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Post by Premier on Feb 27, 2015 21:01:40 GMT
Fionn is 2 stone lighter than Marc Ó Sé and Aidan but roughly the same height. He is not as good a tackler as Marc or Aidan as they can use their weight but Fionn is deceptively strong for his bulk. I wonder how much he presses in the gym. His style of defending is much better suited to how Crokes play than for Kerry's style. He is very good at going forward though and good at riding the tackles. So maybe he is better suited at marking today's roaming forwards as he has the speed and agility of a forward. If a big bulky player charges at Fionn you'd expect him to be flattened, but this is often not the case so maybe he is better than we give him credit for. If he could bulk up a bit he could be made into a very good fullback, but that would mean sacrificing his natural style of going forward. I'm sure that Eamon has a plan for him and he has the right skills in my opinion. You can't teach the core skills anymore at this age and you can't make him taller, but he can bulk up and learn a few new tricks so I'm interested in seeing his progression as a Kerry footballer. 2 stone lighter than Marc? That's a bit of a stretch. I can't see Marc being 14-14.5 stone
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 27, 2015 21:07:38 GMT
I thought Fionn was around 11 stone with Marc and Aidan at 13 stone.
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Post by veteran on Feb 27, 2015 21:59:47 GMT
Personally I think Griffin is playing well enough, my problem is with Kilkenny and fitzgerald, I can't fathom how you can say Fitzgerald is in form, the opposite is evident. I feel the half back line is his best position but then again they interchange so often now or are dragged all over the backline when man marking, I also think lyne has to get more involved in the game, he has potential and as for o' brien you're right the half forward position would I think be his best position. Both Pa KIlkenny and Fionn were very poor against Mayo. I did not see the Derry match but , from what I have been told, both were feeble enough in that match as well. I look forward to Jack Sherwood who seems to be showing good form at CHB. I am delighted that KD is turning out but surprised that Paul Geaney is in, considering that hip injury. Was told that Tommy Walsh has been displaying fine form in training. This is going to be a difficult game for Kerry particularly if the likes of Stephen Cluxton, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul O'Flynn. Bernard Brogan etc are back. The latter three will test their markers. It is about time that we got the upper hand over the Dubs. Psychologically, it would help the lads enormously. I feel the victory is more important for us than them, especially since we are playing at home. I hope the weather conditions are reasonable.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 27, 2015 22:20:59 GMT
Dublin have made three changes in personnel to their starting team for Sunday's NFL Division 1 clash against Kerry in Killarney (2.0).
Rory O'Carroll returns at full-back, after missing the 2-10 to 0-11 victory over Donegal last time out, while Dublin's late hero that night, Jack McCaffrey is named to start at left wing-back.
In the half-forward line Ciaran Kilkenny will start at left half-forward. The three players who are replaced are Mick Fitzsimons, Eric Lowndes and Davy Byrne.
DUBLIN (SF v Kerry)
1 Seán Currie (Ballymun Kickhams)
2 Eoin Culligan (Kilmacud Crokes)
3 Rory O'Carroll (Kilmacud Crokes)
4 Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens)
5 Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)
6 Johnny Small (Ballymun Kickhams)
7 Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf)
8 Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge St)
9 Emmett O Conghaile (Lucan Sarsfields)
10 Tomás Brady (Na Fianna)
11 Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams)
12 Ciaran Kilkenny (Castleknock)
13 Kevin McManamon (St Jude's)
14 Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St)
15 Cormac Costello (Whitehall Colmcille)
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 27, 2015 22:22:59 GMT
FOOTBALLERS HOPE TO EMBELLISH RECORD AGAINST KERRY MON, 23RD FEBRUARY 2015 They have all played two games, followed by a three-week break, and now it’s full steam ahead in the Allianz Football League, with five rounds to be played in the four Divisions between next Saturday and April 5.
It’s a demanding schedule as the race for the various prizes gathers momentum. It also promises to be a very exciting time, featuring a total of 80 games before the final placings are decided.
