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Post by onlykerry on May 24, 2016 14:33:40 GMT
On the same theme - Tipp with 8 appearances in Minor QF's have not reached a single senior QF. Remember the two provincial finalists make the QF at minor but the beaten provincial finalists at senior level face the death trap of a round 4 qualifier which they invariably lose. Offaly have 4 minor QF appearances and no senior. On the other side only Limerick and Wexford have made the senior QF's without having a minor team get that far. Conclusion is its difficult to get anywhere without some minor success but minor success does not guarantee anything more.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 24, 2016 14:35:05 GMT
We should be smart enough to realise that a successful minor "team" is, essentially, no good to you.
You can have 15 lads of similar (good) ability (but no superstars) and well-organised go on to win an AIMC because they play well as a team.
In theory none of them could make it through to senior.
You need individual players to progress from minor not teams.
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Post by seamus on May 24, 2016 14:43:30 GMT
We should be smart enough to realise that a successful minor "team" is, essentially, no good to you. You can have 15 lads of similar (good) ability (but no superstars) and well-organised go on to win an AIMC because they play well as a team. In theory none of them could make it through to senior. You need individual players to progress from minor not teams. Agree. Jack O'Connor had a huge part to play in both wins with few bluechip players last year in particular. Mark O'Connor and Andrew Barry were sublime both years. It is difficult to think of many others that have 'definite Kerry senior of the future' stamped on their foreheads. This year's minor team probably has more raw, individual talent.
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Post by kerrygold on May 24, 2016 14:50:12 GMT
Andrew Barry is that good? Future Kerry centre back?
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Post by seamus on May 24, 2016 15:03:42 GMT
I think so if he can bring a bit more physicality to his game. His brother Jack was the outstanding player on display in the county championship games I have seen to date also. He dominated Rathmore at the weekend. After a strong Sigerson campaign I am surprised he has not got a look in with the seniors.
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Post by kerrygold on May 24, 2016 15:11:09 GMT
Good stuff, looking forward to watching his game develop in time.
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Post by veteran on May 24, 2016 16:39:26 GMT
We should be smart enough to realise that a successful minor "team" is, essentially, no good to you. You can have 15 lads of similar (good) ability (but no superstars) and well-organised go on to win an AIMC because they play well as a team. In theory none of them could make it through to senior. You need individual players to progress from minor not teams. Agree. Jack O'Connor had a huge part to play in both wins with few bluechip players last year in particular. Mark O'Connor and Andrew Barry were sublime both years. It is difficult to think of many others that have 'definite Kerry senior of the future' stamped on their foreheads. This year's minor team probably has more raw, individual talent. I will be putting my pension on Jason Foley making the transition.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 24, 2016 16:41:18 GMT
I think Jason Foley has exceptional sports intelligence for his age, in ways reminding of Seamus Moynihan's hallmark in off the ball positioning, I just hope the Ballydonoghue's Jason wouldn't get in over his head too early, ah I'm miles from the action so all we can do is hope he gets to express himself properly. How would he compare to Fionn in terms of physicality I wonder, and not just size, I mean speed, strength, etc. He will meet bigger lads at the outset.
I don't se why the pope shouldn't get married but I'd stick with provincial Championships, they are the rock bed of Inter County as they espouse that competitive territorial spirit that other sports have surrendered in the name of money.
As regards minors graduating, while it is a bit the a mystery all that is important is that every player gets fair consideration and we have a great management team to do that. As I say time and again, the biggest problems facing the GAA are external, inequalities based on geography and vested interests, it is these that exploit the situation. We only just had a notorious bookmaker on here making threats to us because the etiquette of the forum prevented them from peddling their business to members, many of who come on here to get a break from all that auld nonsense. A while back I referred to a global report that concluded that the evolution of sport will bring it right back to 'amateur' at full circle. Funnily enough Cricket, Soccer and Rugby were showcased and all of those would be familiar to us, so in a way the GAA is ahead of them in a very precious way, and that was by standing still. I find that as I get older I appreciate this facet of Gaelic games. I can honestly say there is nothing like a provincial final, funny enough but it even has a kind of spirit you don't get in the AI final. I wouldn't be a hurler but Tipp v Cork in a MHC final in Thurles is up there with the best of 'em, nearly as good as us v Rebels in Killarney. Ulster Finals are also a mecca although then first game last year of Donegal v Tyrone was amazing, me as an outsider immersed in a bath of tension -never experienced anything like it, they take it so so serious, albeit in a tempered manner.
