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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 28, 2016 23:27:46 GMT
A case of what might have been * A fully fit Maher & Jameso * Failure to blood younger players during the league- why were we introducing Marc & Bryan in the last 15 mins?? * Paul Geaney, without question our player of the year, withdrawn in the final 10 mins!! * We needed Mark O'Connor in the final 1/4 Immensely proud, probably the end of some heroes in the famed jersey, likely that Fitzy will step down. A rebuilding job in store, JO'C if willing has no challengers- the future is bright, today's minors are tomorrow's seniors- Clifford, Shaw ( first cousin of the O'Sheas from Mayo), Sean O'Shea, O'Brien & Foley in defence- winning minors from 14 & 15 will also feature, Burns, Coffey, O'Sé, Kiely. The last substation was indeed perplexing. Why replace a forward with a back when we needed to put up some more scores? In the stand we thought a mistake has been made on the Board and Marc was coming on for Killian (no 4) rather than Paul (no 14). Is it possible that such a basic skip-up was made? A definite slip up came after the first goal where the scoreboard awarded the Goal to Dublin! I guess that went outside the expected script.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 28, 2016 23:45:20 GMT
We never played long diagonal ball into forwards in the second half Like we did in the end of first did we change our plan right after we had it figured out ? I thought we would resume second half with more of the same pressing game like we finished the first and had cluxton In all kinds of trouble No one has mentioned the illegal steal by Fenton Right in front of ref when he stole the throw up ball When there we already a Dublin player in for it with star? That was a cheeky steal but looked totally illegal to me
Thanks for the effort lads absolutely huge proud to be Kerry we are not going away
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Post by stevieq on Aug 29, 2016 0:03:33 GMT
HEAD MELTED
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 29, 2016 1:04:24 GMT
First off great effort . We did a lot better than I thought we would. The start we got was terrible was always chasing it. We went in 5 points up and didn't build on it. Some terrible mistakes too in the second half some of the passing was bad. We gave the ball away in good positions. Dublin were there for the taking. This was a poor Dublin performance and if they play like that against Mayo they will lose. I think it's time now to rebuild the Panel. A lot of the older guys have to dropped and we need to bring 6 or 7 younger players and start fresh for next year. Can't agree with that..22 points is what it took to beat Kerry today. Phenomenal stuff. If Dublin register that scoreline v Mayo it will be a handy win for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 1:20:47 GMT
I really don't care if you agree with it or not.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 29, 2016 1:38:08 GMT
This Dublin team has serious bottle. You could pick out any of them and find little fault. They used to lack bottle . Not anymore. One word - composure. We had our chances in those final minutes. Dublin took theirs. Small margins. Big difference. Hats off to Kerry. We gave it our all. Hats off to Dublin. They deserved it.
In tight games, things like refereeing decisions are headline material and thorny issues. A more forensic analysis is required. Ultimately the difference between winning and losing today had little to do with the ref. For me the Kerry kick out was a major flaw. How many scores did we cough up directly from our own kickout? It was a scourge. At times when the ball was in flight from our kickout it was as clear as day that the breaking ball was heading to a Dublin shirt and a Dublin shirt only. How many breaks did Dublin win after a Kerry hand getting a touch on the ball? How many scores did we concede directly from our own kickout? When the ref blew for halftime our gander was up. The kickout had me worried though. It was one area that had me concerned and was not going away.
Fair play to Dublin.The pressure was on them big time today. It's imperative this Dublin team manage at the very least a 2 in a row to be considered a great team. They took a giant stride in achieving that today. Kerry exposed cracks. Dublin refused to crack. Great pride in many of our own. They died with their boots on. Fine margins indeed. We'll rise again .
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 29, 2016 1:46:58 GMT
I really don't care if you agree with it or not. Not being tetchy but you made the point that if Dublin play like they did today they will be beaten by Mayo. 22 points will go a long way to seeing Kilkenny or Tipp out the gap next Sunday in the hurling final let alone a scoreline like that in a football match. Not bad for team playing 'like that' I'm not having a go at you but credit where credit is due.
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 29, 2016 3:50:54 GMT
My mindset at 60 minutes had Dublin losing today and I have to say there would of been little shame in losing to that Kerry performance . As a county you are a class act lads . I commend you in victory and all I can say is I would have been equally quick to commend you in defeat. A wonderful Kerry display .
