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Post by donegalman on Aug 14, 2015 12:32:12 GMT
I agree Dermot that Kerry are a different animal, but Monaghan are poor. They were poor in the ulster final, they played like a losing team for must of the 2nd half still won it. If I were to profile how good Tyrone are, I would have to look at the meath game, and it is a match I didnt see. Apparently, Tipp were clueless tactically, so its hard to judge tyrone v either them, sligo or limerick. In fairness, they have been blessed with a handy run in to the semis, and that should ensure the players are all fit and ready. And how they will need to be!!
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Post by beantownfan on Aug 14, 2015 12:36:04 GMT
Geaney is a huge loss, particularly for the rough and tumble of a game like the Tyrone one... It reduces our options a good bit, he is very 'galivanisque' in his work rate and dogged approach. I'm pretty sure if fit he'd have seen a lot of game time v Tyrone. So I think we can count out Donoghue and Geaney for the semi!
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Post by jackiel on Aug 14, 2015 13:19:38 GMT
Lads what are your thoughts on James - I was very sceptical about the way it was made light of in the early days. If it hadn't been serious surely he'd have been back out sitting in the subs bench in the second half. I'd hate to think he'd come back too soon and end up in a worse situation. This is bound to be a physical match and needless to say any opposition is going to want to capitalise on his "Achilles heel".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 13:22:38 GMT
Not a whole pile of talk about the game here (Edit: Seems to be a bit now!), but I'm sure this won't be the case with the management and team! Kerry must ensure that Tyrone don't take an early lead because they will be very tough to crack if that happens. If we can keep a couple of points ahead of them then I'm sure gaps will appear as they try to push forward. Tyrone will see our midfield as our main platform and will undoubtedly target that area. They will also flood the space between their own 45 and the FF line. Patience will be the key and I think we have that in spades. I've no doubt Eamon will have a few surprises up his sleeve that he has been holding back. Whether he will need to use them for Tyrone remains to be seen. I'm in two minds about Donaghy starting. We seem to play smarter football when he's not inside. However there is no doubt that him in FF with Gooch and either Geaney or JO'D on either side would give Tyrone a lot of problems. Sheehan is another cunundrum. He is worth his weight in gold from placed balls and in a tight game he is essential, however I would be concerned about him drifting out of games for long periods. At this stage of the competition we can have no passengers and particularly against a counter attacking team like Tyrone. But our hand may be forced with Mikey Geaney out. Unless he plays Donaghy inside with Gooch on the forty. Darren is another option on the wing but I think he's impact from the bench could be crucial in the second half. Was worried about midfield options from the bench but Tommy Walsh is now a serious ball winning option if Maher or Moran have to be called ashore (injury, tiredness, discipline). My team: Kealy Marc, Aidan, Enright Murphy, Young, Lyne Maher, Moran O'Brien, Sheehan, Walsh JO'D, Gooch, Geaney Crowley could come in at CB when needed Darren in for the last 20/25 mins BJK in for JO'D if he isn't fit Galvin in for the dirty ball in the second half I completely agree about Kerry playing smarter football when Donaghy is absent, this coupled with him not when as much clean ball as he did in years gone by should mean that he starts this one on the bench. If ball is kicked in long and is only breaking the Tyrone defence will have an easy day at the office given their mass numbers in that area. I am not fully convinced that this is the game for O'Brien. The reason I say this is because of his performances against Cork where he got frustrated. Croke park was the perfect place for him against Kildare with its wide open spaces, however these don't exist when Tyrone play there. If he runs at their defence like he did against the Cork he will be swallowed up and his handling often lets him down in tight corners. Him getting frustrated as he is prone to could lead to cards... However who to play in stead leaves me at a loss...
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Post by animal on Aug 14, 2015 13:33:31 GMT
I agree Dermot that Kerry are a different animal, but Monaghan are poor. They were poor in the ulster final, they played like a losing team for must of the 2nd half still won it. If I were to profile how good Tyrone are, I would have to look at the meath game, and it is a match I didnt see. Apparently, Tipp were clueless tactically, so its hard to judge tyrone v either them, sligo or limerick. In fairness, they have been blessed with a handy run in to the semis, and that should ensure the players are all fit and ready. And how they will need to be!! I agree with you about Monaghan in the 2nd half of the Ulster Final. They were very lucky to come away that day with the win. Donegal kicked awful wides - not all under pressure. I thought the plaudits they and their manager received were a bit over the top. Having said that I thought they would have enough to overcome Tyrone. Tyrone nullified McManus to a large extent. The scores Monaghan got on Saturday in the 1st half were reminiscent of Dublin against Donegal last year. Spectacular points from far out but only because they had no other option. They were not getting into the "D" at all. So while Kerry have the players that can also score from out the field it has been shown by Monaghan and Dublin last year that you can't sustain a challenge on long range points alone.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 14, 2015 13:38:47 GMT
When is Mc Cann's appeal scheduled for?
