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Post by donegalman on Sept 24, 2015 11:34:42 GMT
If this were put to Gavin, he would likely say 'I dont want to comment about something unless an official complaint were made', and if it were made, lets see what due process involves 'I dont want to prejudice any decision by comments'.
Not just him, but any inter county manager for that mater. Therefore, it is checkmate as far as I can see. A player like McM will not admit himself doing anything like this. His team mates wont sight him. Opposition team mates would have to be backed up by umpires, linesmen, or video evidence, who are so far away from the action that it is impossible to make out what has happened. That goes down to video evidence, and even the best tv camera in the land wont pick up on the incidents involving a ruck of players on the ground.
I am at a loss as to what the answer is, but you are right, it is down to players and to management to get the attitude correct for fair play. I cant see this happening either, as it is an established tactic it would seem at this stage, either that, or there is a massive amount of denial involved, or worse, an acknowledgement that this is a working tactic in winning games, so dont upset the apple cart.
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Post by clarinman on Sept 24, 2015 12:24:31 GMT
If this were put to Gavin, he would likely say 'I dont want to comment about something unless an official complaint were made', and if it were made, lets see what due process involves 'I dont want to prejudice any decision by comments'. Not just him, but any inter county manager for that mater. Therefore, it is checkmate as far as I can see. A player like McM will not admit himself doing anything like this. His team mates wont sight him. Opposition team mates would have to be backed up by umpires, linesmen, or video evidence, who are so far away from the action that it is impossible to make out what has happened. That goes down to video evidence, and even the best tv camera in the land wont pick up on the incidents involving a ruck of players on the ground. I am at a loss as to what the answer is, but you are right, it is down to players and to management to get the attitude correct for fair play. I cant see this happening either, as it is an established tactic it would seem at this stage, either that, or there is a massive amount of denial involved, or worse, an acknowledgement that this is a working tactic in winning games, so dont upset the apple cart. Rugby has no problem using video evidence to sanction players for eye gouging, stamping etc. The answer is to copy a disciplinary system that works. Rugby also has an appeal system where the ban is increased if the player loses an appeal. In GAA there is no disincentive to a player for lodging an appeal - lose the appeal and the ban stays the same. A rugby player caught on camera striking an opponent would not dream of appealing as it would lead to a lengthier ban.
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Post by donegalman on Sept 24, 2015 12:30:04 GMT
Good point Clarin, I didnt consider this. So it is down to attitude rather than anything else if this is the case, and it seems we have a particularly bad one within the GAA.
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Post by bedlamite on Sept 24, 2015 13:45:15 GMT
Gentlemen, Asking or expecting the management to stamp out unsporting play is pointless. The perogative of managers and players is to win, not to improve the spectacle or the morals of the team.( in Jim Gavin's defence, dropping McMahon from his panel, would reduce Dublins chances of winning.) Its the GAA that have to draw up the rules, enforce them properly to give the supporters and the general public, including players, a pitch in which unsporting and dangerous play is eradicated, and punishing offenders is the only way. Punishing so that it will reduce the offenders teams chances of winning. Only then will management and players realise that unsporting and dangerous play is counter productive towards winning and they will stamp it out.
We would all like to think that a good player can be just as if not more effective if he concentrated on playing the game fair, but cheating and unsporting or dangerous plays does give you an advantage. Opponents are sent off, injured, put off their game and so on, so it does swing things in your favour, once you are not punished. Philly McMahon would be a good player playing fair and hard, but Dublin factually benefit from his unsporting antics, so management put up with it.
Even Gavin stated when Diarmuid Connolly was allowed to play after being sent off for striking that that was the system, and they had as much right to the process as anyone else. And he is right. Its the GAA that is wrong.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 24, 2015 15:14:21 GMT
I disagree that these transgressions are good for the team in themselves.
Either a player's positive contributions heavily outweigh their negative contributions (someone like Connolly maybe) or else the player isn't as effective if they hold back too much (more like McMahon perhaps?).
