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Post by 1979 on Jul 24, 2018 19:14:15 GMT
Frustration with linesman . They often have selective blindness. While behaviour towards linesman is unacceptable, it is understandable The question wasn't can we understand the behaviour but can we blame McStay for it and I say yes it was McStay's fault. Of course McStay is responsible for his own actions, but is there not a wider question to be debated about why he hid what he did? In an enjoyable piece about Clifford by Gavin Cummiskey in the Irish Times today, he casually mentioned Clifford being grabbed by the throat by his marker. He got a yellow card for standing up for himself. In the run up to the goal Clifford did brilliantly to extricate himself from the shackles of his marker. He could easily have fallen to the ground and not scored the goal. It’s safe to assume that there would have been no consequence for his marker had he done so. Cian O’Neill was fuming after Kildare’s star player was sent off when he tried to rid himself of some off the ball attention. Just three examples from this weekend of stuff that must drive players, coaches and supporters mad. Thankfully one of them didn’t go unpunished.
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Post by 1979 on Jul 24, 2018 19:15:59 GMT
Frustration with linesman . They often have selective blindness. While behaviour towards linesman is unacceptable, it is understandable The question wasn't can we understand the behaviour but can we blame McStay for it and I say yes it was McStay's fault. Of course McStay is responsible for his own actions, but is there not a wider question to be debated about why he hid what he did? In an enjoyable piece about Clifford by Gavin Cummiskey in the Irish Times today, he casually mentioned Clifford being grabbed by the throat by his marker. He got a yellow card for standing up for himself. In the run up to the goal Clifford did brilliantly to extricate himself from the shackles of his marker. He could easily have fallen to the ground and not scored the goal. It’s safe to assume that there would have been no consequence for his marker had he done so. Cian O’Neill was fuming after Kildare’s star player was sent off when he tried to rid himself of some off the ball attention. Just three examples from this weekend of stuff that must drive players, coaches and supporters mad. Thankfully one of them didn’t go unpunished.
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Post by kot on Jul 24, 2018 20:11:56 GMT
Needed a few days to come to terms with this game before comment. I honestly think we are done for unfortunately. I cannot see Galway's management or players taking too many risks. They will not risk their star players, of there regular starters who will play - many of them will be understandably cautious. If there was 2 weeks break to the semi final then maybe, just maybe.
But theres only a week. If they lose to Monaghan they get the Dubs in a semi, probably a better option than getting them in a final when you are a team who has not experienced it before.
The young lads steppd up for sure, the lads in between who were meant to carry the baton from the last great generation to this crop have been found wanting again I am afraid. We are so lacking in dirty ball winners and the quality of ball into the 3 boys inside is terrible. Murphy didn't have a great game last week but his options were limited,cant think of anything Kelly could possibly have done in the previous week to have warranted him starting instead of him? But again, what is our kickout strategy against these defensive setups? Another 1-17 coughed up and it could have been more really! Mark Griffin being left on McManus for that long is baffling. Where to go from here? We'll probably beat Kildare but our goosed does look well & truly cooked for 2018!
