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Post by bilythewalsh on Jun 15, 2015 11:17:40 GMT
Match programmes all gone long in advance of throw-in, which was a shame. Thought O'Mahony added some much-needed impetus. Some of Colm's passing was a joy to watch. First quarter was ropey from Kerry but not much danger after that. 13 wides I read from Tipp. Ref did not endear himself to either set of supporters. Some cynical fouls by Tipp as Kerry were breaking from the back, but no sign of any black cards.
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Post by bomberliston on Jun 15, 2015 11:58:54 GMT
Great post as per usual but I'd have to disagree re: Kealy. First goal, he had no chance. Fair enough. Second goal, I felt he was all over the place. Too far off his line. He's been caught off his line a few times in the past. Second half save, he did his job but the ball was hit straight at him. Kick outs, he's no Cluxton. Some people might think I'm being harsh but I think Kelly is the better option. Nothing personal against Kealy.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 15, 2015 12:06:22 GMT
A Tipp fella in the queue for the shop after it had been announced that there was a delay of 15 minutes to the throw in said that "the Waterford footballers were better prepared 2 weeks ago than the Munster Council are today". I was lucky as I was in for the junior game and had bought a ticket in advance but I heard stories of waiting for 25 minutes to get a ticket only to be corralled into a stand that was already full.
I thought Tipp asked a lot of questions of Kerry and if they could kick points from distance the 2nd half would have been a lot different.
Last year after a laboured win over Clare I couldnt see an All Ireland in that team. We'll probably have to beat Cork, Donegal and Dublin to win it this year. I'm sure the lads are looking forward to the challenge.
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Post by timmy on Jun 15, 2015 14:13:28 GMT
I read during the week where Kerry were refused permission for a a live feed of yesterday's game on health and safety grounds no less. I wonder then how the Munster Council viewed the circus which took place before yesterday's match. Now, Tipperary football is on an upward curve, the All-Ireland champions were coming to town and on that team a little wonder boy was making a return to earth. Would that not have suggested to the health and safety experts that there could be an almighty influx of visitors on the 14/06/2015. Seemingly they were too engaged with the dangers of the live feed to take cognizance of this probability. The result was that just one stand was opened for the occasion. The supporters, no matter how many were showing up, were being crammed into the one stand. It was not until people were swinging off the rafters did it dawn on the authorities that the other stand should be opened. The result was that the match was delayed by fifteen minutes. The attendance was eventually announced as 11,000. Feel free to add another five thousand to that figure. Indeed, I was told that they ran out of match tickets! They certainly ran out of match programmes. There are times when I despair at the quality of some of people holding posts of authority in this country. But of course they can always take refuge in the "health and safety" coral. Well, further despair was to envelop me in the first ten minutes or so of the match when it appeared that we could not get our hands on the ball. Tipperary started like a whirlwind, getting the first score , a fine point from Colin O'Riordan. Deeper despair was to come. Michael Quinlivan, a fine player, got possession and did a Kerry dance past Mark Griffin and planted it. The Tipperary supporters were now lifting the roof of the stand, I mean the two stands, and it became clear that that there was going to be nothing "facile" on offer today. Happily, our two boys at midfield began to talk back, encouraged from behind by an unbending Jonathan Lyne, magnificent all through, and the tide was turned to an extent. Bryan hit over a few missiles from ground and hand and the goal of course brought sanity back to the affair. It was a well worked move and was adroitly finished by BJK who appeared to be off balance at time. All the forwards looked lively now with the exception of Johnny Buckley, restricted by an early and unwarranted yellow card. Another goal followed. It was fortuitous enough in that it appeared that KD and Paul Geaney jumped for the same ball and when it broke Paul snapped it up and finished in the one movement. Sublimely done. That opened up a gap of about six points and surely the jury were now about to return an unanimous verdict. Not so. The ball went down the field in the next movement and believe it or believe not the ball was finished to the Kerry net again, and again by Michael Quinlivan. The jury were recalled. Two points in it at the