Cork (Division 1), Galway (Division 2), Armagh, Fermanagh (Division 3) and Offaly (Division 4) are the only counties on full points after two games. Derry (Division 1), Kildare, Laois (Division 2), Sligo, Wexford (Division 3) and London (Division 4) are still chasing their first points.
DIVISION 1: CAN CORK MAINTAIN THEIR 100 PER CENT RECORD?
Saturday (7.0): Tyrone v Derry, Omagh; Sunday (2.0.) Kerry v Dublin, Fitzgerald Stadium; Mayo v Monaghan, Elverys MacHale Park; Donegal v Cork, Ballyshannon
Cork, the only team in Division 1 with full points after two games, travel to Ballyshannon to take on Donegal, who beat Derry and lost to Dublin. It’s the first Allianz League meeting between Donegal and Cork since 2013 (Donegal were in Division 2 last year) when Cork won by two points. Donegal beat Cork by two points in the 2012 All-Ireland semi-final.
Dublin have an excellent Allianz League record against Kerry in recent times, winning four (2014-2013-2011-2010), drawing one (2009) and losing one (2012) of their last six meetings (2009-2014). They didn’t meet in 2008 as Dublin were in Division 2. Dublin also beat Kerry in the 2011 All-Ireland final and the 2013 semi-final, having lost the 2009 quarter-final.
Mayo, who lost to Tyrone in Castlebar in the second round of the Allianz League, have home advantage again when they play Monaghan. It’s the first Allianz League clash between the counties since 2011 when Monaghan won by two points.
Derry, the only team in the group without a point so far travel to Omagh on Saturday evening to take on great rivals, Tyrone who have won one of two. The sides drew in last year’s Allianz League.
Cork lead the way at present with four points, followed by Monaghan, Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo, Kerry and Donegal, who are all on two points with Derry pointless.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 27, 2015 23:00:09 GMT
Dublin have made three changes in personnel to their starting team for Sunday's NFL Division 1 clash against Kerry in Killarney (2.0). Rory O'Carroll returns at full-back, after missing the 2-10 to 0-11 victory over Donegal last time out, while Dublin's late hero that night, Jack McCaffrey is named to start at left wing-back. In the half-forward line Ciaran Kilkenny will start at left half-forward. The three players who are replaced are Mick Fitzsimons, Eric Lowndes and Davy Byrne. DUBLIN (SF v Kerry) 1 Seán Currie (Ballymun Kickhams) 2 Eoin Culligan (Kilmacud Crokes) 3 Rory O'Carroll (Kilmacud Crokes) 4 Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens) 5 Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna) 6 Johnny Small (Ballymun Kickhams) 7 Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf) 8 Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge St) 9 Emmett O Conghaile (Lucan Sarsfields) 10 Tomás Brady (Na Fianna) 11 Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams) 12 Ciaran Kilkenny (Castleknock) 13 Kevin McManamon (St Jude's) 14 Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St) 15 Cormac Costello (Whitehall Colmcille) When I see this team I think it shows clearly that Gavin is willing to forfeit the league to get his team back down to earth. He will win the 2 or 3 games needed to stay up but I will be very surprised if Kerry don't win this game with a few points to spare. Where are the players that swaggered around the place as if they were the best of all time? If this team beats us in Killarney we will have questions to answer.
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Post by Premier on Feb 27, 2015 23:10:21 GMT
I thought Fionn was around 11 stone with Marc and Aidan at 13 stone. I think we grossly underestimate the size these lads are, especially the weight they carry in their legs. I would guess that Fionn is 12.5 at least... Most lads playing Minor last year were definetly over 11 stone and Fionn holds a lot more lower bulk than them
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 28, 2015 3:39:48 GMT
Looks are deceiving as muscle is heavier than flesh and in any event some are just made of harder stuff. Paidí wasn't big but he was hard and it wasn't just the pressure applied. Funnily enough but I saw a few of his characteristics in Paul Murphy in Derry. Murphy learned first hand of Aidan losing that bita flesh last year and he's another iron frame. Maybe someone with a PE background could enlighten us a bit more; my info is just listening to fellas down the years. Paidí and The Bawn were supposedly among the all time hardest so maybe 'tis the fish, or the fishin', or the pints, serving or scooping? What do them fellas back West be atin' you'd love to know 'cos it does 'em no harm at all!
