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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 10, 2017 18:46:36 GMT
Draw being made tonight.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 10, 2017 19:20:47 GMT
Being streamed live on the Kerry GAA facebook page from 8:30
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 10, 2017 20:19:03 GMT
Garvey’s SuperValu Senior Football Championship – Round 1 Draw 2017 – Qualifier game Sat May 6 in Austin Stack Park – Extra Time St Brendans v Shannon Rgs.
Rd 1 = Open draw - 16 teams (8 v 8) – Extra time Games to be played Weekend May 13/14 - CCC to decide venues, times and dates. East Kerry v Rathmore Austin Stacks v St Kierans West Kerry v Feale Rgs Killarney Legion v Kenmare Shamrocks Qualifier Winner v Kilcummin Kerins O’Rahillys v South Kerry Kenmare District v Dingle Dr Crokes v Mid Kerry Competition Format Rd 2A = Rd 1 winners – 8 teams – open draw (4 v 4) – extra time Rd 2B = Rd 1 losers – 8 teams – open draw (4 v 4) – extra time Rd 2A winners progress to Quarter Finals (4 teams) Rd 2A losers progress to Rd 3 (4 teams) Rd 2B winners progress to Rd 3 (4 teams) Rd 2B losers exit competition (4 teams)
Rd 3 = 2A Losers v 2B Winners - 8 teams (4 v 4) - extra time (avoid repeat games)
Quarter Finals – Rd 2A Winners v Rd 3 Winners (4 v 4) extra time Quarter Final Draw: Seeded Draw: 2A Winners in one bowl and Rd 3 Winners in separate bowl. Avoid repeat games if possible
Semi Finals – Quarter Final winners (open draw) Final – Semi Final winners
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 10, 2017 20:38:35 GMT
They might aswell dispense with a draw and just get rahilleys to play south Kerry every year
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Post by buck02 on Apr 11, 2017 11:32:13 GMT
East Kerry v Rathmore - RATHMORE Austin Stacks v St Kierans - STACKS West Kerry v Feale Rgs - Toss of a coin Killarney Legion v Kenmare Shamrocks - KENMARE
Qualifier Winner v Kilcummin - BRENDANS Kerins O’Rahillys v South Kerry - RAHILLYS Kenmare District v Dingle - DINGLE Dr Crokes v Mid Kerry - CROKES
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 12, 2017 8:22:22 GMT
East Kerry v Rathmore - RATHMORE by 1 Austin Stacks v St Kierans - STACKS by 5 West Kerry v Feale Rgs - WEST KERRY by 4 Killarney Legion v Kenmare Shamrocks - DRAW
Qualifier Winner v Kilcummin - BRENDANS by 4(vs S RGS) and BRENDANS by 3 vs KILCUMMIN Kerins O’Rahillys v South Kerry - RAHILLYS by 3 Kenmare District v Dingle - DINGLE by 6 Dr Crokes v Mid Kerry - CROKES by 3
Exciting Championship this year with a few nice encounters here to look forward to.
I give 5 sides a good chance of winning it out:
Crokes Dingle Stacks South Kerry Mid Kerry
Rahillys are not without a chance and the same for Rathmore. Both these are capable of beating any other team on their day but consistency may be the issue with them.
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Post by mossie on Apr 17, 2017 21:59:50 GMT
I am not so sure about Stacks Hugh.
I think they peaked when they won it last
then again it is a big year for the club so ..
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 19, 2017 13:38:51 GMT
Perhaps so Mossie. I just think they are a team that build momentum with a few wins and on their day are capable of causing an upset or two. Greg Horan is a big boost with him returning to the field after tearing his ACL. Jack Morgan is a player who I think has a bright future in the game. Shane O Callaghan very dangerous on form, Star obviously, David Mannix is a threat and then you have Ronan Shanahan and Fearghal McNamara who are two of the top defenders in the county. There is a core of a very strong team there.