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 24, 2015 15:37:26 GMT
It just occurred to me that Gooch's record in All-Ireland Finals is the same ratio as 2 other all-time greats, Mick O'Dwyer and Mick O'Connell:
O'Dwyer & O'Connell
Won: 1959, 1962, 1969, 1970 Lost: 1960, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1972
Cooper:
Won: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009 Lost: 2002, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2015
It's just an interesting one given that Kerry generally have won more than they have lost. Obviously 2014 would have balanced the scales for Gooch
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Post by veteran on Sept 24, 2015 16:12:39 GMT
I see where an Argentinian rugby player has been suspended for nine weeks for interfering with eye/area of eye of an opponent. Gaa please copy.
After the Kerry/Dublin NFL game , a feisty affair, Jim Gavin pointedly said that he was proud of the way his boys behaved themselves. I commented here that I felt it was outlandish comment. The inference being that the Kerry lads would not have reason to be proud of their behaviour.
On different dates, the same Dublin player is alleged to be involved in a biting incident, a head butting incident and an eye gouging incident.
Speak up Jim. Time for an apology or an apologia.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 24, 2015 16:16:41 GMT
One thing that irks me during Championship time is lads who are on the panel and never see gametime. Alan Fitzgerald did ok during the league but was never seen during the Championship.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 24, 2015 16:20:09 GMT
I see where an Argentinian rugby player has been suspended for nine weeks for interfering with eye/area of eye of an opponent. Gaa please copy. After the Kerry/Dublin NFL game , a feisty affair, Jim Gavin pointedly said that he was proud of the way his boys behaved themselves. I commented here that I felt it was outlandish comment. The inference being that the Kerry lads would not have reason to be proud of their behaviour. On different dates, the same Dublin player is alleged to be involved in a biting incident, a head butting incident and an eye gouging incident. Speak up Jim. Time for an apology or an apologia. You'll be waiting a long time for that apology. Managers will never publicly criticise their own players, regardless of their behaviour.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 24, 2015 16:46:35 GMT
What Philly McMahon did is one of the scummiest things I have ever seen. What needs to be proven? We are all looking at the same footage. It is pathetic your defence of him but not surprising. Fsh hooking and eye gouging are very different things in terms of the damage they can do. If you cannot see that, then there is no hope. There is no comparison between Philly McMahon and Donaghy as you suggest. Philly is a lot more than a pantomime villain. Biting, eye gouging, head butts, knees in the back, kicks in the face is Phillys rap sheet. Donaghy is not in the same ball park and it is difficult to think who else would be. Skybluezone, I have to take issue with your position in relation to Philly McMahon. Debating the deliberate gouging by Philly McMahon of Kieran Donaghy and resorting to 'whataboutery' shows complete disregard for what we all know is right and wrong. McMahon should be done for this very dangerous and unsporting behaviour, even if the referee did not spot it. ( it was impossible for the referee or umpires to spot it and McMahon knew this and this is why he did it. He has a warped sense of how to behave, as he seems to think its OK, as he tried to justify himself to Colm Cooper after the final whistle). The GAA should point what is expected of players and punish him and anybody else who behaves unsportingly and dangerously accordingly. The GAA need to put in a system where players can be brought to book after the game, such as the Rugby crowd do when 'citing' players after games. Costa from Chelsea was also punished retrospectively after his unsporting and provocative behavior over the weekend. And for the record, Kieran Donaghy or anyone else who sledges should be done, Tiernan McCann or Aidan O Mahony who feign injury should be done, time wasters like Cluxton and Barry John Keane should be done( by the referee when its in front of his nose. and anybody who abuses a referee like Paul Galvin did should be done. But the whole thing is a farce when nearly everything is appealled to the CCCCCCCCCCC and DRA etc and they are all left off on a technicality as if it were a murder trial. There are bringing the law into a place where it has no place. If you wanted the law in, Pillar Caffrey could have arrested Philly Larkin on Sunday , and Donaghy would have a good case to prove assault against McMahon. Look the bottomline is, Football needs to be governed properly to keep it sporting and safe. The GAA need to focus on this.[/b]
