NFL R7 - Kerry V Cork 3/Apr

[onlykerry]

Last round of the league down for decision next Sunday at 2pm in Austin Stacks Park when the rebels come to town. Mathematically still possible for Kerry not to make the Semi's but it would take a big defeat Sunday for this to happen.



Division 1

Pos. Team Pts.

1 Dublin  12 +27
2 Roscommon  8
+25
3 Kerry  8
+27
4 Donegal  6
+13
5 Cork  6
-11
6 Mayo  4
-12
7 Monaghan  4
-12
8 Down  0 -57

Final Round
Roscommon home to Dublin
Kerry home to Cork
Monaghan home to Donegal
Monaghan home to Down

[Mickmack]

Monaghan play Donegal
Mayo v Down
Dublin V Ros
Kerry v Cork

If Kerry want to play Dublin in the final on the 24th April, then they must avoid finishing in 4th spot.

The semi final is on the 10th April.

If Dublin, Cork and Donegal win their final game then Dublin will have 14 points and Ros, Kerry, Donegal and Cork will have 8 points. If that happens, how is it decided who finishes 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

I have this idea that head to head comes into play if more than two teams are on the same points but i am not sure.

[peanuts]

Head to head only comes to play when there are 2 teams on the same points. When it's more than 2 teams it's points difference. If Kerry and Roscommon both lose it's likely we will finish 2nd or 3rd unless we get hammered by Cork.

[MeathExile]

Thanks only Kerry . With 16 points difference between us and cork, they need to beat us by at least 8 to go through instead of us. If that happens - highly unlikely if we play as per last few outings - we still go through if Donegal can't beat Monaghan.

[gbbuei]

Mar 29, 2016 22:21:22 GMT MeathExile said:

Thanks only Kerry . With 16 points difference between us and cork, they need to beat us by at least 8 to go through instead of us. If that happens - highly unlikely if we play as per last few outings - we still go through if Donegal can't beat Monaghan.

Kerry are +27. Cork are -11 - their hammering by Ros has destroyed their score difference. So there is a 38 points difference between Kerry and Cork.

[kerrygold]

Mar 29, 2016 21:01:50 GMT peanuts said:

Head to head only comes to play when there are 2 teams on the same points. When it's more than 2 teams it's points difference. If Kerry and Roscommon both lose it's likely we will finish 2nd or 3rd unless we get hammered by Cork.

Hard to imagine anything other than a full blooded Kerry v Cork NFL game on Sunday.

[animal]

Mar 30, 2016 8:18:32 GMT kerrygold said:

Mar 29, 2016 21:01:50 GMT peanuts said:

Head to head only comes to play when there are 2 teams on the same points. When it's more than 2 teams it's points difference. If Kerry and Roscommon both lose it's likely we will finish 2nd or 3rd unless we get hammered by Cork.

Hard to imagine anything other than a full blooded Kerry v Cork NFL game on Sunday.

It's hard to know what kind of game we'll have. Cork have given us a couple of hosings in the last two years in the league only for us to have the upper-hand come Summer. What will their mentality be going into it knowing that in reality the game will have zero relevance come July. Do Cork think that Kerry have deliberately held back in this fixture? Personally I would much rather see Kerry continue winning and playing well. We have momentum and it would be a shame to lose it.

[kot]

Mar 30, 2016 8:42:33 GMT animal said:

Mar 30, 2016 8:18:32 GMT kerrygold said:

Hard to imagine anything other than a full blooded Kerry v Cork NFL game on Sunday.

It's hard to know what kind of game we'll have. Cork have given us a couple of hosings in the last two years in the league only for us to have the upper-hand come Summer. What will their mentality be going into it knowing that in reality the game will have zero relevance come July. Do Cork think that Kerry have deliberately held back in this fixture? Personally I would much rather see Kerry continue winning and playing well. We have momentum and it would be a shame to lose it.

I never think it has been a question of Kerry holding back maybe not having the strength of squad at their disposal. No doubt the players on the pitch wont want to be giving anything over to Cork.

