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Post by skybluezone on Sept 21, 2017 22:14:09 GMT
Keegan was quiet for a lot of minutes too. In fact he was interested in the ball twice. Once to score a goal and once to kick it into Cluxtons hands. Sorry I mean 3 times, the last being to throw a gps unit at it! The rest of the time he followed Kilkenny around and cared not a jot where the ball was. At least Ciaran had the good sense to stand under the Hogan stand for a good bit of the time with Lee standing beside him. I'd say Lee will get POTY again, as the anti Dub vote will ensure that. As Philly found out to his cost in 2015. It doesn't really matter though, I'm sure Lee would swap em all for a Celtic Cross. You forgot when he was fouled for the penalty he didn't get. Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 22:23:48 GMT
Lee Keegan should get player of the year again.... destroyed Kilkenny and scored a goal again. McCarthy will probably get it this time although he was quiet for 50 mins Keegan was quiet for a lot of minutes too. In fact he was interested in the ball twice. Once to score a goal and once to kick it into Cluxtons hands. Sorry I mean 3 times, the last being to throw a gps unit at it! The rest of the time he followed Kilkenny around and cared not a jot where the ball was. At least Ciaran had the good sense to stand under the Hogan stand for a good bit of the time with Lee standing beside him. I'd say Lee will get POTY again, as the anti Dub vote will ensure that. As Philly found out to his cost in 2015. It doesn't really matter though, I'm sure Lee would swap em all for a Celtic Cross. Anti-dub in 2015, really? How do you reckon that? As for the last line, any more blindingly obvious statements you wish to make?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 22:24:52 GMT
You forgot when he was fouled for the penalty he didn't get. Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies. Dublin joe would never give a penalty in front if the hill.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 22, 2017 0:07:19 GMT
You forgot when he was fouled for the penalty he didn't get. Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies. That's not the rule, if the player is fouled again in a more advantageous position the ref has to award the second foul. It should have been a penalty but McQuillan bottled it.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 22, 2017 7:04:14 GMT
Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies. Dublin joe would never give a penalty in front if the hill. The really annoying thing about Donal Vaughan's stupid strike was that it made it an easy decision for him to give John Small a second yellow.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 22, 2017 7:36:57 GMT
On the actual game. We started very strong , scored a goal and then missed two chances, Jack mc Caffrey looked like he was going to cause havoc which would have resulted in the Mayo half forward line having to try and chase him up the field , This would of put Mayo constantly on the back foot. The game could have had a totally different outcome had he stayed on the pitch. His substitution was massive. Flynn came on and we moved James mc Carthy back in defence. Flynner was anonymous for the time he was on the pitch and Mayo all through the first half destroyed us in midfield. We were on the back foot and Mayo got some great scores and should have been further ahead. Gavin I feel made wrong call on O GARA. But a sign of a good manager is identifying problems and fixing them during a game. At half time O Gara and Paddy Andrews came off Connolly was brought on and told to play a Kilkenny role, as Keegan was occupied with Kilkenny. Mannion was pushed up. Mayo still played brilliant the second half , both teams never relented they attacked with pace and both got high quality scores. I felt when we went 2 up in second half we would push on, but Mayo got a goal and game was back on . To put into context highest average score percentage in the last 20 All Ireland finals was 60%, when Dublins back were against the wall in the second half we hit 73%. 11 out of 12 scores were from play. Mc Quillan could of easily given a peno (decision was very close call) He also gave easy free at the end for Mayo, that could of won it( which came from a wrong decision to award Mayo the line ball), Both teams will argue marginal calls should have gone their way. Mayo had goal chance in second half , we had a great chance for goal with Mannion and Rock. It was a great final that doesn't do the nerves any good. I'll enjoy the victory 3 in a row is a great achievement for these Dublin lads. Then come next year we can debate again which teams are looking good for League and Sam 2018.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 22, 2017 12:51:13 GMT
On the actual game. We started very strong , scored a goal and then missed two chances, Jack mc Caffrey looked like he was going to cause havoc which would have resulted in the Mayo half forward line having to try and chase him up the field , This would of put Mayo constantly on the back foot. The game could have had a totally different outcome had he stayed on the pitch. His substitution was massive. Flynn came on and we moved James mc Carthy back in defence. Flynner was anonymous for the time he was on the pitch and Mayo all through the first half destroyed us in midfield. We were on the back foot and Mayo got some great scores and should have been further ahead. Gavin I feel made wrong call on O GARA. But a sign of a good manager is identifying problems and fixing them during a game. At half time O Gara and Paddy Andrews came off Connolly was brought on and told to play a Kilkenny role, as Keegan was occupied with Kilkenny. Mannion was pushed up. Mayo still played brilliant the second half , both teams never relented they attacked with pace and both got high quality scores. I felt when we went 2 up in second half we would push on, but Mayo got a goal and game was back on . To put into context highest average score percentage in the last 20 All Ireland finals was 60%, when Dublins back were against the wall in the second half we hit 73%. 