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Post by clubman on Jan 27, 2018 23:25:16 GMT
Looking forward to this. Hope Clifford does well, theres huge expectation on him and he's still only a young fella. Great to see so many young faces
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Post by fitz on Jan 27, 2018 23:55:22 GMT
Is Gavin White not in the mix? Or injured?
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 28, 2018 8:42:19 GMT
Is Gavin White not in the mix? Or injured? Injured, could be out for another 4/6 weeks.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jan 28, 2018 8:56:25 GMT
It's nice to see so many young players given a go at it, I just wonder how many would have been selected had more of the usual suspects been available? A blessing in disguise that so many are unavailable. These guys will have to learn fast and take the opportunity given to them of a chance to wear green n gold in Croke Park later this year. Looking forward to seeing how things go. Ciarraí abú!
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Post by homerj on Jan 28, 2018 11:27:31 GMT
is the game on tv?
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Post by peanuts on Jan 28, 2018 11:44:27 GMT
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Post by gaelicden on Jan 28, 2018 15:41:41 GMT
By the skin of our teeth it seems 😰
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 28, 2018 16:52:19 GMT
Lucky is the word that best describes that win. Although we did well to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat a few times the defence really looked poor. Donegal isolated Cormac Coffey inside with his man and every time his man got the ball one on one the onrushing Donegal attackers looked like scoring a goal especially in the second half. Overall though considering its the first game we'll take the two points heading to Mayo on Saturday.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jan 28, 2018 17:26:13 GMT
A win is a win I suppose.
Nice to see so many young fellas getting a run. Is it me or does Jack Savage look like Declan Sullivan in disguise?
Our young guns got plenty of TREATMENT today and stood up well.
And VETERAN has finally got his wish with the numbers :-)
All in all a good day even though we did look porous at the back.
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Post by glengael on Jan 28, 2018 17:28:09 GMT
Yes, it was good to get 2 points when we could easily have lost. Donegal got their 3rd goal just as the announcer was saying 'there will be 5 minutes additional time'.. A home win was a must and full credit to Daithi Casey for taking on the responsibility and going for the point at the end.
Lots to ponder after the day. Lots to be clarified too like Jameso's 2 minutes, or so it seemed, on the field. But the never say die attitude was most welcome to see in the contributions of our younger players and Sean O'Shea's free towards the end was gold. Good crowd and a good atmosphere overall on one of the few dry days we've had in recent months.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 28, 2018 17:46:53 GMT
I was thinking of a tight one here and that our emerging talent has now arrived, well just about, proved the difference. Our younger men will come on leaps and bounds from the nature of the encounter and it will have done Dun na nGall no harm either to have run Kerry down to the wire with a new broom. Both teams now face victorious opponents an deireadh-seachtaine seo chugainn, with Letterkenny visitors Galway having taken Tyrone.
The refs this weekend are appalling and if the GAA hasn't told 'em to use Yellow for Black then none of them should ever again adjudicate on a game. If the GAA did tell em such then it is worse and neither players nor audience now know where the line is on a given day and that is even before the natural variance between refs. Does it vary between competitions?, there was incidents today that would be Black Cards in the Championship no doubt.
As regards luck, I think the goals conceded were fortunate while we earned what we got.
Clifford wasn't protected as we didn't have enough strength and it was wise to withdraw him after a debut performance that was near perfect from every angle - setting up that early goal has his minor skills haunt many a likely defender. With what could be described as our A team on the sideline we contained an up and running panel and you could only be excited about the months (and years!) ahead.
Those on location will no doubt tell us more when they get in the door, ah Veteran has just taken off his big overcoat. Ye might elaborate on Jason Foley and who was a lot on the ball but not in his 'Seamus Moynihan in the making role' at FB? - was he a roaming defender, what did I miss from the TV? JO'D on for 7 mins? Also having seen a few Dgal games I can't understand how Darrach 'Jigger' O'Connor was only introduced on 70 and he duly rained into us immediately - he has always needed positional coaching though.
