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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 2, 2015 13:05:37 GMT
Going by who played in the League, I think Kealy will get the nod.
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Post by dart on Jun 2, 2015 16:37:18 GMT
Barring injury I'd have Donnachadh Walsh on the wing for sure. He had 10 minutes in the league up in Derry and needs game time now.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2015 17:04:42 GMT
I presume the club disruption to the preparation of the county team is now ceased for the moment?
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Post by keane on Jun 2, 2015 21:17:02 GMT
I was in Thurles the last day. Tipp were pretty good and will be a test, but I don't think they were as hugely impressive as the scoreline suggests. There is no stressing how bad Waterford were enough. Tipp put some nice moves together and kicked some nice scores but all without a glove being within a yard of being laid on them.
O'Brien was good and kicked a fair few points but they were all 30 yards out, under no pressure. A way to put him in context for me was that Hanningan looked excellent on the day, when against real teams he's fairly middle of the road most of the time.
Colin O'Riordan had an awkward twist and looked in a fair bit of pain when he was taken off, will be touch and go to play I'd say.
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Post by inchperfect on Jun 3, 2015 10:21:28 GMT
Remember Limerick last year! Kelly didn't exactly cover himself with glory there And Kelly is? Do you not remember Limerick last summer? From what i know he's played most games with them this year. OK, thanks for remembering the one example ever. I can remember several from Kealy. Kelly kept a clean sheet in Sigerson, Munster and All Ireland Finals in 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 10:45:48 GMT
I think Kelly will start.They have to start Marc and Aidan.I'm sorry but for me Pa Kilkenny and Mark Griffin just did not play well enough in the League to start Championship. Fionn is struggling too so I would start lyne. So I would go 1 Kelly 2 Marc 3 Aidan and 4 Paul Murphy. 5 Lyne 6 Crowley and 7 Killian. Shane Enright,Griffin,Fionn, Kilkeny, Podge O'Connor and Kealy on the bench. 8 Maher and 9 Moran. Not sure if Donnacha will be fit enough. If he is he starts with Cooper and Buckley.If not probably O'Brien at 10. Again I don't think Tommy Walsh or BJ Keane are good enough to start Championship righ now. Not sure if James O'Donoghue will be fit enough.If he is he starts.14 Donaghy 15 Sheehan. I think as good as Paul Geaney is i think he migh lose out because you need Sheehan for frees cause amazingly nobody else can kick them. He is not better than James O'Donghue but he is a great sub. Tommy Walsh , BJ Keane , Darren o'Sullivan,Mikey Geaney, Paul Galvin, Kieran O'Leary, and Probably Alan Fitzgerald on the bench.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 3, 2015 10:49:43 GMT
Remember Limerick last year! Kelly didn't exactly cover himself with glory there And Kelly is? Do you not remember Limerick last summer? From what i know he's played most games with them this year. OK, thanks for remembering the one example ever. I can remember several from Kealy. Kelly kept a clean sheet in Sigerson, Munster and All Ireland Finals in 2014. I've seen him struggle with it at club level quite a bit. But i suppose that doesn't count. Based on the league why should Kelly be starting?
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 3, 2015 13:44:26 GMT
Barring injury I'd have Donnachadh Walsh on the wing for sure. He had 10 minutes in the league up in Derry and needs game time now. Donnchadh went off injured in the game against Legion. I think fitness will have a huge effect on the team selection - seems to be a lot of lads in the squad with various knocks and niggles, with a number of countymen missing county championship game. As such I think trying to predict a starting lineup is close to impossible.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 3, 2015 20:45:31 GMT
I think Kelly will start.They have to start Marc and Aidan.I'm sorry but for me Pa Kilkenny and Mark Griffin just did not play well enough in the League to start Championship. Fionn is struggling too so I would start lyne. So I would go 1 Kelly 2 Marc 3 Aidan and 4 Paul Murphy. 5 Lyne 6 Crowley and 7 Killian. Shane Enright,Griffin,Fionn, Kilkeny, Podge O'Connor and Kealy on the bench. 8 Maher and 9 Moran. Not sure if Donnacha will be fit enough. If he is he starts with Cooper and Buckley.If not probably O'Brien at 10. Again I don't think Tommy Walsh or BJ Keane are good enough to start Championship righ now. Not sure if James O'Donoghue will be fit enough.If he is he starts.14 Donaghy 15 Sheehan. I think as good as Paul Geaney is i think he migh lose out because you need Sheehan for frees cause amazingly nobody else can kick them. He is not better than James O'Donghue but he is a great sub. Tommy Walsh , BJ Keane , Darren o'Sullivan,Mikey Geaney, Paul Galvin, Kieran O'Leary, and Probably Alan Fitzgerald on the bench. I think there is very little between the 2 keepers and will be happy enough with either. I can't see O'Mahony starting based on the fact that he had no game time in the league and would expect to see Griffin at fullback. I also expect Paul Geaney to start instead of Sheahan. Sheahan didn't start the AI final if you remember. I agree with you elsewhere
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 23:32:48 GMT
I think Kelly will start.They have to start Marc and Aidan.I'm sorry but for me Pa Kilkenny and Mark Griffin just did not play well enough in the League to start Championship. Fionn is struggling too so I would start lyne. So I would go 1 Kelly 2 Marc 3 Aidan and 4 Paul Murphy. 5 Lyne 6 Crowley and 7 Killian. Shane Enright,Griffin,Fionn, Kilkeny, Podge O'Connor and Kealy on the bench. 8 Maher and 9 Moran. Not sure if Donnacha will be fit enough. If he is he starts with Cooper and Buckley.If not probably O'Brien at 10. Again I don't think Tommy Walsh or BJ Keane are good enough to start Championship righ now. Not sure if James O'Donoghue will be fit enough.If he is he starts.14 Donaghy 15 Sheehan. I think as good as Paul Geaney is i think he migh lose out because you need Sheehan for frees cause amazingly nobody else can kick them. He is not better than James O'Donghue but he is a great sub. Tommy Walsh , BJ Keane , Darren o'Sullivan,Mikey Geaney, Paul Galvin, Kieran O'Leary, and Probably Alan Fitzgerald on the bench. I think there is very little between the 2 keepers and will be happy enough with either. I can't see O'Mahony starting based on the fact that he had no game time in the league and would expect to see Griffin at fullback. I also expect Paul Geaney to start instead of Sheahan. Sheahan didn't start the AI final if you remember. I agree with you elsewhere Just if Sheehan was to start then he would probably play on the 40 and Gooch in the corner although everything is up in the air at the moment as regards what the team could be of course.