Agree that if Philly McMahon is proven guilty by due process he should be done, no issue with that, in fact I'll think you'll find my earlier post states this. What I was pointing out was that everyone in Kerry has found him guilty of gouging already. And seemingly Donegalman and Dermot too. So your all now experts on eye gouging, what it looks like, what the resultant damage is or isn't, would wearing gloves make it better or worse, all sorts. Grand, but let McMahon be subject to the same due procedure as everyone else, even if we all know it's not fit for purpose. I was being deliberately argumentative in pointing out Paul Galvin's track record, especially the fish hooking episode. I deliberately picked this incident as it is the closest incident that I could think of in relation to the one last Sunday. Post the fish hook incident, people here were at pains to point out issues like the fact that he was provoked, like they weren't sure it was an actual fish hook (it was hard to tell from the footage apparently:-), and basically fellas went out of their way to muddy the waters in favour of Galvin, naturally enough. Seemingly a fish hook is only in the hapenny place compared to a possible eye gouge! To me they are both deplorable. But the point is Galvin was accorded due procedure, and I cannot even remember if anything came of it. Mike Quirke seems to know for definite that it was an eye gouge, and he wasted no time in telling everyone that it was the nastiest think he'd ever seen on a pitch, fair enough. But Quirke nor anyone else writing columns is part of the GAA disciplinary process. So by all means McMahon has a case to answer, but let him answer it before hanging him. Your last point in relation to governance, do you think having high profile columnists in the media pointing out ways to get players sent off is ok, and sends the right message? Is it ok to have analysts basically saying the best way to beat Dublin is to feign injury. In the next breath they are bemoaning the diving and messing going on in games. In the rush to condemn Philly, Connolly also got a mention on here as a thuggish type, but it's open season on him anyway. Posters are aggrieved apparently that Dublin worked the system to ensure his availability for the semi replay. Jesus one lad earlier wanted him banned for the final as well! It's not too long ago that Darragh O'Se got sent off in a club game in Kerry which would have ruled him out of a pending inter county championship game. Kerry GAA weren't behind the door in figuring out ways to ensure Darragh's availability. And I seriously doubt if this site was alive and well at the time that you would have all been killed protesting that this wasnt within the spirit of the game. The disciplinary system is a mess, a total mess. I know for certain that Dublin knew they would lose the first two appeals, but they had to go through them anyway in relation to Connolly, to get themselves in front of the DRA. That tells you everything. So to summarise, a fish hook is not as serious as an eye gouge, and McMahon definitely did it cos he's a tramp anyway, so is Connolly. It's terrible to manipulate the laws and spirit of the GAA, but when Kerry do it we'll all look away. Donaghy is a hero cos he pushes and trips lads who are not taking free kicks quickly enough for his liking. The whole disciplinary procedure is fooked but when the high profile analysts are telling us how best to stop Dublin it boils down to annoying Connolly enough so that he gets himself sent off, and also feign injury just after the first goal they score, cos they are lethal at racking up a big score at that stage. Oh I forgot the bit about kicking the ball off the tee just before Cluxton takes his kickouts (See BJ Keane and Kevin McLoughlin), jaysus and theres me thinking you wanted to hurry him up!
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Post by stevieq on Sept 24, 2015 17:07:14 GMT
Is it in Iceland or some such place that they have 50 ways to say snow?? I think that we have found 50 ways to say we didn't show up!!
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Post by yourholiness on Sept 24, 2015 17:12:09 GMT
And herein lies the problem . We are all so partisan that we righteously demand swift and unequivocal justice where our rivals are concerned and adopt a "nothing to see here " stance when it's one of our own. If McMahon is found to have gouged the eye of donaghy he should be punished . For that and for that alone . Not because Colm O Rourke doesn't like his provocative hairstyle . Not because he is not an altar boy. Purely on the basis that he transgressed in this instance . All the hyperbolic grandstanding demeans us all because we know each counties form when it's one of there own.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 24, 2015 17:13:20 GMT
One thing that irks me during Championship time is lads who are on the panel and never see gametime. Alan Fitzgerald did ok during the league but was never seen during the Championship. As strange comment...
