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Post by fitz on Sept 2, 2015 23:35:14 GMT
Maybe I am totally misreading the situation but Dublin looked a lot better than Mayo and Dublin had at least two passengers.... Flynn and MDMA. Neither should start on Saturday. Cormac Costello wasn't even in the 26. They ended the game with 14 men and without a midfield. They one concern for Dublin is that they don't have ready made replacements in the half forward line for Flynn and Connolly. Yeah, I don't know what Costello has done wrong, think he's a very dangerous forward. Maybe he's been answering back Philly or not walking same's pit-bulls.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Sept 3, 2015 3:50:03 GMT
Those papers are worse to be giving that idiot 'airtime' as it were. So he's a bit of a celebrity in Mayo now over the whole thing. Says a lot about the Mayo people.Its not clear in the article if he needs the two tickets just to accommodate himself Would you care to reconsider the sentence in bold? It seems rather unbecoming of the forum. Such unhappy souls are everywhere. I witnessed one of our own being asked to leave Ardán Uí hÓgáin by the Gardaí during the drawn semi in 2008, such was the level of his belligerence. Does Fr. Neil Horan's interruption of the Olympic Marathon (and generous airtime) say as much about the Kerry people? People is people, no matter what county or country they hail from.
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Post by stevieq on Sept 3, 2015 4:42:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 5:35:27 GMT
While he was clearly provoked and i have sympathy for him, at the end of the day he was on top of Keegan punching him. On that basis, it was hard to see how he could get off. Having said that keane managed to escape for the most blatant punch.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2015 5:36:38 GMT
Those papers are worse to be giving that idiot 'airtime' as it were. So he's a bit of a celebrity in Mayo now over the whole thing. Says a lot about the Mayo people.Its not clear in the article if he needs the two tickets just to accommodate himself Would you care to reconsider the sentence in bold? It seems rather unbecoming of the forum. Such unhappy souls are everywhere. I witnessed one of our own being asked to leave Ardán Uí hÓgáin by the Gardaí during the drawn semi in 2008, such was the level of his belligerence. Does Fr. Neil Horan's interruption of the Olympic Marathon (and generous airtime) say as much about the Kerry people? People is people, no matter what county or country they hail from. But are we (with respect to the man's obvious mental difficulties) not embarrassed by Fr Horan's activities? One and All? Yet this pillock, by all evidence I have seen (FB comments etc), is almost revered in Mayo. There is a difference.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2015 5:39:47 GMT
It was I who brought up Bryan Sheehan as a contrast to COC. Yes he not considered a corner forward (at this time), but if you have a corner forward (COC) who does little but take frees, why not employ the best in the business?
I don't think COC would get near the Kerry team.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2015 5:48:06 GMT
Oh and considering that today is Thursday, and considering that DC did not get off, and assuming that Dublin thought he would get off (and prepared appropriately), all of the things I said earlier about appealing bans, especially within earshot of the next match, applies and so I am confidently predicting a Mayo victory.
If we see this happen perhaps we will begin to see an end to people clamouring for appeals for Kerry players who receive just penalties for their transgressions.
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Post by donegalman on Sept 3, 2015 7:31:40 GMT
I think there could be extra time on Saturday. Pity we wont see Connolly on the pitch. In fairness, they are taking it very well. I suppose Dublin see no point in appealing and there is nothing else for it except to just get on with it.
Yes I am still glorying about the drawn result, I called the munster final too, I am just sharing the love here, not much fun going to the bookies on your own to collect winnings.
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Post by playitfair on Sept 3, 2015 7:40:53 GMT
I think Connolly not playing will push Dublin on to win the match. I think Mayo do not have the forwards (Certainly didn't last Sinday) to win especially if they decide to plough on with Aidan O'Shea full forward. He's just not a full forward.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 3, 2015 8:17:21 GMT
In 2008 Darragh got sent off in the drawn game, an unlikely come-back by Cork led to a draw and Darragh was suspended for the replay which Kerry won. Darragh was able to play in the final - and we lost.
I wonder did Connolly's form come into it. They let him off the hook in 2011 (maybe because the mindset back then was it would be good for the game for Dublin to win the All Ireland). They could hardly let him off the hook again.