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Post by Dermot on Aug 14, 2015 13:44:50 GMT
I agree Dermot that Kerry are a different animal, but Monaghan are poor. They were poor in the ulster final, they played like a losing team for must of the 2nd half still won it. If I were to profile how good Tyrone are, I would have to look at the meath game, and it is a match I didnt see. Apparently, Tipp were clueless tactically, so its hard to judge tyrone v either them, sligo or limerick. In fairness, they have been blessed with a handy run in to the semis, and that should ensure the players are all fit and ready. And how they will need to be!! Yep, thats basically what i was saying .. Monaghan are no world beaters and Donegal should have taken them in the Ulster final .. just had a bad day with the boots.. Its hard to know how much we've progressed but it looked a lot better from what we were seeing the last few years anyway, no matter the opposition.. As I said, not enough to beat Kerry but its an upward curve for us so it bodes well for the future (I hope!!)
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Post by Dermot on Aug 14, 2015 15:01:09 GMT
When is Mc Cann's appeal scheduled for? No idea, prob this weekend sometime
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Post by fitz on Aug 14, 2015 16:31:36 GMT
That's really bad for Mikey and wish him a speedy recovery. He certainly is an aggressive hard working player with a great attitude on the pitch. Definitely would have been a good engine room option in the half forwards, with that bit of fire in him too.
When I read first "Geaney" - I thought it was Paul, which no disrespect meant to Mikey I feel would have been a bigger loss, given the position he holds and his strength in the air.
Anyway, Tyrone have injuries, we have injuries - we drive on!
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Post by fitz on Aug 14, 2015 16:46:50 GMT
Shane "Terminator" :)Enright's on a mission this year. Since Aidan and Murphy have come back in the unit has tightened up nicely. Enright is unrecognizable from the hesitant/distracted and error ridden player he was back in 2013. His 1:1 on Hurley in both games this year, to destroy a forward of Hurley's ability, to equally shatter same's confidence sufficiently to have him dropped from the team thereafter - as good as any defending that will be seen this year.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 14, 2015 17:08:47 GMT
I suppose one Harte tactic will be to try and wear down our veterans, drain them.
'The Harte system' normally gets 10% more out of a team so would that be enough? The thing is Éamonn has now raised the bar in Kerry and he gets at least that extra; with respect I think we are working off a higher base these days but anything can happen.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 14, 2015 18:20:30 GMT
That's really bad for Mikey and wish him a speedy recovery. He certainly is an aggressive hard working player with a great attitude on the pitch. Definitely would have been a good engine room option in the half forwards, with that bit of fire in him too. When I read first "Geaney" - I thought it was Paul, which no disrespect meant to Mikey I feel would have been a bigger loss, given the position he holds and his strength in the air. Anyway, Tyrone have injuries, we have injuries - we drive on! Yep, Paul Geaney would've been a bigger loss for sure.. Not nice to see anyone injured though .. Must be horrible to put in all that work and be cut down at the business end of the season!