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Post by fitz on Jun 4, 2015 0:02:52 GMT
I dunno, Griffin has to start if he is to make an imprint on this team, he's around a while now. O'Mahony and Marc have played no football so be surprised if either star. I think Sheahan will start. Tipp will be frenzied up so there will be frees and likely more out the field and having the board ticking over until the game settles might be sensible
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2015 6:22:35 GMT
Is it possible that Gooch doesn't start?
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Post by seamus on Jun 4, 2015 8:04:06 GMT
Big calls in team selection. Tough to get the balance right between picking on form and getting game time into blue chip players who are out of form or have not played much. Gooch, Donncha, Tommy Walsh, Marc, Paul Galvin all fall into that category. The late trip to Portugal this week is beginning to look like a masterstroke as it is close enough to the white heat of summer for top players to have to show relevent form.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 4, 2015 9:50:08 GMT
Its going to be difficult to predict a forward line-up this year. Going by the league games, for the opening game against Tipp, I would say that the only 3 forwards guaranteed a place are Donaghy, Paul Geaney and Johnny Buckley. Johnny is carrying a bit of an injury so there may be 4 places up for grabs. James O Donoghue may not be risked 3 weeks before the Munster Final so finding a proper balance up front could be difficult.
Can you have a half forward line of Sheehan, Gooch and Johnny. I don't think so. Do you need a Stephen O Brien type or a Mikey Geaney type in there? Is Darran anywhere near it? Donnacha?
Inside, could you play Gooch closer to goals to acclimatise him back into the pace of inter county football. Or will they be worried about the knee as he might have to turn sharper and quicker cos he'll be marked tighter closer to goal? Will Tommy Walsh challenge Donaghy for a place or could you play the two of them inside? Is BJK destined to be this teams Declan Quill?
Lots of ponderables and we'll probably be none the wise until after the Munster final at least.
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Post by KY50 on Jun 4, 2015 10:08:13 GMT
Some of us are being very complacent here
"lots of ponderables and we'll probably be none the wise until after the Munster final at least"
This is a real banana skin game, Tipperary very unlucky not to get to division 2, The two promoted teams were the only sides that beat them (ignore the last game as it was not relevant) and both games were away. They had Armagh on the rack with only a few minutes to go. They have plenty of talent and will be in our faces for the 75/80 mins.We also have a number of injury concerns etc
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Post by buck02 on Jun 4, 2015 11:23:39 GMT
Some of us are being very complacent here
"lots of ponderables and we'll probably be none the wise until after the Munster final at least" This is a real banana skin game, Tipperary very unlucky not to get to division 2, The two promoted teams were the only sides that beat them (ignore the last game as it was not relevant) and both games were away. They had Armagh on the rack with only a few minutes to go. They have plenty of talent and will be in our faces for the 75/80 mins.We also have a number of injury concerns etc Yerra
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Post by hugh20 on Jun 4, 2015 11:46:55 GMT
I think Tipperary will cause us problems but I still expect Kerry to get over the line by 5 or 6 points. Im going to go with what I think it might be.
Tough to see Mahony or Marc starting because of the little time they have played. Like people have said, there is nothing between Kealy or Kelly and I would be happy with either but im going to narrowly edge for Kealy.
