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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 27, 2018 18:14:36 GMT
My God, some of the names mentioned on the previous page are baffling. Is Kerry football really in that bad a state? Tony Brosnan Killian Spillane David Shaw Diarmuid O'Connor Kieran Murphy Shane Ryan Stefan Okunbor Andrew Barry Tomas O'Sé Which of these names would you consider baffling? In my opinion Andrew Barry and Tomas O'Sé are well off the level required and David Shaw isn't quite good enough either. After that I think there all of a high standard and good enough to at least be given the chance to prove themselves. The player I have seen the least of is Kieran Murphy but I have heard he is very talented if he could get away from the injuries. I would, as things stand that both Murphy & Okunbor are a decent bit away- the latter due to ability and the former due mainly to injuries. Spillane, Brosnan & Ryan are all good enough to be there in the next 18 months and maybe even now. I like Shaw and think he has something to offer as he is a big man and can finish. I like Barry but think that he may just be a little bit away from intercounty level but he is a very good player and could improve
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Post by 1979 on Jul 27, 2018 18:26:00 GMT
I know I am dragging the thread off topic but, the standard of officiating is a joke at this stage. I'm not talking about the referee getting an interpretation wrong its the wilful ignorance of the off the ball nonsense that goes on. Its in every match. Fellas getting pucked and pulled off the ball and nothing is done about it. Then the ref might spot one off the ball transgression and give a free abut 60 yards up the pitch when all hell has been breaking loose behind his back at the other end. I really don't know what the f**k the umpires are actually there to do along with the linesman. Having been to all Kerry games this season and watched some other matches as well the game is going to pot. Forget all this nonsense of its a mans game etc, pinching lads, and hitting them off the ball is cowardly. Kilkenny was constantly blocking runs in clones the last night wile the ball was been worked out of defence and poking his man in the chest etc. Just mentioned him, you could pick a number of players from any team. I have no problem with a team being physical but, some of the carry on is ridiculous. The GAA really need to clean up the sport because the way its going it is very hard to watch. I think part of the problem is that the ball moves so slow half the time. The umpires are close to redundant in their current role (or at least could be with a further roll-out of technology in the next few yrs). In fact, when they are called upon they usually make a horlicks of it. For the national league next yr, why not require that every umpire be a referee whose main responsibility is to monitor off the ball activity, bring transgressions to the attention of the referee, and recommend courses of action? In doing so get the message out to players that the focus will be on instigators. There does of course need to be a disincentive for retaliation, but one usually only reacts to something! Apologies for going even further off topic by the way.
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 27, 2018 20:34:27 GMT
Veteran makes some great points on the general level of blackguarding. Agree wholeheartedly. But was it ever thus. Memories of Mick Lyons etc come flooding back. No angels. And there was a lot more than a fistful of jersey going on. But unfortunately I don't see any solution unless the officiating aspect is drastically overhauled. You'd be looking at a ref in each half of the pitch, greater input from linesman and umpires for a start. Probably tmo type gadgetry too. On McKenna, I acknowledge the point about not shooting the messenger but... I find it no coincidence that he wrote said piece days after his own county came a cropper. He lay the blame squarely at Galway door only. That is just disingenuous. He's writing as a supporter, someone with an agenda, rather than an impartial journalist. Disagree with veteran on him being based in Brazil. He sees it all through the prism of tv. Attending a game gives insights that tv just doesnt. McKenna knows this. Because of his history of negative comment on Dublin, and they are numerous, I am suspicious of anything he writes.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 27, 2018 20:43:09 GMT
Outlaw these "jersey punches" is the first step. It is illegal to put your hands on a man/woman on the street, and should be likewise when not contesting for the ball.
Ditto the two-handed push to the chest, and of course the mighty shoulder to let your opponent know you're here.
No physical contact except when playing the ball.
The game will get better very quickly - HQ need to run a big campaign on getting these mini scraps out of the game. Refs, linemen and umpires will have to be right on top of it...the card goes to the player making first contact.
