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Post by animal on Sept 2, 2015 13:00:36 GMT
Who is reffing the replay? Eddie Kinsella.....this could end very badly
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Post by hatchetman on Sept 2, 2015 13:22:09 GMT
Two refs...good plan.
One for Philly and one for all the rest.
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Post by playitfair on Sept 2, 2015 13:51:49 GMT
Who is reffing the replay? Eddie Kinsella.....this could end very badly That's unfair. Eddie Kinsella is one of the best. This would indicate that David Coldrick will referee the all-ireland final.
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Post by animal on Sept 2, 2015 13:57:10 GMT
Eddie Kinsella.....this could end very badly That's unfair. Eddie Kinsella is one of the best. This would indicate that David Coldrick will referee the all-ireland final. Maybe it is unfair but he is a ref I have very little grá for.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 2, 2015 14:33:23 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 2, 2015 14:39:00 GMT
Interesting: “I have no ticket for the replay on Saturday in Dublin. “If anyone reading this has one, I’ll gladly take it. “ I wouldn’t say no if they had two either.” Something tells me he won't need the second ticket for the daughter.
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 2, 2015 14:39:33 GMT
Gonna stick my neck out on this and say Dublin are going to win the replay. I think Mayo missed the boat last day and Dublin will make them pay for it.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 2, 2015 14:41:30 GMT
Those papers are worse to be giving that idiot 'airtime' as it were. So he's a bit of a celebrity in Mayo now over the whole thing. Says a lot about the Mayo people. Its not clear in the article if he needs the two tickets just to accommodate himself
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Post by buck02 on Sept 2, 2015 14:47:40 GMT
Those papers are worse to be giving that idiot 'airtime' as it were. So he's a bit of a celebrity in Mayo now over the whole thing. Says a lot about the Mayo people. Its not clear in the article if he needs the two tickets just to accommodate himself Supermacs on the Ennis Road will surely come up with a pair for him.
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Post by jackiel on Sept 2, 2015 15:36:44 GMT
Gonna stick my neck out on this and say Dublin are going to win the replay. I think Mayo missed the boat last day and Dublin will make them pay for it. Have to say I agree, wish it wasn't so.
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Post by jackiel on Sept 2, 2015 15:38:39 GMT
Interesting: “I have no ticket for the replay on Saturday in Dublin. “If anyone reading this has one, I’ll gladly take it. “ I wouldn’t say no if they had two either.” Something tells me he won't need the second ticket for the daughter. God love that poor young one, it's probably been hell for her and now it's all dragged up again. Photo's and recordings all over the shop. My heart went out to her watching that day.
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Post by augustafield on Sept 2, 2015 18:49:12 GMT
Agree with AWB. Cillian O Connor is grossly overrated. He is not good enough to play for Kerry . Which of our forwards could he possibly replace. The same boyo has form also - red card last year and ROC lasting just three minutes last Sunday. But credit him for that penalty conversion. A miss would have been a millstone around his neck for all time.
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Post by southward on Sept 2, 2015 20:12:50 GMT
Agree with AWB. Cillian O Connor is grossly overrated. He is not good enough to play for Kerry . Which of our forwards could he possibly replace. The same boyo has form also - red card last year and ROC lasting just three minutes last Sunday. But credit him for that penalty conversion. A miss would have been a millstone around his neck for all time. Dunno about that. He did us awful damage last year in both games. Not so hot this year to be sure, but if he turns it on... Don't think it suits him having AOS up front.
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Post by southward on Sept 2, 2015 20:15:56 GMT
Those papers are worse to be giving that idiot 'airtime' as it were. So he's a bit of a celebrity in Mayo now over the whole thing. Says a lot about the Mayo people. Its not clear in the article if he needs the two tickets just to accommodate himself Supermacs on the Ennis Road will surely come up with a pair for him. He'll be their Brand Ambassador.
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Post by seamo on Sept 2, 2015 21:26:19 GMT
Two refs...good plan. One for Philly and one for all the rest. Post of the year candidate!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 22:42:45 GMT
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Post by mayo4sam on Sept 2, 2015 22:48:30 GMT
Agree with AWB. Cillian O Connor is grossly overrated. He is not good enough to play for Kerry . Which of our forwards could he possibly replace. The same boyo has form also - red card last year and ROC lasting just three minutes last Sunday. But credit him for that penalty conversion. A miss would have been a millstone around his neck for all time. Grossly overrated. Get out of it. His form wasnt great coming into the Dublin Match, but he performed when the chips were down, he never missed a free all day. What a penalty with pressure on him. He is a class act and would easily take Sheehans place on the Kerry team all day.
