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Post by jackeensabhog on Jul 14, 2015 9:46:28 GMT
Even though they have sauntered through their province once again, it is still to early to assess how Dublin are shaping up. They look fantastic. They are a great unit. But in fairness, you cant judge them on what they have played so far. Longford were miserable in the extreme, a division 4 team. Kildare rolled over after 5 minutes. They literally did. Westmeath put it up to them for about 25 minutes, and they showed good resolve until the goals went in. But they were never going to stay within 10 points of Dublin imo. So what should we say about them on the limited evidence that we have of them so far? Connolly is the main switch of the team. Kilkenny likewise is going to be a key man this year for them. If you can stop both these players from getting the space, and that means an inch of space, then you might have a chance against them, as MDMA is their only other play maker, and he is not as consistent as he was 2 years ago. The Brogans and Rock need the ball handed to them in order to be dangerous. If they have to go deep to get it, they are limited. They are still the team to beat, but no team should go in and think that they have zero chance against them. Dublin got an absolute flyer against us last year. This will not happen if we should meet them again this year. likewise, they will not get caught on the counter the way they did in the same game, so we should get an almost blank canvas to work on in terms of what to expect. Should Mayo or Kerry meet Dublin, I would expect their mid field to really put it up to Dublin and beat them there, and couple this with constantly pushing up on Cluxton, you could have a very interesting afternoon on your hands. The notion that Dublin are a shoe in for the all ireland is folly. I would not see value in backing them at even money. The big value is in Mayo at 8/1. I would agree with most of the above. Brogan and rock certainly need good ball. Another element is the likes of McCaffrey and macmanamon running at the defences. This can be very effective, especially with support runners (a la donegal). I don't know why Dublin don't do this more often and cut out the lateral *e. However, I expect they are not showing there full hand yet.
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Post by donegalman on Jul 14, 2015 11:28:52 GMT
Agree Jackeen, I think dublin are definitely not showing all. They probably are benefiting from challenge games at this stage rather than the provincial championship. I also think that they are practicing running formations, and perhaps 3 different varieties of them. Ball handling skills have really gone through the roof the last few years. To do this consistently for 70 minutes in a close game is very different to doing it for 15 to 20 minutes before the game is out of reach. I think that is the key if you want to have any chance against Dublin ie not give up, and definitely not to leak a goal in the first half no mater what. Pushing up on Cluxton to force him long would ask questions of the Dublin mid field. A few things to think about before the year is over.
The big difficulty for teams is that in order to beat dublin, you will have to really peak your years training and preparation for this fixture. To do this 2 times in a row is a fairly serious ask.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 14, 2015 11:35:28 GMT
To win the All-Ireland, Dublin may have to beat Cork/Kerry, Mayo and then Kerry/Cork/Donegal in the Final. That's as much a task facing any team left right now.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 14, 2015 12:59:22 GMT
All the talk about Dublin is bit infuriating, they are not the All Ireland Champions. every year we have the same rubbish. They are walking through Leinster because there is no other team in Leinster Let see how Tipp do against Tyrone, i for one think they will beat Tyrone easily, that will be another reflection on leinster teams, Meath, Westmeath, Kildare..
Kerry, Donegal, Mayo, Dublin and Cork, any one of these teams can beat the other on any given day. There is very little in it,
The Dubs are completely over hyped again like every year,
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 14, 2015 13:13:55 GMT
The Dubs are completely over hyped again like every year, ...and long may it last!!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2015 12:27:01 GMT
Eugene McGee
Published 13/07/2015
Despite what many people say to the contrary, the GAA is not inhabited by people of a devious nature but the events that took place last Thursday week at a challenge game in DCU between two of the highest profile teams in the country - Dublin and Armagh - could aptly be described in that manner.
Some very unsavoury behaviour took place about which rumours more than solid information leaked out to the national media. But what is a fact is that Dublin player Davey Byrne suffered serious facial and head injuries and was detained in hospital for two nights afterwards.
This game was under the control of an official referee on the inter-county list of referees therefore one could reasonably expect that the incidents which took place, prior to the throw-in I might add, would be reported according to GAA rules and the culprit or culprits would be listed in the referee's report.
That did not happen and, according to the grapevine, an overworked aspect of GAA life, that is the end of the story. Move on, nothing more to see folks!
This is a truly extraordinary result to what happened. After all, a Dublin player was assaulted in a violent manner, the player involved is well known; presumably, the incident was seen by several other people who were there despite the game being a so-called 'behind-closed-doors' game.
