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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 15, 2017 10:16:49 GMT
The difference in standard between the Dublin championship semi finals and the kerry semi finals was extremely worrying.
All 4 Dublin teams would beat KOR, south Kerry and west kerry easily enough
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Post by clarinman on Oct 15, 2017 16:11:59 GMT
The difference in standard between the Dublin championship semi finals and the kerry semi finals was extremely worrying. All 4 Dublin teams would beat KOR, south Kerry and west kerry easily enough Not sure I would agree with that. I though that kilmacud were poor and looked a beaten team even before the sending off. St Judes imploded in the second half. Don't see how you can say those 2 teams would beat south Kerry easily.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 15, 2017 16:31:11 GMT
The difference in standard between the Dublin championship semi finals and the kerry semi finals was extremely worrying. All 4 Dublin teams would beat KOR, south Kerry and west kerry easily enough Not sure I would agree with that. I though that kilmacud were poor and looked a beaten team even before the sending off. St Judes imploded in the second half. Don't see how you can say those 2 teams would beat south Kerry easily. Going on what I’ve seen from SK this season so far- I can say it with great confidence. Sure they barely beat a poor KOR team and wouldn’t have if KOR could pop 21 yard frees
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Post by clarinman on Oct 15, 2017 17:31:43 GMT
Not sure I would agree with that. I though that kilmacud were poor and looked a beaten team even before the sending off. St Judes imploded in the second half. Don't see how you can say those 2 teams would beat south Kerry easily. Going on what I’ve seen from SK this season so far- I can say it with great confidence. Sure they barely beat a poor KOR team and wouldn’t have if KOR could pop 21 yard frees Brian Sheehan also didn't have his kicking boots on. I thought south Kerry should have won by more.
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 16, 2017 22:12:20 GMT
Not sure I would agree with that. I though that kilmacud were poor and looked a beaten team even before the sending off. St Judes imploded in the second half. Don't see how you can say those 2 teams would beat south Kerry easily. Going on what I’ve seen from SK this season so far- I can say it with great confidence. Sure they barely beat a poor KOR team and wouldn’t have if KOR could pop 21 yard frees I'm not quite sure Kilmacud would beat any of the semi finalists in Kerry. I watched their quarter final versus Castleknock and not only was it a very poor standard but Mannion was the only reason they won that game. They looked extremely average prior to Ross O Carrolls sending off in the semi versus Ballymun and I would actually be confident of West Kerry beating them, and also KOR (at full strength). Judes capitulated after their indiscipline but I was actually disappointed with the performance of Vincent's. I think Ballymun will edge that final. I certainly don't think that we should be worrying about the standard of the club football in Kerry when we are the current holders of the All Ireland club Junior, Intermediate and Senior trophies!!! KOR were fancied for the championship prior to SKerry turning them over and although things didn't go their way with injuries etc. great credit is due to South Kerry in managing to Get over the line despite not playing their best and kicking 13 or 14 wides. Yes, the first semi final wasn't easy on the eye last weekend but conditions were not ideal with a slippery ball and both sides dropping men and deciding to play with a lack of a half forward line but this is the route many coaches and managers have gone down. It's not my cup of tea, but it is considered a results business and not entertainment. South Kerry are an underrated team and expect the final on Sunday to be a lot closer than expected.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 17, 2017 7:50:01 GMT