11 out of 12 scores were from play. Mc Quillan could of easily given a peno (decision was very close call) He also gave easy free at the end for Mayo, that could of won it( which came from a wrong decision to award Mayo the line ball), Both teams will argue marginal calls should have gone their way. Mayo had goal chance in second half , we had a great chance for goal with Mannion and Rock. It was a great final that doesn't do the nerves any good. I'll enjoy the victory 3 in a row is a great achievement for these Dublin lads. Then come next year we can debate again which teams are looking good for League and Sam 2018. I agree totally about McCaffrey, he looked like he was going to take on his man at every opportunity. I wonder did he going off affect the way O'Gara was used as that definitely didn't work out.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 22, 2017 12:54:48 GMT
You forgot when he was fouled for the penalty he didn't get. Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies. Yes, the one where he didn't raise the hand to signal advantage but then retrospectively decided he had given the advantage and brought it back to the less advantageous position.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 22, 2017 16:11:42 GMT
Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies. Dublin joe would never give a penalty in front if the hill. That's just a dumb comment.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 22, 2017 16:12:29 GMT
Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies. That's not the rule, if the player is fouled again in a more advantageous position the ref has to award the second foul. It should have been a penalty but McQuillan bottled it. Was it not just the same foul that continued inside the box?
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 22, 2017 16:13:57 GMT
Dublin joe would never give a penalty in front if the hill. The really annoying thing about Donal Vaughan's stupid strike was that it made it an easy decision for him to give John Small a second yellow. I don't think it was ever a difficult decision to give Small a second yellow. Everyone knew what was going to happen next. Except Donal Vaughan apparently.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 22, 2017 16:18:59 GMT
On the actual game. We started very strong , scored a goal and then missed two chances, Jack mc Caffrey looked like he was going to cause havoc which would have resulted in the Mayo half forward line having to try and chase him up the field , This would of put Mayo constantly on the back foot. The game could have had a totally different outcome had he stayed on the pitch. His substitution was massive. Flynn came on and we moved James mc Carthy back in defence. Flynner was anonymous for the time he was on the pitch and Mayo all through the first half destroyed us in midfield. We were on the back foot and Mayo got some great scores and should have been further ahead. Gavin I feel made wrong call on O GARA. But a sign of a good manager is identifying problems and fixing them during a game. At half time O Gara and Paddy Andrews came off Connolly was brought on and told to play a Kilkenny role, as Keegan was occupied with Kilkenny. Mannion was pushed up. Mayo still played brilliant the second half , both teams never relented they attacked with pace and both got high quality scores. I felt when we went 2 up in second half we would push on, but Mayo got a goal and game was back on . To put into context highest average score percentage in the last 20 All Ireland finals was 60%, when Dublins back were against the wall in the second half we hit 73%. 11 out of 12 scores were from play. Mc Quillan could of easily given a peno (decision was very close call) He also gave easy free at the end for Mayo, that could of won it( which came from a wrong decision to award Mayo the line ball), Both teams will argue marginal calls should have gone their way. Mayo had goal chance in second half , we had a great chance for goal with Mannion and Rock. It was a great final that doesn't do the nerves any good. I'll enjoy the victory 3 in a row is a great achievement for these Dublin lads. Then come next year we can debate again which teams are looking good for League and Sam 2018. This is the truth of it, but it becomes tiresome having to repeat it. Don't agree on O'Gara, if you have him in there you need to get the right type of ball into him. We barely kicked anything into him, although probably because we were cleaned in midfield. If he hasn't got the ball he isn't going to do anything. We improved immensely 2nd half, got on a lot more ball from the short kick outs, and Kev Mc and DC gave us fluidity up front. Watched it back last night, this thing of Kilkenny only getting 8 possessions is a blatant lie. I didn't count em, but I reckon it was closer to 20. A lot more than he was given credit for anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 18:42:03 GMT
That's not the rule, if the player is fouled again in a more advantageous position the ref has to award the second foul. It should have been a penalty but McQuillan bottled it. Was it not just the same foul that continued inside the box? That is an extremely dumb comment
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Post by dubaroo on Sept 22, 2017 19:39:28 GMT
Oh Yeh, the incident where he was fouled outside the box that continued into the box that the ref correctly called as a free. Apologies. Dublin joe would never give a penalty in front if the hill. True enough. Dubs should have got a penalty for your chap touching the ball on the ground inside the square was it 2013 semi? Instead he gave a free in. Swings and roundabouts lads.