I'm no law expert, but the person who throws the first punch is usually the guilty one - the GAA choose to penalize the retaliation/self defense act instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 21:17:31 GMT
The little bit of needle before the game or a bit pushing and shoving doesn't bother me as much, the main thing is that once the ball is in play, the game is referred correctly. Also any outright thuggery needs to be eliminated. Intercounty football is pretty clean for the most part.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 27, 2018 21:56:46 GMT
Veteran makes some great points on the general level of blackguarding. Agree wholeheartedly. But was it ever thus. Memories of Mick Lyons etc come flooding back. No angels. And there was a lot more than a fistful of jersey going on. But unfortunately I don't see any solution unless the officiating aspect is drastically overhauled. You'd be looking at a ref in each half of the pitch, greater input from linesman and umpires for a start. Probably tmo type gadgetry too. On McKenna, I acknowledge the point about not shooting the messenger but... I find it no coincidence that he wrote said piece days after his own county came a cropper. He lay the blame squarely at Galway door only. That is just disingenuous. He's writing as a supporter, someone with an agenda, rather than an impartial journalist. Disagree with veteran on him being based in Brazil. He sees it all through the prism of tv. Attending a game gives insights that tv just doesnt. McKenna knows this. Because of his history of negative comment on Dublin, and they are numerous, I am suspicious of anything he writes. Seems it was pretty much a one way street from Galway. Galway v Monaghan should be pretty interesting with this new zeal from Galway coming up against "another northern team" in their own liking............!
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Post by pillar on Jul 28, 2018 11:13:23 GMT
I see EF exhalting the Kerry fans to come to Killarney next Saturday. Says for a football mad county that support should be out in force. Have to say I agree with him.Ive spoken to a lot of experts who haven't been in Croker or Clones for Super 8s.Time for support is now,and wait for the season to be over for the post mortem.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 28, 2018 12:03:46 GMT
While I agree with the idea that we should go along to support our team, and I fully believe that we will, I have no time for this crap from the management. It was the same with Mikey last year and its just an attempt to shift focus from the fact that they are not showing up themselves. They should concentrate on getting their tactics and selection right for the first time in the super 8's and not on what number of fans show up.
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Post by pillar on Jul 28, 2018 12:16:15 GMT
While I agree with the idea that we should go along to support our team, and I fully believe that we will, I have no time for this crap from the management. It was the same with Mikey last year and its just an attempt to shift focus from the fact that they are not showing up themselves. They should concentrate on getting their tactics and selection right for the first time in the super 8's and not on what number of fans show up. We are poorly supported tho to be fair..and I know there's long journeys involved but we could do better!!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 28, 2018 12:20:59 GMT
While I agree with the idea that we should go along to support our team, and I fully believe that we will, I have no time for this crap from the management. It was the same with Mikey last year and its just an attempt to shift focus from the fact that they are not showing up themselves. They should concentrate on getting their tactics and selection right for the first time in the super 8's and not on what number of fans show up. We are poorly supported tho to be fair..and I know there's long journeys involved but we could do better!! The cost and time it takes to go to Dublin for games is just too much for most people- look at our last 2 fixtures and you can how unrealistic it is for people to get to and fro. Give us every game in Killarney and we'll have a good support!
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Post by buck02 on Jul 28, 2018 12:32:46 GMT
I see EF exhalting the Kerry fans to come to Killarney next Saturday. Says for a football mad county that support should be out in force. Have to say I agree with him.Ive spoken to a lot of experts who haven't been in Croker or Clones for Super 8s.Time for support is now,and wait for the season to be over for the post mortem. And the Munster Final was on too late on a Saturday evening for a lot of them too. I think there was around 12,000 in Killarney for the Donegal league game and around 14,000 for the Clare game in the championship. Around 12,000 in Cork for the Munster Final, around 2,500 for the Galway game in Croke Park and in Clones, maybe a third of those Dublin based. Saturday evening of the bank holiday weekend there might be around 14,000 there for the Kildare game. Which would be 1,400 only for David Clifford.