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Post by oldschool on Jul 24, 2018 20:24:41 GMT
On one hand, I can have sympathy with Mcstay but then I think of mcstay as a Sunday game pundit and what he would say if for example a Kerry player did similar and my sympathy immediately evaporates, Yes. You're right. That's the other side of the coin.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 24, 2018 20:27:38 GMT
The question wasn't can we understand the behaviour but can we blame McStay for it and I say yes it was McStay's fault. Of course McStay is responsible for his own actions, but is there not a wider question to be debated about why he hid what he did? In an enjoyable piece about Clifford by Gavin Cummiskey in the Irish Times today, he casually mentioned Clifford being grabbed by the throat by his marker. He got a yellow card for standing up for himself. In the run up to the goal Clifford did brilliantly to extricate himself from the shackles of his marker. He could easily have fallen to the ground and not scored the goal. It’s safe to assume that there would have been no consequence for his marker had he done so. Cian O’Neill was fuming after Kildare’s star player was sent off when he tried to rid himself of some off the ball attention. Just three examples from this weekend of stuff that must drive players, coaches and supporters mad. Thankfully one of them didn’t go unpunished. Yes. That's exactly the point I'm making.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 24, 2018 20:29:29 GMT
Is it only me or did anyone notice the amount of off the ball pulling pushing and dragging of Kerry players in Clones before even the ball was thrown in, particular attention being given to David Clifford? Linesmen didn't want to know. Can we blame Kevin McStay Roscommon manager, for losing it with a linesman? Lord Gough was probably unsighted again.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 24, 2018 20:30:47 GMT
Is it only me or did anyone notice the amount of off the ball pulling pushing and dragging of Kerry players in Clones before even the ball was thrown in, particular attention being given to David Clifford? Linesmen didn't want to know. Can we blame Kevin McStay Roscommon manager, for losing it with a linesman? Lord Gough was probably unsighted again.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 24, 2018 21:19:45 GMT
Reading Aiden O'Rourke's article is like wading through a mathematical proposition. Has football become that complicated? If so, perhaps it should become a degree course at third level. There are some people who feel that Eamon's downfalll is precisely that- over thinking matters with little street wisdom when the battle is on. This question is not posed to belittle Aiden O'Rourke but has he experience of implementing his theories? In other words what is his track record at a practical level. That just might be pertinent. Veteran Football is not that complated. I checked the same thing regarding Aidan O'Rourke. He managed Louth from 2012 to 2014. He had an option to stay for another year but didn't take it aftere being beaten by Tyrone by about 6 pts in the qualifiers. He is/was GAA development officer with Queens and was a selector with Kildare.
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Post by mossie on Jul 24, 2018 22:01:45 GMT
Haven’t had a chance to watch the game back only the Sunday Game highlights so only going on what I saw in clones really. Where do you start with a game like that? I suppose the best place to start is the end. What a sublime piece of skill by Clifford to tuck the ball away in the far corner through that forest of bodies. His weaker right leg with the season on the line; what temperament he has. And it was severely tested all throughout the match. It was probably the only half decent ball that went in to Kieran Donaghy during the match. The change of goalkeeper was a crazy decision in my eyes. The problem with the kick outs is not the goal keeper it’s the movement outside. Ryan has a better kick of the ball and is more accurate. That said Kelly did well especially in the second half once we upped our work rate around the field. Tom O’Sullivan was one of our best players and the biggest compliment I can pay him is that he reminds me a bit of Marc O Se with the dash he cuts up the field but, he can also do his primary job to great effect. Mark Griffin was hung out to dry by the management. He has or never will be the first cousin of a full back. Letting him 1 v 1 versus one of the top marksmen in the game was only ever going to end one way. That said when he knows he is not the best defender in the world it might have been an idea for Mark to stay goalside sore often that trying to read the ball in. After saying all that he provided us with real impetus in the second half when moved to centre back. He also played very well against Mayo in 2014 when he came on there in the replay. So he seems to play very well in a position that is probably tailor made for his strengths. But, management probably know best. If I am right was last Sunday Ronan Shannhan’s belated bow in championship action? And what a cauldron to be thrown into. I thought he did very well and was