Sunday will be such a big game and it is coming at a good time for us as it will blood lads for the year and Fitzy will throw 'em in deep. I trust KD is not over doing it; while he had limited games last year he trained as hard as anyone, and played on then with Stacks; he ain't getting younger but then again the experts are on the case.
For those travelling, safe journey, and we await Veteran's report.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 28, 2015 20:02:57 GMT
Isn't tomorrow Star's birthday? A win would be a nice present I guess
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Post by homerj on Mar 1, 2015 14:43:29 GMT
decent game so far and doing much better than i was expecting.
Mikey Geaney is having a shocker apart from his early point, its like playing with 14 men.
Paul Geaney is also well off the pace, all 3 of our goal chances came to him and he fluffed all 3 of them.
had we had an o donoghue or cooper on the end of them, those chances would be taken.
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Post by homerj on Mar 1, 2015 15:09:35 GMT
playing super stuff now, 5 points up. can we hold off the inevitable late Dublin onslaught?
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Post by bomberliston on Mar 1, 2015 15:25:43 GMT
Hopefully we can hold on here!
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 1, 2015 15:48:37 GMT
Well that puts to bed the myth of Dublin having the best panel in Ireland. Plenty of average players on show by them today, none more then Ciaran Kilkenny. Never seen what all the hype was about him
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Post by keane on Mar 1, 2015 16:34:14 GMT
The Michael Geaney experiment continues to baffle me I must say.
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Post by rovingfullforward on Mar 1, 2015 17:04:20 GMT
The Michael Geaney experiment continues to baffle me I must say. I agree. He's hard working but with limited ability in comparison to the others going for his position.
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Post by whitefire on Mar 1, 2015 17:51:00 GMT
Was very impressed by the whole squad today, a real team performance. The defence was probably the best I've seen in recent years and Dublin forwards were completely snuffed out. Thought mark griffin, Murphy, Kilkenny and Jack sherwood were excellent. Again Star proves his worth when high ball is driven into him. Sheehan was almost faultless and Moran and Maher were very good in the middle of the field. There's definitely a league semi up for on the cards now, 4 more points would do it.
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 1, 2015 17:55:49 GMT
Well that puts to bed the myth of Dublin having the best panel in Ireland. Plenty of average players on show by them today, none more then Ciaran Kilkenny. Never seen what all the hype was about him Harsh. Thought he was Dublins best distributor if the ball. If i have a criticism its that he does too much work in the wrong half of the pitch. too honest for his own good. Would be better off in the inside forward line. Kerry deserved winners as their point kicking from distance was better than ours. Kinsella gave u a leg up too I felt. Kerry were awarded their frees much easier than Dublin. Is Donaghy in a witness protection programme?? Seems to have cartr blanche to do as he pleases without fear of censure!
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Post by homerj on Mar 1, 2015 18:43:53 GMT
brilliant performance overall and delighted for Jack Sherwood, he was sensational today and deservedly got man of the match.
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Post by glengael on Mar 1, 2015 18:45:38 GMT
Tremendous atmosphere in Killarney today despite the increasingly Artic weather.
2 men who really impressed me today were Stephen O'Brien and Johnny Buckley. I felt they got through an amount of work. One man whose upward curve deservedly continues is David Moran, 100% class.
I doubt that Fionn is the same height as Marc whatever about weight.
The All Black duo who "speared" B O'D a few years ago would have been proud of that effort on Kieran Donaghy.
Ciarrai Abu.