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Post by seamo on Aug 14, 2015 20:51:21 GMT
Your final question I have answered already. Not selective at all, I read the whole article, for a manager who advocates such a physical and intense game-plan (not a criticism) it's ridiculous for him to then take issue with with one of his players having his hair ruffled.Michael Murphy got punched in the face and simply put his hands out as if to say wtf, no rolling around on the ground. Worse is done to Star, JOD, Brogan, McCurry etc. everygame and they don't roll around on the ground looking to get a guy sent off. Complete BS by Harte. "Darren Hughes himself said in the papers today, he wasnt completely innocent either" <<Who's being selective now I've read the article, he admitted to nothing other than he was part of it obviously. It's also clear that he doesn't want to rock the boat any further on it and therefore he gave a very politically correct interview. Anyway's it's done now. The response from Harte and Tyrone suggests nobody has learn't anything from this and we're likely to see more of this sort of stuff...from Tyrone AND OTHERS in the future. Michael Murphy, who had clearly provoked the Mayo player, then spent a significant effort in 'encouraging' the umpire to make a response to the slap. Although his actions were much more subtle they were in fact in the same ballpark as McCann. In this sense I'm with Dermot here, despite our dispute over what Whelan may have done etc (still haven't seen the evidence Dermo?!) in that cheating and other skulduggery has been allowed go on in gah forever, you can't suddenly blame it all on one county, which to some extent is the inference of the reaction this week. And yes, some of that is to do with the whole Brolly campaign of 2013 and so on. However it is also normal for people to react to both the latest 'event' and something that is more blatant perhaps than anything seen before on live tv. But the point remains, the GAC need to deal with the culture of both violence and general skulduggery in the game, which has been allowed to fester for so long, and most of it gets waved away with a nod, a wink, and mutterings of "it's a man's game", and "so and so team would want to man up" etc. (the sort of thing my own team were hearing either directly or alluded to by the likes of Brolly back when he was very much 'Tyrone's man' in the media.) And as others have said, Monaghan were guilty of several transgressions and various 'activities' themselves. As have many teams/players been all down the years, long before 2003. By the way Dermot, my reference to Colm Cavanagh was more to do with previous 'going to ground easily', not the incident in this particular game. You changed your point of attack, as is your wont. My point remains, despite what I've said in this post, you can't compare a player 'going down too easy' with a blatant dive and play-acting to con the ref into a red card. It's part of the same issue yes but you can't just make it disappear into a muddy water of confustication over all manner of things. These other things are ALWAYS an issue that need addressing but what McCann did is on another level. And in reference to the last few minutes of the 2013 final, as I said, what was done was wrong (as was McQuillan's constant giving of frees for virtually nothing to Mayo, and giving no frees for virtually anything to us) but it does not compare to some of the antics of Conor Gormley for example, deliberately trying to harm and get other players carded/sent off etc. I'll stand by that. Regards the proposed suspension, really really stupid stuff by the CCCC. They are losing any shreds of credibility now. And finally, I don't buy all this "honesty" and "fairness" by the large Kerry media machine about Tyrone. They are damned if they do or don't but I wonder what they would be saying if their team weren't about to play against Tyrone? Clearly in all the multitude of articles by ex-Kerry greats there are warnings to their team about how Tyrone will use the siege mentality and so on. At the end of the day I think Kerry are the better team, how much/how quickly are Tyrone improving? Kerry did really well in getting their cobwebs out of the system in the Cork games, they will not be caught napping now. Tyrone do not have anything like the firepower that Kerry do. And their midfield doesn't really come close either. And as others have said, they are much more tactically and mentally attuned to dealing with any systems of play. Kerry by 5 or 6 points for me. Significant time encouraging suggests in ran over and badgered the guy to take action. When someone punches you, you have 3 options 1. Punch him back which obviously puts you in danger of a red card. 2. Walk away, and who the * and why would you do that. Finally 3 you look for the officials to apply the rules of the game. Very unfair to bring Murphy into this, incidents aren't comparable at all because looking to get a player sent off for something that he deserves to get sent off of (eg. punch to the face) is completely different to getting a player sent off for something he doesn't deserve to get sent off for (eg. stroking one's hair). "..I don't buy all this "honesty" and "fairness" by the large Kerry media machine about Tyrone..." Your "agenda" against Kerry people in the media is getting old now Rashers, there weren't any Kerrymen on TSG which set the mood for the rest of the media coverage of the Tyrone/Monaghan game. That's all I have to say on.