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Post by Mickmack on May 24, 2016 22:27:13 GMT
I think Jason Foley has exceptional sports intelligence for his age, in ways reminding of Seamus Moynihan's hallmark in off the ball positioning, I just hope the Ballydonoghue's Jason wouldn't get in over his head too early, ah I'm miles from the action so all we can do is hope he gets to express himself properly. How would he compare to Fionn in terms of physicality I wonder, and not just size, I mean speed, strength, etc. He will meet bigger lads at the outset. I don't se why the pope shouldn't get married but I'd stick with provincial Championships, they are the rock bed of Inter County as they espouse that competitive territorial spirit that other sports have surrendered in the name of money. As regards minors graduating, while it is a bit the a mystery all that is important is that every player gets fair consideration and we have a great management team to do that. As I say time and again, the biggest problems facing the GAA are external, inequalities based on geography and vested interests, it is these that exploit the situation. We only just had a notorious bookmaker on here making threats to us because the etiquette of the forum prevented them from peddling their business to members, many of who come on here to get a break from all that auld nonsense. A while back I referred to a global report that concluded that the evolution of sport will bring it right back to 'amateur' at full circle. Funnily enough Cricket, Soccer and Rugby were showcased and all of those would be familiar to us, so in a way the GAA is ahead of them in a very precious way, and that was by standing still. I find that as I get older I appreciate this facet of Gaelic games. I can honestly say there is nothing like a provincial final, funny enough but it even has a kind of spirit you don't get in the AI final. I wouldn't be a hurler but Tipp v Cork in a MHC final in Thurles is up there with the best of 'em, nearly as good as us v Rebels in Killarney. Ulster Finals are also a mecca although then first game last year of Donegal v Tyrone was amazing, me as an outsider immersed in a bath of tension -never experienced anything like it, they take it so so serious, albeit in a tempered manner. Club football and hurling is sport in its purest form for me.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 25, 2016 11:23:50 GMT
I think Jason Foley has exceptional sports intelligence for his age, in ways reminding of Seamus Moynihan's hallmark in off the ball positioning, I just hope the Ballydonoghue's Jason wouldn't get in over his head too early, ah I'm miles from the action so all we can do is hope he gets to express himself properly. How would he compare to Fionn in terms of physicality I wonder, and not just size, I mean speed, strength, etc. He will meet bigger lads at the outset. I don't se why the pope shouldn't get married but I'd stick with provincial Championships, they are the rock bed of Inter County as they espouse that competitive territorial spirit that other sports have surrendered in the name of money. As regards minors graduating, while it is a bit the a mystery all that is important is that every player gets fair consideration and we have a great management team to do that. As I say time and again, the biggest problems facing the GAA are external, inequalities based on geography and vested interests, it is these that exploit the situation. We only just had a notorious bookmaker on here making threats to us because the etiquette of the forum prevented them from peddling their business to members, many of who come on here to get a break from all that auld nonsense. A while back I referred to a global report that concluded that the evolution of sport will bring it right back to 'amateur' at full circle. Funnily enough Cricket, Soccer and Rugby were showcased and all of those would be familiar to us, so in a way the GAA is ahead of them in a very precious way, and that was by standing still. I find that as I get older I appreciate this facet of Gaelic games. I can honestly say there is nothing like a provincial final, funny enough but it even has a kind of spirit you don't get in the AI final. I wouldn't be a hurler but Tipp v Cork in a MHC final in Thurles is up there with the best of 'em, nearly as good as us v Rebels in Killarney. Ulster Finals are also a mecca although then first game last year of Donegal v Tyrone was amazing, me as an outsider immersed in a bath of tension -never experienced anything like it, they take it so so serious, albeit in a tempered manner. Club football and hurling is sport in its purest form for me. Agree with that and I had been thinking myself lately about the cycle of expansion and contraction in terms of sports seemingly becoming ever-expanding, which in the context of the GAA is their sports becoming ever more professional. It is my belief eventually if we hold steady the bubble of huge money & professionalism will fade/become undermined, disconnected. The big issue with that is, will the wealth of pro sports like rugby (a natural competitor for resources etc here with Gaelic football recently) also start to decrease so that GAA/amateur sports won't be losing out?