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2015 17:14:02 GMT
Finger in the mouth in self defence is polls apart from an unprovoked defenceless alleged eye gouging incident while pinned to the ground, irrespective of whether Paul Galvin is Mother Theresa or the devil in the eye of the beholder, pardon the pun.
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Post by stevieq on Sept 24, 2015 17:17:16 GMT
Re Philly McMahon. I don't think that a "Kerry Philly" would be tolerated by either management or supporters. I for one wouldn't be shouting for him. Ok, we've had our share of hard asses but I think it was all done in a manly type of way. Head butting, eye gouging, feigning injury etc Not the Kerry way and so seldom seen that when it if happens if ever, it's talked about for years ala O'Mahony's acting (hilarious) and Galvin's fish hook (self defence). By the way - appealing decisions wouldn't be the Kerry way either.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2015 17:28:28 GMT
Philly is going about brand image enhancing of his FitFood brand in a strange way.................by not giving a s.hite, charming.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 24, 2015 17:45:33 GMT
I don't think we can defend some of Galvin's earlier incidents sorry. The ref's notebook and the fishhook were beyond the Pale.
However Galvin served his time and that is a difference.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 24, 2015 18:02:18 GMT
One thing that irks me during Championship time is lads who are on the panel and never see gametime. Alan Fitzgerald did ok during the league but was never seen during the Championship. As strange comment... Why strange? I thought he showed enough during the league to be considered an option off the bench.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 24, 2015 18:17:41 GMT
Why strange? I thought he showed enough during the league to be considered an option off the bench. He was up against tough opposition. The Tipp and Kildare games were probably his best hope.
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Post by ddtinexile on Sept 24, 2015 18:52:14 GMT
Had a look at Monday's Tuesday's and Wednesday's Irish Examiners today, John Fogarty has an article entitled" what happens on the pitch".
He makes reference to McMahons interview on morning Ireland where the player says what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch.
I produce Fogartys last 2 paragraphs .
It is a remark consistent with the unsettling culture ot omertà that has surrounded this excellent Dublin team. McMahons "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch" seemed to be a dig at Aidan o Shea who claimed McMahon head butted in the semi final.
After the biting allegations made against two Dublin players not to mention the violent fracas prior to the Armagh challenge game, it's understandable that McMahon would like to keep things quiet but thankfully he can't have it his own way. Likely, just as he is deserving, to be named one of three Dublin players shortlisted for player of the year,if the Gaa disciplinary authorities don't consider what he did on Sunday it might be left to his peers , who pick the standout player of the season, to cast a verdict.
So there.
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Post by mafi97 on Sept 24, 2015 19:01:08 GMT
I was at a "thing" last night, which was attended by mainly good Dub football stock, most of whom have put their shoulder to the wheel for both club and county, over many years.
Naturally, I took a fair bit of punishment over the night. But good fun and serious evaluation of the game by knowledgeable observers of the game.
All aspects of the game were threshed out - but, over the whole night, McMahon's name was not mentioned once.