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Post by Fado on Sept 22, 2017 21:56:03 GMT
There happens to be exclusions to touching the ball on the ground rule being a free.
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2017 22:19:50 GMT
On the actual game. We started very strong , scored a goal and then missed two chances, Jack mc Caffrey looked like he was going to cause havoc which would have resulted in the Mayo half forward line having to try and chase him up the field , This would of put Mayo constantly on the back foot. The game could have had a totally different outcome had he stayed on the pitch. His substitution was massive. Flynn came on and we moved James mc Carthy back in defence. Flynner was anonymous for the time he was on the pitch and Mayo all through the first half destroyed us in midfield. We were on the back foot and Mayo got some great scores and should have been further ahead. Gavin I feel made wrong call on O GARA. But a sign of a good manager is identifying problems and fixing them during a game. At half time O Gara and Paddy Andrews came off Connolly was brought on and told to play a Kilkenny role, as Keegan was occupied with Kilkenny. Mannion was pushed up. Mayo still played brilliant the second half , both teams never relented they attacked with pace and both got high quality scores. I felt when we went 2 up in second half we would push on, but Mayo got a goal and game was back on . To put into context highest average score percentage in the last 20 All Ireland finals was 60%, when Dublins back were against the wall in the second half we hit 73%. 11 out of 12 scores were from play. Mc Quillan could of easily given a peno (decision was very close call) He also gave easy free at the end for Mayo, that could of won it( which came from a wrong decision to award Mayo the line ball), Both teams will argue marginal calls should have gone their way. Mayo had goal chance in second half , we had a great chance for goal with Mannion and Rock. It was a great final that doesn't do the nerves any good. I'll enjoy the victory 3 in a row is a great achievement for these Dublin lads. Then come next year we can debate again which teams are looking good for League and Sam 2018. Too true. In all reflections of ifs and buts, McCaffrey's injury was a huge unexpected bonus for Mayo and blow for Dublin. The way he started, there was going to be one or two Mayo lads getting new ones torn. Definitely needs to be included in a balanced view on Mayo falling short again I agree totally about McCaffrey, he looked like he was going to take on his man at every opportunity. I wonder did he going off affect the way O'Gara was used as that definitely didn't work out.
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2017 22:21:39 GMT
I agree totally about McCaffrey, he looked like he was going to take on his man at every opportunity. I wonder did he going off affect the way O'Gara was used as that definitely didn't work out. Dunno how I did that, my reply is below Panther and before Peanuts
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 22, 2017 23:29:21 GMT
Was it not just the same foul that continued inside the box? That is an extremely dumb comment No its not. It's not even a comment its a question "?" Gives it away. If you get a chance would you mind passing on your infinite wisdom on this technical rule to me please. But spare me the "whatever penalises Dublin more" version. There was a recent discussion on here about this where Peanuts i think it was felt that Dublin got a soft pen in 2015 semi as the initial foul occurred outside but continued on inside. So it should only have been a free apparently. Which is how it was reffed last Sunday. But you seem to have a difficulty with that.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 22, 2017 23:44:18 GMT
Dublin joe would never give a penalty in front if the hill. True enough. Dubs should have got a penalty for your chap touching the ball on the ground inside the square was it 2013 semi? Instead he gave a free in. Swings and roundabouts lads. Except he didn't touch the ball on the ground which was evident from the replay
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 22, 2017 23:45:34 GMT
That's not the rule, if the player is fouled again in a more advantageous position the ref has to award the second foul. It should have been a penalty but McQuillan bottled it. Was it not just the same foul that continued inside the box? No, you can see the jersey being pulled around shoulder height for the second foul