Funny how the Dublin hurler was also banned for their 1st game in Championship 2016 yesterday. It makes the Keane decision even more farcical.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2015 8:34:21 GMT
In 2008 Darragh got sent off in the drawn game, an unlikely come-back by Cork led to a draw and Darragh was suspended for the replay which Kerry won. Darragh was able to play in the final - and we lost. I wonder did Connolly's form come into it. They let him off the hook in 2011 (maybe because the mindset back then was it would be good for the game for Dublin to win the All Ireland). They could hardly let him off the hook again.
Funny how the Dublin hurler was also banned for their 1st game in Championship 2016 yesterday. It makes the Keane decision even more farcical. Dublin usually have to go about 10 years without an All Ireland before the "Dublin needs an All Ireland" sentiment kicks in and when this happens you might as well give up for that year.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 3, 2015 8:47:52 GMT
In 2008 Darragh got sent off in the drawn game, an unlikely come-back by Cork led to a draw and Darragh was suspended for the replay which Kerry won. Darragh was able to play in the final - and we lost. I wonder did Connolly's form come into it. They let him off the hook in 2011 (maybe because the mindset back then was it would be good for the game for Dublin to win the All Ireland). They could hardly let him off the hook again.
Funny how the Dublin hurler was also banned for their 1st game in Championship 2016 yesterday. It makes the Keane decision even more farcical. Dublin usually have to go about 10 years without an All Ireland before the "Dublin needs an All Ireland" sentiment kicks in and when this happens you might as well give up for that year. Yeah Mickmack but its Rugby World Cup year. If Ireland get to the semi final it will see hoardes of youngsters heading for the rugby pitches instead of the GAA pitches in Dublin. So I'd say it will be high on the agenda again this year.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 3, 2015 9:32:04 GMT
There is very little excitement for the rugby world cup so far. Considering it is a few weeks away there is little excitement. Compared to Zuid Afrika where the hype has gone from madness to full out lunacy. Kind of like the lack of hype for the hurling All Ireland this Sunday. It's almost like it isn't happening at all. All the focus seems to be on Dublin v Mayo and the cards and who did what and who should get a card and who should be let off and so on and so on. In my opinion Jim Gavin is a shrewder manager than Holmes and I would expect them to do the necessary in training. Dublin will be set up differently, also out of necessity, whereas Mayo's team selection seems to suggest they are staring with the same plan again. They have shown that when they throw the kitchen sink at Dublin and have Andy and Barry Moran on they are a much better animal and can overwhelm Dublin. As has been pointed out before I still think the jury is out on Cillian O'Connor. Got a penalty and 9 frees, but did not create a lot of scoring chances. I still think he needs a real full forward to make it hard for defences as he is easily held scoreless by defenders. Dublin gave away a lot of frees, an unsustainable amount of frees, all within scoring range. I'm convinced that Kerry, or most of the top teams in Ireland, won't make that mistake. Dublin also didn't contest the frees. If a man takes a free the task for defenders is to make themselves as large as possible and plant doubt in the head of the freetaker. Aidan does well in full forward, but is not a freetaker. He has a tendency of barging into his marker each time he wins the ball. He wins a lot of ball aimlessly kicked towards him (where have we heard that before), but he is no Donaghy. He was held scoreless by Dublin and came close a few times to be carded or even worse. His whole strategy in full forward seems to winning ball and run straight at the goal, flattening everyone in his path. Dublin have a much more dangerous weapon in Dean Rock in my opinion and the exclusion of Connolly makes way for others to shine. I expect Dublin to come out on top unless Holmes has learned the right lessons and attacks Dublin. Their defence has been leaking all year and hasn't really been tested still. Dublin racked up big scores, but it was all out attack and little defence. They just didn't have to defend as their opponents weren't of the calibre of Mayo. I'm still convinced that a more cynical attacking team will take advantage of the panic defence used by Dublin. Like all other county teams Dublin are experimenting with zonal defence and defending the D, but they haven't the experience in it yet and look there for the taking. Dublin have gone just as defensive and cynical as the teams they constantly criticise for having ruined football. I almost agree with Dermot that it is unfair of the media to single out Tyrone, but not Dublin. Dublin use the same negative tactics as the others if they have to, but are not criticised for it the way Tyrone or Donegal are. ironically Donegal do a lot more attacking this year and play much more attractive football. Dublin played some lovely football this year, but only when playing minnows. When they were playing top teams they were just as obsesses with systems as we all seem to be now. I still think Dublin by 2 because of Gavin being better at homework.