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Post by brucewayne on Sept 2, 2015 22:51:54 GMT
'A bit like a boxing match'
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Post by fitz on Sept 2, 2015 22:53:37 GMT
I predict that Mayo will come through on saturday, due to the fact that if they dont concede an early goal like they did last weekend, then they will grow in confidence. Couple this with cluxton and his poor form, I feel that the cards are now lying well for Mayo. I think that although deserve does not come into match results, they do deserve to be in the final after pushing hard through all the setbacks of the last 4 seasons. It will be interesting to see if there is much of a change in game plan on saturday from either team. You're still feasting in the glory of that bet last weekend D'man
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 23:01:15 GMT
Dublin have been dealt a significant blow with the news that Diarmuid Connolly’s appeal against his proposed one match ban was dismissed by the GAA’s Central Hearings Committee (CHC) tonight.
Reports had suggested the hearing wouldn’t go ahead until this evening but Dublin were in front of the committee to make their case last night.
Connolly was seen to strike Lee Keegan after the pair wrestled on the ground late in the game with Joe McQuillan sending Connolly off for the incident while only booking the Mayo man. Dublin must now decide whether they will take their case to the Central Appeals Committee.
However, it looks likely they will now be without one of their most influential players for Saturday’s replay with the Connacht champions. He top scored for Dublin in the drawn game with a personal tally of 1-2.
It means Connolly is the only player to face any sanction arising from the ill-tempered affair in Croke Park.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 23:05:46 GMT
What Connolly did was no different to COC.
Connolly got caught.
The GAA have it within their power to suspend COC and even things up and be seen to be even handed.
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Post by mayo4sam on Sept 2, 2015 23:10:47 GMT
What Connolly did was no different to COC. Connolly got caught. The GAA have it within their power to suspend COC and even things up and be seen to be even handed. COC strike was an accident. O Sullivan grabbed his hips, o connor put his hands up to the umpires to show what was happening. If it was intentional, he wouldnt be putting his hands upto the umpires.
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Post by fitz on Sept 2, 2015 23:13:05 GMT
I like O'Connor, he's been Young Player of the year 2 years running and All Star last year. He has a steely beak, proven it consistently. Strong, good in the air, good off both feet, good in the tackle. Good carrying the ball. Great free taker, but wouldn't have the distance of Sheehan and Murphy. The one negative that sticks out for me is a stagnancy to create space or run hard lines to make himself available. I find it difficult to compare with Sheehan. Sheehan is simply not a corner forward for me.
I think labelling him "overrated" is quite harsh, given the way Mayo are setting up and now with isolating O'Shea inside. O'Connor didn't seem to have instruction to play off him last week as he was nowhere to be seen.
I like that he has some form too, not that I think he should have got away with that strike on O'Carroll last week, but that he's not willing to put up with bullsh!t and can look after himself.
There's a lot of very positive traits in this guy.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 23:16:13 GMT
Wednesday, September 02, 2015
By Mike Quirke
When I was involved with Kerry, ‘controlled aggression’ was always a mantra we tried to take onto the field.
Of course people strayed from that philosophy at times, but the concept remained an ever present in our dressing room, no matter who was boss or what colour jersey was in front of us. Bomber Liston described it best when he managed my club side Kerins O’Rahillys: you need to be so highly motivated to perform, you are prepared to go right to the point of fighting, but never lose focus and actually fight.
It’s a difficult balance to get right.
Dublin could have done with that same advice on Sunday. They were aggressive, but without any semblance of control. They were physical, but showed no discipline in the tackle or towards the referee.
One without the other is like a Formula One car without brakes, it is fine when you’re speeding down a straight, but you run into serious trouble as soon as you hit the first bend travelling at such speed.
And that bend came too, it came in the shape of Mayo’s dogged refusal to wilt in the same way every other team they have played this year have done.
They were Dublin’s first Division One opponent in championship football since the All-Ireland final of 2013 between the same two sides, and it showed.
It was an action-packed game filled with incident and a steady stream of nastiness. Diarmuid Connolly and Aidan O’Shea as the two respective pack leaders were targeted throughout the 75 minutes with off-the-ball physicality and plenty of verbals. If it was Tyrone or Donegal, there would surely be an inquest into current state of the game.