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 23, 2017 0:53:01 GMT
On the actual game. We started very strong , scored a goal and then missed two chances, Jack mc Caffrey looked like he was going to cause havoc which would have resulted in the Mayo half forward line having to try and chase him up the field , This would of put Mayo constantly on the back foot. The game could have had a totally different outcome had he stayed on the pitch. His substitution was massive. Flynn came on and we moved James mc Carthy back in defence. Flynner was anonymous for the time he was on the pitch and Mayo all through the first half destroyed us in midfield. We were on the back foot and Mayo got some great scores and should have been further ahead. Gavin I feel made wrong call on O GARA. But a sign of a good manager is identifying problems and fixing them during a game. At half time O Gara and Paddy Andrews came off Connolly was brought on and told to play a Kilkenny role, as Keegan was occupied with Kilkenny. Mannion was pushed up. Mayo still played brilliant the second half , both teams never relented they attacked with pace and both got high quality scores. I felt when we went 2 up in second half we would push on, but Mayo got a goal and game was back on . To put into context highest average score percentage in the last 20 All Ireland finals was 60%, when Dublins back were against the wall in the second half we hit 73%. 11 out of 12 scores were from play. Mc Quillan could of easily given a peno (decision was very close call) He also gave easy free at the end for Mayo, that could of won it( which came from a wrong decision to award Mayo the line ball), Both teams will argue marginal calls should have gone their way. Mayo had goal chance in second half , we had a great chance for goal with Mannion and Rock. It was a great final that doesn't do the nerves any good. I'll enjoy the victory 3 in a row is a great achievement for these Dublin lads. Then come next year we can debate again which teams are looking good for League and Sam 2018. This is the truth of it, but it becomes tiresome having to repeat it. Don't agree on O'Gara, if you have him in there you need to get the right type of ball into him. We barely kicked anything into him, although probably because we were cleaned in midfield. If he hasn't got the ball he isn't going to do anything. We improved immensely 2nd half, got on a lot more ball from the short kick outs, and Kev Mc and DC gave us fluidity up front. Watched it back last night, this thing of Kilkenny only getting 8 possessions is a blatant lie. I didn't count em, but I reckon it was closer to 20. A lot more than he was given credit for anyway.
Id agree losing midfield didnt help him, but after Jack went off and we changed our shape, Harrison had a comfortable first half on OGARA. We got nothing from 3 balls played into him. Half time Gavin took him off , pushed Mannion up on Harrison . Mannion Scored 3 points and pulled Harrison all over the place. OGARA gives us options . But I don't like seeing him start full forward in this Dublin team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 2:17:26 GMT
This is not complicated but happy to explain to those that need it explained. A foul that starts outside the box and continues inside the box is a penalty i.e. more than one offense has occurred.
A foul that starts outside the box but the player ends up inside the box is a free i.e. The player ends up inside the box but no foul has occurred there.
Keegan was clearly fouled in the box. The decision was bottled.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 23, 2017 11:05:09 GMT
Any links available to the penalty claim?
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Post by homerj on Sept 23, 2017 20:40:19 GMT
Mcquillan, as usual was horrific. from a kerry point of view, two things (amongest many others) really stood out in 2011 -
the decision not to send off Ger Brennan for the disgraceful tackle on Declan O Sullivan. only playing 2 mins of injury time, of which a significent amount was taken up by the Cluxton free.
the last day, he send off Vaughan for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad and then, played another 2 minutes of time added on.