It was a clear example of the dog that didn't bark.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2015 19:17:14 GMT
I don't think we can defend some of Galvin's earlier incidents sorry. The ref's notebook and the fishhook were beyond the Pale. However Galvin served his time and that is a difference. No, the difference is that Paul was hunted.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2015 19:21:42 GMT
Well fekkit anyway. The most enjoyable minutes I've ever had in Croke Park came as the drawn Dublin/Mayo match moved to it's denouement. Accompanied by two experienced Dub fans, I was able to sit back and tell them how great their team was, while I secretly hoped that they would stick in another goal in before the end. Another goal, at that time, would have really set them up for the plucking. Enjoyable, because I KNEW we were going to win the Final. Not only that, but it was going to be the most relaxed and enjoyable run in to a Final. It was perfect - Dubs winning fairly handy, but with none of their problems solved or weaknesses exposed. MacAuley came on and he was at about the same pitch as he was in the Fermanagh game. Flynn had improved a bit but was still a pale shadow of the player he has been. If you were seeing Connolly for the first time, you would have thought that he had potential for the future - but that would be about the size of it. Cluxton was riding into another Final without showing any chink in his armour. Cut to the replay. I expected Dublin to win by handily by a couple of goals. To this day, I can not understand how they found themselves four points down. Not taking from Dublin's point scoring in the first half, but IMO the Mayo defending was woeful. Just take Keith Higgins (and I am a big fan). In his efforts to be all things to all men, he was completely unfocused on his main job. Compare his focus last year when pitted against James O'D. Total focus. That was not there in either draw or replay. It was obvious from the outset that Donal Vaughan should not have been even togged out. Ger Cafferkey is a very nice footballer - and, therein, lies the problem. Although it was not until the second half that he showed the full extent of his niceness. That is half their back line not closing down on their men. And still, they found themselves four points up!!!!!!! They could not figure out what they wanted to do about Cluxton - allowed Dublin the luxury of restarting at their leisure. None of their forwards look like a player that knew he was in the groove. They all worked hard etc., but there was no discernible game plan. And still, they found themselves four points up!!!!!!!! MacAuley came on and fluffed the first three balls. I sat back - and, internally, I purred. Fourth ball and MacAuley started to purr. He will never be elegant but he started to moving smoothly. Without an ounce of football skill, when he starts horsing forward he presents major problems for any back line. And he has lost none of his ability to throw the ball. All refs now seem to have signed up to a Total Tolerance Agreement about MacAuley's disdain for the necessity to even pretend to actually handpass the ball. (Maybe, he doesn't agree with the proliferation of the handpass!!!!!). Be that as it may, he singularly is responsible for major leakage of the warm certitude I had about the Final. So now, I am totally confused. One minute, I feel that Dublin actually beat nothing. One part of me feels that the commentariat wanted to be "nice" to Mayo and did not want to dance on their grave. I feel that Mayo were pretty poor (both days) both on and off the pitch. If Dublin hadn't lost all their midfield players in the drawn game, Dublin would definitely have won and Mayo would have been seen as pretty poor. Mayo did not really improve the second day - and still, they were four points up!!!!. I feel that Tyrone would have beaten that Mayo team. Actually, what I really mean is that Mayo would not have beaten that Tyrone team - which is a slightly different thing. No question - but the second day out will have brought Dublin on immeasurably. Even if it was only for the improvement in MacAuley's game. Also, Cluxton's freak out was a wake up call, which will have them on full alert in the Final. Secretly, I felt that Cluxton is so used to be in control and not under pressure, that he could have been there for the plucking in the Final. My personal theory about Cluxton is that he moves from total control to out of control - without any stops at any stations in between. So I remain completely confused about our chances. Counting replays, this is my 36th time going through this experience with Kerry. In fairness, there was no tension, only excitement for the first two as we waited to "watch it in on the wireless". But for the other 34 it has been tension all the way. And so it is again. To mangle somebody's quotation, prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. Having taken account of all the permutations, factoring in the weather forecast, weighing the possibility of EF playing a wild card and realising that each game is a new ballgame - I find that the only person with whom I am in complete accord is Manuel from Fawlty Towers - "I KNOW nothing, I know NOTHING". PS. That is not completely true. I do know something. I know that if Dublin win, it will be a "Classic". Has to be post of the All-Ireland final thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 19:47:33 GMT