break. Just as the opening period of the first half belonged to Tipperary the opening period of the second half belonged to Kerry, ultimately deciding the match. This was Kerry football at its peak. Five or six points were strung together in sequence. All top of the range. Yet, Tipperary were winning loads of possession and the Kerry defence continued to leave doors wide open. Tipperary knifed through one of these doors and Brendan Kealy was forced to make a wonderful save. Had he not, it would have been a three point game again. Then Tipperary went on a spree of kicking wides from play and frees. About three of those frees should have been readily converted. Consider it was just a six point margin at the end. In those last ten minutes of the second half Kerry were sloppy and careless, repeatedly giving easy ball away. Nevertheless, taking all the factors into account, I am pleased with the six point result. It wasn't comfortable but it will suffice. I don't think Brendan Kealy could be blamed for either of the goals and he stymied a Tipperary resurgence with that second half save. Marc O'Se started poorly but asserted himself well as the game advanced. Mark Griffin found it very hot against Michael Quinlivan. Shane Enright spent most of his time at CHB where he struggled against the strong running of Philip Austin. Why was he posted there? Killian was another man who settled into matters as the game wore on. Peter Crowley was very good until he was forced off with a blood injury after a nasty collision. He subsequently was forced off again. He is badly needed in that CHB position. Anthony Maher shone brightly against a strong Tipperary midfield but he has developed this infuriating habit of breaking the ball, more often than not into the hands of an opponent. You are well able to catch the high ones, Anthony, so why not do that. Bryan was probably our key man. Show me the man who catch and kick and I will show you a footballer. Bryan is a footballer. Apart from Johnny Buckley, it would be difficult to find fault with the forwards. Remember, they were opposed by some very good backs. Of course, one must mention the elusive butterfly. He did make a couple of uncharacteristic errors but there were times when he reminded us of the way things once were and might be again. Perhaps, as the game progressed and as he tired he might have been pushed into the full forward line and Paul brought out. It is only a small point, partly inspired by my wish to see Paul get a run on the forty some time because there is another man who can catch and kick it. BJK was his usual industrious self and seemed to be more thoughtful in possession on this occasion. Michael Geaney had one of his better games but Stephen O'Brien put down a strong claim for that position with his display when he came on . KD was a huge handful but as usual he was dragged with impunity. Johnny Buckley has had better days and I won't be surprised if he turns out to be a dominant figure against Cork. One of the ignoble traditions of the GAA is that one is allowed to puck a substitute when he comes on. One of the most blatant displays of that thuggery was when Maurice came on against Dublin in Thurles several years ago. He was manhandled by a couple of different opponents in full view of Mr. Michael Curley who turned a blind eye. That display of boorishness paled in comparison with the treatment James O'Donoghue got yesterday when he came on. He was shouldered repeatedly, rabbit punched , kicked in the legs, all in full view of two carefree umpires who were out on a day trip. The referee eventually intervened and a yellow card brandished. For what? Should have been red, sir. Back to health and safety issues again! Who would encourage their offspring to play football after witnessing that? Back to despair again. And so, Kerry march on the the sunlit uplands of Killarney while Tipperary remain in the foothills, for a while at least. They are well capable of a forceful run in the qualifiers if the cards fall their way. Veteran – I can’t say I agree with some of your points in your post below. Kealy could have done better for Tipperary’s 2nd goal, I do think he is a better keeper than Kelly and would stick with him going forward. Shane Enright was obviously given a man marking job on Philip Austin who on recent games has been Tipperary’s most dangerous forward and also their playmaker. Enright totally nullified Austin’s threat bar one run through the middle in which Enright did well to get back on him. Austin was then moved to corner forward and then taken off with 15 mins left. Peter Crowley was poor yesterday and went back to his old ways of making stupid mistakes and gave away a few very poor passed – maybe the bank in the head did affect him but he was not very good.
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Post by keane on Jun 15, 2015 15:38:22 GMT
Some really good kick outs by Kealy yesterday I thought.
