exiled
Senior Member
Posts: 307
|
Post by exiled on Sept 18, 2017 17:32:50 GMT
Dublin should do the four now. Apart from Mayo I can't see anyone coming near them. They will give some of their u21s game in the League. Evan Comerford Cillian O'Shea Brian Howard Glen O'Reilly and Colm Basquel are fine prospects. Con O'Callaghan and Cormac Costello are still very young. They can rest most of the older players now for most of the League and still probably be close to Winning it. I'm sure nobody will retire. 5 in a row is possible at this stage.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 17:51:54 GMT
I have to give Jim Gavin great credit also. I know he has a lot of quality but he is so cool and calm and collective. I was watching him yesterday and he didn't even look like he was going to panic. That rubs off on his players also. He's a very astute Manager. Perfect man for the job. Not afraid to give youth it's fling also.
|
|
exiled
Senior Member
Posts: 307
|
Post by exiled on Sept 18, 2017 18:38:35 GMT
I presume nacroaicaigh stands for Kilmacolm croke.
|
|
peanuts
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,857
|
Post by peanuts on Sept 18, 2017 19:40:27 GMT
Like 2013, Mayo lost this game in the first half. They were the better side during that time but kicked some awful wides. Not sure I agree. Mayo should have been more ahead at half time granted, but I'm not sure how much of a difference that would have made. Dublin would probably have pegged back a 3-4 point lead just as easily.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 18, 2017 20:55:50 GMT
Dublin should do the four now. Apart from Mayo I can't see anyone coming near them. They will give some of their u21s game in the League. Evan Comerford Cillian O'Shea Brian Howard Glen O'Reilly and Colm Basquel are fine prospects. Con O'Callaghan and Cormac Costello are still very young. They can rest most of the older players now for most of the League and still probably be close to Winning it. I'm sure nobody will retire. 5 in a row is possible at this stage. I think Mayo's chance is gone now. The next few All Irelands for Dublin should be relatively easy compared to 2015, 2016 and 2017 when Mayo were immense This a quite a young team with brilliant players like James McCarthy, Kilkenny, Fenton, Mannion, Small and Con OCallaghan all being additions to the 2011 old guard. They won this one without Jack McCaffrey for most of the final. Kerry and Tyrone are way off the pace. I wouldn't be taking any comfort from the draw with Mayo. Mayo raise or drop their game to the level of their opponents. DUBLIN 2017 final: S Cluxton (capt.), M Fitzsimons, P McMahon, J Cooper, C O’Sullivan, J Small J McCaffrey, B Fenton J McCarthy D Rock C O’Callaghan C Kilkenny; P Mannion E O’Gara P Andrews. Subs: P Flynn for McCaffrey K McManamon for O’Gara D Connolly for Andrews B Brogan for Flynn N Scully for O’Callaghan (68 mins), C Costello for Mannion (74 mins). Dublin 2011 Final Stephen Cluxton Michael Fitzsimons Rory OCarroll Cian OSullivan James McCarthy Ger Brennan Kevin Nolan Denis Bastick Michael Darragh McAuley Paul Flynn Barry Cahill Bryan Cullen Alan Brogan Diarmuid Connolly Bernard Brogan Subs Eoghan OGara Philly McMahon Kevin McManamon Eamonn Fennell
|
|
dano
Senior Member
Posts: 530
|
Post by dano on Sept 18, 2017 21:13:10 GMT
Congratulations to Dublin and to the Dubs who post here, Rashers, Skyblue and Bluepanther. Great team. We're jealous but can't but admire them. I've no sympathy for Mayo.Pat Spillane said once that the reason for the 3-in-a-row '84 to'86 was pure temper for having lost the '82 5-in-a-row bid. Mayo should have had that temper in spades yesterday, enough of it to win! They lost and that's it. It's no secret that every Kerry gaa person is now hoping for a '78 like reaction to this era and there's a good possibility that it'll come to pass. I, for one, am looking forward to how it will play out, Four minor Allirelands in a row must come to something.
|
|
|
Post by colinsworth1 on Sept 19, 2017 12:43:22 GMT
Mayo s preparation and attention to detail was huge and nearly got them over the line but they left out a few items 1. They need at least one Red Card for Dublin early and nearly got it with O Gara s madness John Small would have been the obvious red Card to anyone who has been paying attention this should have been a light bulb in the mayos players minds as it was very likely to happen not everyone read the memo 2. Even though Chris Barrett had hit much harder earlier with no call The management should have been calling for no contact or no foul from their players as Ref s form for late soft frees was well known in advance e.g. Phantom free late in 2011 AI final Mayo should have factored that in
But like the NBA final past it's the team with the most shooters wins Dublin have shooters all over
|
|
dart
Senior Member
Posts: 277
|
Post by dart on Sept 19, 2017 13:51:41 GMT
Can't imagine being of the Mayo family tonight after another final defeat. There's a bad taste regarding gouging, soft frees and uncalled frees. What can you do? They were great, gave it everything. Congrats Dublin, a win without clicking really. 2018 is there for ye too. Gouging?...tell us I don't have to tell you. link 1link 2link 3
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 19, 2017 15:00:58 GMT
Every thing goes in a final. If this happened in the semi final it would be a big deal ...witness the hand wringing over Austin Gleeson tug of an unstrapped helmet.