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Post by seamo on Aug 14, 2015 20:53:49 GMT
Geaney is a huge loss, particularly for the rough and tumble of a game like the Tyrone one... It reduces our options a good bit, he is very 'galivanisque' in his work rate and dogged approach. I'm pretty sure if fit he'd have seen a lot of game time v Tyrone. So I think we can count out Donoghue and Geaney for the semi! Yeah agree very much so, he has a role and fills it well. I'm sure he would have been in contention for the Tyrone game, but not to be. Hopefully he'll be good to go again next year.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 15, 2015 11:39:24 GMT
Michael Murphy, who had clearly provoked the Mayo player, then spent a significant effort in 'encouraging' the umpire to make a response to the slap. Although his actions were much more subtle they were in fact in the same ballpark as McCann. In this sense I'm with Dermot here, despite our dispute over what Whelan may have done etc (still haven't seen the evidence Dermo?!) in that cheating and other skulduggery has been allowed go on in gah forever, you can't suddenly blame it all on one county, which to some extent is the inference of the reaction this week. And yes, some of that is to do with the whole Brolly campaign of 2013 and so on. However it is also normal for people to react to both the latest 'event' and something that is more blatant perhaps than anything seen before on live tv. But the point remains, the GAC need to deal with the culture of both violence and general skulduggery in the game, which has been allowed to fester for so long, and most of it gets waved away with a nod, a wink, and mutterings of "it's a man's game", and "so and so team would want to man up" etc. (the sort of thing my own team were hearing either directly or alluded to by the likes of Brolly back when he was very much 'Tyrone's man' in the media.) And as others have said, Monaghan were guilty of several transgressions and various 'activities' themselves. As have many teams/players been all down the years, long before 2003. By the way Dermot, my reference to Colm Cavanagh was more to do with previous 'going to ground easily', not the incident in this particular game. You changed your point of attack, as is your wont. My point remains, despite what I've said in this post, you can't compare a player 'going down too easy' with a blatant dive and play-acting to con the ref into a red card. It's part of the same issue yes but you can't just make it disappear into a muddy water of confustication over all manner of things. These other things are ALWAYS an issue that need addressing but what McCann did is on another level. And in reference to the last few minutes of the 2013 final, as I said, what was done was wrong (as was McQuillan's constant giving of frees for virtually nothing to Mayo, and giving no frees for virtually anything to us) but it does not compare to some of the antics of Conor Gormley for example, deliberately trying to harm and get other players carded/sent off etc. I'll stand by that. Regards the proposed suspension, really really stupid stuff by the CCCC. They are losing any shreds of credibility now. And finally, I don't buy all this "honesty" and "fairness" by the large Kerry media machine about Tyrone. They are damned if they do or don't but I wonder what they would be saying if their team weren't about to play against Tyrone? Clearly in all the multitude of articles by ex-Kerry greats there are warnings to their team about how Tyrone will use the siege mentality and so on. At the end of the day I think Kerry are the better team, how much/how quickly are Tyrone improving? Kerry did really well in getting their cobwebs out of the system in the Cork games, they will not be caught napping now. Tyrone do not have anything like the firepower that Kerry do. And their midfield doesn't really come close either. And as others have said, they are much more tactically and mentally attuned to dealing with any systems of play. Kerry by 5 or 6 points for me. Significant time encouraging suggests in ran over and badgered the guy to take action. When someone punches you, you have 3 options 1. Punch him back which obviously puts you in danger of a red card. 2. Walk away, and who the * and why would you do that. Finally 3 you look for the officials to apply the rules of the game. Very unfair to bring Murphy into this, incidents aren't comparable at all because looking to get a player sent off for something that he deserves to get sent off of (eg. punch to the face) is completely different to getting a player sent off for something he doesn't deserve to get sent off for (eg. stroking one's hair). "..I don't buy all this "honesty" and "fairness" by the large Kerry media machine about Tyrone..." Your "agenda" against Kerry people in the media is getting old now Rashers, there weren't any Kerrymen on TSG which set the mood for the rest of the media coverage of the Tyrone/Monaghan game. That's all I have to say on. Look just because you and Dermo have been told to get a room, there's no need to take it out on me. I think the problem is you haven't enough time to be thinking out your posts here well enough because you have so many Kerry writers' articles in the papers to get through, not to mention interviews, commentators, expert analysers, and those whatchamacallits, 'blogs', 'podcasts', 'facebook pages', and that yoke "twitter". Anyway sure isn't the literary tradition of the Kingdom the envy of every other county? Your only real problem is how to cope with the glut of talent. The Gentleman, scholar, repartee artist, and official public debating ambassador of the city in residence, Rashers Tierney Esquire, has learned much of what he knows at the school of An Maistir O'hUallacháin agus an dhuine uasal, and fellow-scholar JJ Baróid. But aul Con would turn in his grave if he knew I had produced a piece of prose in which I started a sentence with a preposition. Rashers extends his sincerest apologies to you great man. As for the incident last weekend, what 'punch'? He got a slap on the cheek. After he had goaded the lad by aggressive pushing and verbals. Then he tries to influence the umpire. Those are the most relevant facts of the situation. The Mayo player should have got red. It doesn't change the fact that Murphy, like any other player, is not the 'manly' angel Gabriel people try to portray him as. Even though no doubt he's at least as sinned against as sinner.