had he applied that approach in 2011, we would not have lost the game.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 24, 2017 11:43:30 GMT
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/disjointed-running-game-fails-to-add-up-for-beaten-finalists-x7m83nrf7Disjointed running game fails to add up for beaten finalists Paul Galvin A five-year-old boy had a neighbour who would tease his naivety with a money trick. He’d offer him a €5 note in one hand and a €2 coin in the other and allow the boy to pick one. The young boy would always pick the €2 coin and the neighbour would laugh as he took it. Every time he saw the young boy he’d play the same game. Every time the boy would pick the €2 coin. After weeks of this game the boy’s frustrated father asked him why he always picked the €2 coin. The boy replied “sure if I pick the fiver the game will be over”. The boy took €2 every chance he got and banked up. The neighbour cost himself more than he knew and called it victory. This story came to mind after last weekend’s All-Ireland final. We all have a unique understanding of football. Many people were frustrated with Mayo’s Cillian O’Connor and lauded Chris Barrett. O’Connor kicked three crucial points from play. Barrett directly conceded three crucial points from play to Dean Rock. He also lost Rock for Diarmuid Connolly’s point, and fouled Connolly for the winning free. He made a few turnovers — one from Con O’Callaghan who was on the ground seconds earlier with cramp — and he’s in the running for man of the match. The truth of the game tells a different story. Rock was man of the match, easily, yet his man is nominated? Something doesn’t add up there. The truth is it’s very difficult to win All-Irelands playing an all-out running game. It leads to headless football. Take Connolly and the amount of time and space he was afforded on the ball. He jogged around for 40 minutes, turning here for a look and there for a pass like a kid afforded the chance to kick about on an empty Croke Park. His quality ultimately punished Mayo but they invited it on, passing the buck defensively in too many cases. For all their effort no one marked or defended. Rock kicked two and fisted one point unchallenged. Eoghan O’Gara kicked a point in the first half with so much time he could have lit a cigarette. James McCarthy got away from Aidan O’Shea twice and had a good long look at goal to see where he would plant his score. Mayo’s game plan made no sense. Backs attacking, forwards defending. Bar David Clarke, Aidan O’Shea and Andy Moran I couldn’t make out who was playing where. For one Rock score the nearest player to him was Cillian O’Connor on his own endline. That in itself told the tale of two free-kickers. O’Connor spent an inordinate amount of time and energy deep in his own half to the detriment of his free-taking ability. Rock worked hard within an ordered system. O’Connor worked hard within a disordered system. If O’Connor’s man went upfield he knew he had to go all the way with him or concede a score. Rock didn’t have that worry. He tackled as far as the 45 and no further. His team covered him from there. Maybe the sendings off suited Dublin more but what cost Mayo was the disorder of their play. One moment summed it up. Number seven Colm Boyle, a man-marker, somehow ends up receiving the ball from the nominated 11, Aidan O’Shea (who is playing midfield), in the 10/11 channel facing his own goal. The next nearest teammate is three, Donal Vaughan, who is actually playing at 12 but also standing facing his own goal in the 11 position. The next nearest teammate in view is five Lee Keegan in the number 12 slot. Boyle receives the ball, turns around and is buried by one of my favourite players, John Small, who is doing his job covering the middle channel. The next nearest teammate to Small is Cian O’Sullivan who is also in position doing a covering job. Next up is five, Johnny Cooper, and then four, Philly MacMahon. Four of Dublin’s nominated backs all in position doing their primary jobs against three of Mayo’s nominal defenders, two of whom are facing their own goal? This play summed up the difference between the teams. Nothing makes sense with Mayo and I have little sympathy for them. Everything makes sense with Dublin. Their simple intelligence and will to win. No passing the buck. Responsibility and order all round. I read Jim McGuinness say Mayo lost because they couldn’t manage the game from being two points up with eight minutes of ordinary time to go. That doesn’t take into account the six minutes of stoppage time. They would still have lost playing like this. Mayo’s problem was more fundamental: over-committing to a running game, attacking with 10 and 12 players, many of them backs, while under-committing to defence and leaving themselves exposed. With the amount of financial brains in the group it’s no surprise Dublin knew the math. You can’t blame Donie Vaughan, Cillian O’Connor, or bad luck. You can blame missed chances but if O’Connor spends the game running up and down the field there’s a chance a late free will drop short. Mayo lost the numbers game. That’s not a curse. It’s a disorder.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 11:57:05 GMT
The first point about Barrett v rock makes some sense but the article then loses its way. Paul as ever trying to be "different"
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 24, 2017 12:38:26 GMT
I'd say he'll be sleeping in the couch after that one.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2017 13:41:31 GMT
How were Mayo level with Dublin so six minutes into injury time with such a disorder? No one else can get near Dublin.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 24, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