Going on what I’ve seen from SK this season so far- I can say it with great confidence. Sure they barely beat a poor KOR team and wouldn’t have if KOR could pop 21 yard frees I'm not quite sure Kilmacud would beat any of the semi finalists in Kerry. I watched their quarter final versus Castleknock and not only was it a very poor standard but Mannion was the only reason they won that game. They looked extremely average prior to Ross O Carrolls sending off in the semi versus Ballymun and I would actually be confident of West Kerry beating them, and also KOR (at full strength). Judes capitulated after their indiscipline but I was actually disappointed with the performance of Vincent's. I think Ballymun will edge that final. I certainly don't think that we should be worrying about the standard of the club football in Kerry when we are the current holders of the All Ireland club Junior, Intermediate and Senior trophies!!! KOR were fancied for the championship prior to SKerry turning them over and although things didn't go their way with injuries etc. great credit is due to South Kerry in managing to Get over the line despite not playing their best and kicking 13 or 14 wides. Yes, the first semi final wasn't easy on the eye last weekend but conditions were not ideal with a slippery ball and both sides dropping men and deciding to play with a lack of a half forward line but this is the route many coaches and managers have gone down. It's not my cup of tea, but it is considered a results business and not entertainment. South Kerry are an underrated team and expect the final on Sunday to be a lot closer than expected. You think KOR were fancied for the championship? crokes would beat them by about 10 being honest
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 17, 2017 9:47:11 GMT
I'm not quite sure Kilmacud would beat any of the semi finalists in Kerry. I watched their quarter final versus Castleknock and not only was it a very poor standard but Mannion was the only reason they won that game. They looked extremely average prior to Ross O Carrolls sending off in the semi versus Ballymun and I would actually be confident of West Kerry beating them, and also KOR (at full strength). Judes capitulated after their indiscipline but I was actually disappointed with the performance of Vincent's. I think Ballymun will edge that final. I certainly don't think that we should be worrying about the standard of the club football in Kerry when we are the current holders of the All Ireland club Junior, Intermediate and Senior trophies!!! KOR were fancied for the championship prior to SKerry turning them over and although things didn't go their way with injuries etc. great credit is due to South Kerry in managing to Get over the line despite not playing their best and kicking 13 or 14 wides. Yes, the first semi final wasn't easy on the eye last weekend but conditions were not ideal with a slippery ball and both sides dropping men and deciding to play with a lack of a half forward line but this is the route many coaches and managers have gone down. It's not my cup of tea, but it is considered a results business and not entertainment. South Kerry are an underrated team and expect the final on Sunday to be a lot closer than expected. You think KOR were fancied for the championship? crokes would beat them by about 10 being honest Crokes beat them by 5 last year in the 1/4 final.
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Post by keane on Oct 17, 2017 10:04:06 GMT
I think he means fancied to beat South Kerry.
Strand Road don't have a particularly deep panel but with a fully fit squad I wouldn't have any fear of the likes of Judes, Castleknock, Kilmacud. Would be pretty disappointed not the beat the first two actually, and would certainly expect to be competitive with the likes of Vincents and Ballymun.
A full South Kerry panel would have absolutely nothing to fear from any of those teams. Haven't seen much of West Kerry admittedly.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 17, 2017 10:11:57 GMT
Jeez lads you have a completely different reading of the game than me so.
I think all the Dublin sides would blow KOR out of the water in the physical stakes- but I dont want this to turn into me giving out about any particular team too much.
I think that the Dublin teams are as good ability wise and a good bit ahead physically and would thus win against all our semi finalists bar Crokes
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Post by OnTheForty on Oct 17, 2017 11:42:05 GMT
It's an interesting comparison alright between the Kerry and Dublin clubs. Ballymun and Vincent's are serious outfits, and seem to well ahead of other Dublin clubs. The Dublin SFC is very competitive at the latter stages, but with 32 clubs, some are clearly not up to scratch. How many Kerry clubs would be competitive in Dublin? Crokes obviously, then Stacks, KOR, Dingle, Rathmore should be good enough for QF/SF. Castleknock are top 8 probably in Dublin, and Kenmare beat them in the IFC recently. You would have to think that the strong regional teams like South Kerry and West Kerry (mostly Gaeltacht) could beat any of the Dublin sides. I agree with the point above that the Dublin club players seem to be physically stronger. Interesting to hear from our Dublin correspondents if they have seen any of the Kerry SFC games.