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2015 9:33:39 GMT
Dublin usually have to go about 10 years without an All Ireland before the "Dublin needs an All Ireland" sentiment kicks in and when this happens you might as well give up for that year. Yeah Mickmack but its Rugby World Cup year. If Ireland get to the semi final it will see hoardes of youngsters heading for the rugby pitches instead of the GAA pitches in Dublin. So I'd say it will be high on the agenda again this year. Ah lads ye are not at this rubbish again are ye? If Mayo men were at this I'd be laughing my head off. Ye honestly think there is some big conspiracy? GAA attendances are up pretty much year-on-year --- this is tinfoil hat stuff IMO.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 3, 2015 9:43:06 GMT
Yeah Mickmack but its Rugby World Cup year. If Ireland get to the semi final it will see hoardes of youngsters heading for the rugby pitches instead of the GAA pitches in Dublin. So I'd say it will be high on the agenda again this year. Ah lads ye are not at this rubbish again are ye? If Mayo men were at this I'd be laughing my head off. Ye honestly think there is some big conspiracy? GAA attendances are up pretty much year-on-year --- this is tinfoil hat stuff IMO. Bit tongue in cheek really. I'd say the agenda this year is for Mayo to win it
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Post by fitz on Sept 3, 2015 9:44:23 GMT
A lad I worked with before the demolition quarter final against Dublin that they were due an AI. I still can't fathom that statement. Anyway a bit of a lighthearted nuts digression. Watched on RTE 2 last night a documentary on a pride of lions in Africa. Pretty raw stuff re:survival etc. Anyway near the end there was a sequence where collectively they take down an elephant. In the dream machine of kip last night I swore the elephant had a red and green jersey and the lions two or three on his back in blue and navy and one lad in same coloured attire down round the legs,the snaky fella, no prizes for who he represented. I woke up before he was due to be dragged to the ground.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 3, 2015 11:39:05 GMT
A lad I worked with before the demolition quarter final against Dublin that they were due an AI. I still can't fathom that statement. Anyway a bit of a lighthearted nuts digression. Watched on RTE 2 last night a documentary on a pride of lions in Africa. Pretty raw stuff re:survival etc. Anyway near the end there was a sequence where collectively they take down an elephant. In the dream machine of kip last night I swore the elephant had a red and green jersey and the lions two or three on his back in blue and navy and one lad in same coloured attire down round the legs,the snaky fella, no prizes for who he represented. I woke up before he was due to be dragged to the ground. Thats an elepha story Fitzwop ... Did you actually see Achill lol
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 3, 2015 11:40:40 GMT
Dublin by the decades for those who like numbers (AI Finals) 1890's - P7W6L1 1900's - P6W5L1 1910's - P0 1920's - P5W3L2 1930's - P1L1 1940's - P1W1 1950's - P2W1L1 1960's - P1W1 1970's - P6W3L3 1980's - P3W1L2 1990's - P3W1L2 2000's - P0 Trying to get to their third final of the 2010's already
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 3, 2015 11:53:50 GMT
In contrast - Mayo are trying to get to their third final this decade (half way) a feat they have never achieved before.They made two finals in the 30's, 50's, 90's and noughties.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 3, 2015 13:13:26 GMT
Dublin by the decades for those who like numbers (AI Finals) 1890's - P7W6L1 1900's - P6W5L1 1910's - P0 1920's - P5W3L2 1930's - P1L1 1940's - P1W1 1950's - P2W1L1 1960's - P1W1 1970's - P6W3L3 1980's - P3W1L2 1990's - P3W1L2 2000's - P0 Trying to get to their third final of the 2010's already I didn't realise so many of Dublin's victories were early on. In the last 80 years Dublin have 10 All Irelands and Kerry have 31.