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Post by madforfootball on Jan 28, 2018 17:48:42 GMT
Yes, it was good to get 2 points when we could easily have lost. Donegal got their 3rd goal just as the announcer was saying 'there will be 5 minutes additional time'.. A home win was a must and full credit to Daithi Casey for taking on the responsibility and going for the point at the end. Lots to ponder after the day. Lots to be clarified too like Jameso's 2 minutes, or so it seemed, on the field. But the never say die attitude was most welcome to see in the contributions of our younger players and Sean O'Shea's free towards the end was gold. Good crowd and a good atmosphere overall on one of the few dry days we've had in recent months. Lucky indeed, but a win is a win even if Daithi Casey hop the ball twice but we will keep that quite ..... Forwards were good at times brilliant a lot of talk has been about David but I really think it might take a year or two to settle him in to senior, I think Sean o shea is a must starter in championship. Midfield went missing in second half when wanted most , how many times did we leave them flick the ball forward have no one there to stop runners , our backs it must be said overall were not good enough today and won't be good enough come championship but it must be said it's our 1st day out compared to there 3/4 competitive games this will stand to our young lads an awful lot.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 28, 2018 18:36:28 GMT
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 28, 2018 19:00:47 GMT
The league is back and it is back with a bang. I would have been happy to have seen Kerry do well even if we had lost. A very young and inexperienced team got a tough test versus a Donegal team that already had a few games behind them. Donegal did their homework well. They are arguably the tallest team in Ireland at the moment and crowded the middle third knowing they would have an advantage there. In 4 tough McKenna Cup games Donegal have gelled well and learned what their weaknesses and strengths are. At half time they knew exactly what they had to do. Given how young the Kerry team were today Donegal were always going to make physicality work for them. Their experience too was telling. They kept drawing Kerry into a trap by putting bodies into the middle third and at times there were no kerry players in front of our own goal. It led to gaps appearing and Donegal capitalising with 3 goals.
Fair play though to the Kerry young guns as they etched it in a very tough test. I don't think any player played badly today despite management not seeing the obvious. Maurice FitzGerald and Mikey Sheehy were sent to the top of the stand to have a better overview, but I doubt the people on the sideline were listening to them. In Jason Foley we have a natural fullback, but most of the time he was way up the field with Coffey and Enright guarding the ford. In my opinion Enright on McBrearty was never going to work and I'm surprised management didn't put Murphy on McBrearty. Despite the 3 goals I think Coffey, Foley, Murphy, Enright, Crowley and Shanahan did very well. Donegal used their height advantage and weight advantage/physicality very well. Jack Barry was a huge loss to Kerry as it left Donegal with an even further advantage in midfield. Even after Mullins was, deservedly, sent off there were more man mountains in the Donegal team to win the ball in the middle.
The young guys showed great character when conceding a goal in the second minute of additional time and they kept looking for a winner to the very end. If nothing else they showed a lot of character and never gave up. We saw same great football and great points being scored by both teams. Paddy McBrearty deserves the man of the match award, but for Kerry it would be Seán Ó Sé. Donegal did evolve under Bonner already and no longer just had pass the ball from the back, though at times they did put men behind the ball. Being a man down they had to. If Kerry can be faulted of anything is not capitalising on the extra man situation.Donegal still play a brand of football though were the numbers on their backs mean nothing at all, further displayed by their substitutions, and losing a player doesn't change a lot for their system. It might even mean more space for the forwards.
At times Donegal's discipline was nowhere to be seen and it was very physical. I can't stop thinking that they were well aware of the reputation of Paddy Neilan, who has caused controversy in most of the games he has refereed so far. Knowing Neilan wasn't going to be the referee who sent three Donegal players off in a round 1 league game they seemed to all they could to make the game as rough as they could after Mullins was sent off. Mullins' actions were deserving of a red card, but there were several, at least two more, equally high and dangerous tackles, elbows and digs being thrown after that and Neilan didn't even issue yellow cards for them. Donegal can be very angry about that, as can Kerry, as consistency is what players want most in a referee.
Like most people I was rearing to see David Clifford in action and he did not disappoint. Very much a marked man he went for the intelligent options setting the others up for goals and points. The main debutant to me Seán Ó Sé though scoring a lot of Kerry's points. Coffey was another man who stood out.
All in all a very good performance. Just hoping James O'Donoghue is not too badly injured. David Clifford, Killian Spillane, Mícheál Burns and Seán Ó Seé had a real taste of what it is to play in championship matches today, cause that is what it felt like at times, and I'm sure they have learned a lot from today.
Mayo next week will be a very tough game, but think Kerry have a great chance to try a bit more experimentation next week.