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Post by kingdomkerry on Aug 29, 2016 5:23:49 GMT
Not so much disappointed by the loss but the way in which we lost. Great game. Will go down as an all time classic. Three factors cost us the game. EF taking off our most dangerous attacker for a 36 year old back. Gooch dropping a certain point short after selling a couple of dummies and a number of decisions by a hometown referee. Don't like to mention the ref when you loose but 2 of the soft three or four 21 yard frees that Dublin got included a block by Crowley and a turnover by Murphy. Not to mention the foul on Crowley. Shoulder to face. But fair play to Dublin. Probably best ever Dublin team ever.
Think we need to change our manager. With the talent we have coming up we need the right man in charge. Some of the decisions made on the line in the last couple of years have me thinking we don't. Taking off JOD last year and leaving Donaghy isolated on his own. Taking off Geaney yesterday and not having a full forward line yesterday in the last 10 minutes?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 29, 2016 5:42:35 GMT
www.sportsfile.com/id/1207808/Looking through the gallery now, found the image of Donaghy and his daughter. Must say he has been a great servant to Kerry football over the years. I can still remember him scoring Kerry's second goal against Mayo in '06' and upsetting the Cork defence in '07'. We may never see such a man like Donaghy again if he does retire, but we can always look back on his prime days along with Marc and Aidan. 3 great servants to Kerry football through the great years. Well said
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Post by mayo4sam on Aug 29, 2016 6:26:21 GMT
First off great effort . We did a lot better than I thought we would. The start we got was terrible was always chasing it. We went in 5 points up and didn't build on it. Some terrible mistakes too in the second half some of the passing was bad. We gave the ball away in good positions. Dublin were there for the taking. This was a poor Dublin performance and if they play like that against Mayo they will lose. I think it's time now to rebuild the Panel. A lot of the older guys have to dropped and we need to bring 6 or 7 younger players and start fresh for next year. Can't agree with that..22 points is what it took to beat Kerry today. Phenomenal stuff. If Dublin register that scoreline v Mayo it will be a handy win for them. Seaniebo, Mayo drew with this team last year when they had mc caffrey and roc. I can't wait for gavin to set up against Mayo, what team will he set up for as Rochford has changed his team in every game. This Mayo team have more in the legs than Kerry and won't fall by the wayside in the last 10 minutes, and have been saving themselves to give a big performance for the final. Maigh Eo Abu
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 29, 2016 7:59:41 GMT
After a nights sleep my frustration with Mr Gough (22 to 13 free count, 45 not given, foul on Crowley etc) has been tempered with my thoughts truning to what we could have done better. We started poorly and were outplayed for much of the first half - lost too many of our own kickouts and conceded 3-4 points from them. Then we retuned the favour by pilfering a goal from Cluxton and had a great spell up to half time (who knows if the half ran for another 5-10 minutes what we could have done as Dublin were on the ropes). We started the second half poorly again (after Gough again failed to award a free to Moran) and left Dublin draw level. The last ten minutes are perplexing for a number of reasons - we pulled most of our team back into defence, withdrew our most potent forward for an aged warrior defender and when we attacked it was one man running against the Dublin defence with little or no support. Had we run out of legs or what caused us to retreat like this we will speculate for the long winter ahead. Dublin being touted as the greatest ever is probably a bridge too far for me - they are damm good but the opposition are making them look great at present. Looking forward to our re-moulded team of young talent emerging and taking sweet revenge in the next year or two. Back to county fare and in the now famous Game of Thrones phrase - Winter is coming.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 29, 2016 8:04:13 GMT
A heroic performance - clearly a huge amount of physical and mental effort went into this over a long period. Dublin were slightly fitter and that ultimately made the difference. We must be careful in what we say as players, management, their families and a whole range of people made sacrifices to bring us to this point.
I don’t agree with O’Rourke’s opinion on the Sunday Game saying that there was never a better game, remembering back to 1970. The ’77 semi-final was better – no sweepers, no lateral build ups – it was a race for the jugular.
In 3 weeks I expect we will have up to 80 under 21’s, all with All-Ireland minor medals. In 16 weeks the McGrath Cup starts. We need to start building a team from the first game. The oldest players should be in their 20's, Crowley, Enright, O’Donoghue, with a sprinkling of younger players. I would like to see players close to half the age of O’Mahony or Marc.
P.S. Sheehan would never have made that save!!!