I would love to see a repeat of the Crokes v Stacks 2010 & 2013 finals. In 2013 Stacks really underperformed and Crokes played very well resulting in a completely one-sided affair. I think the atmosphere at a County final between these two sides again would be electric......they play each other this Sunday in the Club Championship in Lewis Road and it should be a cracker. Crokes have many worries going into the game with the suspension of Ambrose O Donovan along with injuries to Luke Quinn, Johnny Buckley, Kieran O Leary and Tony Brosnan.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 19, 2017 15:33:20 GMT
Perhaps so Mossie. I just think they are a team that build momentum with a few wins and on their day are capable of causing an upset or two. Greg Horan is a big boost with him returning to the field after tearing his ACL. Jack Morgan is a player who I think has a bright future in the game. Shane O Callaghan very dangerous on form, Star obviously, David Mannix is a threat and then you have Ronan Shanahan and Fearghal McNamara who are two of the top defenders in the county. There is a core of a very strong team there. I would love to see a repeat of the Crokes v Stacks 2010 & 2013 finals. In 2013 Stacks really underperformed and Crokes played very well resulting in a completely one-sided affair. I think the atmosphere at a County final between these two sides again would be electric......they play each other this Sunday in the Club Championship in Lewis Road and it should be a cracker. Crokes have many worries going into the game with the suspension of Ambrose O Donovan along with injuries to Luke Quinn, Johnny Buckley, Kieran O Leary and Tony Brosnan. Stacks as you say have a core of a strong team but having seen them play vs Mitchels ( County League) and Rahillys last week end in the Tralee town league final they seem to have problems in key positions, namely full back, centre back and mid field; granted Star will return but may not be the answer to midfield - they have a no of long term injuries, Denis McElligott, Conor Jordan, Ciaran O'Connell - Mitchels put 4-10 past them, Rahillys 2-15 with a back line that included Ferghal McNamara, Ronan Shanahan, Pa McCarthy but there was little they could do as they were well beaten at midfield (Michael O'Donnell & Alan Duggan - by the way O'Donnell went off injured early in the second half); they introduced Shane Carroll and Mikey Collins neither of whom made a big impression - think they will struggle against Crokes next week despite Crokes'injuries.
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Post by mossie on Apr 19, 2017 21:55:47 GMT
Perhaps so Mossie. I just think they are a team that build momentum with a few wins and on their day are capable of causing an upset or two. Greg Horan is a big boost with him returning to the field after tearing his ACL. Jack Morgan is a player who I think has a bright future in the game. Shane O Callaghan very dangerous on form, Star obviously, David Mannix is a threat and then you have Ronan Shanahan and Fearghal McNamara who are two of the top defenders in the county. There is a core of a very strong team there. I would love to see a repeat of the Crokes v Stacks 2010 & 2013 finals. In 2013 Stacks really underperformed and Crokes played very well resulting in a completely one-sided affair. I think the atmosphere at a County final between these two sides again would be electric......they play each other this Sunday in the Club Championship in Lewis Road and it should be a cracker. Crokes have many worries going into the game with the suspension of Ambrose O Donovan along with injuries to Luke Quinn, Johnny Buckley, Kieran O Leary and Tony Brosnan.[/quote aye Hugh, when Stacks gather momentum they can be dangerous but I still don't see them as outright championship winners. rockies be delighted to have us eat humble pie
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 20, 2017 8:36:13 GMT
Perhaps so Mossie. I just think they are a team that build momentum with a few wins and on their day are capable of causing an upset or two. Greg Horan is a big boost with him returning to the field after tearing his ACL. Jack Morgan is a player who I think has a bright future in the game. Shane O Callaghan very dangerous on form, Star obviously, David Mannix is a threat and then you have Ronan Shanahan and Fearghal McNamara who are two of the top defenders in the county. There is a core of a very strong team there. I would love to see a repeat of the Crokes v Stacks 2010 & 2013 finals. In 2013 Stacks really underperformed and Crokes played very well resulting in a completely one-sided affair. I think the atmosphere at a County final between these two sides again would be electric......they play each other this Sunday in the Club Championship in Lewis Road and it should be a cracker. Crokes have many worries going into the game with the suspension of Ambrose O Donovan along with injuries to Luke Quinn, Johnny Buckley, Kieran O Leary and Tony Brosnan. Stacks as you say have a core of a strong team but having seen them play vs Mitchels ( County League) and Rahillys last week end in the Tralee town league final they seem to have problems in key positions, namely full back, centre back and mid field; granted Star will return but may not be the answer to midfield - they have a no of long term injuries, Denis McElligott, Conor Jordan, Ciaran O'Connell - Mitchels put 4-10 past them, Rahillys 2-15 with a back line that included Ferghal McNamara, Ronan Shanahan, Pa McCarthy but there was little they could do as they were well beaten at midfield (Michael O'Donnell & Alan Duggan - by the way O'Donnell went off injured early in the second half); they introduced Shane Carroll and Mikey Collins neither of whom made a big impression - think they will struggle against Crokes next week despite Crokes'injuries. I was aware they had conceded a big score against Mitchels alright but was presuming they had a weakened team out. When you consider Mitchels meagre score against Ardfert it is more surprising, although Ardfert are a tough nut. Pa McCarthy seems to put more of an emphasis on attacking which Crokes have often taken advantage of. I have only seen Alan Duggan play once so wouldn't be able to properly pass judgement on him. Michael O Donnell is player who has impressed me in the 4 or 5 games I have seen him play, big man who can carry ball with great hands on him. Is commitment the issue with Shane Carroll? Those lads are big enough losses to Stacks, I didn't realise they had long term injuries.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 18:42:57 GMT
