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Post by Fado on Jul 18, 2018 23:46:31 GMT
I know John Dennis off Austin Stacks has been in with Kerry the last few weeks. If he's up to the pace I would throw him corner back and let him get up the arse off McManus. John has been rolling back the years for Stacks this year and this would be a just reward for him. This has to be one of the most outrageous posts I've ever read on this forum. Is this his mammy by any chance? There are certain aspects of that post that tells me that it's probably not his mammy posting.
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Post by taibhse on Jul 19, 2018 6:48:15 GMT
Any update on the injury front. If Foley and Morley are both out it reduces our options big time. Foley is out - Morley 50/50.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:42:55 GMT
Any update on the injury front. If Foley and Morley are both out it reduces our options big time. Foley is out - Morley 50/50. If Morley is also out, we will be missing a lot of size/physicality. Griffin will certainly come in.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 19, 2018 8:03:58 GMT
Its a real "loaves and fishes" situation with Monaghan though given their small pick. They havent much in the reserve outside of the first 15 and two of those reserves are injured apparently.
Kerry is more than twice the size of Monaghan
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2018 8:23:19 GMT
Foley is out - Morley 50/50. If Morley is also out, we will be missing a lot of size/physicality. Griffin will certainly come in. Surely Gavin Crowley could give us that physicality that we need.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 19, 2018 9:55:58 GMT
This has to be one of the most outrageous posts I've ever read on this forum. Is this his mammy by any chance? I hope you are been sarcastic. How could you possible bring in a fella that has never played inter county football before and throw him in to Mark s player of McManuss callibre..🤔🤔🤔🤔 You want physicality in the backline? He can provide it. You want a leader on the pitch? He can provide it. I was merely making a suggestion and since this is a message board I was opening up a debate where I'm entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not. Mr Dennis came into the county final replay in which Stacks won and bate off the field so called aspiring Kerry forwards. Since I have it under good authority he is in with the Kerry squad maybe you know more than management? There's no reason why he can't go out there Sunday and keep McManus scoreless. I expect us to be like animals Sunday and feel John Dennis can add to that ruthlessness in the back because it's something we're lacking at the moment.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 10:49:01 GMT
I hope you are been sarcastic. How could you possible bring in a fella that has never played inter county football before and throw him in to Mark s player of McManuss callibre..🤔🤔🤔🤔 You want physicality in the backline? He can provide it. You want a leader on the pitch? He can provide it. I was merely making a suggestion and since this is a message board I was opening up a debate where I'm entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not. Mr Dennis came into the county final replay in which Stacks won and bate off the field so called aspiring Kerry forwards. Since I have it under good authority he is in with the Kerry squad maybe you know more than management? There's no reason why he can't go out there Sunday and keep McManus scoreless. I expect us to be like animals Sunday and feel John Dennis can add to that ruthlessness in the back because it's something we're lacking at the moment. He is a good player in fairness but, its expecting a lot to go from no game time at all to shackling one of the besr forwards in Ireland. I think his club mate shannahan might have a better chance of a game.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 10:50:37 GMT
Just had a chance to listen to terrace talk. I dont normally think much of Sylvester's commentary but, in fairness he more or less called out the management which is a lot more that other 'experts' have done. Had a stat that Kerry haven't beaten a division 1 team in the championship since 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 10:56:47 GMT
Just had a chance to listen to terrace talk. I dont normally think much of Sylvester's commentary but, in fairness he more or less called out the management which is a lot more that other 'experts' have done. Had a stat that Kerry haven't beaten a division 1 team in the championship since 2015. One of those stats that sound interesting but really tell you nothing we don't already know. Kerry lost to Dublin in 2016, mayo in 2017 and Galway this year.
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Post by veteran on Jul 19, 2018 11:21:25 GMT
What is the nature of Jason's injury? That man will be a big loss. Likewise Tadgh Morley. With Killian suspended our options back there are severely compromised. If Ronan Shanahan does not start in those circumstances he may as well throw his hat at his intercounty career under the current management. Mark Griffin? He looked as giddy and jittery as ever when he came on last Sunday. I feel he should be kept as far away as possible from our goal area if selected.