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Post by seamo on Aug 15, 2015 13:17:58 GMT
Significant time encouraging suggests in ran over and badgered the guy to take action. When someone punches you, you have 3 options 1. Punch him back which obviously puts you in danger of a red card. 2. Walk away, and who the * and why would you do that. Finally 3 you look for the officials to apply the rules of the game. Very unfair to bring Murphy into this, incidents aren't comparable at all because looking to get a player sent off for something that he deserves to get sent off of (eg. punch to the face) is completely different to getting a player sent off for something he doesn't deserve to get sent off for (eg. stroking one's hair). "..I don't buy all this "honesty" and "fairness" by the large Kerry media machine about Tyrone..." Your "agenda" against Kerry people in the media is getting old now Rashers, there weren't any Kerrymen on TSG which set the mood for the rest of the media coverage of the Tyrone/Monaghan game. That's all I have to say on. Look just because you and Dermo have been told to get a room, there's no need to take it out on me. I think the problem is you haven't enough time to be thinking out your posts here well enough because you have so many Kerry writers' articles in the papers to get through, not to mention interviews, commentators, expert analysers, and those whatchamacallits, 'blogs', 'podcasts', 'facebook pages', and that yoke "twitter". Anyway sure isn't the literary tradition of the Kingdom the envy of every other county? Your only real problem is how to cope with the glut of talent. The Gentleman, scholar, repartee artist, and official public debating ambassador of the city in residence, Rashers Tierney Esquire, has learned much of what he knows at the school of An Maistir O'hUallacháin agus an dhuine uasal, and fellow-scholar JJ Baróid. But aul Con would turn in his grave if he knew I had produced a piece of prose in which I started a sentence with a preposition. Rashers extends his sincerest apologies to you great man. As for the incident last weekend, what 'punch'? He got a slap on the cheek. After he had goaded the lad by aggressive pushing and verbals. Then he tries to influence the umpire. Those are the most relevant facts of the situation. The Mayo player should have got red. It doesn't change the fact that Murphy, like any other player, is not the 'manly' angel Gabriel people try to portray him as. Even though no doubt he's at least as sinned against as sinner. Damn you've got it real bad for Kerry writers, bad memories of Peg Sayers from your childhood? Refer to the GAA rule book Rashers, refer to the GAA rule book...actually refer to possibly any sports rule book aside from boxing, MMA etc. and you'll find that striking is a sending off offence, holding your hands out and asking for the rules to be applied is not. But I suspect your views on Michael Murphy are as biased as your views on any person from Kerry who dares to share their opinion in the (Dublin based) media. Now stfu and stop hijacking this thread this sh!t was done and dusted when you jumped in bad mouthing Murphy and Kerry writers. lol
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Post by donegalman on Aug 15, 2015 13:58:08 GMT
As mediocre as donegal were this year, one thing that we did not do on the pitch was practice simulation. Yes, Michael Murphy was playing at the edge a lot, but he didnt actually dive to make the mayo players strike look worse than it was. It was hardly his fault that the referee imposed the sanction on the player. If that is in the same ballpark as McCann, then I am missing something. Murphy is an honest hard hitting player, who does not dive to con the referee.