Skybluezone, I have to take issue with your position in relation to Philly McMahon. Debating the deliberate gouging by Philly McMahon of Kieran Donaghy and resorting to 'whataboutery' shows complete disregard for what we all know is right and wrong. McMahon should be done for this very dangerous and unsporting behaviour, even if the referee did not spot it. ( it was impossible for the referee or umpires to spot it and McMahon knew this and this is why he did it. He has a warped sense of how to behave, as he seems to think its OK, as he tried to justify himself to Colm Cooper after the final whistle). The GAA should point what is expected of players and punish him and anybody else who behaves unsportingly and dangerously accordingly. The GAA need to put in a system where players can be brought to book after the game, such as the Rugby crowd do when 'citing' players after games. Costa from Chelsea was also punished retrospectively after his unsporting and provocative behavior over the weekend. And for the record, Kieran Donaghy or anyone else who sledges should be done, Tiernan McCann or Aidan O Mahony who feign injury should be done, time wasters like Cluxton and Barry John Keane should be done( by the referee when its in front of his nose. and anybody who abuses a referee like Paul Galvin did should be done. But the whole thing is a farce when nearly everything is appealled to the CCCCCCCCCCC and DRA etc and they are all left off on a technicality as if it were a murder trial. There are bringing the law into a place where it has no place. If you wanted the law in, Pillar Caffrey could have arrested Philly Larkin on Sunday , and Donaghy would have a good case to prove assault against McMahon. Look the bottomline is, Football needs to be governed properly to keep it sporting and safe. The GAA need to focus on this.[/b]
Agree that if Philly McMahon is proven guilty by due process he should be done, no issue with that, in fact I'll think you'll find my earlier post states this. What I was pointing out was that everyone in Kerry has found him guilty of gouging already. And seemingly Donegalman and Dermot too. So your all now experts on eye gouging, what it looks like, what the resultant damage is or isn't, would wearing gloves make it better or worse, all sorts. Grand, but let McMahon be subject to the same due procedure as everyone else, even if we all know it's not fit for purpose. I was being deliberately argumentative in pointing out Paul Galvin's track record, especially the fish hooking episode. I deliberately picked this incident as it is the closest incident that I could think of in relation to the one last Sunday. Post the fish hook incident, people here were at pains to point out issues like the fact that he was provoked, like they weren't sure it was an actual fish hook (it was hard to tell from the footage apparently:-), and basically fellas went out of their way to muddy the waters in favour of Galvin, naturally enough. Seemingly a fish hook is only in the hapenny place compared to a possible eye gouge! To me they are both deplorable. But the point is Galvin was accorded due procedure, and I cannot even remember if anything came of it. Mike Quirke seems to know for definite that it was an eye gouge, and he wasted no time in telling everyone that it was the nastiest think he'd ever seen on a pitch, fair enough. But Quirke nor anyone else writing columns is part of the GAA disciplinary process. So by all means McMahon has a case to answer, but let him answer it before hanging him. Your last point in relation to governance, do you think having high profile columnists in the media pointing out ways to get players sent off is ok, and sends the right message? Is it ok to have analysts basically saying the best way to beat Dublin is to feign injury. In the next breath they are bemoaning the diving and messing going on in games. In the rush to condemn Philly, Connolly also got a mention on here as a thuggish type, but it's open season on him anyway. Posters are aggrieved apparently that Dublin worked the system to ensure his availability for the semi replay. Jesus one lad earlier wanted him banned for the final as well! It's not too long ago that Darragh O'Se got sent off in a club game in Kerry which would have ruled him out of a pending inter county championship game. Kerry GAA weren't behind the door in figuring out ways to ensure Darragh's availability. And I seriously doubt if this site was alive and well at the time that you would have all been killed protesting that this wasnt within the spirit of the game. The disciplinary system is a mess, a total mess. I know for certain that Dublin knew they would lose the first two appeals, but they had to go through them anyway in relation to Connolly, to get themselves in front of the DRA. That tells you everything. So to summarise, a fish hook is not as serious as an eye gouge, and McMahon definitely did it cos he's a tramp anyway, so