Shannon Rangers absolute disgrace this evening - they have no interest in being in the championship - that's the issue with this championship format divisional sides can never get relegated - meanwhile great championship club sides were relegated a few years back - absolute joke
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 6, 2017 19:05:39 GMT
Shannon Rangers absolute disgrace this evening - they have no interest in being in the championship - that's the issue with this championship format divisional sides can never get relegated - meanwhile great championship club sides were relegated a few years back - absolute joke They are weeded out for the rest of this year's championship, what is the problem?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 19:11:18 GMT
Shannon Rangers absolute disgrace this evening - they have no interest in being in the championship - that's the issue with this championship format divisional sides can never get relegated - meanwhile great championship club sides were relegated a few years back - absolute joke They are weeded out for the rest of this year's championship, what is the problem? And back in again next year when the same 2 f**ks will be given by them. Point is no relegation for teams going out with blatant disregard for the senior championship
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Post by nk1 on May 6, 2017 20:48:55 GMT
Shannon Rangers absolute disgrace this evening - they have no interest in being in the championship - that's the issue with this championship format divisional sides can never get relegated - meanwhile great championship club sides were relegated a few years back - absolute joke They are weeded out for the rest of this year's championship, what is the problem? . The problem is ? take north kerry - there isn't enough top players in this district to support 2 teams in the championship , there Is no team left from NK in any of the club championships , the county board needs to take control , the people in charge up here are living in the past and are doing no favours to the few descent players that are up here. I am sure if there was 1 NK team in the championship over a year or 2 it would pay dividends for all . Having said that I expect feale rangers to be more competitive that Shannon rangers this year . Then that wouldn't be hard !
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Post by An Bradán on May 6, 2017 22:09:07 GMT
No effort by F R players either preparing for championship from what I've heard.
Decent players in every part of Kerry but organisation / preparations sadly lacking in some.
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Post by pillar on May 6, 2017 22:53:50 GMT
A senior club will be relegated from the County Championship every year.A club that works hard year in year out from U6 to senior .Could be A Dingle or a Kerins O Rahillys who are providing a great outlet for their respective communities. Yet a divisional team with zero interest can come together for 1 night,be beaten and not have to worry about their status next year.Has the time come to have relegation from County Championship based on whoever loses the most games in the competition. (Similar to the present Club Championship format).And if it is to be a divisional team that'll show who takes it seriously
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Post by kerrygold on May 6, 2017 23:09:24 GMT
It is an anomaly alright, on the other hand Kenmare didn't want to go senior in 2017. Small clubs forced to go senior isn't the answer either. All of Kenmare district would probably be better served by having a strong district championship team in 2017 picked from the four clubs.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 23:18:47 GMT
A senior club will be relegated from the County Championship every year.A club that works hard year in year out from U6 to senior .Could be A Dingle or a Kerins O Rahillys who are providing a great outlet for their respective communities. Yet a divisional team with zero interest can come together for 1 night,be beaten and not have to worry about their status next year.Has the time come to have relegation from County Championship based on whoever loses the most games in the competition. (Similar to the present Club Championship format).And if it is to be a divisional team that'll show who takes it seriously Spot on - Laune Rangers got relegated 2 years ago having won 2 games in the championship that year - as an example - and you have Shannon Rangers coming together or not as the case is here and no consequences for next season - the format needs to be re reviewed - what if Temolenoe win the Intermediate this year - what happens to Kenmare District next year in the championship? Structure and format needs re reviewing
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Post by mossie on May 7, 2017 1:32:08 GMT
I sometimes wonder should the divisional teams been done away with all together
In the past they were necessary to develop players and find players from smaller clubs in the lower grades and served a huge purpose in that sense. However that was in an era before the county leagues became as competitive as they are now and the junior\intermediate club championships were not as big then. With development squads now so well set up no gem from a smaller club is going to missed out by the county selectors. Maybe keep divisional suntil the u 21 grade but after that let them go. The county junior is there to be used to develop players from novice\junior\inter clubs also. Maybe have a back door in these competitions as well to give more games at championship grade. It is harsh for a club to be out of there championship by mid april.