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Post by homerj on Mar 1, 2015 18:47:28 GMT
Kinsella gave u a leg up too I felt. Kerry were awarded their frees much easier than Dublin. lol, pull another one....there were a few of your players lucky to escape red cards early in teh game. Costello being the prime exactly, as to how the ref deemed it only a yellow ill never know. Dublins discipline was atrocious today and it showed with 8 different players carded - the ref in fact came in for great praise on both the TV and radio for what was an exceptionally difficult game to ref.
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Post by clancy on Mar 1, 2015 18:52:31 GMT
Well that puts to bed the myth of Dublin having the best panel in Ireland. Plenty of average players on show by them today, none more then Ciaran Kilkenny. Never seen what all the hype was about him Harsh. Thought he was Dublins best distributor if the ball. If i have a criticism its that he does too much work in the wrong half of the pitch. too honest for his own good. Would be better off in the inside forward line. Kerry deserved winners as their point kicking from distance was better than ours. Kinsella gave u a leg up too I felt. Kerry were awarded their frees much easier than Dublin. Is Donaghy in a witness protection programme?? Seems to have cartr blanche to do as he pleases without fear of censure! ahh skybluezone you gave me the kick in the a@@e to login again. Saw most of game on TV. Kerry got their fair share of handy frees & when I say fair share I mean the dubs got theirs too. Anyway that aside on to star. He was pulled l, dragged and what not and that was on going for ball on camara. Rarely gets a free or penalty like today. Now his goading of o gara toward the end is typical of how he goes on. It's not nice and It's kinda trailer trash like however it's not illegal as far as I know. Thought it was a good league game though.
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Post by fg on Mar 1, 2015 18:54:40 GMT
Well that puts to bed the myth of Dublin having the best panel in Ireland. Plenty of average players on show by them today, none more then Ciaran Kilkenny. Never seen what all the hype was about him Harsh. Thought he was Dublins best distributor if the ball. If i have a criticism its that he does too much work in the wrong half of the pitch. too honest for his own good. Would be better off in the inside forward line. Kerry deserved winners as their point kicking from distance was better than ours. Kinsella gave u a leg up too I felt. Kerry were awarded their frees much easier than Dublin. Is Donaghy in a witness protection programme?? Seems to have cartr blanche to do as he pleases without fear of censure! Well if you care to remove your sky blue tinted glasses, you could also say the same thing about o' gara, how he stayed on the field I don't know.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 1, 2015 19:19:40 GMT
Star was blackguarded and you'd be disappointed that Dublin lost their discipline as the game went away from them. I noted Gavin giving was it Fitzimons a clap in the back for getting red carded and was it Costello who should also have seen red; Brogan also unwisely picked on big massive Maher and which was surprising. Today's game will have a big impact on the betting for Sam and you'd be happy enough with how we fared. I sense strong traditional Kerry values in terms of bonding and how they go about their game; that it is so obvious so early in the season is encouraging and a credit to the entire group. The future looks as good as it ever did in all my years looking on.
Johnny Buckley silenced a few critics and KD's intelligence had him right time and place again, under that late lobber. He is now a target but I am sure he will have he mental strength to ignore it and refs will soon cop on to it, and as they do. He is strong as an ox and Dubs couldn't cope with him so they tested his focus and they got their answer. Why did he got off I wonder? Does he need a break? Moran also did some great fielding and Sheehan's target shots are so full of promise as to what's in store.
And Ireland's victory topped it off, a rare day but we had 'em before and it is nice for the youngsters on here to get a taste of it. Money might be a bit scarce but no amount of it could buy what we got today, and that was only me on the couch armed with the remote control. By the way Robbie Henshaw claims his fielding for that try was born out of his Gaelic football days, it is up there with the best ever.