largely anonymous for periods which is no bad thing for a corner back. I thought he did OK on McManus when he was moved over. He got wrongly penalised for a push in the back in the second half. The supply of ball in to McManus had dried up somewhat in the second half but, I would start him again in the next match. Paul Murphy had a quiet game by his standards but, came into the game when we needed it. I think he is beginning to struggle somewhat as teams are beginning to target his lack of height for both cross field kicks and kick outs. Never really got into his stride to be honest. Peter Crowley was everywhere but nowhere at the same time. Was trying to drop back to cover the full back line at times in the first half but, it just didn’t work. Was prominent towards the and was composed in possession. Was trying to cajole the younger lads all through. Gavin White had a great game. Might have over ran possession a few times but, when thhe game was in the melting pot he really got stuck in. Carried the all to great effect and caught one great kick out as well. The midfield pairing were a disaster if I’m to be honest. Jack Barry looks to be going backwards if anything. Can’t impose himself at all on the game and looks more awkward now when on the ball than anything else. What can I say about David Moran that I haven’t already said? He is living off the memory of 2014. If anything he tries to do too much. Always have preferred Anthony Maher. He mightn’t do anything flash but, he does the basics very well and always retains possession and gives sympathetic ball to the forwards. The last ‘Hollywood’ shot by Moran put, the tin hat on it when there were men free outside him. We really need to think about our midfield for the next day. D Walsh anyone? He was always a good passer of the ball and has the engine if not the pace. Just combination just doesn’t seem to work. Maybe we need to put, a runner in there and forget about the fielding aspect or not make it our primary concern. Our half forward line just looks imbalanced to me. Kevin McCarthy tried hard but, the game seemed to pass him by. Its hard to know what to do with him. He is kind of a bit of everything in a forward, but is neither a corner of wing forward but, a hybrid of both. Sean O’Shea and his free taking kept us in touch in the first half. Does well when on the ball as well. Doesn’t possesses the same speed as the other young lads that have come in this year but, is no slouch by any means. Stephen O’Brien did well in broken play and had his hands full tracking the runs all day. Didn’t solo into as many blind alleys as normal and looked to move the ball on when he got it. Show balls to take on the free that he did. I know it suited a right footed kicker but, it was a score that we needed at the time and he planted it. Clifford was majestic and has one of the sweetest strikes of a ball from the hand I have ever seen. His point from the sideline near the end was glorious. He seems to put no effort into actually kicking the ball. He got enough of treatment off the ball but, was well able to mind himself. His dummy run for the goal and actual finish belied his tender years. Kieran Donaghy while having a massive impact on the outcome of the game was some what peripheral as well. There was no ball played into him at all really. I presume his job was to come out midfield to lend a hand as needed and he did this but, we didn’t really use him going forward at all. He was the only one to try and upset Beggan by being in his eyeline and moving about during his kicks in the second half. Great tap down to Clifford for the equalizer. What do we do with Paul Geaney? People have being moaning about O’Donoghue but, I think that has taken away from the massive drop in Geaney’s performance over the last 2 games. We really have a full forward line that has been flying on 1 wing in the super 8’s. Burns brought a great imapct off the bench, Kicked a wide or two but, quickened the pace of the game. Maher made a difference around the middle. O’Beaghlaoich did well on his introduction. Darran was poor again when introduced and offers nothing at this stage coming off the bench. JO’D gave a great ball in KD (the first one he got all day). Was right to recycle the ball near the end. I think he is suffering from a lack of confidence by not playing football for close to a few years. I think with a full year under his belt in the league he would be a different player. Ideally he would be playing county league games etc and getting the scores up to help his confidence. Kicking 4/5 points in a few county league games would do more for his ability and self belief than training in Fitzgerald stadium I think. There is still a good player in there somewhere. Let’s start with what the management got right. Ronan Shanahan did well. Tom O’Sullivan did very well as well. Moving Mark Griffin to centre back helped us gain a foothold in the middle third. Bringing Maher on was the right call as well. Whatever good they did was easily outweighed by what they got wrong. Leaving Griffin in at full back one and one surrounded by space was kamikaze like. Watching us being cleaned out a midfield for so long and doing nothing about