It is kind of farcical to have teams coming together in rag ball rovers fashion for the county's premier competition. It is a viewpoint many wont share but the more divisional teams you see coming out in rag fahion the more I come to this conclusion
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Post by mossie on May 7, 2017 1:40:06 GMT
No effort by F R players either preparing for championship from what I've heard. Decent players in every part of Kerry but organisation / preparations sadly lacking in some. Lads it is hard enough for football only divisions to prepare for the county senior championship with players involved with their clubs, colleges, Kerry under 21 and seniors With St Brendans, Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers they have the added dimension of hurling clubs and the Kerry senior hurlers in the mix It is becoming well nigh impossible for divisions to have a window to train I don't subscribe to the view of an all north Kerry team. Shannon Rangers were in county senior semi in recent years and Feale Rangers won a senior title in 2007. How many divisions have won a title since? Just one I think South Kerry Both Feale and Shannon Rangers should be capable of having competitive teams at senior. It is just a question of organisation, desire, will and most of all finding a slot in the calendar to get the team prepared.
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Post by Premier on May 7, 2017 7:24:40 GMT
A senior club will be relegated from the County Championship every year.A club that works hard year in year out from U6 to senior .Could be A Dingle or a Kerins O Rahillys who are providing a great outlet for their respective communities. Yet a divisional team with zero interest can come together for 1 night,be beaten and not have to worry about their status next year.Has the time come to have relegation from County Championship based on whoever loses the most games in the competition. (Similar to the present Club Championship format).And if it is to be a divisional team that'll show who takes it seriously Spot on - Laune Rangers got relegated 2 years ago having won 2 games in the championship that year - as an example - and you have Shannon Rangers coming together or not as the case is here and no consequences for next season - the format needs to be re reviewed - what if Temolenoe win the Intermediate this year - what happens to Kenmare District next year in the championship? Structure and format needs re reviewing In fairness the year that Laune Rangers went down there was a restructure which I think has been a success. 8 really competitive teams as opposed to the 11 where the bottom few were only concerned with winning 1 game to stay senior. The consequence for Shannon Rangers is they don't take part in the rest of this championship. You realistically can't relegate a division, you are depriving a big section of playing county senior championship. Even if the likes of Laune Rangers are aggrieved, the best players can still play county championship with Mid Kerry. If a team thinks they should be senior, go win the intermediate
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 8:10:18 GMT
Spot on - Laune Rangers got relegated 2 years ago having won 2 games in the championship that year - as an example - and you have Shannon Rangers coming together or not as the case is here and no consequences for next season - the format needs to be re reviewed - what if Temolenoe win the Intermediate this year - what happens to Kenmare District next year in the championship? Structure and format needs re reviewing In fairness the year that Laune Rangers went down there was a restructure which I think has been a success. 8 really competitive teams as opposed to the 11 where the bottom few were only concerned with winning 1 game to stay senior. The consequence for Shannon Rangers is they don't take part in the rest of this championship. You realistically can't relegate a division, you are depriving a big section of playing county senior championship. Even if the likes of Laune Rangers are aggrieved, the best players can still play county championship with Mid Kerry. If a team thinks they should be senior, go win the intermediate The key point here is SR will be in the championship year after year putting the same terrible performances and preparation as they have done most years. I believe one NK team because SR and FR are going nowhere fast and the kind of performance last night made a mockery of the championship. Pathetic
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Post by shaggy04 on May 7, 2017 8:55:54 GMT
It is an anomaly alright, on the other hand Kenmare didn't want to go senior in 2017. Small clubs forced to go senior isn't the answer either. All of Kenmare district would probably be better served by having a strong district championship team in 2017 picked from the four clubs. I doubt any club would pass up the chance to go senior, even if it is for just one year, what's the worst that can happen, they get relegated back to intermediate again, as it turned out, kenmare won their first game and are senior again next year, would kenmare beat Shannon rangers?.what happens if templenoe win intermediate this year, they go senior because they've earned it,are they good enough to compete, yes, are they good enough to win it,maybe not, are they better then Shannon rangers?