is Connolly. It's terrible to manipulate the laws and spirit of the GAA, but when Kerry do it we'll all look away. Donaghy is a hero cos he pushes and trips lads who are not taking free kicks quickly enough for his liking. The whole disciplinary procedure is fooked but when the high profile analysts are telling us how best to stop Dublin it boils down to annoying Connolly enough so that he gets himself sent off, and also feign injury just after the first goal they score, cos they are lethal at racking up a big score at that stage. Oh I forgot the bit about kicking the ball off the tee just before Cluxton takes his kickouts (See BJ Keane and Kevin McLoughlin), jaysus and theres me thinking you wanted to hurry him up! Very strange post. In terms of process, we all saw what happened, regardless of what the penalty is, it won't change my mind on what Philly was doing and I would say that goes for all reasonable people. Donaghy was on the ground when Philly gouged him, so not sure what the provocation was here. Galvin was stupid for the fish hook and got punished. Most Kerry people's issue at the time was due to the selective nature of the justice eg Derek kavanagh choking gooch got no attention. The point about teams slowing down play by feigning injury is not a new one. The northern teams were adept at this so not sure why the persecution complex. Kerry have been accused of similar before. It is gas how upset you get with Donaghy, he is mouthy and he pushed cluxtons, I don't approve of either but in the bigger picture it is irrelevant compared to what Philly did
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 19:59:27 GMT
Also simple question. Do you think Philly eye gouged Donaghy? Yes or no
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Post by stevieq on Sept 24, 2015 20:18:59 GMT
I don't think we can defend some of Galvin's earlier incidents sorry. The ref's notebook and the fishhook were beyond the Pale. However Galvin served his time and that is a difference. I wouldn't be defending him now. However, that Cadogan saga was on on-going pantomime between two very capable "villains",and there is a huge difference between what Galvin did to a fella roaring and shouting abuse to him 2" from his face to the thuggish behaviour of the McMahon the last day and other days. Galvin paid the ultimate and harshest price for the lines he crossed. McMahon is jumping over the line and giving everyone the finger from the other side!!
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Post by southward on Sept 24, 2015 20:22:56 GMT
Donaghy's push on Cluxton was by way of saying "hurry up to f*ck" and born of understandable frustration. Cluxton's reaction was laughable - took several steps forward with a fake stumble, then made a ludicrous slide on his knees like a Premiership striker after a goal, all to waste more time and/or perhaps get Donaghy booked. One of several occasions when Cluxton should have been carded for timewasting.
OK, Kieran should have left him alone, but if Coldrick had been doing his job, he would have.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 24, 2015 20:27:22 GMT
Donaghy's push on Cluxton was by way of saying "hurry up to f*ck" and born of understandable frustration. Cluxton's reaction was laughable - took several steps forward with a fake stumble, then made a ludicrous slide on his knees like a Premiership striker after a goal, all to waste more time and/or perhaps get Donaghy booked. One of several occasions when Cluxton should have been carded for timewasting. OK, Kieran should have left him alone, but if Coldrick had been doing his job, he might have. Has anyone put the clock on the amount of time wasted by Cluxton last Sunday? It has been suggested as long as 10 minutes in total. Strange Coldrick didn't call him to task about the slow start from one or two of the kick-outs. I remember a hop ball against Kealy in a Munster final for something similar.
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Post by kerryman22 on Sept 24, 2015 20:34:35 GMT
Donaghy's push on Cluxton was by way of saying "hurry up to f*ck" and born of understandable frustration. Cluxton's reaction was laughable - took several steps forward with a fake stumble, then made a ludicrous slide on his knees like a Premiership striker after a goal, all to waste more time and/or perhaps get Donaghy booked. One of several occasions when Cluxton should have been carded for timewasting. OK, Kieran should have left him alone, but if Coldrick had been doing his job, he might have. Has anyone put the clock on the amount of time wasted by Cluxton last Sunday? It has been suggested as long as 10 minutes in total. Strange Coldrick didn't call him to task about the slow start from one or two of the kick-outs. I remember a hop ball against Kealy in a Munster final for something similar. I timed a few, ranged from 50 seconds to 1 min 20 secs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 20:37:53 GMT
Wasting time is part of the game and I would not blame cluxton. It is for the referee to deal with. Donaghy push was self defeating as it just caused cluxton to slow down even more.
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