Anyway, I am not going to repeat my view, I just wanted to throw it in once to defend him, you can type away whatever you like about McCann/Murphy/Whelan/ etc I wont get involved any more.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 15, 2015 15:38:48 GMT
Look just because you and Dermo have been told to get a room, there's no need to take it out on me. I think the problem is you haven't enough time to be thinking out your posts here well enough because you have so many Kerry writers' articles in the papers to get through, not to mention interviews, commentators, expert analysers, and those whatchamacallits, 'blogs', 'podcasts', 'facebook pages', and that yoke "twitter". Anyway sure isn't the literary tradition of the Kingdom the envy of every other county? Your only real problem is how to cope with the glut of talent. The Gentleman, scholar, repartee artist, and official public debating ambassador of the city in residence, Rashers Tierney Esquire, has learned much of what he knows at the school of An Maistir O'hUallacháin agus an dhuine uasal, and fellow-scholar JJ Baróid. But aul Con would turn in his grave if he knew I had produced a piece of prose in which I started a sentence with a preposition. Rashers extends his sincerest apologies to you great man. As for the incident last weekend, what 'punch'? He got a slap on the cheek. After he had goaded the lad by aggressive pushing and verbals. Then he tries to influence the umpire. Those are the most relevant facts of the situation. The Mayo player should have got red. It doesn't change the fact that Murphy, like any other player, is not the 'manly' angel Gabriel people try to portray him as. Even though no doubt he's at least as sinned against as sinner. Damn you've got it real bad for Kerry writers, bad memories of Peg Sayers from your childhood? Refer to the GAA rule book Rashers, refer to the GAA rule book...actually refer to possibly any sports rule book aside from boxing, MMA etc. and you'll find that striking is a sending off offence, holding your hands out and asking for the rules to be applied is not. But I suspect your views on Michael Murphy are as biased as your views on any person from Kerry who dares to share their opinion in the (Dublin based) media. Now stfu and stop hijacking this thread this sh!t was done and dusted when you jumped in bad mouthing Murphy and Kerry writers. lol Did you read my post then? I said the Mayo player had to see red. This remains irrelevant to the point of the post, which was in response to another poster holding up MM's actions as the epitome of fine manliness in contrast to Tyrone players' (and others') behaviour. I merely pointed out, and here repeat for the third or fourth time, that MM goaded/provoked the Mayo player in the incident under discussion and looked for umpire intervention after getting the slap. Immediately after. You may interpret that whatever way you want but in fact you're not interpreting the point at all, rather deflecting the argument/digressing from the actual point. As stated before, as known by everyone true GAA follower, and here now in response to Donegalman's understandable but perhaps not quite fully-informed response to the discussion, Michael Murphy is one of the greatest players of this generation, arguable all-round the best (possibly even as good as The Gooch, with the added advantage of extra physical attributes, and even a bit more talented than Kieran Donaghy). He has probably like all great players had to endure more than his fair share of 'difficult attention'. It does not make him or anyone exempt from question or honest comment or debate, which to my view was being inferred by the post to which I originally responded. So let's keep the discussion in context.
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Post by donegalman on Aug 15, 2015 16:16:02 GMT
Some interesting facts here that might be of interest to kerry folk. This is the head to head results since the 2008 all ireland final between the sides.
2009 kerry win 2010 tyrone win 2011 ------------ 2012 kerry win 2013 kerry win 2014 kerry win 2015 draw
2 games were drubbings. Does it make you any more or less confident going into the game?
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Post by inchperfect on Aug 15, 2015 17:28:52 GMT
Some interesting facts here that might be of interest to kerry folk. This is the head to head results since the 2008 all ireland final between the sides. 2009 kerry win 2010 tyrone win 2011 ------------ 2012 kerry win 2013 kerry win 2014 kerry win 2015 draw 2 games were drubbings. Does it make you any more or less confident going into the game? League games are played at walking pace, and are viewed by managers of top teams as a chance to experiment, blood young players and broaden the panel. So no, league results in my opinion have no bearing on how an All-Ireland semi final would go. Of the ones you listed above, the 2015 one would be the one I'd take most notice of as it is the most recent, and it was on the last day with relegation on the line, so it was almost like a championship match. But much has changed since.
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Post by seamo on Aug 15, 2015 18:16:18 GMT
Some interesting facts here that might be of interest to kerry folk. This is the head to head results since the 2008 all ireland final between the sides. 2009 kerry win 2010 tyrone win 2011 ------------ 2012 kerry win 2013 kerry win 2014 kerry win 2015 draw 2 games were drubbings. Does it make you any more or less confident going into the game? I don't think too many people in Kerry would pay much attention to those games. As has been said alot were league games which you take with a pinch of salt. Too much is written about previous meetings between sides. It's lazy journalism imo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 18:35:27 GMT
I would agree Leagues don't mean anything i mean look at us and Cork they beat us well the last couple of years in the league but can't do it in the Championship. Kerry need to beat Tyrone in the business end of the Championship in Croke Park it's that simple. 2 reasons to get to another All Ireland and the get that stigma off their backs of past defeats to Tyrone in finals. This is a great opportunity for that. We still have that thing with Down of not beating them in the Championship and one day we will meet Down again in Croke Park and we will have to end that too.