|
|
|
Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 19, 2017 15:01:54 GMT
O'Gara rarely starts, and Mayo don't have Sam in front of the bus, so a retrospective ban would mean very little. Whether he is guilty or not, I still think the GAA need a rule in place, that a straight red is given to a player for any contact to an opponents head or neck.
|
|
|
Post by skybluezone on Sept 19, 2017 16:32:15 GMT
Not sure what else there is to say. Savage game of football, equally as hard hitting and raw as last year.
What started out looking like it might be Tyrone mark II after Con's goal, ended up by getting to half time and thinking we have been sh1te here and still we are only 1 down. Mayo were excellent in first half. Thought if we went with O'Gara you have to feed him the right ball. Slickness is not his thing, and I think we only aimed 2 long ones in the entire half. However the changes made certainly helped, Kev Mc and Connolly powered into it and you could feel the fluidity returning for us. Felt that when we went 2 clear we might kick on and finish them, as we were on top all over the field then. Keegan's goal was against the run of play but certainly reignited Mayo and it was a dogfight then all the way to the line. Small had to go but no malice aforethought as Martin Carney might say! But Donie Vaughan has a long winter ahead! Rock balls of steel to kick the winner, especially with Keegans GPS being thrown into the mix! Did well to see it out then despite Joe giving them more than enough time to get the ball back.
Overall, a very happy man. Some achievement. Nuts to think that come the new year it will be eyes on the prize for a four timer. Incredible, to use Dessie Dolan's favourite word!
|
|
|
Post by southward on Sept 19, 2017 21:03:34 GMT
Congrats to Dublin and to our Dublin correspondents. Kevin Mac was immense when he came on - really took the game to Mayo when others seemed a bit tentative. He was the difference in the end, I felt.
|
|
fitz
Fanatical Member
Red sky at night get off my land
Posts: 1,719
|
Post by fitz on Sept 19, 2017 21:40:12 GMT
Dublin's standout greatness is in the clutch. They always find the way, always, when the chips are down. Unfortunately Mayo have never done it. They've been good enough to get themselves to the key moment in a a game, repeatedly, where 'this is the chance to win this game' but they don't take it, repeatedly. Dublin don't need to be asked twice, it's done. That's what 3 All Ireland finals against Mayo have come down to. That's what Mayo are missing either in another or more players or as a collective.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2017 12:27:45 GMT
JMG absolutely nails this game in his piece today. Completely nail on head. And Mayo can get back to that point again next year if they continue to believe. The Mayo fans were devastated last September, last Sunday there seemed to be numbed acceptance in the stands. They have learned enough now to go at it one last time.
|
|
|
Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 20, 2017 16:27:12 GMT
JMG absolutely nails this game in his piece today. Completely nail on head. And Mayo can get back to that point again next year if they continue to believe. The Mayo fans were devastated last September, last Sunday there seemed to be numbed acceptance in the stands. They have learned enough now to go at it one last time. Darragh focuses on the same precise point in the game as JMcG, two all time brill articles that are spot on, IMO that is.
|
|
|
Post by sullyschoice on Sept 20, 2017 17:33:07 GMT
Rumours doing the rounds about Jack Mc Caffrey's cruciate. Hope it's not true Seems to be in great form in the background of the interview on TSG. He must have been on the heavy meds. The big happy head on him. Unfortunately the early speculation was correct. Jack is a club mate of mine and will be a huge loss to us. We haven't the luxury of having as big a bench as Dublin.
|
|
|
Post by southward on Sept 20, 2017 17:48:31 GMT
|
|
|
Post by southward on Sept 20, 2017 18:02:24 GMT
JMG absolutely nails this game in his piece today. Completely nail on head. And Mayo can get back to that point again next year if they continue to believe. The Mayo fans were devastated last September, last Sunday there seemed to be numbed acceptance in the stands. They have learned enough now to go at it one last time. Darragh focuses on the same precise point in the game as JMcG, two all time brill articles that are spot on, IMO that is. This from Darragh.. "Dublin have shown that they are the best team of the last 30 years by beating the second best team of the last 30 years. Forget Kerry, forget Tyrone or Meath or Donegal or whoever else"
Mayo? Second best team (after Dublin) of the last 30 years? A team that's won nothing? Are you having a laugh, Darragh?
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 20, 2017 20:33:03 GMT
While i have massive respect for mayo, they dont have a forward line that includes Peter Canavan, Stephen o Neill, Eoin Mulligan, Sean Cavanagh and Brian Dooher.