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Aug 29, 2016 8:17:29 GMT
I saw a few people criticising Crowley, after that hit from McManamon challenge, saying that he tried to get the game stopped with play-acting. Just spotted this photo of the physios trying to drag him back. Should dispel any of the notions he was acting up. Why would the physios be trying to stop him, if he was ok! www.sportsfile.com/id/1207869/
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Post by fg on Aug 29, 2016 8:25:52 GMT
Can't agree with that..22 points is what it took to beat Kerry today. Phenomenal stuff. If Dublin register that scoreline v Mayo it will be a handy win for them. Seaniebo, Mayo drew with this team last year when they had mc caffrey and roc. I can't wait for gavin to set up against Mayo, what team will he set up for as Rochford has changed his team in every game. This Mayo team have more in the legs than Kerry and won't fall by the wayside in the last 10 minutes, and have been saving themselves to give a big performance for the final. Maigh Eo Abu I suppose Mayo have been saving themselves for over 60 years, will you ever go away and post on Hoganstand, which would just be about your level, fool.
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Post by muilleann on Aug 29, 2016 8:30:12 GMT
Dublin's ability to come back from being 5 points down at halftime and their outscoring of Kerry in the second half was the real difference between the teams.
As a neutral from Tipp it was a brilliant game and well done to both teams!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 8:45:18 GMT
Well done to Dublin, they are a fine team. We did not do enough in the 2nd half to take the referee out of the equation and for that we have ourselves to blame as we had the opportunity.
I think people are making too much of the geaney substitution. Dublin were well on top at the stage and we were struggling to get the ball up the pitch.
Like fitzmaurice, I will keep quiet on the ref and also the concerns i expressed before the game. That is for another day.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Aug 29, 2016 8:55:15 GMT
Can't agree with that..22 points is what it took to beat Kerry today. Phenomenal stuff. If Dublin register that scoreline v Mayo it will be a handy win for them. Seaniebo, Mayo drew with this team last year when they had mc caffrey and roc. I can't wait for gavin to set up against Mayo, what team will he set up for as Rochford has changed his team in every game. This Mayo team have more in the legs than Kerry and won't fall by the wayside in the last 10 minutes, and have been saving themselves to give a big performance for the final. Maigh Eo Abu This isn't the time for cheerleading buddy. Show a little grace.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2016 8:57:02 GMT
The call on Crowley is huge in the context of the outcome of the game. Draw match versus 2 points down 4 minutes into injury time are polarised universes after bursting your balls for 80 minutes in a tight game in comparison to one or two of the hand tapping frees given to the Dubs in front of the Hill.
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Post by ballybunion on Aug 29, 2016 9:12:17 GMT
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Post by seamus on Aug 29, 2016 9:18:42 GMT
The freshness and fitness the Dubs had in the last 15 minutes was what did for us. Most of our lads were out on their feet. Not sure if it is a conditioning thing or the fact that we were carrying a few players who lack mobility and others such as Killian and Murphy had to empty the tank and work harder to compensate. Paul Flynn was the only Dub who looked off the pace. We had 5 or 6.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Aug 29, 2016 9:19:42 GMT
Hats off to Kerry players and management. Our legs were gone before half time and the bell couldn't comme quick enough. In the end, we showed that little bit of extra composure that got us out of jail. With the notable excpetion of Tipperary, this has been a poor year. However this game has illuminated the football championship and showed that football can still enthrall the neutral when played with the right spirit.
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Post by mayo4sam on Aug 29, 2016 9:20:09 GMT
Seaniebo, Mayo drew with this team last year when they had mc caffrey and roc. I can't wait for gavin to set up against Mayo, what team will he set up for as Rochford has changed his team in every game. This Mayo team have more in the legs than Kerry and won't fall by the wayside in the last 10 minutes, and have been saving themselves to give a big performance for the final. Maigh Eo Abu I suppose Mayo have been saving themselves for over 60 years, will you ever go away and post on Hoganstand, which would just be about your level, fool. Fg I think seanibos comment is for hoganstand, we have knocked out all the reigning champions since 2011. your comment about mayo just shows Ur mentality. Suck it Up and accept your defeat. we Will beat the Dubs. Up the West
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2016 9:24:04 GMT
The freshness and fitness the Dubs had in the last 15 minutes was what did for us. Most of our lads were out on their feet. Not sure if it is a conditioning thing or the fact that we were carrying a few players who lack mobility and others such as Killian and Murphy had to empty the tank and work harder to compensate. Paul Flynn was the only Dub who looked off the pace. We had 5 or 6. Dublin also have greater numbers of better players spread across their team and bench.
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Aug 29, 2016 9:24:28 GMT
The freshness and fitness the Dubs had in the last 15 minutes was what did for us. Most of our lads were out on their feet. Not sure if it is a conditioning thing or the fact that we were carrying a few players who lack mobility and others such as Killian and Murphy had to empty the tank and work harder to compensate. Paul Flynn was the only Dub who looked off the pace. We had 5 or 6. Just on Flynn. There was something that happened in Swords that may have affected him yesterday. I don't know if it did or not, but I know that something happened with a friend of his.
