point. You cannot blame a linesman for a brawl breaking out! That’s moronic! bizarre issuing of cards is an opinion. Have you spoken to said linesmen to find out what the cards were for? How can you tell? Well from my vantage point linesman on stand side got east kerry manager sent off for god only knows. As for umpires in horans end omg You must have the frequency of their headpieces so! I was in the stand and saw him jog across to the melee and saw him with the ref and the other linesman discussing what was going on. Have you an inside track that you know he got East Kerry manager sent off? my two cents - thought the East Kerry manager was totally innocent but impossible to tell who made that call.
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Post by goonised on Oct 23, 2018 10:49:18 GMT
Well from my vantage point linesman on stand side got east kerry manager sent off for god only knows. As for umpires in horans end omg You must have the frequency of their headpieces so! I was in the stand and saw him jog across to the melee and saw him with the ref and the other linesman discussing what was going on. Have you an inside track that you know he got East Kerry manager sent off? my two cents - thought the East Kerry manager was totally innocent but impossible to tell who made that call. Fair point could have been either linesman or umpires I suppose. I'm only going on what came from East kerry camp.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 23, 2018 11:20:29 GMT
You must have the frequency of their headpieces so! I was in the stand and saw him jog across to the melee and saw him with the ref and the other linesman discussing what was going on. Have you an inside track that you know he got East Kerry manager sent off? my two cents - thought the East Kerry manager was totally innocent but impossible to tell who made that call. Fair point could have been either linesman or umpires I suppose. I'm only going on what came from East kerry camp. Either way I think it’s good that the officials are wired up. Haven’t seen it too often this year. At least they can communicate with each other so someone must have spotted something! I agree that the two umpires at the Horans end had a poor first half. Couple of decisions that they were ponderous on and this didn’t help the ref but they are human..... im just very slow to criticize the officials for melees breaking out as they can’t possibly control that. They can certainly be criticized for other things but not that.
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Post by goonised on Oct 23, 2018 13:33:59 GMT
Fair point could have been either linesman or umpires I suppose. I'm only going on what came from East kerry camp. Either way I think it’s good that the officials are wired up. Haven’t seen it too often this year. At least they can communicate with each other so someone must have spotted something! I agree that the two umpires at the Horans end had a poor first half. Couple of decisions that they were ponderous on and this didn’t help the ref but they are human..... im just very slow to criticize the officials for melees breaking out as they can’t possibly control that. They can certainly be criticized for other things but not that. I would imagine the top officialspot will be on duty next Sunday
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Post by genuinefan on Oct 23, 2018 15:03:12 GMT
Last week I put up a post about the problems with sidelines at GAA matches.Alot of people seem to be giving out about the position of the dugouts in ASP. Remember these problems are arising at all different levels of games. It is even happening at U12 games up and down the country. Getting back to ASP. As I stated last week there never seems to be a problem with Intercounty games at this venue because if it did the KCB would be hit with huge fines. So therefore it is a problem for KCB to sort out. People spoke last week about the number of personnel standing on the sideline but again last Sunday Dingle had eight people standing on the sideline. EK in fairness to them had from what I could see only 2. A Bainisteoir and the Maor Faoirne. Bothe of whom had bibs on them. About 2 mins into the game the official KCB official in the dug out, the sameone one who was made a mess of it the week before came out of his dugout and rightly approached a Dingle sub who was standing with his back against the wall to go back into the dugout with the other subs. Hower in going down to talk to this player and going back to his dugout he passed the 8 Dingle personnel standing on thee sideline without saying anything to them. I believe if he dealt with them properly the melee later on might have been as bad. Finally to the contributor who was giving out about the old, fat umpires. These are the same people that are out doing umpire on bad days. I wonder how many times this individual has done umpire on a wet and windy day. The problem with the sideline might be solved for next Sunday but I am sure we will be back to this subject again. I hear that both clubs were fine only 1000€ each. I think Dingle will take that if they bring home the cup.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2018 15:20:58 GMT
Fair point could have been either linesman or umpires I suppose. I'm only going on what came from East kerry camp. Either way I think it’s good that the officials are wired up. Haven’t seen it too often this year. At least they can communicate with each other so someone must have spotted something! I agree that the two umpires at the Horans end had a poor first half. Couple of decisions that they were ponderous on and this didn’t help the ref but they are human..... im just very slow to criticize the officials for melees breaking out as they can’t possibly control that. They can certainly be criticized for other things but not that. Ciarrailar would you favour bringing in outside refs for the knockout stages of the county championship. The kerry hurling final of 2018 was reffed by the man who reffed the 2017 all ireland senior hurling final. Players by and large respect officials who are at the top of their game. If they did that and reduced the official numbers on the sideline from 16 each to 9 each...6 subs plus three mentors....the issue would go away to a large extent.