I know little or nothing about John Dennis(spelling) . There was a time when you could pluck a guy like that into the panel at this time of the year but not anymore I suspect , with each player having been on an individual fitness regime since last autumn or thereabouts.
I have said it before and I will say it again pick Peter Crowley in the full back line and not just in theory. His pace belongs to history.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 12:24:24 GMT
I have said it before and I will say it again pick Peter Crowley in the full back line and not just in theory. His pace belongs to history. The full back line would be the last place i would play him if his pace is gone. Especially if we plan to push up and go man to man.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 19, 2018 12:35:00 GMT
If Foley and Morley are injured and with Killian suspended, who do people expect to mark McManus and McCarthy?
Shane Enright has picked up McManus a few times before, I think they could parachute him back in for this one. Begley looks most capable of marking McCarthy, despite his poor display on Sunday.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 14:02:35 GMT
The list below is whats available to use defense wise, Im not sure if Gavin Crowley is injured or not.
Enright Morely (50/50) P Crowley G Crowley Murphy Shannahan White Griffin Tom O'Sullivan
Last time enright and griffin started championship for kerry the were torn apart by mayo. P Crowley is not a full back G Crowley has no football player Morely is half injured Tom O'Sullivan did well last week Murphy and White were both poor last week
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Post by clarinman on Jul 19, 2018 14:16:03 GMT
The list below is whats available to use defense wise, Im not sure if Gavin Crowley is injured or not. Enright Morely (50/50) P Crowley G Crowley Murphy Shannahan White Griffin Tom O'Sullivan Last time enright and griffin started championship for kerry the were torn apart by mayo. P Crowley is not a full back G Crowley has no football player Morely is half injured Tom O'Sullivan did well last week Murphy and White were both poor last week Fionn Fitzgerald is also an option.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 14:30:36 GMT
we can prob take it that Paul Murphy, Gavin White and prob Tom O'Sullivan will all start along with P Crowley. None of them are actually giants in fairness. We could be caught with the high ball ourselves
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Post by allrounder on Jul 19, 2018 14:36:48 GMT
I hope you are been sarcastic. How could you possible bring in a fella that has never played inter county football before and throw him in to Mark s player of McManuss callibre..🤔🤔🤔🤔 You want physicality in the backline? He can provide it. You want a leader on the pitch? He can provide it. I was merely making a suggestion and since this is a message board I was opening up a debate where I'm entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not. Mr Dennis came into the county final replay in which Stacks won and bate off the field so called aspiring Kerry forwards. Since I have it under good authority he is in with the Kerry squad maybe you know more than management? There's no reason why he can't go out there Sunday and keep McManus scoreless. I expect us to be like animals Sunday and feel John Dennis can add to that ruthlessness in the back because it's something we're lacking at the moment. As a Stacks man, I think JD should really start a few games for us before he starts for Kerry. Has been struggling with injuries for at least 12 months. I wouldn't believe the radio in "your sources" house.
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Post by MeathExile on Jul 19, 2018 15:04:46 GMT
Watched the Galway game again last night. In an earlier post I had compared it to 2001 Meath, but I was wrong. It was not as bad as 2001, but very similar to 2010 vs Down. Luckily, however, our lads have a chance to redeem themselves whereas it was game over in 2010.
I know everyone has lost the plot over last Sunday, but in reality we had no luck early on - could have been 3 or 4 up after 10 minutes if shooting boots were on. Then, after Killian send-off, we lost all shape - similar to the last miserable day I had in Croker vs Dublin in the league.
Darraghs point re standing up and taking responsibility is well made - the only time I noticed David (using him as an example - not saying it was only him) taking somebody on and driving forward was after Galway got the goal and the s**t had hit the fan. Likewise, JOD never takes a man on now - only ever looking for the pass. He needs to take the man on and draw a foul if nothing else - he is very difficult to dispossess in that mode. I was amazed at how often he appeared around midfield the last day - utterly pointless - Galway management must have been thrilled. Similarly with Geaney in the second half.