He and Kelly are much of a muchness in most respects but Kealy's ability to pick out a man from restarts has gotten a far better showing over the last few years. Kelly kicked the ball straight out the middle the vast majority of the time last year and remains unproven in that regard.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jun 15, 2015 18:55:24 GMT
Mark Griffin is not County standard it's obvious. I don't know why they persist with him. Marc O'Se has slowed down a lot and it showed today. Enright was poor too. Cork will destroy us if we start those three against them. It's easily our weakest spot. I would not be surprised if O'Mahony, Murphy and Fionn come into the team for Cork. If Moran is fit he will come back in. You could see Sheehan go to the 40 with Cooper going inside with Donaghy and O'Donoghue. Donnacha and Buckley 10 and 12. That would be my Forwards. Harsh enough on the full-back line there. None of them were roasted. Griffin's problem is that if he's left exposed inside then he's in trouble. I would think Kealy's performance yesterday would be more worrying. On yesterday's game, Mikey Geaney will start v Cork. He was brilliant, his best Kerry performance so far. Mike geaney was exceptional and omahony will be fullback vs cork
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 15, 2015 19:43:48 GMT
Well obviously Michael Geaneys rough edges are being smoothed out... his kick passing and shot selection.
Kerry won it in 2014 with little enough input from Sheehan but if he can stay injury free in 2015 he will be massive for us. He ran over to Lyne and applauded him for the great block down as soon as Geaney had slotted the point at the other end. He is a leader on men now.
I though Peter Crowley threw himself under the bus at one stage to win a ball which was a momentum shifter at a time when Tipp were on top....... he got hurt and had to go off for a while. He is fearless.
Some of the footpassing was a joy. One from Killian in particular and of course Colm.
Tipp were never going to win this. More or less the same team as 2014. What was interesting was watching whether Kerry would go for those 40;60 balls that turn games. I was delighted that Tipp went ahead and asked a few questions.
I was tuned in to Tipp FM and the first 20 mins was hilarious. You could hear Wheesie in the background having a heart attack. I think the Tipp FM commentator had to take up his mike and walk after a while. The Tipp FM commentator was puzzled as to why Kealy kept kicking the ball out towards Tipps dominant midfielder Stephen OBrien during their period of dominance.
It was a pity that they lost their other midfielder George Hannigan. It would have stayed interesting for longer if he had stayed on.
I wouldn't be hard on Griffen or the fullback line. Impossible situation for them when a team is running through at pace with options either side to take the pass. The root cause was further out. I didn't think Kerry did that well in winning dirty breaking ball from kickouts overall.
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Post by Premier on Jun 15, 2015 20:30:10 GMT
Well obviously Michael Geaneys rough edges are being smoothed out... his kick passing and shot selection. Kerry won it in 2014 with little enough input from Sheehan but if he can stay injury free in 2015 he will be massive for us. He ran over to Lyne and applauded him for the great block down as soon as Geaney had slotted the point at the other end. He is a leader on men now. I though Peter Crowley threw himself under the bus at one stage to win a ball which was a momentum shifter at a time when Tipp were on top....... he got hurt and had to go off for a while. He is fearless. Some of the footpassing was a joy. One from Killian in particular and of course Colm. Tipp were never going to win this. More or less the same team as 2014. What was interesting was watching whether Kerry would go for those 40;60 balls that turn games. I was delighted that Tipp went ahead and asked a few questions. I was tuned in to Tipp FM and the first 20 mins was hilarious. You could hear Wheesie in the background having a heart attack. I think the Tipp FM commentator had to take up his mike and walk after a while. The Tipp FM commentator was puzzled as to why Kealy kept kicking the ball out towards Tipps dominant midfielder Stephen OBrien during their period of dominance. It was a pity that they lost their other midfielder George Hannigan. It would have stayed interesting for longer if he had stayed on. I wouldn't be hard on Griffen or the fullback line. Impossible situation for them when a team is running through at pace with options either side to take the pass. The root cause was further out. I didn't think Kerry did that well in winning dirty breaking ball from kickouts overall. Griffin was lost for the 1st goal
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Post by keane on Jun 15, 2015 21:13:00 GMT
There was a massive problem with players running through the centre but that was not the reason why the two Marks were yards off their men when the ball was footpassed in from out the field.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 15, 2015 22:14:18 GMT
Creating a platform in defence to the stop runners coming through and protecting the full back line will take a lot of work. In other games the need to have players in situ to deal with breakaway attack from the blanket defence will provide a different challenge. It will be horses for courses as the season develops in the different games. Kerry's defensive players will have to find form to make the various systems work.