www.balls.ie/gaa/paul-kimmage-on-jim-gavin-374263?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Balls.ie&utm_content=Paul%20Kimmage%20Hugely%20Critical%20Of%20%22Classless%22%20Jim%20Gavin%20After%20All-Ireland%20FinalIn some quarters, the discontent is settling in before winter. The men's football championship is over for another year, with today's newspapers using the occasion to look back upon last week's victory for Dublin. The unique condition of Mayo attracts its usual level of attention, with Paul Galvin of The Sunday Times notably critical of Mayo's gameplan in the final minutes. A couple of other writers meditate on the strength of Dublin and what it means for the future, with very few journalists or columnists critical of Dublin in any way. The exception is Sunday Independent journalist Paul Kimmage. He is critical of Jim Gavin's demeanor in the post-match press conference, citing what he believes is a "lack of empathy". Kimmage appeared on Off The Ball's Paper Review earlier today, and elaborated on his issue with the Dublin manager. Here's what I do have a problem with. Jim hasn't reached his chair and someone says, 'How's the heart Jim?' It was a great chance for Jim to say, 'Jaysus I need a transplant, what a game!' but instead, it looked as if a wasp had stung him: 'Fine, how's yours?' Now, where did that come from? You have hostility straight away, from the moment he sits down. It's not that he isn't engaging, he is being hostile about this. He's won a three-in-a-row, and he hasn't even sat in his chair and he's being hostile. But ok, we'll let that pass; we'll let that pass. So then he's asked quite early on about Mayo's failure to get over the line and the long history and all of that. And he says, 'we know what it's like, we were here a few months ago when we lost the National League final'. So he's comparing a defeat in a National League final to - how many defeats for Mayo since 1951? So now, I do have a problem. I have a problem with the lack of empathy, I have a problem with the lack of grace. I just thought, 'you must be joking'. 'C'mon Jim, this isn't you, and this isn't real, c'mon, get with it'. The third thing was when Declan Bogue [GAA journalist] asked him about the disgraceful - disgraceful - final minutes of the game, which was an absolute blemish on the best sport I have watched this year. Three Dublin players had wrestled Mayo players to the ground in that last minute. He's asked about this, and again he didn't engage with the question, he tried to pass it off. [Gavin's exact quote was "I think it was like that from the start. It was a very physical game, a lot on the line. Both teams going hard at it. I wouldn't expect anything else from either team"]. What is this all about? You come in here, you look like you've lost - if you turn off the sound and just watch the expressions you'd say these guys have lost - so what is the point in winning? What is the point if there's no joy, or if you can't express that joy? Does coming in here and actually being a bit gracious toward the losers, and expressing a bit of joy, mean you can't win again next year? Well if that's the price, then give me losers. If that's what we're going to get from Jim Gavin and his team for the next four years, then I'm not interested. Kimmage went on to ponder Gavin's issue with the media. The Star's Kieran Cunningham was on air also, and he made the interesting observation that Gavin and his management team (Jason Sherlock and Declan Darcy) are part of the 1990s Dublin generation who may feel that hype in the media may have cost them victories and All-Ireland titles. Host Joe Molloy then attempted to crowbar in a few tweets and texts from listeners, with Kimmage unwilling to listen to them: I'm not interested in texts. I know what they are going to say. what I want your listeners to do is: Do they hold them to account for his behaviour in the press conference? His lack of graciousness toward the losers. Do they hold him to account? Let me tell you one thing, if Jim Gavin was sitting here right now, and I lited those criticisms he would have no defence. He would accept that this was not the way for a Dublin manager to behave. He crossed a line, and it did not reflect well on him or his team. Joe Molloy then asked Kimmage if Gavin had a right to show disdain for the media. Look, don't come in. Don't come in. If you have [disdain for the media] then don't come in and do it. Don't sit there and treat us like idiots. Don't sit there and be disdainful of the Mayo players and the Mayo people the way he did. The lack of empathy. Molloy rejected the use of "disdain" and said that this comes from a position of cold-hearted ruthlessness. Kimmage's response: I'm not interested in ruthlessness. If this is what the game has come to now, I'm not interested. Kimmage went on to describe Gavin's behaviour as "classless", saying he would be "disappointed" if Gavin doesn't change.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 24, 2017 20:58:26 GMT
First Dunphy , now Kimmage and a host of other journalists arent happy with Dublin. Maybe in Dunphys case he feels soccer in Dublin is being threatened, I think Dublin should just give back Sam. A lot of people up and down the country would feel better about themselves. Who do Cluxton, Mick Fitz, Philly, James mc Carthy ,Cian, to name a few think they are. Training their asses off with huge commitment for the last 8 years ,keeping the head down in a Capital city where its easy to get your head turned, where a few previous Dublin players had adorned the limelight to their counties cost. Jim Gavin has managed to keep a successful group of players still hungry , not an easy job. They have just won 3 in a row. We seen what happened to the Tipp hurlers after they won an All Ireland last year and were tipped for greatness. These Dublin lads give everything to GAA and such is the demand for them in Dublin , they are always helping charities and turning up for fundraisers. But Kimmage who knows nothing about GAA, now takes issue with Jim Gavin's demeanour. He should have been in Croker today, he would of seen the Dublin players showing great passion cheering on the ladies.
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