I hope Gavin Crowley is available the next day - he was our best player in Mayo league game when the game was really physical and guys needed to stand up - cant understand why he is not being selected (if not injured). Likewise with Shanahan - another tough nut. Our backs are way too nice - need these 2 lads to add some steel.
Monaghan are very beatable - IF we play our own game and stop bloody worrying about the opposition. Keep 4 lads up front and let Monaghan worry about them. Withdrawing 13/14 players is a losers approach.
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Post by taibhse on Jul 19, 2018 15:10:22 GMT
What do people think of the goalkeeper situation? It looked to me that Shane Murphy got very jittery last Sunday- especially after Killian was dismissed. The last thing you want is a nervous keeper. Changing the keeper will not solve anything though unless they sort out the kick out options. He will be under pressure to hold his place in my view.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 19, 2018 15:19:29 GMT
What do people think of the goalkeeper situation? It looked to me that Shane Murphy got very jittery last Sunday- especially after Killian was dismissed. The last thing you want is a nervous keeper. Changing the keeper will not solve anything though unless they sort out the kick out options. He will be under pressure to hold his place in my view. Agree with you here but who do you replace him with?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 15:42:21 GMT
Looking at it with a long term view and also short term Murphy deserves to be persisted with. Watching the match from the stand the last day the lack of movement was staggering.
When he did hit it long on top of Moran like I presume he was instructed to do we couldn't win the ball anyway. The conditions played a part in this. Anyway he has had a few bad kickouts. Fitz persisted with Kealy and Kelly after a lot worse.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 19, 2018 15:52:13 GMT
I have said it before and I will say it again pick Peter Crowley in the full back line and not just in theory. His pace belongs to history. The full back line would be the last place i would play him if his pace is gone. Especially if we plan to push up and go man to man. I think Peter is our Key Player we need a big shift from him Sunday I’d Play him midfield with Moran only that we are so depleted now in the backs with injury we will probably play him 3 or 6 pace or no pace. Morley and Enright iffy on injuries big risk starting them as they are no way Match ready We need Shannahan Crowley Griffin in the mix Gavan White s total lack of tackling and willingness to shoot when the shot is on puts his place in jeopardy surely
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 19, 2018 15:55:34 GMT
What do people think of the goalkeeper situation? It looked to me that Shane Murphy got very jittery last Sunday- especially after Killian was dismissed. The last thing you want is a nervous keeper. Changing the keeper will not solve anything though unless they sort out the kick out options. He will be under pressure to hold his place in my view. Jittery? He had zero option other than kick long. Galway simply used the extra man to ensure that going short wasnt an option. They learned from the league final.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2018 17:04:27 GMT
The full back line would be the last place i would play him if his pace is gone. Especially if we plan to push up and go man to man. I think Peter is our Key Player we need a big shift from him Sunday I’d Play him midfield with Moran only that we are so depleted now in the backs with injury we will probably play him 3 or 6 pace or no pace. Morley and Enright iffy on injuries big risk starting them as they are no way Match ready We need Shannahan Crowley Griffin in the mix Gavan White s total lack of tackling and willingness to shoot when the shot is on puts his place in jeopardy surely Peter in Midfield ahh come off it. As for the criticism of Gavin white like the whole team bar Clifford he had an off day, So you drop him and replace him with someone slower? No disrecet but we need to look at the bigger picture here and stick with the young lads and add 2/3 changes.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 19, 2018 17:11:30 GMT
Social media awash with ex Kerry players and pundits , along with the County Board looking for supporters to back the team and travel Sunday. Smacks of as much concern for a dead rubber the August weekend as it does team support. Would be easier to gather the troops if they opened the gates of the Fitzgerald Stadium for training so young and old alike could feel a proper solidarity.Anyway I’ll be there wearing my colours but more in hope than expectation. Should be a great occasion to experience. Couldn't agree more!!!