One question from Sunday, is there such a need to enlist the Gooch to make the hard yardage runs into defence? Would he not be better positioned by remaining in the middle third as a link player for turning potential turnovers into attack. I think of Messi whole sole focus/role is to score or to assist scoring opportunities.
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Post by fitz on Jun 15, 2015 23:09:10 GMT
I actually thought Paul Geaney although he got a goal and a couple of nice points was a bit lethargic yesterday especially defensively, he would have been the first forward I would have subbed in second half. I have loads of time for Paul, think he's a fine player just think BJK could have done with the pitch time more and overall contributed a bit more from play. I wouldn't be harsh on Johnny either, tackling was off yesterday and clearly dropping the ball into the keeper's hands is a deadly sin.
So, "the defence would want to tighten up" - we're saying this weekly if not daily. What's the root cause? To me it is starting mainly at midfield either from losing possession cleanly or from losing a breaking ball from a knocked down kick out. None of our midfield players have pace, none and Johnny doesn't either from half forward, So realistically an opposition player winning a ball from a kickout against us and tearing off is more often than not, not going to be stopped by our midfield unless he sent sideways on starting his run.
So you've a midfielder tearing on, two forward lines running angles so who is going to stop the man on the ball. Anthony/Bryan/Johnny or David won't catch him if he's got legs and this is definitely causing some of our disarray in games like yesterday's where many of the Tipp players had speed. Would our midfield catch MD McAuley? very questionable, but Cian O'Sullivan - no way.
Could one of Mikey/Stephen/Donnacha be drawn in in front of the opposition centre forward for our kickouts anyway, to hit the opposition player immediately if he picks up the ball and slow him down? There is of course risk in this too, if the direction of play heads toward the free wing back who begins marauding.
The current sweeper system works well when the opposition are building from a static enough starting point.
We've got to do something anyway. 2-8 although not that high but if you equate the "chances" Tipp had in the game to replacing them with Dublin players and we'd be shipping at least +10 more.
Gooch's work rate, application and determination was the yardstick for all others yesterday. Of course he's hungry but he didn't switch off at any stage. Was great to see him back as many others have commented.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 15, 2015 23:34:26 GMT
I actually thought Paul Geaney although he got a goal and a couple of nice points was a bit lethargic yesterday especially defensively, he would have been the first forward I would have subbed in second half. I have loads of time for Paul, think he's a fine player just think BJK could have done with the pitch time more and overall contributed a bit more from play. I wouldn't be harsh on Johnny either, tackling was off yesterday and clearly dropping the ball into the keeper's hands is a deadly sin. The thing was Buckley was already on a yellow plus a ticking from the ref and it wasn't even half-time. Personally I thought the change could have waited until half-time but it does send out a message to the whole squad about what's likely to happen if you have an off day. Another thing that likely influenced the decision was who Fitzmaurice had as alternative options available in terms of subs. The 6 subs yesterday were James O’Donoghue Stephen O’Brien Aidan O’Mahony Darran O’Sullivan Tommy Walsh Donnchadh Walsh 3 if not 4 of those subs could be considered as serious possible options for the half-forward line and you could push it to 5 if you consider where James played in the final. Why offer any hostages to fortune, when you have an iffy ref, especially when you have a decent standard in terms of lads to come in and replace the player in question.