[Mickmack]

Ah its a pity that the head to head doesnt take priority over points difference.

I would like to see Brendan starting. Its a different proposition starting a game to coming on when the game has opened up.

I hope Alan starts too.

Any word on Tommy Walshs recuperation

[keane]

He's not injured.

[Jigz84]

Mar 29, 2016 22:54:01 GMT gbbuei said:

Mar 29, 2016 22:21:22 GMT MeathExile said:

Thanks only Kerry . With 16 points difference between us and cork, they need to beat us by at least 8 to go through instead of us. If that happens - highly unlikely if we play as per last few outings - we still go through if Donegal can't beat Monaghan.

Kerry are +27. Cork are -11 - their hammering by Ros has destroyed their score difference. So there is a 38 points difference between Kerry and Cork.

Exactly right, it would take a 20 point win for Cork and a Donegal win to knock us out at this stage.

[leesider]

If Monaghan beat Donegal Cork will be relegated. Mayo will definitely beat Down so that means score difference comes into it because Cork, Mayo and Monaghan will all be level on points. If we draw or beat Kerry we are safe regardless of other results but that isn't going to happen.

[kot]

Mar 30, 2016 10:04:08 GMT leesider said:

If Monaghan beat Donegal Cork will be relegated. Mayo will definitely beat Down so that means score difference comes into it because Cork, Mayo and Monaghan will all be level on points. If we draw or beat Kerry we are safe regardless of other results but that isn't going to happen.

leesider... are you attempting to be a cute hoor on a site full of cute hoors?

[kerrygold]

www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0329/778103-allianz-football-league-final-day-permutations/

Kerry's scoring averages, for and against, are very healthy. Only Roscommon have scored more and only Dublin have conceded less than Kerry.

If Kerry win on Sunday it will propel their 2016 NFL campaign into Jack O'Connor league performance territory on 10 points where they won three All-Ireland Championships and NFL doubles.

Only the top two teams qualified for the NFL final during Jack's tenure.

[Ballyfireside]

Tralee IT should launch a PhD in GAA League Tables, such is the conundrum. And to make it ever worse, I predict a draw in Monaghan v Donegal and that was before seeing that auld Paddy Power agrees.

No less than a dozen games KO @ 2pm this Sunday and all 4 in Div 1 determine relegation/semi final places, i.e. even a chance Rossies could go down, or so a PhD candidate has figured out.

[inchperfect]

It would take a miracle akin to the miracle at Cana for us not to reach the semis. The real question is, will we finish 4th, and face Dublin, or 2nd/3rd, and face probably Roscommon. The players can make it simple for us- just go beat Cork and we won't have to worry about the mathematics.

[leesider]

Mar 30, 2016 11:07:35 GMT kot said:

Mar 30, 2016 10:04:08 GMT leesider said:

If Monaghan beat Donegal Cork will be relegated. Mayo will definitely beat Down so that means score difference comes into it because Cork, Mayo and Monaghan will all be level on points. If we draw or beat Kerry we are safe regardless of other results but that isn't going to happen.

leesider... are you attempting to be a cute hoor on a site full of cute hoors?

Not at all, no cute hoorism from me. I wouldn't fancy us at all to get even a draw on Sunday. We are totally reliant on Mayo and Donegal to save us.

[givehimaball]

Mar 30, 2016 11:56:01 GMT Ballyfireside said:

Tralee IT should launch a PhD in GAA League Tables, such is the conundrum. And to make it ever worse, I predict a draw in Monaghan v Donegal and that was before seeing that auld Paddy Power agrees.

No less than a dozen games KO @ 2pm this Sunday and all 4 in Div 1 determine relegation/semi final places, i.e. even a chance Rossies could go down, or so a PhD candidate has figured out.

Nope Rossies are 100% safe.

Donegal could go but would require a couple of high-margin victories to go against them with their scoring difference.

By far the likeliest to go down are Monaghan or Cork.