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Post by fitz on Sept 3, 2015 16:49:56 GMT
Seriously - could someone explain the potential discourse differentials re: Connolly appeal
1) CCCC - appeal overturned. "Get thee away, take your punishment". 2) Now CAC tonight - now what will be in the brain matter of the hearing committee that would not be in 1) - is it an interpretative judiciary, or is there any rules/laws - although that is a naïve statement given the boyos who have skipped free from Sunday. "I hear ya Diarmo, but jaysis did you have to throw the digs, the hands are tied" 3) IF the DRA get involved if 2 fails - wtf else would they have to discuss that 1) and 2) haven't exhausted?
DRA - Diarmo don't mind that shower of numbnuts - see this here hoy! this is the golden gavel, it belongs in my hand. Of course you can play Saturday lad. Away home and get rest, good movie on later as well on TV3.
I dunno te fcuk
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Post by jackeensabhog on Sept 3, 2015 17:22:22 GMT
Seriously - could someone explain the potential discourse differentials re: Connolly appeal 1) CCCC - appeal overturned. "Get thee away, take your punishment". 2) Now CAC tonight - now what will be in the brain matter of the hearing committee that would not be in 1) - is it an interpretative judiciary, or is there any rules/laws - although that is a naïve statement given the boyos who have skipped free from Sunday. "I hear ya Diarmo, but jaysis did you have to throw the digs, the hands are tied" 3) IF the DRA get involved if 2 fails - wtf else would they have to discuss that 1) and 2) haven't exhausted? DRA - Diarmo don't mind that shower of numbnuts - see this here hoy! this is the golden gavel, it belongs in my hand. Of course you can play Saturday lad. Away home and get rest, good movie on later as well on TV3. I dunno te fcuk No one can explain the DRA or CCCC. Striking is supposed to mean a ban. But the clip below adds a bit more context to it. Looks like there's an initial slap to the Connolly's face and blocking before they wrestle www.joe.ie/sport/video-fan-captures-the-clearest-footage-yet-of-diarmuid-connollys-bust-up-with-lee-keegan/510234
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 3, 2015 17:31:46 GMT
Dublin by the decades for those who like numbers (AI Finals) 1890's - P7W6L1 1900's - P6W5L1 1910's - P0 1920's - P5W3L2 1930's - P1L1 1940's - P1W1 1950's - P2W1L1 1960's - P1W1 1970's - P6W3L3 1980's - P3W1L2 1990's - P3W1L2 2000's - P0 Trying to get to their third final of the 2010's already I didn't realise so many of Dublin's victories were early on. In the last 80 years Dublin have 10 All Irelands and Kerry have 31. Absolutely - or put another way Dublin have only won the Sam Maguire Cup ten times as 14 of their victories came before the cup was firs presented. Their victories came at a time when people rarely travelled back home to their county of origin as the working week was 5.5/6 days.
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Post by stevieq on Sept 3, 2015 17:36:47 GMT
I think Connolly not playing will push Dublin on to win the match. I think Mayo do not have the forwards (Certainly didn't last Sinday) to win especially if they decide to plough on with Aidan O'Shea full forward. He's just not a full forward. Inter County Management 101 - get your best player sent off and miss the next match to spur on the rest of your guys to win it. Sorry, can't see the logic. He's going to be a huge loss for them which is saying a lot about the absense of leaders on show . To be honest the replay if as tough to call as the last day. Who do we want to meet in the final? Does it matter? Would the pleasure in seeing us put the Dubs to the sword out weigh the pain of possible defeat to them. Would losing Mayo be less hard to take?
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 3, 2015 20:31:32 GMT
Seriously - could someone explain the potential discourse differentials re: Connolly appeal 1) CCCC - appeal overturned. "Get thee away, take your punishment". 2) Now CAC tonight - now what will be in the brain matter of the hearing committee that would not be in 1) - is it an interpretative judiciary, or is there any rules/laws - although that is a naïve statement given the boyos who have skipped free from Sunday. "I hear ya Diarmo, but jaysis did you have to throw the digs, the hands are tied" 3) IF the DRA get involved if 2 fails - wtf else would they have to discuss that 1) and 2) haven't exhausted? DRA - Diarmo don't mind that shower of numbnuts - see this here hoy! this is the golden gavel, it belongs in my hand. Of course you can play Saturday lad. Away home and get rest, good movie on later as well on TV3. I dunno te fcuk That is a very inaccurate analysis of the DRA...i have never known TV3 to have anything good on.