So why has everybody run for cover? No person in the GAA that I have heard of has made any comment on the sorry affair other than a politician-style interview given by Jim Gavin to Newstalk that managed to answer the same question about six times without giving a straight answer.
And for once after a controversy Kieran McGeeney has remained totally quiet. How do ordinary Dublin GAA people think about behaviour which saw one of their leading county footballers assaulted before a game and put into hospital for two nights yet absolutely no punishment of any kind is being imposed?
And what does that say about Fair Play, a concept of which the GAA at national level is now trying to promote universally around Ireland and something that is badly needed to protect the image of the Association?
This incident stinks to high hell and will stay that way for some time if, as seems likely, no further action takes place.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2015 12:27:54 GMT
Twas hardly Joe McQuillin was it!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2015 12:46:50 GMT
GAA President Aogán Ó Fearghail says there is an obligation on anyone with information pertaining to the incident which saw Davey Byrne hospitalised to come forward and co-operate with the CCCC's investigation.
Conor McKeon – 15 July 2015 EVEVING HERALD
"I think they have an obligation, I'm not sure if I'd use the word moral, but I'd certainly say an obligation," Ó Fearghail (pictured left) stated.
"I'm not aware of what evidence is there but if an incident happened somebody most have some information and there is definitely an obligation on people then to co-operate with any investigation that may followed that."
Speaking after his team's All-Ireland SFC exit to Galway, Armagh manager Kieran McGeeney stated: "Most of the stuff that's reported was nothing near the truth of what happened so you just have to leave it behind and move on," though he is likely to be asked now, via the Orchard county board, by the CCCC as to the events of the match.
"I think if something happens that is against our rules and regulations that it should be dealt with it," Ó Fearghail added.
"You can't gently hit someone or you can't hit him a wee bit, if a strike takes place it takes place.
"To me that wouldn't be the absolute reason for it, to me what would be important is that if it has occurred it should be dealt with and all the evidence should be gathered and I would expect our CCC to do that."
"I wouldn't be comfortable as an Uachtarán of an Association that had games behind closed doors," he added.
"I don't like that idea, I don't think that's healthy and I don't think there was a game behind closed doors.
"It was a game that permission was sought for, permission happened, there seems to be evidence that an incident occurred and I would expect now that that's properly dealt with, that's my belief," he concluded.
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Post by donegalman on Jul 15, 2015 20:26:55 GMT
Fergal Kelly must have done a good job in the minor final. The fact that I cant remember anything outstanding about his performance means he must have done a good job. Lot of pressure on refs in his situation, but still doesnt excuse not reporting what happened. If it means that you are ruling yourself out of big games in the future, then so be it. What is the point in playing games if this is what it is about anymore.
Big game this weekend for us. I would absolutely be sick if we lost it, because of the route that is in store if we do. I think that Monaghan are expecting to play us on blanket terms alone, they have never played us playing any other style in recent history. The league game in letterkenny marked our departure from the 100% blanket defense system, and I feel that they could be in for a surprise on sunday. Lots will depend on Coldrick. He could be a very busy man, hopefully he is, and is so early rather than later in the game. I would see Murphy being a key man with his frees once more. McFadden is enhoying life out the field this season, and the freedom is suiting him very well, as opposed to being double marked in the corner. That is what is happening mcbrearty instead. But he is young and bullish, and will be able for 70 minutes of this.
I can see a wide selection of scorers on the score sheet on sunday. I also think that this is where we may have the upper hand on monaghan. They will be up for this game like madmen. I hope we win, but cant see their being anything more than a point or 2 either way in the end. a draw would be an absolute disaster for us in terms of our hopes for the rest of the year.