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Post by yellowbelly on Oct 23, 2018 16:19:35 GMT
www.the42.ie/dingle-east-kerry-austin-stack-park-4301202-Oct2018/A DINGLE OFFICIAL has been handed a proposed eight-week ban arising out of the brawl that erupted in Sunday’s Kerry county senior football semi-final. Dingle triumphed in the last four tie against East Kerry at Austin Stack Park to set up a county final meeting with Dr Crokes next Sunday afternoon but the game was marred by the scenes at the start of the second half that saw players and management from both sides clashing close to the dugouts at the Tralee venue. The CCC of the Kerry county board met on Monday to consider the report of referee Paul Hayes from the game and it is believed that they have proposed an eight-week suspension to a Dingle official for his part in the row. East Kerry boss Gerry O’Sullivan was sent to the stand after the altercation but he has been subsequently cleared of any involvement. East Kerry players Paudie and David Clifford, who both received red cards during the game, will serve one-match bans for their offences with those suspensions kicking in at the start of the 2019 county senior football championship. It is also understood that both East Kerry and Dingle were handed out fines for failing to control their players, and no further suspensions are expected for any other players regarding their involvement. The Dingle official has three days to appeal the proposed eight-week ban on receipt of notification.
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Post by veteran on Oct 23, 2018 18:01:12 GMT
Either way I think it’s good that the officials are wired up. Haven’t seen it too often this year. At least they can communicate with each other so someone must have spotted something! I agree that the two umpires at the Horans end had a poor first half. Couple of decisions that they were ponderous on and this didn’t help the ref but they are human..... im just very slow to criticize the officials for melees breaking out as they can’t possibly control that. They can certainly be criticized for other things but not that. Ciarrailar would you favour bringing in outside refs for the knockout stages of the county championship. The kerry hurling final of 2018 was reffed by the man who reffed the 2017 all ireland senior hurling final. Players by and large respect officials who are at the top of their game. If they did that and reduced the official numbers on the sideline from 16 each to 9 each...6 subs plus three mentors....the issue would go away to a large extent. Some Kilmoyley players showed scant respect to Fergal Horgan at the end of county hurling final.
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Post by Premier on Oct 23, 2018 18:35:06 GMT
www.the42.ie/dingle-east-kerry-austin-stack-park-4301202-Oct2018/A DINGLE OFFICIAL has been handed a proposed eight-week ban arising out of the brawl that erupted in Sunday’s Kerry county senior football semi-final. Dingle triumphed in the last four tie against East Kerry at Austin Stack Park to set up a county final meeting with Dr Crokes next Sunday afternoon but the game was marred by the scenes at the start of the second half that saw players and management from both sides clashing close to the dugouts at the Tralee venue. The CCC of the Kerry county board met on Monday to consider the report of referee Paul Hayes from the game and it is believed that they have proposed an eight-week suspension to a Dingle official for his part in the row. East Kerry boss Gerry O’Sullivan was sent to the stand after the altercation but he has been subsequently cleared of any involvement. East Kerry players Paudie and David Clifford, who both received red cards during the game, will serve one-match bans for their offences with those suspensions kicking in at the start of the 2019 county senior football championship. It is also understood that both East Kerry and Dingle were handed out fines for failing to control their players, and no further suspensions are expected for any other players regarding their involvement. The Dingle official has three days to appeal the proposed eight-week ban on receipt of notification. Jesus 8 weeks for that is a joke. The county board are going to be lynched for that online and across the country. Can you imagine what the reaction from people within the county had been if a selector from an opposition county ran on and punched one of the Kerry players in an inter county game. They will do very well to sweep this under the carpet which seems like their intention
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Post by peanuts on Oct 23, 2018 19:10:28 GMT
I think 8 weeks is the standard suspension for this incident according to the rule book (I think Wallace got the same) but yes it seems very lenient.