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Post by seamo on Jun 16, 2015 8:01:54 GMT
I actually thought Paul Geaney although he got a goal and a couple of nice points was a bit lethargic yesterday especially defensively, he would have been the first forward I would have subbed in second half. I have loads of time for Paul, think he's a fine player just think BJK could have done with the pitch time more and overall contributed a bit more from play. I wouldn't be harsh on Johnny either, tackling was off yesterday and clearly dropping the ball into the keeper's hands is a deadly sin. The thing was Buckley was already on a yellow plus a ticking from the ref and it wasn't even half-time. Personally I thought the change could have waited until half-time but it does send out a message to the whole squad about what's likely to happen if you have an off day. Another thing that likely influenced the decision was who Fitzmaurice had as alternative options available in terms of subs. The 6 subs yesterday were James O’Donoghue Stephen O’Brien Aidan O’Mahony Darran O’Sullivan Tommy Walsh Donnchadh Walsh 3 if not 4 of those subs could be considered as serious possible options for the half-forward line and you could push it to 5 if you consider where James played in the final. Why offer any hostages to fortune, when you have an iffy ref, especially when you have a decent standard in terms of lads to come in and replace the player in question. Exactly. Having such a strong panel especially amongst the midfield and forwards is completely useless if Eamon and co. weren't to be ruthless and act quick when a player is putting the team at risk of a. losing a man, b. losing the game. Right call to take Buckley off, sends out a message to all players early on in the championship.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 16, 2015 13:10:26 GMT
I thought Lyne was absolutely fantastic and I haven't seen Bryan Sheehan looking as good in years.
I think that Tipperary did OK but their shooting was terrible. A certain other county has been hitting wides for years and I hope that Tipperary don't go that way also.
I have to admit I am clueless enough on football as a whole but on backs I haven't a clue. We are getting a name for cynical play --- this I pooh-poohed always but I have noticed that a lot of our backs hold onto the attacking player for 1-2 seconds. This doesn't pull them down but slows them down just enough. I don't know what we can do exactly to counteract strong running teams: how do other teams stop running teams?
I thought the ref was poor to be fair and the balance of decisions went towards us. However, the ref did not kick all these wides that Tipp did. Tipp were still kicking wides long after the fight was gone from them and I would be interested to see how Tipp would have gotten on if they went up 6-7 points in the first 20 minutes and a few of their shots in the period after our five-point-burst went over.
I was very happy to have a season ticket but I am sorry there were far more than 11,000 at the match. I felt sorry for the Tipp fans: I genuinely thought they would be reeled in but not after they led at half time. I thought our kick-outs were pretty OK.
Regarding the Peter Crowley shoulder --- the man is made of granite. I also felt that Gooch and JOD came in for some attention --- maybe the attention on the Gooch was a bit fairer than that JOD received. The shoulder in the back he received, while not attacking his shoulder, could have given him a different injury and was completely unwarrented. I was amazed when the referee brandished one yellow card. This was the correct decision... has there been suggestions that he booked the wrong man? All in all both Gooch and JOD will be better for the bit of attention.
Regarding Gooch, he made two or three rusty-errors but some of his kick-passing was incredible.
I didn't see Killian Young do a whole pile but since he cleaned up his solo he is harder to recognise! Stephen O'Brien did well enough when he came on and it was good to see him kick a point. KD actually got a free or two yesterday. Sheehan's frees were as good as ever and the two corner forwards showed hunger for their goals.
Lastly I am glad that people were happy with M Geaney's performance. I think like Galvin and D Walsh before him, we need to be patient --- it takes time for the skills to acclimatise to the IC scene.
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Post by jamo on Jun 17, 2015 10:08:21 GMT
Has anyone an update on the Tipperary Junior player that received what looked a serious accidental injury when colliding with Tadhg Morley. Read report on the actual game but no thing on the injured player !!!
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Post by bemane on Jun 17, 2015 14:53:19 GMT
He's okay a brother of Colin oriordan the tipp senior, he was able to watch the senior game
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Post by jamo on Jun 18, 2015 8:44:05 GMT
He's okay a brother of Colin oriordan the tipp senior, he was able to watch the senior game thanks bemane: good to hear that the young man is ok - - looked very serious at the time
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