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Post by seamus on May 25, 2016 15:00:13 GMT
Veteran, Jason Foley came into my head as well. He has natural athleticism and is tailor made for the modern game.I was surprised he was struggling to get his place on the u21s this year.
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Post by kerrygold on May 25, 2016 15:57:13 GMT
Anyone care to take a stab at naming the Kerry 2020 championship side?
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Post by The16thMan on May 26, 2016 2:53:17 GMT
Anyone care to take a stab at naming the Kerry 2020 championship side? I'll take a shot anyways: 1) B.Kelly 2) B.Begley 3) J.Foley 4) S. Enright 5) P.Murphy 6) P. Crowley 7) M.Flaherty 8) M.O'Connor 9) J.Buckley 10) S.O'Brien 11) J.O'Donoghue 12) K.Spillane 13) J.Savage 14) P.Geaney 15) C.Geaney
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Post by kerryexile on May 26, 2016 8:11:18 GMT
A more intriguing question here is who are the 2 young fellas that the underage system did not pick up and who emerge as very good seniors.
Every successful Kerry team has one or two. Paul Murphy and to a lesser extent Brendan O’Sullivan are the current holders of that accolade.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 26, 2016 13:06:57 GMT
A more intriguing question here is who are the 2 young fellas that the underage system did not pick up and who emerge as very good seniors. Every successful Kerry team has one or two. Paul Murphy and to a lesser extent Brendan O’Sullivan are the current holders of that accolade. I wonder what percentage of senior players made it at minor level? Half? It's now makes a hero of Paul to say he was too small but there may have also been other factors that contributed to his non selection. Otherwise management got that one wrong and while that is always possible, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Rejection often makes a lad more determined and the various aspects of an individual develop in different ways and rates over time. Many experts contend that it suits some players to develop slower and that then finished product is more solid, that they make better seniors. Brendan is some prospect and we are all puzzled why he isn't getting more game time, he sure whets the appetite and I can see him banging in goals in an AI final like The Bomber in his hay day. He has such raw scope and his physicality is iconic in itself, the way he carries himself and his ball handling. He already has a fan club methinks and wouldn't you juts love to see him reach the very top of the game. As regards the 2020 team, just remember, God laughs when man plans, we have all seem people's lives turned upside down in a split second, such is life.
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Post by Mickmack on May 26, 2016 19:15:08 GMT
Anyone care to take a stab at naming the Kerry 2020 championship side? I'll take a shot anyways: 1) B.Kelly 2) B.Begley 3) J.Foley 4) S. Enright 5) P.Murphy 6) P. Crowley 7) M.Flaherty 8) M.O'Connor 9) J.Buckley 10) S.O'Brien 11) J.O'Donoghue 12) K.Spillane 13) J.Savage 14) P.Geaney 15) C.Geaney 1 Shane Ryan 2) B.Begley 3) J.Foley 4) S. Enright 5 Cormac Coffey 6) P. Crowley 7) M.Flaherty 8) M.O'Connor 9) Barry OSullivan 10) Paul Murphy 11) J.O'Donoghue 12) K.Spillane 13) J.Savage 14) P.Geaney 15) C.Geaney Barry OSullivan is every bit as good a prospect as Mark OConnor in my opinion.
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Post by kerrygold on May 26, 2016 19:24:26 GMT
I'll be surprised if Tom Sullivan doesn't make it, hopefully Alan Bary, as discussed during the week will come through also. Micheal Burns will be well up there in contention also.