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Post by southward on Jul 15, 2015 21:26:32 GMT
Fergal Kelly must have done a good job in the minor final. The fact that I cant remember anything outstanding about his performance means he must have done a good job. Lot of pressure on refs in his situation, but still doesnt excuse not reporting what happened. If it means that you are ruling yourself out of big games in the future, then so be it. What is the point in playing games if this is what it is about anymore. Big game this weekend for us. I would absolutely be sick if we lost it, because of the route that is in store if we do. I think that Monaghan are expecting to play us on blanket terms alone, they have never played us playing any other style in recent history. The league game in letterkenny marked our departure from the 100% blanket defense system, and I feel that they could be in for a surprise on sunday. Lots will depend on Coldrick. He could be a very busy man, hopefully he is, and is so early rather than later in the game. I would see Murphy being a key man with his frees once more. McFadden is enhoying life out the field this season, and the freedom is suiting him very well, as opposed to being double marked in the corner. That is what is happening mcbrearty instead. But he is young and bullish, and will be able for 70 minutes of this. I can see a wide selection of scorers on the score sheet on sunday. I also think that this is where we may have the upper hand on monaghan. They will be up for this game like madmen. I hope we win, but cant see their being anything more than a point or 2 either way in the end. a draw would be an absolute disaster for us in terms of our hopes for the rest of the year. Maybe he just didn't see it? Could have happened in the jacks for all we know. What would he have to report in that situation? Why would a draw be a disaster for ye? No harm in an extra game to bridge the gap to the Q/Fs. Especially as Armagh didn't really put it up to ye. If Kerry get through on Saturday, the draw will have been a Godsend; we're always rusty in the quarters when we win Munster. Actually, we were lucky that we didn't face any world beaters at that stage in the past few years, no disrespect to them.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 15, 2015 21:26:59 GMT
Fergal Kelly must have done a good job in the minor final. The fact that I cant remember anything outstanding about his performance means he must have done a good job. Lot of pressure on refs in his situation, but still doesnt excuse not reporting what happened. If it means that you are ruling yourself out of big games in the future, then so be it. What is the point in playing games if this is what it is about anymore. Big game this weekend for us. I would absolutely be sick if we lost it, because of the route that is in store if we do. I think that Monaghan are expecting to play us on blanket terms alone, they have never played us playing any other style in recent history. The league game in letterkenny marked our departure from the 100% blanket defense system, and I feel that they could be in for a surprise on sunday. Lots will depend on Coldrick. He could be a very busy man, hopefully he is, and is so early rather than later in the game. I would see Murphy being a key man with his frees once more. McFadden is enhoying life out the field this season, and the freedom is suiting him very well, as opposed to being double marked in the corner. That is what is happening mcbrearty instead. But he is young and bullish, and will be able for 70 minutes of this. I can see a wide selection of scorers on the score sheet on sunday. I also think that this is where we may have the upper hand on monaghan. They will be up for this game like madmen. I hope we win, but cant see their being anything more than a point or 2 either way in the end. a draw would be an absolute disaster for us in terms of our hopes for the rest of the year. Where do ye end up if ye lose the game donegalman?
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 15, 2015 21:38:02 GMT
Who could Kerry face if they win sat nite?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 15, 2015 22:07:43 GMT
Who could Kerry face if they win sat nite? Westmeath or Fermanagh in the quarter final.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 15, 2015 22:33:32 GMT
If we win on saturday we play in quarter finals on 2nd August. If we lose, do we play on the 8th if we win qualifier?
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Post by donegalman on Jul 15, 2015 22:50:02 GMT
Well the thing is the armagh game was no test, and that was for sure. But both Tyrone and Derry were very tough games. McBrearty was taken off in the armagh game as a groin injury was flaring up. Had a problem with it after the Derry game too. The fact is if we were to draw v Monaghan, there would be a 6/7 day turn around for the loser, and then a quarter final.
As it stands, the loser of the ulster final will play either tipp/tyrone or Galway/Derry. (Neutral venue). The loser of Connaught (Sligo for the sake of arguement will play tipp/tyrone or Galway/Derry (neutral venue).
Kerry/Cork loser will play Kildare, most likely in port laoise or thurles. (not Westmeath or Fermanagh, Westmeath are already a provincial runner up so they cant meet another provincial runner up, they are meeting Fermanagh as the survivors of the A side of the back door).
My precictions..
Cork v Kildare (Already drawn) Cork win Monaghan v Galway (hopefully) Galway win Westmeath v Fermanagh (already drawn) Fermanagh win Sligo v Tyrone Tyrone win
The quarter finals is an open draw as far as I remember from the previous 4 years being involved at this stage of the competition from both the back and the front door. (Except provincial finalists cant meet until the semi final stages).