O’Shea managed to maintain his composure in very testing circumstances, while Connolly didn’t. Connolly eventually succumbed and pays the hefty price next Saturday for his couple of punches when he’s sitting in the Hogan Stand watching the game instead of playing in it.
The first time I came across Mayo’s Aidan O’Shea as a full-forward was an early season national league game in the back end of the last decade on a heavy sod in Tralee’s Austin Stack Park. He was being marked by Tommy Griffin the same day and hardly got a touch. He was young, but couldn’t move back then anywhere close to what he can today, and he sure wasn’t in the same kind of physical shape.
Late in that league game, and for the second time, I was standing on the goal line awaiting a Mayo 45. We were doing a lot of heavy running at the time and there was no juice in the legs by any of us in green and gold.
Mayo had us beaten up a stick – as they often did in league games. I jumped to prevent the score and got my fingertips to the ball as it went over the bar. It was the second time in the match I had got the last touch of the ball from a 45 that led to a Mayo score.
As I was jogging back out to the middle, O’Shea thought he’d be smart and sarcastically thanked me for my two-point scoring contribution to Mayo… “You’re our third highest scorer today big man,” he told me. I looked back at him and started smiling, “it’s more than you *ing managed all game,” I bellowed. He and Tommy G got a fit of laughing. O’Shea didn’t score a point that day and Mayo seemed clueless as to how to best utilise him at the edge of the square. Fast forward a few years to Sunday and Mayo seemed no closer to devising a system of play to take full advantage of his talents.
Far too often, in their willingness to track runners and tackle their way back into a very defensive formation, Mayo were left with no link in the half-forward line. That meant O’Shea was far too isolated when they were attacking and it forced them into kicking aimless ball at him from too deep.
That’s one of key areas Mayo must address this week, keeping a presence between their attacking 45 and 65 and getting support to him quicker when he wins the ball. Small tweaks, but with the potential for a big impact on the replay. Declan O’Sullivan used to run that line for Kerry, over and back across the field, holding his depth and not getting sucked down into the mix. He was the out-ball for defenders racing from the back with possession and he was the link to the full-forward line. Mayo lacked that link guy.
The other stick being used to beat Mayo with since the weekend has been their approach to their kick-out defence against Cluxton. It was obviously a tactical decision to allow Dublin the short kick-out to a corner back, and I felt it was quite clever to start the game that way so as to take the sting out of their restarts. They chose to block out the zones closer to the 45 where Cluxton loves to target.
Mayo flooded bodies into the middle and effectively clogged up the running lanes that Dublin’s midfielders and half-forwards like to burst into. When Dublin get the ball directly to that area of the pitch from the goalkeeper, you’re in big trouble. That’s when they get support runners exploding off the shoulder and they’re off, creating scoring chances within seconds of the restart. As Kerry have done in the past, Mayo tried to identify who they felt was the poorest ball player in that Dublin full- back line and allow him to receive the short kick-out, then press him hard if he tried coming out. Michael Fitzsimmons seemed the man Mayo were most comfortable allowing to receive the goal kick; he being the least comfortable ball player out of Jonny Cooper or Philly McMahon. It was an interesting tactic and one that was effective in slowing down Dublin time and again. I counted 18 kick-outs from Cluxton, with nine of them going right back to the goalkeeper after one pass.
That forced Dublin’s build up to be more ponderous and should have allowed Mayo the time to get organised in defence. But, even with all the extra-time and bodies they afforded themselves defensively, Mayo still presented Dublin with too many one-on-one opportunities at the other end; Ciaran Kilkenny’s eyes in particular lit up in the first-half each time he was isolated with one defender to beat.
Again, if Mayo are to learn anything from their set-up last weekend: it is a pointless exercise having men back there unless they know their specific role. That takes time, and this was their first real attempt at playing such a structured defence. But marking space at this level is a waste of energy; covering defenders must affect the decision-making of the guy in possession of the ball, by getting in a tackle or double teaming an inside-forward or doing something. Mayo had plenty of bodies back, but they lacked any real purpose.
The success Mayo enjoyed when they pressed up hard on the Dublin kick-outs in the last 10 minutes was due to a number of mitigating factors. The Dublin players looked jaded, McCauley was gone, Bastick soon followed, Fenton was done, and most unusually, Cluxton looked as rattled as we’ve ever seen him. His decision making became erratic and the nervousness he displayed rapidly spread throughout his teammates, and suddenly their composure was gone. Mayo simply wouldn’t stop coming at them.