Mark O'Connor is in a different league in my opinion, whilst I fully expect Barry O'Sullivan to become a hugely influential player for Kerry.
That full forward line lacks a bit of height possibly.
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Post by Premier on May 26, 2016 20:37:48 GMT
I'll take a shot anyways: 1) B.Kelly 2) B.Begley 3) J.Foley 4) S. Enright 5) P.Murphy 6) P. Crowley 7) M.Flaherty 8) M.O'Connor 9) J.Buckley 10) S.O'Brien 11) J.O'Donoghue 12) K.Spillane 13) J.Savage 14) P.Geaney 15) C.Geaney 1 Shane Ryan 2) B.Begley 3) J.Foley 4) S. Enright 5 Cormac Coffey 6) P. Crowley 7) M.Flaherty 8) M.O'Connor 9) Barry OSullivan 10) Paul Murphy 11) J.O'Donoghue 12) K.Spillane 13) J.Savage 14) P.Geaney 15) C.Geaney Barry OSullivan is every bit as good a prospect as Mark OConnor in my opinion. I know some people like to do this for the craic but this is pie in the sky stuff really. Who would have cited Paul Murphy 4 years ago
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Post by Mickmack on May 26, 2016 22:57:28 GMT
ah shur a bit of pie is no harm at any stage.
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2016 8:08:54 GMT
The exercise is no harm to anyone and is interesting, the challenge is to find the wild cards amongst the pie in the sky. Several of the listed players above will become Kerry household names.
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2016 8:14:06 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 27, 2016 15:07:18 GMT
There was a number of similar articles this week, all concluding that players are being squeezed, what with rising expectations, etc. I'd say the mental pressure on players is severe, let alone the financial situation. 200 hours commitment to strenuous training a month is pretty serious stuff and while they are strong individuals, they are getting it from all angles.
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2016 18:54:57 GMT
Brian Fenton never made the Dublin minor panels!
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Post by yourholiness on May 27, 2016 19:20:35 GMT
Brian Fenton never made the Dublin minor panels! Bernard Brogan played minor..............hurling !
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Post by abù on May 27, 2016 19:43:46 GMT
I hear paul galvin is moving to kilmacud crokes to play hurling.. When did he last play for his home club football or hurling?
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2016 9:35:25 GMT
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Post by inforthebreaks on May 29, 2016 21:44:55 GMT
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Post by jackiel on May 29, 2016 22:00:09 GMT
Bernard Senior is no stranger to the area, he lived in Ashbourne back in the 70's. Best of luck to them,the hotel in question was built by a developer at the height of the madness, tax relief was huge apparently which accounts for such a large hotel on the outskirts of the village. It is a pretty soulless place and needs a bit of TLC, Tayto Park patrons probably account for the bulk of the visitors especially in school holidays. You can be sure there'll be plenty of people straying from pubs in the village in the hope of catching sight of the lads.
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2016 22:20:43 GMT
Bernard Senior is no stranger to the area, he lived in Ashbourne back in the 70's. Best of luck to them,the hotel in question was built by a developer at the height of the madness, tax relief was huge apparently which accounts for such a large hotel on the outskirts of the village. It is a pretty soulless place and needs a bit of TLC, Tayto Park patrons probably account for the bulk of the visitors especially in school holidays. You can be sure there'll be plenty of people straying from pubs in the village in the hope of catching sight of the lads. Built by John McCabe. Its in a poor location and I dont know how anyone could make money out of it.
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Post by jackiel on May 29, 2016 22:54:27 GMT
correct Mick, didnt want to name him myself, It's an odd one really,since Tayto Park took off it's had a new lease of life but that means that locals who took out gym membership have to contend with hoards of visitors and dont get a fair shout in the pool particularly. Northern number plates are in the majority in the car park during school holidays as the exchange rate favours them. I occasionally attend meetings there but would never socialise there, no atmosphere. As a very long time resident of Ashbourne I personally don't see the need for 3 hotels in what is essentially a village.
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