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Post by beantownfan on Aug 29, 2016 9:26:44 GMT
Leaving the game, while disappointed, I was happy that Kerry had accounted excellently for themselves, and had played out of their skin... Unfortunately the more time goes by since the game I am getting more annoyed by the what could have beens... While the ref made a few poor decisions and one terrible one, it was still entirely within our own control to win the game.. You'd have to question the decision to replace Geaney with Marc, and bringing on Sheehan. I know there have been several debates on here as to the usefulness of Sheehan, but I am afraid he is simply not up to scratch when playing top opposition like Dublin. He came on yesterday and within 2 minutes was beaten for pace by a man that had played the full game.. I have since wondered if Jonathan Lyne would have been a better option.. Was Eamonn thinking Kerry were going to get a few frees? The game certainly wasn't the type you'd throw Sheehan into. Moran, while overall had a good game made a few bad decisions late on.. Around the 65th minute I think he took a shot at goal and kicked it wide.. BJK was wide open, in a better position about 10 yards away.. we were up a point at the time I believe.. Later on he put a simple ball over the side line, fatigue was probably kicking in, but they were simple mistakes and the Dubs didn't make many simple errors..
But on a whole you simply have to tip your hat to these men.. To a man, they stood up and were counted.. It was a game for the ages, and when you think the enjoyment they provide, and all on a voluntary basis it is simply mind blowing.. I've a cousin back in Sneem and she text to say Tadhg Morley started his first day's work back there today as a national school teacher.. When you try to fathom how they must feel, the effort they put in, and still be in for work the next morning, it is nothing short of heroic!
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Post by leesider on Aug 29, 2016 9:52:13 GMT
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 29, 2016 9:57:34 GMT
Ref looks close enough but possibly unsighted by two Dublin players?
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Post by veteran on Aug 29, 2016 9:58:17 GMT
On paper , Kerry had no right to be within a kick of a ball or two of Dublin at the end. But they were. Surely, apart from the heroic effort by the players, the fact that this happened is largely due to the EF and friends. This is an exceptional Dublin. The current Kerry team are far from that status. Yet, this exceptional team were pushed to breaking point. Accordingly, I cannot understand why people are suggesting that Eamon should move on. My hope is that he does not. Of course, I will be asking him why he made one inexplicable change late in the game!
I felt the referee was unkind to us on a couple of occasions, most notably the tackle on Peter, but I must refer to the moral fibre of the umpire who waved the green flag for Paul Geaney's goal in front of the Hill. No, we didn't lose because of referee's decisions. We lost to a great team. There is no shame in that. Somebody used the word composure to describe them. That is as good a characterisation as any.
For the first twenty five minutes or so, it looked as if we were in for a mauling and the disturbing thing is that mauling seemed to be dispensed effortlessly. Brian Kelly's fine save prevented that mauling from becoming a rout. But then the goals. Not for the first time, Stephen Cluxton cracked and who knows what might have happened if that half time whistle did not come when it did.
Was the first ten minutes of the second half the most crucial section of the game? Perhaps. Dublin calmly and methodically had the deficit wiped out in the blink of an eyelid. Composure again I suppose.
It must be remembered that we lost KD and Darran in the second half but by dent of a superhuman effort we accumulated a lead of three points going into the home straight. How crucial was the ignored tackle on Peter Crowley? We will never know. How crucial was the substituting of the 1-4 man, Paul Geaney? We will never know. It was astonishing in any case. In the meantime, AO'M. Tadgh Morley, David Moran et al had a few dreadful misses, while back at the ranch Dublin had the composure, you bet, to kick those match winning points. I wonder is that the defining difference between Dublin and other contenders, the ability to kick long range points? We certainly struggled in that department yesterday. Too often, particularly in the second half we tried to bring it in too close and met a brick wall. We were also murdered on our kickouts. The fault of Brian Kelly or outfield players? Not sure. Of course Dublin did not make it easy for us in that sphere. That is what champions do. They make it difficult for you in every department.
So the glory belongs once more to Dublin. They deserved it.
There is sadness of course at the defeat but greater sadness at the thought that we may sever see, for instance, the likes of Colm, KD and Marc in Croke Park again. My tired old eyes well up at the thought. Warriors forever in the memory.
P.S. Memo to Dublin seniors and Kerry minors. The respective All-Irelands have not been secured yet.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 29, 2016 10:01:55 GMT
All the money in the world won't buy natural talent. Of course the money and the population pool must count for something but unlike Manchester City, Dublin can't buy in outside players.
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