it. Totally ignoring the ‘Donaghy’ option on the edge of the square. Bringing on Darran when he hasn’t performed all year. And the worst of all was bringing Paul Geaney back on. Might have well have called BJK over from the stand and said ‘F*ck You’ to his face. What must the other squad members think? He prattles on about it being a squad game and I saw on the Sunday game he made mention of the lads on the extended panel that made the trip. Sure what is the point and how would you motivate yourself for training after that talking a lot of sense there, just watched the match again on recording James O was right to recycle that ball, the score was not on end of, he also floated a good ball into Donaghy for the goal at the end, and if we had someone to do this earlier in the game, we could have made more hay off star As you say Mark Griffin gave an impetus from centre back when he went there David Moran much criticised but thought he had a decent 2nd half but heck crazy call to shoot at the end Geaney though not in his best form is handling a lot of ball and had a few wides, may be very close to stormer and again the young lads were super, super 8 format is great for their development
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Post by mossie on Jul 24, 2018 22:10:19 GMT
Also meant to say that clones is a nice ground but the town itself not so much. You are being polite, The town is not pleasant, I was amazed how many Guards were around it told me something. FFS lads what do ye expect and what town are ye comparing Clones with? Killarney or Tralee? unfair if so, Kerry is a major tourist county and Killarney a world famous international tourist town, Clones is a town in a tiny county with none of this , apples and oranges lads. As regards a lot of guards, well no harm in that. I didn't witness one iota of trouble and the Guards were helpful in dealing with enquiries from Kerry folk unfamiliar with new surroundings and engaged in the banter. plenty of music and craic in packie willies before the match and closer the ground the Creighton hotel a very good pre game venue, good big screen facility to watch Kildare v galway. all in all clones exceeded expectations for me
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Post by piggott on Jul 24, 2018 22:19:37 GMT
Town was grand. Monaghan crowd not allowing Kerry fans access to unreserved seats, something that will stick in my craw. Stewards ignored this behaviour.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 24, 2018 22:21:47 GMT
You are being polite, The town is not pleasant, I was amazed how many Guards were around it told me something. FFS lads what do ye expect and what town are ye comparing Clones with? Killarney or Tralee? unfair if so, Kerry is a major tourist county and Killarney a world famous international tourist town, Clones is a town in a tiny county with none of this , apples and oranges lads. As regards a lot of guards, well no harm in that. I didn't witness one iota of trouble and the Guards were helpful in dealing with enquiries from Kerry folk unfamiliar with new surroundings and engaged in the banter. plenty of music and craic in packie willies before the match and closer the ground the Creighton hotel a very good pre game venue, good big screen facility to watch Kildare v galway. all in all clones exceeded expectations for me Last sunday was a wonderful experience in Clones...the pride of having such a big game, the organisation, the lovely setting, the locals having a chat with etc
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Post by mossie on Jul 24, 2018 22:22:56 GMT
Town was grand. Monaghan crowd not allowing Kerry fans access to unreserved seats, something that will stick in my craw. Stewards ignored this behaviour. I didn't witness that but black mark if that going on In the uncovered seating , I hadn't such as issue arrived in 15 mins before throw in and got a right good seat, close to midfield, eyed up a gap and made me way in next to another sole kerryman, no probs
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 24, 2018 23:28:24 GMT
Haven’t had a chance to watch the game back only the Sunday Game highlights so only going on what I saw in clones really. Where do you start with a game like that? I suppose the best place to start is the end. What a sublime piece of skill by Clifford to tuck the ball away in the far corner through that forest of bodies. His weaker right leg with the season on the line; what temperament he has. And it was severely tested all throughout the match. It was probably the only half decent ball that went in to Kieran Donaghy during the match. The change of goalkeeper was a crazy decision in my eyes. The problem with the kick outs is not the goal keeper it’s the movement outside. Ryan has a better kick of the ball and is more accurate. That said Kelly did well especially in the second half once we upped our work rate around the field. Tom O’Sullivan was one of our best players and the biggest compliment I can pay him is that he reminds me a bit of Marc O Se with the dash he cuts up the field but, he can also do his primary job to great effect. Mark Griffin was hung out to dry by the management. He has or never will be