[Jigz84]

Mar 30, 2016 11:56:01 GMT Ballyfireside said:

Tralee IT should launch a PhD in GAA League Tables, such is the conundrum. And to make it ever worse, I predict a draw in Monaghan v Donegal and that was before seeing that auld Paddy Power agrees.

No less than a dozen games KO @ 2pm this Sunday and all 4 in Div 1 determine relegation/semi final places, i.e. even a chance Rossies could go down, or so a PhD candidate has figured out.

That candidate may want to revise his/her mathematical skills.

[givehimaball]

Mar 30, 2016 12:38:19 GMT inchperfect said:

It would take a miracle akin to the miracle at Cana for us not to reach the semis. The real question is, will we finish 4th, and face Dublin, or 2nd/3rd, and face probably Roscommon. The players can make it simple for us- just go beat Cork and we won't have to worry about the mathematics.

We are far far more likely to be playing Roscommon than Dublin given the way the table is in terms of the scoring differences at the moment.

[Deleted]

I would expect Cork and Kerry to go hard at each other. Kerry will want to keep winning ways going. It's hard to see any changes at this stage. I would expect him to give Moran and Donaghy another game together. I would expect him to keep the backs the same unless he wants to give Marc or Aidan a rest. You could see maybe Killian Young come in or John Lyne or Podge O'Connor. The forwards will probably stay the same although one change I would make would be Alan Fitzgerald for Stephen O'Brien. I think Alan Fitz is playing better right now. He will probably go back to Kealy in goals. I would like to see Brendan O'Sullivan get a chance but he might keep him in reserve. Paul Geaney and Barry John Keane will probably come off the bench. Interesting to see if Tommy Walsh Kieran O'Leary or Mikey Geaney comes back to the bench and if so who will be dropped.

[givehimaball]

Cork's results so far -

Cork 1-18 Mayo 0-12
Donegal 2-14 Cork 1-7
Cork 3-10 Roscommon 4-25
Dublin 2-14 Cork 2-10
Cork 1-20 Monaghan 1-13
Cork 0-12 Down 0-7

Consistently inconsistent - a 9 point win over Mayo followed by a 10 point loss to Donegal, followed by the concession of 4-25 (37) points to the Rossies, and then a 4 point loss to Dublin, a 7 point win over Monaghan and a 5 point win over Down.

[kerrygold]

Mar 30, 2016 16:30:45 GMT givehimaball said:

Cork's results so far -

Cork 1-18 Mayo 0-12
Donegal 2-14 Cork 1-7
Cork 3-10 Roscommon 4-25
Dublin 2-14 Cork 2-10
Cork 1-20 Monaghan 1-13
Cork 0-12 Down 0-7

Consistently inconsistent - a 9 point win over Mayo followed by a 10 point loss to Donegal, followed by the concession of 4-25 (37) points to the Rossies, and then a 4 point loss to Dublin, a 7 point win over Monaghan and a 5 point win over Down.

Absolutely no doubt that Cork won't raise their game for this one. It could be a really good game which Kerry should just about win judging from the current form of both teams. Kerry should also have beaten Roscommon in Killarney earlier in the league.

[keane]

I'm not sure how inconsistent they are if you just take out the Mayo game.

They were alright for a half against Dublin but got absolutely blown away when Dublin decided to wake up, destroyed by Donegal, destroyed by Roscommon. Monaghan are only fair so far this campaign so I wouldn't have a comfortable home win as a marvellous achievement while Down did better against them than they have done against anyone.

Their main entry in the credit column this year is Mayo who have been pretty bad themselves, am tempted to start thinking Cork might just be bad.

[kerrygold]

One would think Kerry have more going for them at the moment than Cork do and should win on Sunday.