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Post by hurlingman on May 7, 2017 9:09:09 GMT
It is an anomaly alright, on the other hand Kenmare didn't want to go senior in 2017. Small clubs forced to go senior isn't the answer either. All of Kenmare district would probably be better served by having a strong district championship team in 2017 picked from the four clubs. I doubt any club would pass up the chance to go senior, even if it is for just one year, what's the worst that can happen, they get relegated back to intermediate again, as it turned out, kenmare won their first game and are senior again next year, would kenmare beat Shannon rangers?.what happens if templenoe win intermediate this year, they go senior because they've earned it,are they good enough to compete, yes, are they good enough to win it,maybe not, are they better then Shannon rangers? I agree any team who win a championship and dont go up really need to take a look at themselves. Didn't Annascaul stay Intermediate when they last won it? Look at them now having gone down to junior and might not get a chance for a long time to be anywhere near winning an Intermediate. With the likes of SR etc I cant understand how a team who made it to the semi finals only 3 years ago can have become so bad almost overnight. There imo a simpler issue in the hurling championship with teams knowing no matter how bad they are they'll never be relegated
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 7, 2017 9:47:51 GMT
Doing away with divisional sides would not be a good idea in my opinion.
They have been one of the rocks upon which Kerry football has been built.
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Post by mossie on May 7, 2017 9:50:39 GMT
It is an anomaly alright, on the other hand Kenmare didn't want to go senior in 2017. Small clubs forced to go senior isn't the answer either. All of Kenmare district would probably be better served by having a strong district championship team in 2017 picked from the four clubs. I doubt any club would pass up the chance to go senior, even if it is for just one year, what's the worst that can happen, they get relegated back to intermediate again, as it turned out, kenmare won their first game and are senior again next year, would kenmare beat Shannon rangers?.what happens if templenoe win intermediate this year, they go senior because they've earned it,are they good enough to compete, yes, are they good enough to win it,maybe not, are they better then Shannon rangers? jez if Templenoe were to end the intermediate, Kenmare district would be left with Kilgarvan, Tousist and I think that would be it? ! A distinct possibilty
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Post by mossie on May 7, 2017 9:54:14 GMT
Doing away with divisional sides would not be a good idea in my opinion. They have been one of the rocks upon which Kerry football has been built. I didn't expect much support for my view. huge part of the success of Kerry football no doubt but not as required anymore for the reasons I mentioned. would keep them as far as 21s alright.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 7, 2017 9:57:38 GMT
Doing away with divisional sides would not be a good idea in my opinion. They have been one of the rocks upon which Kerry football has been built. I agree that we should never contemplate doing away with the divisional sides but some form of sanction/negative impact needs to be in place as last night was a farce.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 7, 2017 9:59:35 GMT
Spot on - Laune Rangers got relegated 2 years ago having won 2 games in the championship that year - as an example - and you have Shannon Rangers coming together or not as the case is here and no consequences for next season - the format needs to be re reviewed - what if Temolenoe win the Intermediate this year - what happens to Kenmare District next year in the championship? Structure and format needs re reviewing In fairness the year that Laune Rangers went down there was a restructure which I think has been a success. 8 really competitive teams as opposed to the 11 where the bottom few were only concerned with winning 1 game to stay senior. The consequence for Shannon Rangers is they don't take part in the rest of this championship. You realistically can't relegate a division, you are depriving a big section of playing county senior championship. Even if the likes of Laune Rangers are aggrieved, the best players can still play county championship with Mid Kerry. If a team thinks they should be senior, go win the intermediate Depriving them is very bombastic language- if they wanna play then they need to work harder. Your point about winning the intermediate could apply to every player with a non senior club- there needs to be a negative impact for a performance like last night- SR were an embarrassment
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