the first cousin of a full back. Letting him 1 v 1 versus one of the top marksmen in the game was only ever going to end one way. That said when he knows he is not the best defender in the world it might have been an idea for Mark to stay goalside sore often that trying to read the ball in. After saying all that he provided us with real impetus in the second half when moved to centre back. He also played very well against Mayo in 2014 when he came on there in the replay. So he seems to play very well in a position that is probably tailor made for his strengths. But, management probably know best. If I am right was last Sunday Ronan Shannhan’s belated bow in championship action? And what a cauldron to be thrown into. I thought he did very well and was largely anonymous for periods which is no bad thing for a corner back. I thought he did OK on McManus when he was moved over. He got wrongly penalised for a push in the back in the second half. The supply of ball in to McManus had dried up somewhat in the second half but, I would start him again in the next match. Paul Murphy had a quiet game by his standards but, came into the game when we needed it. I think he is beginning to struggle somewhat as teams are beginning to target his lack of height for both cross field kicks and kick outs. Never really got into his stride to be honest. Peter Crowley was everywhere but nowhere at the same time. Was trying to drop back to cover the full back line at times in the first half but, it just didn’t work. Was prominent towards the and was composed in possession. Was trying to cajole the younger lads all through. Gavin White had a great game. Might have over ran possession a few times but, when thhe game was in the melting pot he really got stuck in. Carried the all to great effect and caught one great kick out as well. The midfield pairing were a disaster if I’m to be honest. Jack Barry looks to be going backwards if anything. Can’t impose himself at all on the game and looks more awkward now when on the ball than anything else. What can I say about David Moran that I haven’t already said? He is living off the memory of 2014. If anything he tries to do too much. Always have preferred Anthony Maher. He mightn’t do anything flash but, he does the basics very well and always retains possession and gives sympathetic ball to the forwards. The last ‘Hollywood’ shot by Moran put, the tin hat on it when there were men free outside him. We really need to think about our midfield for the next day. D Walsh anyone? He was always a good passer of the ball and has the engine if not the pace. Just combination just doesn’t seem to work. Maybe we need to put, a runner in there and forget about the fielding aspect or not make it our primary concern. Our half forward line just looks imbalanced to me. Kevin McCarthy tried hard but, the game seemed to pass him by. Its hard to know what to do with him. He is kind of a bit of everything in a forward, but is neither a corner of wing forward but, a hybrid of both. Sean O’Shea and his free taking kept us in touch in the first half. Does well when on the ball as well. Doesn’t possesses the same speed as the other young lads that have come in this year but, is no slouch by any means. Stephen O’Brien did well in broken play and had his hands full tracking the runs all day. Didn’t solo into as many blind alleys as normal and looked to move the ball on when he got it. Show balls to take on the free that he did. I know it suited a right footed kicker but, it was a score that we needed at the time and he planted it. Clifford was majestic and has one of the sweetest strikes of a ball from the hand I have ever seen. His point from the sideline near the end was glorious. He seems to put no effort into actually kicking the ball. He got enough of treatment off the ball but, was well able to mind himself. His dummy run for the goal and actual finish belied his tender years. Kieran Donaghy while having a massive impact on the outcome of the game was some what peripheral as well. There was no ball played into him at all really. I presume his job was to come out midfield to lend a hand as needed and he did this but, we didn’t really use him going forward at all. He was the only one to try and upset Beggan by being in his eyeline and moving about during his kicks in the second half. Great tap down to Clifford for the equalizer. What do we do with Paul Geaney? People have being moaning about O’Donoghue but, I think that has taken away from the massive drop in Geaney’s performance over the last 2 games. We really have a full forward line that has been flying on 1 wing in the super 8’s. Burns brought a great imapct off the bench, Kicked a wide or two but, quickened the pace of the game. Maher made a difference around the middle. O’Beaghlaoich did well on his introduction. Darran was poor again when introduced and offers nothing at this stage coming off the bench. JO’D gave a great ball in KD (the first one he got all day). Was right to recycle the ball near the end. I think he is suffering from a lack of confidence by not playing football for close to a few years. I think with a full year under his belt in the league he would be a different player. Ideally