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Post by beantownfan on Jul 19, 2018 17:23:42 GMT
What do people think of the goalkeeper situation? It looked to me that Shane Murphy got very jittery last Sunday- especially after Killian was dismissed. The last thing you want is a nervous keeper. Changing the keeper will not solve anything though unless they sort out the kick out options. He will be under pressure to hold his place in my view. Jittery? He had zero option other than kick long. Galway simply used the extra man to ensure that going short wasnt an option. They learned from the league final. Agree 100% - Murphy has to kick it out to someone! For a large percentage of the kickouts many of the backs were huddled in the middle outside the D, many of them with their backs to the keeper. There were a number of times Murphy threw the ball on the ground as he was walking out looking for a quick snap kickout but practically every time no one was looking outside. Ultimately he ended up having to go long a good many times, and we couldn't catch a break to save our lives.. A keeper's kickout can only be as good as the lads making the moves out the field.. I was actually very impressed with his range on Sunday - I didn't realize he had such a hoof of the ball.. Naturally he made a few mistakes - the conditions were abysmal for a keeoper, slippery surface, slippery ball and lads out the field not showing much aggression/interest in fetching it.. There was one time near the end he drove it out to Geaney but there were 3 Galway men in the same region - it was a very difficult kick to take on - but on the whole I think he is well worth persisting with.. One thing I was not sure on is why he was asked to try kicking the 2 frees that were well outside the 45 - those were very difficult kicks - and I am sure it must dent the confidence in general to run half the field and then boom the ball wide and have to trot back to the goal mouth.. In or around the 45 seem to be well within his range..
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 19, 2018 17:26:45 GMT
I'm hearing 5 changes for Sunday..
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 19, 2018 17:36:21 GMT
Social media awash with ex Kerry players and pundits , along with the County Board looking for supporters to back the team and travel Sunday. Smacks of as much concern for a dead rubber the August weekend as it does team support. Would be easier to gather the troops if they opened the gates of the Fitzgerald Stadium for training so young and old alike could feel a proper solidarity.Anyway I’ll be there wearing my colours but more in hope than expectation. Should be a great occasion to experience. Couldn't agree more!!! Which other county allows this ? Seriously lads you don't have some automatic right to watch these lads in training, those days are gone.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 19, 2018 17:40:46 GMT
Social media awash with ex Kerry players and pundits , along with the County Board looking for supporters to back the team and travel Sunday. Smacks of as much concern for a dead rubber the August weekend as it does team support. Would be easier to gather the troops if they opened the gates of the Fitzgerald Stadium for training so young and old alike could feel a proper solidarity. Anyway I’ll be there wearing my colours but more in hope than expectation. Should be a great occasion to experience. Are ye stuck in the stone age? Open trainings before the biggest match of the year? Other fellas wanting little to no video analysis done then. Joke
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 18:00:03 GMT
Don't agree with open training as such but, it is a bit rich with all this we need your support stuff when there has been no effort to include the supporters.
Not open trainings but, even an open day the week before the Munster final or the week after the Munster final.
As it stands are the only open days the one if they make the all Ireland final and the night at the dogs which is effectively a shake down for money.
And I have always had an issue with the surcharge the county board apply for all Ireland tickets. Doesn't really affect me as a season ticket holder. But ticket prices for a final are expensive without adding to it
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 19, 2018 18:02:12 GMT
Social media awash with ex Kerry players and pundits , along with the County Board looking for supporters to back the team and travel Sunday. Smacks of as much concern for a dead rubber the August weekend as it does team support. Would be easier to gather the troops if they opened the gates of the Fitzgerald Stadium for training so young and old alike could feel a proper solidarity. Anyway I’ll be there wearing my colours but more in hope than expectation. Should be a great occasion to experience. Are ye stuck in the stone age? Open trainings before the biggest match of the year? Other fellas wanting little to no video analysis done then. Joke I don't think it's no or little video analysis but, at some stage you have to play your own game and not just try to stop the opposition. The over reliance on video analysis if it's happening is players can't think for themselves in the game.
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