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Post by southward on Sept 3, 2015 20:32:09 GMT
I think Connolly not playing will push Dublin on to win the match. I think Mayo do not have the forwards (Certainly didn't last Sinday) to win especially if they decide to plough on with Aidan O'Shea full forward. He's just not a full forward. Inter County Management 101 - get your best player sent off and miss the next match to spur on the rest of your guys to win it. Sorry, can't see the logic. He's going to be a huge loss for them which is saying a lot about the absense of leaders on show . To be honest the replay if as tough to call as the last day. Who do we want to meet in the final? Does it matter? Would the pleasure in seeing us put the Dubs to the sword out weigh the pain of possible defeat to them. Would losing Mayo be less hard to take? Not to me. It's all about winning the thing and we've nothing to prove against any particular opponent.
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 3, 2015 20:52:41 GMT
Inter County Management 101 - get your best player sent off and miss the next match to spur on the rest of your guys to win it. Sorry, can't see the logic. He's going to be a huge loss for them which is saying a lot about the absense of leaders on show . To be honest the replay if as tough to call as the last day. Who do we want to meet in the final? Does it matter? Would the pleasure in seeing us put the Dubs to the sword out weigh the pain of possible defeat to them. Would losing Mayo be less hard to take? Not to me. It's all about winning the thing and we've nothing to prove against any particular opponent. I'm inclined to agree. A final is a final agenda or no agenda. People say that meeting the Dubs would be a chance for revenge. I doubt the players are of that mindframe. It might give the odd supporter more sásamh in the watering holes after but regardless of the opponent the holy grail remains the same for the players.
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 3, 2015 21:21:19 GMT
I recall a Darragh O Sé interview in the aftermath of either the 08 or 09 final. The interviewee basically went down the road of saying Tyrone had the hex on us in Croke Park and we had the hex on the likes of Cork in Croker. Darragh responded by saying that some day that would change and Kerry would have Tyrone's measure at some stage in HQ. Likewise he said Cork will one day have their day. Ditto Mayo. I hope his theory doesn't prove right twice in the same year!!
The problem with Tyrone is that they don't always dine at the top table consistently. They tend to disappear into the sunset so it's hard to have a cut off them regularly. Which is why I admire Mayo and their resilience. They are there or thereabouts every year. But you'd wonder for how long more if this particular squad of players don't bring home the dough.
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Post by fitz on Sept 3, 2015 22:06:57 GMT
Seriously - could someone explain the potential discourse differentials re: Connolly appeal 1) CCCC - appeal overturned. "Get thee away, take your punishment". 2) Now CAC tonight - now what will be in the brain matter of the hearing committee that would not be in 1) - is it an interpretative judiciary, or is there any rules/laws - although that is a naïve statement given the boyos who have skipped free from Sunday. "I hear ya Diarmo, but jaysis did you have to throw the digs, the hands are tied" 3) IF the DRA get involved if 2 fails - wtf else would they have to discuss that 1) and 2) haven't exhausted? DRA - Diarmo don't mind that shower of numbnuts - see this here hoy! this is the golden gavel, it belongs in my hand. Of course you can play Saturday lad. Away home and get rest, good movie on later as well on TV3. I dunno te fcuk That is a very inaccurate analysis of the DRA...i have never known TV3 to have anything good on. The worst kind of nitpicking
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2015 22:59:54 GMT
Good night folks
When I wake up I expect to be reading about DC being cleared to play against Mayo.
The meeting is going on now for about 3 hours and the longer it goes on the better his chances of getting off.
If COC isn't suspended then DC shouldn't be either
The one man that should be suspended is Johnny Cooper but the rules dont allow that as he got a yellow on the day
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