he would be playing county league games etc and getting the scores up to help his confidence. Kicking 4/5 points in a few county league games would do more for his ability and self belief than training in Fitzgerald stadium I think. There is still a good player in there somewhere. Let’s start with what the management got right. Ronan Shanahan did well. Tom O’Sullivan did very well as well. Moving Mark Griffin to centre back helped us gain a foothold in the middle third. Bringing Maher on was the right call as well. Whatever good they did was easily outweighed by what they got wrong. Leaving Griffin in at full back one and one surrounded by space was kamikaze like. Watching us being cleaned out a midfield for so long and doing nothing about it. Totally ignoring the ‘Donaghy’ option on the edge of the square. Bringing on Darran when he hasn’t performed all year. And the worst of all was bringing Paul Geaney back on. Might have well have called BJK over from the stand and said ‘F*ck You’ to his face. What must the other squad members think? He prattles on about it being a squad game and I saw on the Sunday game he made mention of the lads on the extended panel that made the trip. Sure what is the point and how would you motivate yourself for training after that talking a lot of sense there, just watched the match again on recording James O was right to recycle that ball, the score was not on end of, he also floated a good ball into Donaghy for the goal at the end, and if we had someone to do this earlier in the game, we could have made more hay off star As you say Mark Griffin gave an impetus from centre back when he went there David Moran much criticised but thought he had a decent 2nd half but heck crazy call to shoot at the end Geaney though not in his best form is handling a lot of ball and had a few wides, may be very close to stormer and again the young lads were super, super 8 format is great for their development While you cover a host of aspects there AWB, I wonder if you are factoring in that there was 15 Monaghan laddos to contend with? Moran won a hell of a lot of high ball, Donaghy did a lot off the ball as being a leader and also on the ball ... I could go on - our boys also stopped Monaghan a lot. Maybe we are a bit micro-managed but that is curable and if it is the case then management can change tact at the drop of a hat. Overall it was a highly contested encounter in blistering heat, against a team that already beat Dublin in Croker this year and who are at the top table in Ulster. The venue was probably the biggest factor so all in all we can't be too disappointed, moreover as we had little prep by way of tight games. I left Omagh Sat evening relishing a crack at The Dubs and I haven't seen anything that has me changing my mind, and anything after that would be lass daunting. I saw amazing class by both teams in Clones that dwarfed Omagh and pretty much everything else seen so far this year. We have some serious talent in SO'S, Gavin, Clifford, TO'S .. well apart from tightening up on a few issues I thing we have the beating of anyone, we just need to get cute and focused, and believe in what is there for the taking. We are Kerry and rumour has it that Clifford's goal has Sinead Kissane taking a (well of course long planned) extended break in Oz, maybe she will follow Eddie O'Sullivan and who she had walk the plank - for the record she said that this 'we are Kerry' is a joke and that on the eve of a big game when we needed moral support - funny how the population of Monagahn don't agree with our Sinead, nor do I. 'We are Kerry' is belief in our heritage and what a legacy, and what a franking of form by JO'D, Star & Cliff, and the gang. Nothing new about that, elite sportsmen having off-days. But just as history repeats, sense of duty to forefather obeys. Habit of heritage sparks, all now fire up to our dismay. Cometh the day, the hour, the man, spirit prevails ag deireadh lae.
Up The Kingdom for uimhir a 38 an bhliain seo 2018.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Jul 25, 2018 8:44:30 GMT
Jesus Bally your a fair optimist. We clung on for dear life all day and got very lucky in the end. The quartet of young lads allowed us to cling for dear life.
In the past I wouldn’t be worried, we always felt that once we got to Croke Park we’d open up. There was always that feeling that we were capable of that. Just like last Sunday, we were all expecting a huge reaction. We got that out of about 6 players. We had a total of 28 tackles against Monaghan, that’s only a stat but its a snap shot into a teams work rate. 28 tackles In The modern game is terrible. Considering we had 21 players on the field, minus Brian Kelly as he ordinary wouldn’t be tackling, that works out at just over 1 tackle per player for the 76 mins. All is not well, and we’re coding ourselves if we think it is
I don’t think we’re capable of opening up as it stands. That’s based on our last few games where we all felt we would....
Replay v Mayo last year The league game this year v Dublin The Galway game The Monaghan game.
In the past we could trudge through the qualifiers and munster, and we dick in Croke Park and it was like a shot in the arm to us.