Lots to look forward to.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 16, 2015 7:51:26 GMT
Well the thing is the armagh game was no test, and that was for sure. But both Tyrone and Derry were very tough games. McBrearty was taken off in the armagh game as a groin injury was flaring up. Had a problem with it after the Derry game too. The fact is if we were to draw v Monaghan, there would be a 6/7 day turn around for the loser, and then a quarter final. As it stands, the loser of the ulster final will play either tipp/tyrone or Galway/Derry. (Neutral venue). The loser of Connaught (Sligo for the sake of arguement will play tipp/tyrone or Galway/Derry (neutral venue). Kerry/Cork loser will play Kildare, most likely in port laoise or thurles. (not Westmeath or Fermanagh, Westmeath are already a provincial runner up so they cant meet another provincial runner up, they are meeting Fermanagh as the survivors of the A side of the back door). My precictions.. Cork v Kildare (Already drawn) Cork win Monaghan v Galway (hopefully) Galway win Westmeath v Fermanagh (already drawn) Fermanagh win Sligo v Tyrone Tyrone win The quarter finals is an open draw as far as I remember from the previous 4 years being involved at this stage of the competition from both the back and the front door. (Except provincial finalists cant meet until the semi final stages). Lots to look forward to. So with that prediction, we could have Fermanagh, Galway or Tyrone! I'd like Tyrone in the quarters, that should keep the blood boiling nicely,
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 16, 2015 9:00:00 GMT
If we win on saturday we play in quarter finals on 2nd August. If we lose, do we play on the 8th if we win qualifier? No still the first weekend in August.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 16, 2015 9:02:10 GMT
Well the thing is the armagh game was no test, and that was for sure. But both Tyrone and Derry were very tough games. McBrearty was taken off in the armagh game as a groin injury was flaring up. Had a problem with it after the Derry game too. The fact is if we were to draw v Monaghan, there would be a 6/7 day turn around for the loser, and then a quarter final. As it stands, the loser of the ulster final will play either tipp/tyrone or Galway/Derry. (Neutral venue). The loser of Connaught (Sligo for the sake of arguement will play tipp/tyrone or Galway/Derry (neutral venue). Kerry/Cork loser will play Kildare, most likely in port laoise or thurles. (not Westmeath or Fermanagh, Westmeath are already a provincial runner up so they cant meet another provincial runner up, they are meeting Fermanagh as the survivors of the A side of the back door). My precictions.. Cork v Kildare (Already drawn) Cork win Monaghan v Galway (hopefully) Galway win Westmeath v Fermanagh (already drawn) Fermanagh win Sligo v Tyrone Tyrone win The quarter finals is an open draw as far as I remember from the previous 4 years being involved at this stage of the competition from both the back and the front door. (Except provincial finalists cant meet until the semi final stages). Lots to look forward to. From last year on, the Quarter Finals are no longer an open draw. It is preset using the A and B side of the Qualifiers. If Donegal were to lose on Sunday, they would meet either the winner of Tyrone/Tipp or the winner of Galway/Derry. Get through that and it will more than likely be Mayo for ye in the Quarter Final.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 16, 2015 9:02:41 GMT
Fergal Kelly must have done a good job in the minor final. The fact that I cant remember anything outstanding about his performance means he must have done a good job. Lot of pressure on refs in his situation, but still doesnt excuse not reporting what happened. If it means that you are ruling yourself out of big games in the future, then so be it. What is the point in playing games if this is what it is about anymore. Big game this weekend for us. I would absolutely be sick if we lost it, because of the route that is in store if we do. I think that Monaghan are expecting to play us on blanket terms alone, they have never played us playing any other style in recent history. The league game in letterkenny marked our departure from the 100% blanket defense system, and I feel that they could be in for a surprise on sunday. Lots will depend on Coldrick. He could be a very busy man, hopefully he is, and is so early rather than later in the game. I would see Murphy being a key man with his frees once more. McFadden is enhoying life out the field this season, and the freedom is suiting him very well, as opposed to being double marked in the corner. That is what is happening mcbrearty instead. But he is young and bullish, and will be able for 70 minutes of this. I can see a wide selection of scorers on the score sheet on sunday. I also think that this is where we may have the upper hand on monaghan. They will be up for this game like madmen. I hope we win, but cant see their being anything more than a point or 2 either way in the end. a draw would be an absolute disaster for us in terms of our hopes for the rest of the year. Where do ye end up if ye lose the game donegalman? If Donegal lost and won their qualifier, they would play the Connacht Champions in the QF.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 16, 2015 9:22:41 GMT
If we win on saturday we play in quarter finals on 2nd August. If we lose, do we play on the 8th if we win qualifier? No still the first weekend in August. I've got a schedule from Croke Park which gives Sat Aug 1 - R4 Qualifiers, Sun Aug 2nd Football Qtrs - double header & Sat 8th Aug Football Qtrs - double header. Sun 9th is down for hurling Semis.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 16, 2015 9:31:22 GMT
No still the first weekend in August. I've got a schedule from Croke Park which gives Sat Aug 1 - R4 Qualifiers, Sun Aug 2nd Football Qtrs - double header & Sat 8th Aug Football Qtrs - double header. Sun 9th is down for hurling Semis. The A side of the Quarter Finals will be played the weekend of Aug 1st. Win or lose on Saturday, Kerry will still be in the A side.