[Deleted]

True kerry should have won that game. Shot some terrible wides. Definitely playing much better now. I have to admit I thought they would go down after that but they have put in a lot of work in training and are starting to get in shape now and I think going as far as they can in the league will help them in the summer. It has not done Dublin any harm in the past. I think overall the League has been a success. Mark Griffin has got more games Brian O Beaglaoich got some games. Podge O'Connor got a look. Brendan O'Sullivan looks a good find. Paul Murphy in the forwards. Alan Fitzgerald got valuable games. Philip O'Connor Denis Daly Aidan Walsh Tom O'Sullivan. Tommy Walsh Jack Sherwood Conor Cox had injuries but at least got some time. Pa Kilkenny and Brian Kelly got more time. I think he did a good job rotating and as well as winning was able to experiment with different players in different positions. Now if he can get two or three of these players to make an impression in the championship and Kerry go all the way it will be a great year.

[Mickmack]

How many of this Cork u21 team are now with the Cork seniors? They looked a serious outfit at u21. I know Walsh and Cahalane have chosen the caman.


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2010 Cadbury Munster Under 21 Football Final – Cork 2-24 Kerry 0-8


Thursday, April 07, 2011

LAST night’s Munster U21FC final in Páirc Uí Rinn was a clash that promised much but ultimately only Cork could savour the action that unfolded. The pre-match notions that this would be a tight and engaging contest were firmly shredded as Cork demolished a beleaguered Kerry outfit. It was a remarkable result as the Rebels claimed their fourth title in this grade in six years, with the margin of their victory simply staggering. At the final whistle Cork had a hefty cushion of 22 points to spare as they comfortably eclipsed the previous record win in this competition, which was set in 1982 when Cork defeated Kerry 2-12 to 0-4 in the decider.

On a beautiful night for football, 6,000 supporters filed through the turnstiles in anticipation of an absorbing encounter. Instead they got a game which Cork had wrapped up by the interval, when they held a stunning advantage of 2-13 to 0-3. The tone was set in a blistering opening 10-minute period as Cork posted 2-4 and only shipped a solitary James O’Donoghue in reply. The two goals were registered by inside men Barry O’Driscoll and Donal Óg Hodnett, who were in terrific form all through. Cork made a key positional change from their semi-final against Tipperary by putting the left-footed O’Driscoll at right corner-forward and stationing Hodnett as the target man at the edge of the square. The move paid handsome dividend as O’Driscoll notched 1-6 over the hour and Hodnett fired 1-4, with the Kerry defence unable to suppress their threat.

O’Driscoll raised the first green flag in the sixth minute when he slotted into the corner after a lung-bursting run from the back by his Nemo Rangers colleague Alan Cronin. Within 60 seconds Cork had the ball in the Kerry net again. Paul Honohan punted a clever pass forward to Hodnett who tore past Kerry full-back Mark Griffin and, after his first shot was blocked by netminder Brian Kelly, knocked home the rebound. Outside them, Ciaran Sheehan illustrated why he has been to the fore at a higher grade with a forceful and impressive performance at wing-forward, while alongside him the display of Mark Collins suggested it will not be long before he also makes the jump to senior level. Between them they contributed 10 points, with Sheehan making several powerful runs and Collins taking his frees with composure all night.

Kerry were left reeling by the power and pace exhibited by Cork. By the 34th minute they had already sprung four substitutes from the bench, with key players like centre-back Barry Shanahan and midfielder Edmund Walsh withdrawn. That was indicative of the problems John Kennedy’s men faced on the night. Barry John Walsh, consigned to a bench role at the outset due to a hamstring injury, was brought on as early as the 28th minute and showed flashes of menace. In the 37th minute, he fielded a high ball from James O’Donoghue, Kerry’s best and most inventive player on the night, before turning and slamming a shot against the bar.

As they tried to bridge such a huge deficit, Kerry desperately searched for goals but their pursuit was fruitless and that miss was a setback. To compound a miserable night for them, Paul Geaney dusted himself down in injury-time after being fouled only to see his penalty fly low past the upright. The ruthlessness that Cork displayed from the off ensured they would never be caught. Aidan Walsh produced a customary display of strength at midfield while Micheal Ó’Laoire complemented him brilliantly to ensure Cork were dominant in that sector. With O’Driscoll, Collins, Hodnett and Sheehan all on song up front, Cork had inserted serious daylight between the teams at the break as they enjoyed a massive 16-point advantage.