They should have been dead and buried at seven points down, but this Mayo team have a special character.
In fairness to referee Joe McQuillan and his team of officials – who, collectively I felt, handled the game poorly, by allowing the hostility to escalate and not stamping his authority on it early in the match – it was an extremely difficult game to officiate. Players can smell weakness in a referee and will push the boundaries if they feel they will can get away with it. In the second-half it had run away from him, and as temperatures soared, it was like McQuillan was trying to stop an out of control forest fire with a water pistol.
The rules of engagement were set for the players from the opening exchanges. Shoot first, and shoot often. Next Saturday, both teams will be armed with Gatling guns, in a match that is almost impossible to call. But possible suspensions to key Dublin players, and greater scope for improvement by Mayo could just see them sneak into the final.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 23:21:33 GMT
Maybe I am totally misreading the situation but Dublin looked a lot better than Mayo and Dublin had at least two passengers.... Flynn and MDMA. Neither should start on Saturday.
Cormac Costello wasn't even in the 26.
They ended the game with 14 men and without a midfield.
They one concern for Dublin is that they don't have ready made replacements in the half forward line for Flynn and Connolly.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 23:22:14 GMT
What Connolly did was no different to COC. Connolly got caught. The GAA have it within their power to suspend COC and even things up and be seen to be even handed. COC strike was an accident. O Sullivan grabbed his hips, o connor put his hands up to the umpires to show what was happening. If it was intentional, he wouldnt be putting his hands upto the umpires. Grand so!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 23:27:56 GMT
02/09/2015 | 20:14 THE GAA's Central Hearings Committee have confirmed that Dublin hurler Liam Rushe will have his two-match ban reduced.
Rushe had a two-match ban commuted to a single game after the Central Competition Control Committee agreed in front of the CHC that the Palmerstown man should be penalised for striking with minimal force.
Rushe received the penalty during Dublin's All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Waterford for striking Maurice Shanahan - the Dubs lost the game to 2-12 to 1-19 in Thurles before Kilkenny forced Deise's exit at the semi-final stages.
In a statement released by the GAA this evening the Committee explained their reasoning for the refused overturn.
"It was noted that CCCC accepted that the video evidence produced was sufficiently compelling to show that the Infraction as alleged was not proven but submitted that the facts proven disclosed an infraction less serious than that alleged in the Notice of Disciplinary Action, that is to say striking with the hurley with minimal force."
Dublin County Board was also slapped with a €6,500 fine, along with Armagh after both sides lost their appeal for a charge of disruptive behaviour in a challenge match during the summer.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2015 23:29:29 GMT
And there I was thinking that striking was striking no matter what force was used
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Post by fitz on Sept 2, 2015 23:30:34 GMT
I like O'Connor, he's been Young Player of the year 2 years running and All Star last year. He has a steely beak, proven it consistently. Strong, good in the air, good off both feet, good in the tackle. Good carrying the ball. Great free taker, but wouldn't have the distance of Sheehan and Murphy. The one negative that sticks out for me is a stagnancy to create space or run hard lines to make himself available. I find it difficult to compare with Sheehan. Sheehan is simply not a corner forward for me. I think labelling him "overrated" is quite harsh, given the way Mayo are setting up and now with isolating O'Shea inside. O'Connor didn't seem to have instruction to play off him last week as he was nowhere to be seen. I like that he has some form too, not that I think he should have got away with that strike on O'Carroll last week, but that he's not willing to put up with bullsh!t and can look after himself. There's a lot of very positive traits in this guy. Actually as I was falling over myself praising him I neglected to mention he doesn't have great speed especially going from standing. Gooch and James have that explosion. Rather than comparing with Sheahan, Paul Geaney seems a closer matchup for position and style. Let's be hearing views on that pairing
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 2, 2015 23:30:56 GMT
Maybe I am totally misreading the situation but Dublin looked a lot better than Mayo and Dublin had at least two passengers.... Flynn and MDMA. Neither should start on Saturday. Cormac Costello wasn't even in the 26. They ended the game with 14 men and without a midfield. They one concern for Dublin is that they don't have ready made replacements in the half forward line for Flynn and Connolly. I didn't think Dublin looked much better, maybe marginally. When Mayo got it back to two, then had a few wides from play, then Dublin scored a goal against the run of play and Mayo's heads dropped. Dublin got goals at crucial times, one of which was an undeserved penalty.
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