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Post by donegalman on Jul 16, 2015 14:06:14 GMT
I dont understand the logic of this, Im sure there is a reason for it. I am thinking that beating Monaghan in this case is vital. Otherwise we would have to play possibly Derry or Tyrone again, before playing Mayo and then either Kerry or Cork if we were to somehow get through it. All this even before you look at a final. Beating Monaghan would mean that we play Sligo/Tyrone/Derry/Galway/Tipp in the quarter, with one less game, and that would be a much more manageable run in.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 16, 2015 15:44:08 GMT
I've got a schedule from Croke Park which gives Sat Aug 1 - R4 Qualifiers, Sun Aug 2nd Football Qtrs - double header & Sat 8th Aug Football Qtrs - double header. Sun 9th is down for hurling Semis. The A side of the Quarter Finals will be played the weekend of Aug 1st. Win or lose on Saturday, Kerry will still be in the A side. Thanks for that. Now I can get on with planning the rest of my life.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2015 17:26:37 GMT
Dublin defender Ger Brennan has decided to take a break from inter-county football following a run of injuries that saw him sidelined for Jim Gavin's side.
Brennan was an integral part of the Dublin 2013 All Ireland winning team but an Achilles heel injury has meant he has not stared a championship game since.
The Dublin County Board released a statement this evening, saying: "Dublin senior footballer Ger Brennan has decided to take a break from football for this summer.
"The player's Achilles heel injury has thankfully made steady progress and Ger will, after this extended period of recovery, return to play with his club St Vincent's later in the year, and with the county team in 2016.
"The Dublin Senior Football team will continue to provide Ger with the necessary support during his recovery period."
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2015 17:27:52 GMT
Serious blow to Dublin.
Himself and OGara provided a lot of the ugly side needed to win All irelands
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2015 20:18:12 GMT
Where do ye end up if ye lose the game donegalman? If Donegal lost and won their qualifier, they would play the Connacht Champions in the QF. Which would put Mayo, Donegal, Dublin and the losers from Munster all on the same side of the draw to meet at semi final stage?
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 17, 2015 22:19:11 GMT
Serious blow to Dublin. Himself and OGara provided a lot of the ugly side needed to win All irelands O'Gara injury may come back to haunt Dublin as he gives them something different up front. Ger B not as much, hasn't been a regular for nigh on 2 years, and we are well stocked with options in the half back line. In fairness Ger is a leader on the pitch, but he's the opposite of pacey, and even if fit it was hard to see him starting, especially as Cian O'Sull not needed in midfield.
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Post by brigid on Jul 18, 2015 10:36:40 GMT
Sorry but back to Dublin V Armagh "game". Lets face it, the Dublin player who was injured is no saint as Club players in Dublin are too well aware. Also McGeeney would have a very good knowledge of Dublin players from his time with Na Fianna. However the story doing the rounds is that at least one (some say 2) well know Dublin first choice player(s) who were training near where the match was to be played got VERY VERY involved in the incident.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Jul 18, 2015 15:34:17 GMT
Sorry but back to Dublin V Armagh "game". Lets face it, the Dublin player who was injured is no saint as Club players in Dublin are too well aware. Also McGeeney would have a very good knowledge of Dublin players from his time with Na Fianna. However the story doing the rounds is that at least one (some say 2) well know Dublin first choice player(s) who were training near where the match was to be played got VERY VERY involved in the incident. Not what I've heard. Story goes that Dublin players where very restrained given what happened. But these are second and third hand accounts, so who knows. We'll have to wait to see what comes out of the official. As for Davy byrne having a bad club rep, are you sure your not mixing him up with someone else?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 18, 2015 16:40:15 GMT
Sorry but back to Dublin V Armagh "game". Lets face it, the Dublin player who was injured is no saint as Club players in Dublin are too well aware. Also McGeeney would have a very good knowledge of Dublin players from his time with Na Fianna. However the story doing the rounds is that at least one (some say 2) well know Dublin first choice player(s) who were training near where the match was to be played got VERY VERY involved in the incident. Skinner said the teachers will crack, purple monkey dishwasher
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