In the second half, Kerry produced a mini-revival as they strung together four points between the 36th and 42nd minutes to leave them trailing 2-15 to 0-7. However, Cork’s defence was magnificent and they never looked like conceding a deluge of scores. Liam Jennings and Damian Cahalane lead a disciplined and focused effort while half-back Jamie Wall thrived going forward as he claimed two points. Long before the finish Cork’s minds had drifted to an All-Ireland semi-final date with Galway on Saturday week but they kept racking up the scores in any case.

Hodnett showed his class with scores off right and left, Collins converted more frees and substitute Eoghan Buckley also got in on the act with a point to seal an excellent night’s work. There was a nice touch to the post-match proceedings as well. Winning captain Aidan Walsh in his victory speech dedicated the trophy to Rory O’Connor, a Cork panellist who died tragically in a road accident in early February.

Scorers for Cork: B O’Driscoll 1-6 (0-2 ‘45s, 0-1f); M Collins 0-7 (5f); D Óg Hodnett 1-4; C Sheehan 0-3; J Wall 0-2; M Ó’Laoire, E Buckley 0-1 each.

Scorers for Kerry: J O’Donoghue 0-3 (2f); P Geaney 0-2 (2f); D Casey, BJ Walsh, K Hurley 0-1 each.

CORK: S Mellet; L Jennings, D Cahalane, A Cronin; P Daly, T Clancy, J Wall; M O’Leary, A Walsh; C Sheehan, M Collins, J O’Rourke; B O’Driscoll, D Óg Hodnett P Honohan. Subs: D O’Donovan for Cronin (inj) (40), E Buckley for O’Driscoll (49), S Beston for Honohan (52), B Coughlan for Sheehan (54), D Nation for Walsh (55).

KERRY: B Kelly; P Crowley, M Griffin, D O’Leary; J Sherwood, B Shanahan, J Lyne; T Ladden, E Walsh; J O’Donoghue, BJ Keane, A Fitzgerald; S O’Brien, P Geaney, D Casey.

Subs: J Walsh for Lyne (blood) (15), Lyne for J Walsh (26), BJ Walsh for Fitzgerald (28), J Walsh for E Walsh (28), P Kilkenny for Shanahan (h-t), K Hurley for O’Brien (34), C Moriarty for Sherwood (51).

Referee: Derek O’Mahony (Tipperary)

[Deleted]

Clancy, Sheehan would be but he's in Austrailia. Collins, O'Rourke, O'Driscoll, Hodnett. Probably 5.
Kelly, Crowley, Griffin, Sherwood, Lyne, O'Donoghue, Keane, Fitzgerald, O'Brien, Geaney, and Kilkenny 11.
So twice as many for Kerry.

[fitz]

We're not creating real goal chances per game. I think we'll need to make some inroads here as it is a deficiency that will come against us when next we meet the Dubs. Lack of them put us under serious pressure in semi v Tyrone and thus in the final we had no real possible out when struggling on scoreboard in the final. We have a couple of heavy hit men due back soon and a much sharper looking Gooch, so hopefully improvements are on the way...

[lár na páirce]

I'd like to see this team named tonight,Probably the last chance to try one or two new things but a win in Tralee over Cork will be important

Brendan Kealy

Padraig O’Connor
Mark Griffin
Shane Enright
Peter Crowley
Killian Young
Fionn Fitzgerald

Kieran Donaghy
David Moran

Johnny Buckley
Paul Murphy
Donnchadh Walsh
Darran O’Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Alan Fitzgerald

16.Brian Kelly
17.Paul Geaney
18.Marc Ó Sé
19.Brendan O’Sullivan
20.Aidan O’Mahony
21.Mikey Geaney
22.Tommy Walsh
23.Stephen O’Brien
24.Barry John Keane
25.Jonathan Lyne
26.Jack Sherwood