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 17, 2017 12:17:26 GMT
Kerrybhoy - Apologies, I meant to say that prior to the South Kerry game that KOR were fancied to beat them, I didn't mean for the outright Championship.
I don't think KOR would be blown out of the water in the physical stakes against the Dublin sides, I genuinely think they would fare well in the Dub championship. They would not be in the same league as Vincent's or Ballymun but they would put it up to any of the rest of them and let's be honest, these are two of the top 5 or 6 club sides in Ireland at the moment.
I think there are two particular aspects of the game that need to be discussed when comparing Kerry and Dublin club football. First of all, on the physicality and conditioning of the players side, I have no doubt that the Dublin teams as a whole are more physical and conditioned to a higher level. On the technical side of the game, I have no doubt that Kerry clubs have more technical players who perform the basic skills of the game more effectively. This is in general, obviously Vincent's and Ballymun excel in both categories and perhaps a handful of other teams. Kerry teams have always instilled the importance of the basic skills of the game in underage coaching and that's why our club football is strong, we are regularly competing at the business end of the club championships. Templenoe and St. Mary's were a good bit ahead of the chasing pack in terms of quality last year.
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Post by tpo on Oct 17, 2017 14:18:15 GMT
Time may prove me wrong but Vincent's looked poor and I expect Ballymun to win easily. I think they are the only Dublin club capable of beating Crokes
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Post by glengael on Oct 18, 2017 13:36:26 GMT
The key to beating Crokes is to stop them scoring early goals. Discuss.
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 18, 2017 15:22:15 GMT
The key to beating Crokes is to stop them scoring early goals. Discuss. I think the last time Crokes lost a competitive game was in the O' Donoghue Cup final (East Kerry Championship) last year to Rathmore in December. That day, Crokes didn't score a goal. One crucial factor in county finals is getting the match ups right and Crokes have a good record of getting the match ups right especially in most recent finals. I think if Crokes do fail to score a goal, South Kerry have a huge chance in winning. Saying that, with the forwards Crokes have it is easier said than done.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 18, 2017 17:26:50 GMT
South Kerry held KOR (with two county forwards plus Tommy Walsh) to a low score - it was probably the strongest part of their performance in the SF. It is critical that they re-produce this form if they are to have any chance of beating Crokes. They will then be hoping Brian Sheehan has his kicking boots with him as the weakest part of their SF performance was their own ability to put scores on the board. If the game is high scoring, Crokes will be the winners in a canter - SK must keep the score tight to have a chance of victory.
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Post by keane on Oct 18, 2017 17:53:49 GMT
In fairness not only to a low score but to very few opportunities either. It was a powerful defensive performance.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 18, 2017 20:34:50 GMT
South Kerry held KOR (with two county forwards plus Tommy Walsh) to a low score - it was probably the strongest part of their performance in the SF. It is critical that they re-produce this form if they are to have any chance of beating Crokes. They will then be hoping Brian Sheehan has his kicking boots with him as the weakest part of their SF performance was their own ability to put scores on the board. If the game is high scoring, Crokes will be the winners in a canter - SK must keep the score tight to have a chance of victory. SK were very impressive with their defensive structure but it was obvious that Tommy Walsh was carrying an injury from an early stage and yet KO'R were only a point behind at the finish and missed a chance to level it. Add in the loss of John Ferguson & Gavin O'Brien, both in the first half and you can see that KO'R just did not have the strength in depth to trouble SK. Crokes forwards will be a different proposition entirely as will any replacements.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 19, 2017 9:20:37 GMT
Some interesting comments in the media from Mourinho about seeing nothing wrong with defending properly. It will be interesting to see how South Kerry approach this game and set up on the day..
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Post by buck02 on Oct 19, 2017 19:25:03 GMT
Is Killian Young available this weekend?
Both South Kerry wing forwards are natural backs so I wonder will they drop back for long periods and leave the likes of Gavin White and maybe Fionn as free men?