That Tyrone side would have beaten either of sundays teams in my opinion.
|
|
falveyb2k
Fanatical Member
"The way this man played today, if there was a flood he'd walk on water. Jack O Shea"
Posts: 1,920
|
Post by falveyb2k on Sept 20, 2017 20:46:22 GMT
The standard of the game has been at a low enough level for the last few years. Dublin have completed a fantastic achievement but instead of saying they're the best team of all time you could look at it another way. They're scraping past Mayo and Kerry, if you look at 2016 and 2017 that was probably the weakest we've been in over 20 years and it took a few dodgy decisions on the day to decide the game. Small margins
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 20, 2017 21:01:06 GMT
Yes.... Kerry are at our weakest since 1995.
Mayo just dont have enough coming off the bench.
It boils down to a numbers game when all is said and done.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Sept 21, 2017 5:56:04 GMT
So that's who it was. I was told about a Dublin sub doing this by a spectator sitting behind the goal in the David. Was the systematic fouling of three Mayo backs on the last kickout not three black card incidents?
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 21, 2017 7:13:47 GMT
While i have massive respect for mayo, they dont have a forward line that includes Peter Canavan, Stephen o Neill, Eoin Mulligan, Sean Cavanagh and Brian Dooher. That Tyrone side would have beaten either of sundays teams in my opinion. I forgot Brian Mcguigan!! The conductor at 11
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 21, 2017 7:16:07 GMT
Lee Keegan should get player of the year again.... destroyed Kilkenny and scored a goal again.
McCarthy will probably get it this time although he was quiet for 50 mins
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Sept 21, 2017 9:24:45 GMT
I think that remark about Mayo is designed to provoke debate. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny. There is little point in comparing different eras. Dublin are winning but with no provincial challenge at all and only a token away game.
Look at Tyrone the last 'team of all teams'. They played in 4 Finals and won 3 yet also got knocked out by Laois and Mayo over the years.
Look at Down in the early 90's in a 'winner takes all' championship,they won 2 finals and played in a very competitive province that produced 3 different champions in succession. All of them went on to All Ireland wins,Derry and Donegal for the first time. A far more competitive situation that exists today.
|
|
|
Post by greengold35 on Sept 21, 2017 10:00:23 GMT
So that's who it was. I was told about a Dublin sub doing this by a spectator sitting behind the goal in the David. Was the systematic fouling of three Mayo backs on the last kickout not three black card incidents? Of course they were black cards - different argument but high time we introduced the sin bin - far more punitive, would definitely curtail the messing that currently goes on in the final minutes of a game.
|
|
|
Post by onlykerry on Sept 21, 2017 10:52:07 GMT
So that's who it was. I was told about a Dublin sub doing this by a spectator sitting behind the goal in the David. Was the systematic fouling of three Mayo backs on the last kickout not three black card incidents? Of course they were black cards - different argument but high time we introduced the sin bin - far more punitive, would definitely curtail the messing that currently goes on in the final minutes of a game. The clinging onto victory at the end of a tight game is admired by some but is a huge blight on the game in my opinion - and not just at intercounty level. Taking a black card late in the game is nearly becoming a badge of honour. If the black card is to continue then the penalty for getting a black card late in a game needs to be reviewed with additional punishment like a non replace if it is issued in last 5-10 minutes of normal time or a 21 mt free ....
|
|
|
Post by skybluezone on Sept 21, 2017 13:37:52 GMT
Lee Keegan should get player of the year again.... destroyed Kilkenny and scored a goal again. McCarthy will probably get it this time although he was quiet for 50 mins Keegan was quiet for a lot of minutes too. In fact he was interested in the ball twice. Once to score a goal and once to kick it into Cluxtons hands. Sorry I mean 3 times, the last being to throw a gps unit at it! The rest of the time he followed Kilkenny around and cared not a jot where the ball was. At least Ciaran had the good sense to stand under the Hogan stand for a good bit of the time with Lee standing beside him. I'd say Lee will get POTY again, as the anti Dub vote will ensure that. As Philly found out to his cost in 2015. It doesn't really matter though, I'm sure Lee would swap em all for a Celtic Cross.
|
|
|
Post by skybluezone on Sept 21, 2017 13:39:03 GMT
Just heard the nominations and Lee aint there! Andy Moran it is so. Probably even deserves it.
|
|
peanuts
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,857
|
Post by peanuts on Sept 21, 2017 20:26:59 GMT
Lee Keegan should get player of the year again.... destroyed Kilkenny and scored a goal again. McCarthy will probably get it this time although he was quiet for 50 mins Keegan was quiet for a lot of minutes too. In fact he was interested in the ball twice. Once to score a goal and once to kick it into Cluxtons hands. Sorry I mean 3 times, the last being to throw a gps unit at it! The rest of the time he followed Kilkenny around and cared not a jot where the ball was. At least Ciaran had the good sense to stand under the Hogan stand for a good bit of the time with Lee standing beside him. I'd say Lee will get POTY again, as the anti Dub vote will ensure that. As Philly found out to his cost in 2015. It doesn't really matter though, I'm sure Lee would swap em all for a Celtic Cross. You forgot when he was fouled for the penalty he didn't get.
|
|