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Post by southward on Jul 28, 2018 13:24:59 GMT
While I agree with the idea that we should go along to support our team, and I fully believe that we will, I have no time for this crap from the management. It was the same with Mikey last year and its just an attempt to shift focus from the fact that they are not showing up themselves. They should concentrate on getting their tactics and selection right for the first time in the super 8's and not on what number of fans show up. While it's hard to disagree with Eamonn here, those he's calling on to rally around are the same people who, not so long ago, he referred to as "every Tom, Dick and Harry", whose "opinions don't count". Really, he'd be better off saying nothing.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2018 13:31:51 GMT
While I agree with the idea that we should go along to support our team, and I fully believe that we will, I have no time for this crap from the management. It was the same with Mikey last year and its just an attempt to shift focus from the fact that they are not showing up themselves. They should concentrate on getting their tactics and selection right for the first time in the super 8's and not on what number of fans show up. It does sound like a deflection tactic alright at this stage.
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Post by pillar on Jul 28, 2018 13:42:00 GMT
While I agree with the idea that we should go along to support our team, and I fully believe that we will, I have no time for this crap from the management. It was the same with Mikey last year and its just an attempt to shift focus from the fact that they are not showing up themselves. They should concentrate on getting their tactics and selection right for the first time in the super 8's and not on what number of fans show up. While it's hard to disagree with Eamonn here, those he's calling on to rally around are the same people who, not so long ago, he referred to as "every Tom, Dick and Harry", whose "opinions don't count". Really, he'd be better off saying nothing. I know a family who spend a fortune staying in top Dublin hotels for every final and semi final Kerry are in and that's the only 2 games they go to all year..there a prime example of Tom Dick and Harry
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 14:21:51 GMT
Amazing how sensitive people are.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 28, 2018 15:03:27 GMT
I don’t think the majority of people on here are being overly sensitive- they are just calling up the managements fairly pathetic attempts to shift focus. The lack of support didn’t have a factor in choosing to leave McManus 1 on a inside last weekend or in not having a functioning kick out strategy after 6 years in charge
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 16:09:48 GMT
They are separate issues, linking this to the performance of the team demonstrates how thin skinned people are.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 28, 2018 16:20:37 GMT
Given that Gaelic football and hurling are high-contact sports, refereeing is difficult and will only get worse with the increasing emphasis on S&C - Strength & Conditioning. That it is an amateur sport means that resources are not as plentiful as with say Soccer and Rugby, both of which are comparable in terms of the level of contact, though professional. We already have Hawk Eye and one thing that bugs me is why the officials don't have instant access to what we see on TV - I think the process of selecting clips is called 'scanning' and so couldn't evidence of infringement be sent to a refs Smart phone? I mean there is nothing worse than the the audience knowing something that those on camera don't - this is known as 'dramatic irony' in film/theatre and you'd have to say such commonality is itself ironic, and more dramatic than anything that Sheakespeare or even Ballythefireside have produced to date! It is shameful that an entire season's work could be lost as a consequence of referees' miscall and that is all the worse for what are elite if amateur sportsmen. On the same subject, I wonder are there decisions purposefully made to serve a hidden agenda and nobody can deny that the auld Dubs have benefited here as the GAA target the big population, i.e. competing with other sports. Now I don't begrudge our Dubs but there is no place for ulterior motives, least of all in the voluntary and so spirited sport that is the GAA. On an entirely different note, I see in today's Independent that Ciarán Whelan believes that any team that can best us at mid-field can beat us - now Ciarán you may have played in Croker once or twice more than me but ANY team that loses MF is at risk of losing the game, even the good auld Dubs! I believe this Kerry brigade can go all the ways this year and what I saw at Omagh and Clones last weekend reinforces my thinking. Yes, we need to tighten up and sharpen up but the depth and coverage we have in every respect is truly remarkable - we want for nothing an we must be proud of the commitment of the entire army. I am detecting that Donegal also sense that they can progress and in a way I am haunted at the prospect of a Green & Gold AI final. I have often joked about it having a bita crack but be-jazus it would be funny if it wasn't now getting so bloody serious - Rock and a hard Place! I'd be like the players from the county bounds decamping to Ventry for a week after winning a Munster Final - yerra no, Donegal folk personify sport but they also take it very seriously and a poor lone Kerryman has to be careful where he opens his mouth on things Gaelic football these days. Ah sure I should be so lucky to have both my home and adopted county in the Super 8s and for that I can only be grateful, once I live to tell the tale!