We’re not going well. There’s no part of our game that we are in control of. Not in control of what way we want to defend. Not in control of our kickouts. We have more issues than boxes ticked and checked. I agree Dublin have regressed slightly, by maybe 5-10%, but we haven’t kicked on to take advantage of that
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 25, 2018 9:58:03 GMT
You are being polite, The town is not pleasant, I was amazed how many Guards were around it told me something. FFS lads what do ye expect and what town are ye comparing Clones with? Killarney or Tralee? unfair if so, Kerry is a major tourist county and Killarney a world famous international tourist town, Clones is a town in a tiny county with none of this , apples and oranges lads. As regards a lot of guards, well no harm in that. I didn't witness one iota of trouble and the Guards were helpful in dealing with enquiries from Kerry folk unfamiliar with new surroundings and engaged in the banter. plenty of music and craic in packie willies before the match and closer the ground the Creighton hotel a very good pre game venue, good big screen facility to watch Kildare v galway. all in all clones exceeded expectations for me Fair enough Mossie, I thought the ground was great lovely setting and the terrace was brilliant. I suppose I thought the town was a wee bit run down not much life in it apart from match days something a local man said to me after the game. My expectations were obviously wrong as I thought the home of the Ulster final would have a bit more going for it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 25, 2018 10:13:14 GMT
FFS lads what do ye expect and what town are ye comparing Clones with? Killarney or Tralee? unfair if so, Kerry is a major tourist county and Killarney a world famous international tourist town, Clones is a town in a tiny county with none of this , apples and oranges lads. As regards a lot of guards, well no harm in that. I didn't witness one iota of trouble and the Guards were helpful in dealing with enquiries from Kerry folk unfamiliar with new surroundings and engaged in the banter. plenty of music and craic in packie willies before the match and closer the ground the Creighton hotel a very good pre game venue, good big screen facility to watch Kildare v galway. all in all clones exceeded expectations for me Fair enough Mossie, I thought the ground was great lovely setting and the terrace was brilliant. I suppose I thought the town was a wee bit run down not much life in it apart from match days something a local man said to me after the game. My expectations were obviously wrong as I thought the home of the Ulster final would have a bit more going for it. Monaghan has a handy population but jazus can we let up re Clones - what a venue, what an occasion, what a game, a day to remember.
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Post by glengael on Jul 25, 2018 12:37:31 GMT
We’re not going well. There’s no part of our game that we are in control of. Not in control of what way we want to defend. Not in control of our kickouts. We have more issues than boxes ticked and checked.
Very valid points. At this stage of the year we should be well in control of those basic issues and we are not. I have no confidence that we;ll be any better on August 4th.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 16:41:08 GMT
All the top teams Dublin Galway Tyrone have a game plan and they stick to it. Each player knows exactly what to do. We don't. That is suicide at this level. You can't do that against the big teams and win.
I think they have been very slow to make changes in the Galway game and Monaghan game. We can see it as supporters but for some reason it looks like they don't.
Our Kick outs have been very poor. Midfield has really struggled. Our defending is not good enough. David Clifford has been our savior. If he wasn't playing we would be out.
Other players really need to step up and start performing. David Moran and James O'Donoghue have to play better we rely a lot on them. For me Kevin McCarthy and Stephen O'Brien hasn't done enough.
Paul Geaney and Sean O'Shea will be ok for the rest of the Championship. I'm not worried about them. Jack Barry not good enough.
Jason Foley will be a star badly missed. Shane Enright and Tadhg Morley badly missed. If we got them back it would tighten things up hopefully at the back.
I would go back to Shane Murphy. I know he has his issues but overall better than Kelly.
Fitzmaurice and Co has to manage the game better too slow to make changes.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 25, 2018 17:02:14 GMT
All the top teams Dublin Galway Tyrone have a game plan and they stick to it. Each player knows exactly what to do. We don't. That is suicide at this level. You can't do that against the big teams and win. I think they have been very slow to make changes in the Galway game and Monaghan game. We can see it as supporters but for some reason it looks like they don't. Our Kick outs have been very poor. Midfield has really struggled. Our defending is not good enough. David Clifford has been our savior. If he wasn't playing we would be out. Other players really need to step up and start performing. David Moran and James O'Donoghue have to play better we rely a lot on them. For me Kevin McCarthy and Stephen O'Brien hasn't done enough. Paul Geaney and Sean O'Shea will be ok for the rest of the Championship. I'm not worried about them. Jack Barry not good enough. Jason Foley will be a star badly missed. Shane Enright and Tadhg Morley badly missed. If we got them back it would tighten things up hopefully at the back. I would go back to Shane Murphy. I know he has his issues but overall better than Kelly. Fitzmaurice and Co has to manage the game better too slow to make changes. If they go back to Murphy at 1 they will probably lose all remaining credibility on the line in the stand......