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Post by goonised on Oct 23, 2018 19:15:12 GMT
8 weeks the rule. Out of county bord hands. Good to see Jerry Sullivan exonerated even tho it too late as the damage done from linesmen
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2018 19:23:11 GMT
Having Paul Geaney as captain in 2019 is another good reason to wish for a Dingle win.
Paul would make a great captain in my opinion.
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Post by whacker on Oct 23, 2018 19:25:04 GMT
8 weeks the rule. Out of county bord hands. Good to see Jerry Sullivan exonerated even tho it too late as the damage done from linesmen Jerry was wrongly sent off in fairness but do you think it caused much damage ?
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 23, 2018 19:41:10 GMT
Either way I think it’s good that the officials are wired up. Haven’t seen it too often this year. At least they can communicate with each other so someone must have spotted something! I agree that the two umpires at the Horans end had a poor first half. Couple of decisions that they were ponderous on and this didn’t help the ref but they are human..... im just very slow to criticize the officials for melees breaking out as they can’t possibly control that. They can certainly be criticized for other things but not that. Ciarrailar would you favour bringing in outside refs for the knockout stages of the county championship. The kerry hurling final of 2018 was reffed by the man who reffed the 2017 all ireland senior hurling final. Players by and large respect officials who are at the top of their game. If they did that and reduced the official numbers on the sideline from 16 each to 9 each...6 subs plus three mentors....the issue would go away to a large extent. Honestly, I don’t think I would. I go to a lot of football games around this county and the biggest problem is not the standard of refereeing. It’s the so called experts on the sidelines who peddle their own version of the rules. If we start getting outside referees to do our big games then we’ll never have top quality referees for big occasions here. They’ll never get experience.. That match on Sunday was frenzied from start to finish and with such a big crowd then I’m sure the officials were probably nervous as well as the players. The issue will be solved when players and mentors start showing respect for the rules and the officials. For this to happen we need the referees to be stronger and for them all to be uniform in their approach. Ive seen a couple of referees this year that take a very strong line when it comes to abuse and I’ll be honest, I was delighted to see it. Trouble is, ive seen too many other referees that take abuse and don’t act.... this is the crux of the issue.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 23, 2018 19:45:17 GMT
8 weeks the rule. Out of county bord hands. Good to see Jerry Sullivan exonerated even tho it too late as the damage done from linesmen I’m delighted to see Gerry exonerated. He’s a gent and to be fair I didn’t see him involved in any way.
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Post by whacker on Oct 23, 2018 19:51:53 GMT
Jerry was wrongly sent off in fairness but do you think it caused much damage ? East kerry were totally lost on line after his departure. From my vantage point there wasnt even phone contact. However granted the game was probably gone from them anyway. If I were in his shoes I'd have refused to leave. To b honest I thought they were absolutely lost from the first minute , they did nothing to tighten up their backline after they conceded three goals
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Post by goonised on Oct 23, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
East kerry were totally lost on line after his departure. From my vantage point there wasnt even phone contact. However granted the game was probably gone from them anyway. If I were in his shoes I'd have refused to leave. To b honest I thought they were absolutely lost from the first minute , they did nothing to tighten up their backline after they conceded three goals Valid point to be fair
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Post by Hicser on Oct 23, 2018 20:11:26 GMT
I can agree getting to the nitty gritty of who threw what is tedious but to stifle the argument on this topic is not right, it’s far too important. There is a GAA man from Dunboyne County Meath recovering from a bleed to his brain after an unprovoked attack while attending a champions league match in Liverpool. Fair to say there has always been trouble at soccer matches down through the years. From what we have seen all over the country the potential for someone to get seriously hurt is now present in our games. If the odd punch is somewhat acceptable and has always been there, (I don’t believe it was) maybe we should think about that GAA man and the impact on his family! Its not just tedious to name those who threw punches. It is potentially libelous especially when it seems the innocent people were being named. No one condones what went on. I am trying to keep the forum from being put into "maintenance mode". Fair enough Control, that makes sense,
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 23, 2018 20:18:22 GMT
We’ve a vote on Friday to amend the constitution which has been there since 1937. I think the CCCC need to have a look at their outdated rules as well - 8 weeks for that & what happened in the Ardfert/ Mitchels game is a joke. If it happened to one of my kids I’d be going further with it, the man could have suffered a serious injury.