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 28, 2018 16:27:27 GMT
They are separate issues, linking this to the performance of the team demonstrates how thin skinned people are. Yeah you’re right, mikey Sheehy is very thin skinned
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2018 16:47:44 GMT
They are separate issues, linking this to the performance of the team demonstrates how thin skinned people are. Its the performance of management that needs the diversion tactic
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 28, 2018 17:12:11 GMT
Winning next week and potentially still beimg eliminated will be a strange feeling. Bank holiday Sat with a town full of people i wouldnt be worried about lack of support. I think people are reading to much into it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 17:16:34 GMT
They are separate issues, linking this to the performance of the team demonstrates how thin skinned people are. Yeah you’re right, mikey Sheehy is very thin skinned Very true, if only Mikey was more like you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 17:19:32 GMT
They are separate issues, linking this to the performance of the team demonstrates how thin skinned people are. Its the performance of management that needs the diversion tactic So you say but you have kind of missed the point
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2018 17:23:35 GMT
Its the performance of management that needs the diversion tactic So you say but you have kind of missed the point 😂
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 28, 2018 18:10:58 GMT
Its the performance of management that needs the diversion tactic So you say but you have kind of missed the point The point is that the management are using the fans as a diversion tactic from their inability to get the best out of the team- then ironically you are claiming that others are missing the point! Last year Mikey had a pop at the Kerry fans after we were well beaten by Mayo but that was just idiotic as we lost due to giving a lad his championship debut as a sweeper and due to leaving Enright get cleaned out for the second weekend in a row. Now Fitz is trying to shift the focus again due to the managements short comings
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Post by john4 on Jul 28, 2018 18:25:22 GMT
Does anyone know what % of ticket sales money Kerry Gaa actually receive from a home fixture like this. Maybe its just the cynic in me but when I first heard this call for support I immediately associated it with euros towards the centre of excellence.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 28, 2018 18:32:05 GMT
Does anyone know what % of ticket sales money Kerry Gaa actually receive from a home fixture like this. Maybe its just the cynic in me but when I first heard this call for support I immediately associated it with euros towards the centre of excellence. And what if it is? Id prefer if it was rather than it going to munster GAA or central funding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 18:36:56 GMT
Yeah it is all a great plan to deflect from performance or it just be maybe a point worth raising and should be debated on its own merits.
Only an idiot would think that raising the issue of fan attendance would ever deflect from the analysis of the team performance.
It is possible to debate both.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 18:38:13 GMT
Does anyone know what % of ticket sales money Kerry Gaa actually receive from a home fixture like this. Maybe its just the cynic in me but when I first heard this call for support I immediately associated it with euros towards the centre of excellence. So what, don't go but feel free to criticise.
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Post by john4 on Jul 28, 2018 18:39:55 GMT
Does anyone know what % of ticket sales money Kerry Gaa actually receive from a home fixture like this. Maybe its just the cynic in me but when I first heard this call for support I immediately associated it with euros towards the centre of excellence. And what if it is? Id prefer if it was rather than it going to munster GAA or central funding. Oh absolutely, that's the point I'm making, there's nothing atall wrong with this. That is why, apart from wanting to see the game anyway, that I will be there. It's a fantastic project and needs to be funded.
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