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 25, 2018 19:20:40 GMT
All the top teams Dublin Galway Tyrone have a game plan and they stick to it. Each player knows exactly what to do. We don't. That is suicide at this level. You can't do that against the big teams and win. I think they have been very slow to make changes in the Galway game and Monaghan game. We can see it as supporters but for some reason it looks like they don't. Our Kick outs have been very poor. Midfield has really struggled. Our defending is not good enough. David Clifford has been our savior. If he wasn't playing we would be out. Other players really need to step up and start performing. David Moran and James O'Donoghue have to play better we rely a lot on them. For me Kevin McCarthy and Stephen O'Brien hasn't done enough. Paul Geaney and Sean O'Shea will be ok for the rest of the Championship. I'm not worried about them. Jack Barry not good enough. Jason Foley will be a star badly missed. Shane Enright and Tadhg Morley badly missed. If we got them back it would tighten things up hopefully at the back. I would go back to Shane Murphy. I know he has his issues but overall better than Kelly. Fitzmaurice and Co has to manage the game better too slow to make changes. I don’t agree with most of what you say -who would you bring in as replacements?
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Post by clubman on Jul 25, 2018 22:18:12 GMT
If they go back to Murphy at 1 they will probably lose all remaining credibility on the line in the stand...... I think they lost that when they brought Geaney back on...
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Post by yellowbelly on Jul 27, 2018 11:58:55 GMT
The question that no one has asked or answered is did the much called for playing of Kieran Donaghy at full forward work for us? Don't get me wrong, I thought Kieran had an fine game and I don't think we would have earned a draw if he wasn't there.
But in the end of the day by my reckoning we kicked a total of 8 balls into him in the full forward position in the whole game and we retained possession from those kicks three times.
2 mins - Straight ball down the middle from Stephen O'Brien, over hit and through to Beggan 23 mins - High ball from Gavin White from mark, Kieran fouled and free converted. 36 mins - Diagonal ball from '45 by Sean O'Shea, over hit and wide 44 mins - Diagonal ball from '45 by Tom O'Sullivan, Donaghy broke ball to Paul Geaney, David Moran point 52 mins - Sean O'Shea overhit pass as Kieran came short for ball 65 mins - Gavin White high straight ball from mark on '65, ball broken away from Kieran 69 mins - Darran O'Sullivan diagonal ball from '45, Donaghy won ball but lost it on the ground 73 mins - James O'Donoghue high ball from 55m, Donaghy breaks ball to Clifford, goal
So we scored 1-02 from those 8 long balls in, which begs the question, why didn't we utilise it more then? Especially in the first half when we only kicked the ball to him twice. I know he was required outfield for periods for us to win some kickouts and his presence inside probably caused their defence to drop deeper. In the whole game he had nine possessions over the 80 minutes.
For me our principal attacking threat came from the sniping, direct runs of Gavin White, Tom O'Sullivan, Paul Murphy and Brian Begley. None of these are strong, powerful runners like Dublin, Galway or Tyrone can boast and they turned over the ball a few times in contact.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 29, 2018 13:38:36 GMT
Yellowbelly s stats above are very informative good analysis and it appears to me that we got very good return from the ball into Star and I agree that we should have given more ball in while at the same time varying our point of attack. The Stats show that we scored 1 g and 2 pts from this long ball. Stars assist for Mahers Point makes it 1 3 and i know Star had a direct role in a few more scores too not to mention his midfield cameos to win badly needed kickouts. Making Star yet again our most valuable player overall bar none.
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