Kealy, Murphy, Griffin, Enright, Young, Crowley, Lyne, Maher, Moran, Johnny, Gooch, O Brien, Geaney, Donaghy, Sheehan. I don't expect Sheehan to play inside but I also don't expect Gooch to, I would play 2 inside with Gooch roaming in between half forward and full forward line. I think if Gooch is to start, it has to be on the 40, I don't believe he is in a position to start with his back to goal just yet.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 4, 2015 16:26:00 GMT
Is it possible that Gooch doesn't start? Very possible, everybody so far on this thread is taking it as a given he will start but I'm not so sure. If everybody fit I'd go for the following based on amount of football played, the league, etc. Kealy Murphy Griffin Enright Lyne Crowley Young Maher Moran O'Brien Sheehan Buckley O'Donoghue Donaghy Geaney With appearances from Fionn Fitzgerald, Marc O'Sé/Aidan O'Mahony, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Barry John Keane and Tommy Walsh.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 4, 2015 18:34:28 GMT
I'm surprised at the number of people that don't have Donncha Walsh in the starting line-up. I think he's a nailed on starter if fit.
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Post by dabomber on Jun 4, 2015 18:35:28 GMT
Is it possible that Gooch doesn't start? Very possible, everybody so far on this thread is taking it as a given he will start but I'm not so sure. If everybody fit I'd go for the following based on amount of football played, the league, etc. Kealy Murphy Griffin Enright Lyne Crowley Young Maher Moran O'Brien Sheehan Buckley O'Donoghue Donaghy Geaney With appearances from Fionn Fitzgerald, Marc O'Sé/Aidan O'Mahony, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Barry John Keane and Tommy Walsh. Can you afford to not start Marc, Mahony nd gooch with cork a few weeks later
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 4, 2015 21:57:37 GMT
To be fair both lads have made errors in big games.
Kealys distribution is better and is arguably a better shot stopper.
Kelly is more solid and trust worthy under the high ball.
Kealy is liable to make rash decisions so for me it's Kelly for number 1.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 4, 2015 22:00:03 GMT
Some interesting selection decisions for management, looking forward to seeing the first championship team sheet of the season.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2015 22:38:54 GMT
I am nearly always more interested in figuring out what 15 will finish a game as that's when a lot of games are won and lost especially with so many subs allowed. KDs arrival v Mayo in Croker and Lynes two points in Limerick are examples.
Kerry won All Irelands in years when Colm, Darragh, KD, and Moynihan were injured.
Winning the next one without Declan could be the hardest. I always felt that Declan was the most irreplaceable. When he was in form we won. When he lost form we lost.
No line of form to go on at the moment. The last two back to back performances were the semi final and final of 2014.
Retaining this one in 2015 is an almighty ask.
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Post by G_S_J on Jun 5, 2015 17:06:04 GMT
Tomas in his article today in the Indo reckons Kerry will come back hitting the ground running from Portugal.
From reading the piece, you get the feeling in this instance we were better off heading for warm weather training than playing an actual game of football. While one of our rivals Donegal are getting ready for what probably will be a stern test against Armagh.
Just shows you where the whole thing is at, we're all operating in different competitions and different seasons.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 5, 2015 21:33:28 GMT
These players are certainties if fit Kelly Murphy, Enright, Crowley, Young. Maher, Moran. Buckley, O'Donoghue, Geaney, Donaghy.
Four places up for discussion.
In defence Griffin will probably get the no 3. After seeing him in the league and being hopeful I now think he doesn't get the whiff of danger or have the reading of the game to be a dependable fullback However I think Eamonn will give him the jersey this time. Regarding Lyne, he has all the attributes of a very good footballer, and can be extremely effective in defence but when it comes to a 1 on 1 close to goal, players like him do not have the instinctive defensive skills to stop a forceful inside forward like McBrearty. Marc to get the nod at no 2.
In attack O'Brien is very near to being a certainty. He always keeps his head up, is full of confidence and uses his speed very well. He will probably start. If Gooch is ready he starts, if not Sheehan does.
Team: Kelly, Marc, Griffin, Enright, Murphy, Crowley, Young, Maher, Moran, O'Brien, Gooch, Buckley, O'Donoghue, Donaghy, Geaney.
Based on league and county championship I think Donnacha won't be available.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 6, 2015 0:03:32 GMT
Going on his club performances- Tommy shouldn't even be up for consideration
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Post by dabomber on Jun 6, 2015 0:15:30 GMT
Going on his club performances- Tommy shouldn't even be up for consideration Shouldn't have been taken on the trip ahead of Conor Keane either based on performances. Can see Conor going stateside for the summer now
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 6, 2015 8:10:26 GMT
Going on his club performances- Tommy shouldn't even be up for consideration Shouldn't have been taken on the trip ahead of Conor Keane either based on performances. Can see Conor going stateside for the summer now To be honest with the way both are playing-you're probably right. I have no idea what Conor Keane will do but I think lads should go stateside to be honest- great experience, loads of craic and earn some cash- better than trying to scrape a job here
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 6, 2015 9:47:39 GMT
I know it should be easy to park in Thurles, any idea of a free car park near the stadium?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 6, 2015 9:59:57 GMT
Shouldn't have been taken on the trip ahead of Conor Keane either based on performances. Can see Conor going stateside for the summer now To be honest with the way both are playing-you're probably right. I have no idea what Conor Keane will do but I think lads should go stateside to be honest- great experience, loads of craic and earn some cash- better than trying to scrape a job here Has anyone in the history of the J1 actually made money out of it???
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