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Post by Premier on Jan 28, 2018 19:04:45 GMT
I think overall you would have to be happy with the performance, however 3-14 is a big score to concede. From a defensive point of view I think Jason Foley was the best of the full back line. Although he spent much of the day wandering out the field, he was composed throughout. Enright struggled for spells on McBreaty but he is a serious player. Coffey was in a good bit of bother throughout and was shrugged aside easily for their first goal. He seems to have the pace but lacking some defensive instincts. Murphy was outstanding, turning ball over, carrying the fight throughout. I thought Gavin Crowley did well in general, although he did get caught out for the 2nd goal. Probably more of a wing back than centre. Ronan Shanahan was solid at wing back, making one particularly noticeable catch in the 2nd half. With all the short kick outs, it was a little tough for the midfielders to get into it. Barry sullivan is a good passer and takes the ball well into the tackle but you would be worried about him for pace. Brendan Sullivan was decent, showed good bursts of pace without ever getting the chance to really press forward. The half forward line is an area where Kerry have struggled in recent years but I feel they are well set with Seán O’Shea at 11 looking forward. He was outstanding in terms of holding the line and winning dirty ball. The free he kicked to level the game was outstanding, especially considering he missed 2 in the first half. Burns was industrious and kicked a good point, although his decision making can be somewhat suspect. Stephen o brien is really nailing a place in the team and becoming one of the main men. Great pace but his skills have improved a lot in recent years. Clifford did well considering the pressure on him and assisted a lot of scores in the first half. He does have a bit of a tendency to leave the ball short with attempts and I wonder is he the long term free taker for the left-legged side. He will be happy with his overall performance. Geaney was a good outlet and was involved in a lot of good play. His finish for the goal was actually very good having seen it back. BJK started very well kicking 2 good points, although he does mix his points with some wild shooting. From the subs Dáithí Casey made the telling impact. He has great pace for a man of his size. I didn’t notice his double hop live but seeing it back, kerry were lucky to get away with it. From the rest of the subs, Killian Spillane was probably the best, taking his point well and showing good composure on the ball.
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Post by Corner Back on Jan 28, 2018 20:08:08 GMT
a few pages back the captaincy and leadership was discussed.
Two leaders emerged in the last 10 minutes, Paul Murphy and Stephen O'Brien. Both were outstanding
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 28, 2018 20:22:13 GMT
Who played in the full back position for Kerry today
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 28, 2018 20:24:03 GMT
David Clifford was very un-selfish on a number of occassions. Cormac Coffey was caught out big time for the first goal. Completely misjudged the trajectory, though I heard Billy O Shea saying he thought he had a good game when I stick the radio on in the car.
I thought I saw Casey hip it twice but it was at the other end to where I was. Will have to look at the tape later on.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 28, 2018 20:26:06 GMT
Delighted to get the two points, but we were lucky - dont want to read too much into the game, it being our first of the season etc with a new team, but our sideline today was again poor - we were a man to the good, yet we failed to protect Cormac Coffey isolated inside 1:1 with the sole attacker - poor from the line. Sean O'Shea was the star, 7 points in total and when we needed them Paul Murphy, Stephen O'Brien and Paul Geaney showed their mettle - a win is most welcome,Castlebar will pose a much stiffer test.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 28, 2018 20:27:28 GMT
David Clifford was very un-selfish on a number of occassions. Cormac Coffey was caught out big time for the first goal. Completely misjudged the trajectory, though I heard Billy O Shea saying he thought he had a good game when I stick the radio on in the car. I thought I saw Casey hip it twice but it was at the other end to where I was. Will have to look at the tape later on. No question, Casey took a double hop but got away with it!
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 28, 2018 20:28:01 GMT
Who played in the full back position for Kerry today Nobody really. Officially Foley but he was following his man into midfield a lot. A brilliant Donegal tactic in fairness that led to three goals. Not really Foley's fault. Most of the time Enright and Coffey were alone in front of goal with MCBrearty and MacNiallais and those two were always going to win that battle. Can't believe that Eamon and Liam didn't see that happening. Mikey and Maurice were sitting in the stand and must have seen what was happening, but I'm increasingly convinced Eamon doesn't listen to them,.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 28, 2018 20:29:17 GMT
David Clifford was very un-selfish on a number of occassions. Cormac Coffey was caught out big time for the first goal. Completely misjudged the trajectory, though I heard Billy O Shea saying he thought he had a good game when I stick the radio on in the car. I thought I saw Casey hip it twice but it was at the other end to where I was. Will have to look at the tape later on. No question, Casey took a double hop but got away with it! Donegal management were livid and were close to knocking the linesman out.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 28, 2018 20:47:49 GMT
Was that the biggest crowd at a league game in Killarney in many a year? The Laois semi final (?) and Dublin game (2005/6) are the only ones that would come close in my mind.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jan 28, 2018 21:14:21 GMT
As the song says it’s been a long cold lonely winter and although the sun might not be here yet we might be about to see the clouds part. Yes we scraped through against a 14 man team but compare that with the same match last year. We could well have been overtaken by Donegal at the end if we hadn’t built up such a commanding lead in the first half and the problems exposed by this were exploited in the next two matches. This time, we somehow found enough to pull clear after staring into the jaws of defeat at least three times. This shows that character and determination were just as important as luck. The youngsters and the old hands fought on until the last gasp and came through.