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Post by Premier on Oct 23, 2018 20:26:26 GMT
8 weeks the rule. Out of county bord hands. Good to see Jerry Sullivan exonerated even tho it too late as the damage done from linesmen I think what people are missing here is that it says a minimum of 8 weeks in the official rule book. This surely gives room for it to be considerably longer, otherwise the word minimum is a waste of time. Also just below that a section on discrediting the association states that expulsion from the GAA can be considered. This might fall into that category
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 23, 2018 21:11:03 GMT
8 weeks the rule. Out of county bord hands. Good to see Jerry Sullivan exonerated even tho it too late as the damage done from linesmen I think what people are missing here is that it says a minimum of 8 weeks in the official rule book. This surely gives room for it to be considerably longer, otherwise the word minimum is a waste of time. Also just below that a section on discrediting the association states that expulsion from the GAA can be considered. This might fall into that category Correct, minimum 8 weeks.... crazy that it’s only that!
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Post by yerah on Oct 23, 2018 22:06:12 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 24, 2018 14:14:44 GMT
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Post by goonised on Oct 24, 2018 15:05:49 GMT
There seems to be some lack of knowledge of the process surrounding it. 8 weeks is the penalty for the infraction. It's not the minimum. 8 weeks is penalty end of. The only people up in arms seems to be the social media warrior's. Good chance a melee will happen again next sunday and will happen somewhere else in country. Too much at stake too much effort and finance invested in teams to let last sunday events cloud the mindset. Winning is all that matters Sunday not whether twas a nice game of football. I remember early in year talking to fellas from ardfert who said they were drinking pints with mitchels lads an hour after their game which had a melee. Once there is handshakes after thats it. Talk of garda involvement and court is talk for real non GAA people and *ter warriors. The only thing clubs involved can ask is the best officials are on duty on pitch on the line umpiring and tracking subs and additional time.let the guards take care of getting us in and out of stacks park as quickly and safely as possible.
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Post by tman59 on Oct 24, 2018 15:17:15 GMT
8 weeks the rule. Out of county bord hands. Good to see Jerry Sullivan exonerated even tho it too late as the damage done from linesmen Jerry was wrongly sent off in fairness but do you think it caused much damage ? Must damage? Do you think he wasn’t socially embarrassed to have to walk off the pitch in front of that big crowd with his family in the crowd watching??! After doing nothing!! Ger Lynch supposedly sent him off! Disgraceful I taught.
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Post by goonised on Oct 24, 2018 15:21:31 GMT
Jerry was wrongly sent off in fairness but do you think it caused much damage ? Must damage? Do you think he wasn’t socially embarrassed to have to walk off the pitch in front of that big crowd with his family in the crowd watching??! After doing nothing!! Ger Lynch supposedly sent him off! Disgraceful I taught... Correct. which ever linesmen it was should come out publicly and say it. Might do there image no harm
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Post by Premier on Oct 24, 2018 15:47:24 GMT
There seems to be some lack of knowledge of the process surrounding it. 8 weeks is the penalty for the infraction. It's not the minimum. 8 weeks is penalty end of. The only people up in arms seems to be the social media warrior's. Good chance a melee will happen again next sunday and will happen somewhere else in country. Too much at stake too much effort and finance invested in teams to let last sunday events cloud the mindset. Winning is all that matters Sunday not whether twas a nice game of football. I remember early in year talking to fellas from ardfert who said they were drinking pints with mitchels lads an hour after their game which had a melee. Once there is handshakes after thats it. Talk of garda involvement and court is talk for real non GAA people and *ter warriors. The only thing clubs involved can ask is the best officials are on duty on pitch on the line umpiring and tracking subs and additional time.let the guards take care of getting us in and out of stacks park as quickly and safely as possible. Stating that ‘8 weeks is the penalty end of’ is grossly untrue. While stating in the rules at it is a minimum of 8 weeks, rule 7.5 (b) states under the headline of gravity that a suspension of up to 96 weeks can be handed out as well.
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Post by goonised on Oct 24, 2018 16:03:26 GMT
Category 2A infraction was the offence. Correct penalty applied
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