For South Kerry Sugrue will probably mark Gooch, Wharton on Looney and Paul Sullivan on Burns. On the other side Mike Maloney is taylor made to mark Matthew O Sullivan. John Payne on Daniel Daly (or Niall O Shea is he starts?). Alan Sullivan on Sheehan?
Daithi Casey's pace in MF could be a problem for SK.
Its impossible to look beyond Crokes, especially if all the rain has stopped by Sunday. SKs best chance is to do to Crokes what Feale Rangers did to SK 10 years ago. Cant see it. Crokes by 5+.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 19, 2017 21:42:57 GMT
Is Killian Young available this weekend? Both South Kerry wing forwards are natural backs so I wonder will they drop back for long periods and leave the likes of Gavin White and maybe Fionn as free men? For South Kerry Sugrue will probably mark Gooch, Wharton on Looney and Paul Sullivan on Burns. On the other side Mike Maloney is taylor made to mark Matthew O Sullivan. John Payne on Daniel Daly (or Niall O Shea is he starts?). Alan Sullivan on Sheehan? Daithi Casey's pace in MF could be a problem for SK. Its impossible to look beyond Crokes, especially if all the rain has stopped by Sunday. SKs best chance is to do to Crokes what Feale Rangers did to SK 10 years ago. Cant see it. Crokes by 5+. Killian is out until early 2018.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 20, 2017 13:11:14 GMT
Crokes and SK fans will need to get to ASP early on Sunday to get a seat - otherwise the Kilcuminites and Naries will have all the best seats taken.
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Post by lár na páirce on Oct 21, 2017 12:14:54 GMT
If Templenoe win the Inter,Will this mean Kilgarven/Tousist be a county championship side? or do they fall in with another division? But who? East Kerry are overpopulated already and with Kilcummin possibly joining them it would serve no purpose for the Kenmare district guys.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 21, 2017 12:30:12 GMT
If Templenoe win the Inter,Will this mean Kilgarven/Tousist be a county championship side? or do they fall in with another division? But who? East Kerry are overpopulated already and with Kilcummin possibly joining them it would serve no purpose for the Kenmare district guys. Yeah - i agree! You would hope that common sense might prevail in this instance and bring a bit of fluidity to divisional sides when needs be
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 21, 2017 13:49:17 GMT
Equally if Gaeltacht win the Intermediate, that would leave WK as a combination of Castlegregory/Annascaul/ Lispole - a big issue for the current review committee.
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Post by highballintostar on Oct 21, 2017 18:39:08 GMT
Is the relegation play off between Kilcummin and Kerins O'Rahillys still going ahead?
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 21, 2017 19:46:14 GMT
Is the relegation play off between Kilcummin and Kerins O'Rahillys still going ahead? Yes, 1.00 pm in ASP
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Post by glengael on Oct 22, 2017 11:22:32 GMT
Is the relegation play off between Kilcummin and Kerins O'Rahillys still going ahead? Yes, 1.00 pm in ASP Remind me again, how did Rahilly's end up in a play off having reached the semi-finals?
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Post by Aodhan on Oct 22, 2017 13:39:33 GMT
Remind me again, how did Rahilly's end up in a play off having reached the semi-finals? By losing to Kenmare Shamrocks and Austin Stacks in the Senior Club Championship.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 22, 2017 16:26:21 GMT
Very efficient win by Crokes - SK held them goalless and gave themselves a real chance. Crokes unerring accuracy (2widea all game) and craft (borderline cynical) saw them over the line. Not the swashbuckling Crokes performance we may have been expecting but their conversion factor was crucial. SK had nine wides to Crokes two.
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Post by narie10 on Oct 22, 2017 16:27:53 GMT
Remind me again, how did Rahilly's end up in a play off having reached the semi-finals? Though a silly system to try reduce Senior Championship to fewer club teams. Crazy.
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