Here comes the sun?
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Post by kerryscoob on Jan 28, 2018 21:16:26 GMT
Coffey was exposed, sideline did nothing to rectify Enright and Coffey. Poor in midfield and was disappointed with O'Sullivan. Paul Murphy was outstanding as usual, I thought Crowley and Shanahan did well. Donegal are strong and physical and did put it up to a very young team. Was fearful before the game but hung it there to dig out a valuable 2 points. Ok we were very porous but on the other hand good score put up against a side who normally slam the door shut. Murphy in goals to early to predict, donegal sitting back eased the pressure on his kick outs by allowing us go short. BJK lucky to be on the panel, has a habit of going for glory when team mates are in better positions. Will never start a championship match has 10/15 mins in him. Started well today but faded.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jan 28, 2018 21:17:07 GMT
David Clifford was very un-selfish on a number of occassions. Cormac Coffey was caught out big time for the first goal. Completely misjudged the trajectory, though I heard Billy O Shea saying he thought he had a good game when I stick the radio on in the car. I thought I saw Casey hip it twice but it was at the other end to where I was. Will have to look at the tape later on. Completely misjudged it how? From what I seen he was bullied off the ball twice. Not sure how he misjudged the trajectory though. Would you be thinking of Shanahan at the end no? Clifford did very well for a fella that had a lot of attention on him. His kicking wasn't great but I'd imagine he was a bag of nerves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 21:20:25 GMT
Great to get the win today but I suspect the rest of the league could be a struggle.
O se was the best of the newcomers and looks ready to establish himself. Clifford was raw enough at times. It was good to get his debut out of the way and this should dampen the hype. He has a long way to go. We struggled badly in midfield today and I thought they both made little impact.
The lack of protection for the full back line was ridiculous. There was a real naivety at times in terms of how we were caught out by the Donegal blanket.
With the amount of players to return, there will be a lot of pressure on guys just to keep their place on the panel never mind the team.
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Post by pillar on Jan 28, 2018 21:26:22 GMT
Sean O Shea was excellent as was our forwards in general. A trend that emerging tho is that our defenders are very good on the ball going forward and you can add Gavin White and O Beaglaoch to that.But I would be worried about our defensive shape. Our full back never stood in front of the goal and we seem to be man marking where you are always prone to be pulled out of shape. Something that needs to be worked on but 2-18 is a great total for January.JOD seems to tweak his calf .Paul Murphy MOTM with O Shea and O Brien also excellent.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 28, 2018 21:26:28 GMT
Who played in the full back position for Kerry today Nobody really. Officially Foley but he was following his man into midfield a lot. A brilliant Donegal tactic in fairness that led to three goals. Not really Foley's fault. Most of the time Enright and Coffey were alone in front of goal with MCBrearty and MacNiallais and those two were always going to win that battle. Can't believe that Eamon and Liam didn't see that happening. Mikey and Maurice were sitting in the stand and must have seen what was happening, but I'm increasingly convinced Eamon doesn't listen to them,. Are we saying we fell for the tactic that we beat Dgal with in '14 with JO'D taking their best (and one of the game's best) corner backs that was Neil McGee for a sight seeing tour around the park? For Dgal to think that much of our Jason they must have bad memories of the '14 minor AI final when Bonnor managed, though how could you think Jason was already an icon? But it worked but Jason did play well if out of position and reducing the number in the FF line was mana from Heaven for Paddy McBrearty and who is probably the top CF so far this year. To be honest I couldn't see us containing him and that we did is testament to the players as opposed to the sideline. I also saw Mullins as a threat and though he wouldn't nail a place with the Dubs I was delighted that our virgins frustrated him into a forced err of judgement. Both sides will have learned a lot today and the entire 76 mins it was entertaining and exciting, with both teams having it in the bag a few times each.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 28, 2018 21:30:35 GMT
David Clifford was very un-selfish on a number of occassions. Cormac Coffey was caught out big time for the first goal. Completely misjudged the trajectory, though I heard Billy O Shea saying he thought he had a good game when I stick the radio on in the car. I thought I saw Casey hip it twice but it was at the other end to where I was. Will have to look at the tape later on. Completely misjudged it how? From what I seen he was bullied off the ball twice. Not sure how he misjudged the trajectory though. Would you be thinking of Shanahan at the end no? Clifford did very well for a fella that had a lot of attention on him. His kicking wasn't great but I'd imagine he was a bag of nerves. David was a wee bit self-conscious but that is today over with and he played brill for a young lad against an up and running team - you'd be thinking he should stay on with the seniors for '18?
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