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2015 18:42:42 GMT
I agree they're not worth Championship salt but they definitely have worth. If that list was cut/replace Tyrone for Kerry I guarantee they'd feature plenty on discussions here, everywhere as a nice segue from the 3 noughties results. The results build positive subconscious knowledge that Kerry have good form against Tyrone. Most of both teams know this record. It will come to mind easier than trawling back 7 years +. League form is not throwaway imo. Fitzmaurice as a manager has experienced only good times v Tyrone.
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2015 18:57:48 GMT
I would agree Leagues don't mean anything i mean look at us and Cork they beat us well the last couple of years in the league but can't do it in the Championship. Kerry need to beat Tyrone in the business end of the Championship in Croke Park it's that simple. 2 reasons to get to another All Ireland and the get that stigma off their backs of past defeats to Tyrone in finals. This is a great opportunity for that. We still have that thing with Down of not beating them in the Championship and one day we will meet Down again in Croke Park and we will have to end that too. Well we hadn't beaten them in Championship until 2012, post 86, but that was resolved that evening in Killarney. The fact that it wasn't Croker means we're back at to square 1? Down and Tyrone are not 2+2. There is nothing but positivity to view this game with. A good test guaranteed and we have mostly young, successful and battled hardened squad, with lots of skill and scoring power, not to mention a quality manager. Immersion in the past is futile. Thank God for Donegalman throwing the positive angles.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 16, 2015 7:26:19 GMT
Know Mr Connolly is a class footballer but has he enough run way to make a bigger contribution than DM?
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 16, 2015 8:35:41 GMT
Some interesting facts here that might be of interest to kerry folk. This is the head to head results since the 2008 all ireland final between the sides. 2009 kerry win 2010 tyrone win 2011 ------------ 2012 kerry win 2013 kerry win 2014 kerry win 2015 draw 2 games were drubbings. Does it make you any more or less confident going into the game? I don't think too many people in Kerry would pay much attention to those games. As has been said alot were league games which you take with a pinch of salt. Too much is written about previous meetings between sides. It's lazy journalism imo. I agree with the point around lazy journalism and the same could be said of a lot of the rubbish on this thread all week about diving sledging etc. best for all of us to figure out what Kerry have to do to beat Tyrone on the field and how to setup the team to achieve this. Moaning about Tyrones antics is like complaining about the bad summer. All the talk in the world won't change their approach. My big imponderable is whether Star will start or not and will Galvin have a bigger impact on this game. Also I feel a big performance coming from Tommy Walsh.
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Post by mandad on Aug 16, 2015 9:50:58 GMT
Johnny Buckley has been the focus of much head scratching because of his inconsistency this Championship. His game in the final last year was first class and his point in the second half when we had a few 'ropey' moments was inspirational. He has set his own benchmark very high. This is good, but it also adds to the burden of pressure on his shoulders and up until now he is having difficulty in hitting the ‘reset’ button. There are certain combinations of players that work better and a return to last year’s level by Johnny would be a big addition to our prospects of retaining Sam. It has been suggested on this forum that he has been carrying an injury. If he has overcome that issue I would like to think that his form might return and I would love to see him back on the starting 15, any place on the half forward line.
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Post by Control3 on Aug 16, 2015 9:57:03 GMT
I have locked the other thread about tyrone. Please keep this thread on topic. Just spent half the morning reading through petty tit for tat comments.
Anyone taking this thread off topic will be sitting it out for a few days.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2015 10:02:46 GMT
Good call, it wasn't the brightest of thread titles in any case.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2015 10:05:46 GMT
Johnny Buckley has been the focus of much head scratching because of his inconsistency this Championship. His game in the final last year was first class and his point in the second half when we had a few 'ropey' moments was inspirational. He has set his own benchmark very high. This is good, but it also adds to the burden of pressure on his shoulders and up until now he is having difficulty in hitting the ‘reset’ button. There are certain combinations of players that work better and a return to last year’s level by Johnny would be a big addition to our prospects of retaining Sam. It has been suggested on this forum that he has been carrying an injury. If he has overcome that issue I would like to think that his form might return and I would love to see him back on the starting 15, any place on the half forward line. Team selection will be interesting. The closed door policy will really come into it's own this week and last as the panel and management breakdown what they will need to do to win the tie. Discipline, focus and control will be high on the agenda.
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