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Post by blackisbad on Mar 1, 2015 19:38:25 GMT
The Michael Geaney experiment continues to baffle me I must say. I agree. He's hard working but with limited ability in comparison to the others going for his position. Mikey had a bad game but would u give the man a break, he played well in the first few games and we all know fitzmaurice is a good manager so why not trust his judgement. I think some people come on this site just to give out about players, it's depressing
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Post by roll on Mar 1, 2015 19:48:35 GMT
Harsh. Thought he was Dublins best distributor if the ball. If i have a criticism its that he does too much work in the wrong half of the pitch. too honest for his own good. Would be better off in the inside forward line. Kerry deserved winners as their point kicking from distance was better than ours. Kinsella gave u a leg up too I felt. Kerry were awarded their frees much easier than Dublin. Is Donaghy in a witness protection programme?? Seems to have cartr blanche to do as he pleases without fear of censure! ahh skybluezone you gave me the kick in the a@@e to login again. Saw most of game on TV. Kerry got their fair share of handy frees & when I say fair share I mean the dubs got theirs too. Anyway that aside on to star. He was pulled l, dragged and what not and that was on going for ball on camara. Rarely gets a free or penalty like today. Now his goading of o gara toward the end is typical of how he goes on. It's not nice and It's kinda trailer trash like however it's not illegal as far as I know. Thought it was a good league game though. have to say, bad tackles and fighting aside, i thought we did get the rub of the green from the ref.... paul murphy is a dynamo-pity he got the line as i was loving his display up to that
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 1, 2015 19:50:30 GMT
The comments from the Dubs on HS are as comical as ever If for nothing else it makes for great reading after games like todays
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Post by seaniebo on Mar 1, 2015 20:11:44 GMT
To be very objective about today I felt both teams provided us with a good hard hitting spectacle. There was more on the line today than just 2 points. We needed to bring our poor run of results against the Dubs to an end and they probably wanted to put the All Ireland Champs back in our box. What else would one expect from this old age rivalry?? I don't think the ref played much of a part in the final result. The best team won out in the end.
With that much said there was very little moaning about the ref in the terrace which is always a good sign. The big difference between the sides today was Kerry's complete dominance in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half. We played some fantastic stuff and the Dubs simply couldn't handle us in 2ndhalf
Sherwood deserves all the plaudits he gets from his performance. He was magnificent. Totally dominated his patch. David Moran was also pure quality. His composure on the ball is second to none as is his distribution.
I felt we were quite poor in working the ball out of defence in the first half,often times kicking ball to the forwards that were less than 50/50. Our distribution improved dramatically in the 2nd half and this was reflected on the score board.
One man that stood out for me today for Dublin is Shane Carthy. Big strong and mobile, he gave us plenty of problems. He's very direct. He is sure to become a big player for Dublin.
I thought at half time we were a wee bit in trouble. Fionn was under fierce pressure and was giving yards of space up to McMenamon who was proving a real threat. The supply into him was of the top drawer. This was to change as Kerry dominated midfield in the second half.
I was listening to Jim Gavin's post match interview on the wireless. He came across poor, moaning about the weather conditions and the ref. There was the hint of sour grapes about it.
Anyway I see a few posters from both sides mentioning this player did this and this player did that. All top sides mix it up. It was great to see the physicality and both teams going at it. Kerry don't shirk away from the nitty gritty and neither do the Dubs. Why would they?
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 1, 2015 20:36:31 GMT
Harsh. Thought he was Dublins best distributor if the ball. If i have a criticism its that he does too much work in the wrong half of the pitch. too honest for his own good. Would be better off in the inside forward line. Kerry deserved winners as their point kicking from distance was better than ours. Kinsella gave u a leg up too I felt. Kerry were awarded their frees much easier than Dublin. Is Donaghy in a witness protection programme?? Seems to have cartr blanche to do as he pleases without fear of censure! ahh skybluezone you gave me the kick in the a@@e to login again. Saw most of game on TV. Kerry got their fair share of handy frees & when I say fair share I mean the dubs got theirs too. Anyway that aside on to star. He was pulled l, dragged and what not and that was on going for ball on camara. Rarely gets a free or penalty like today. Now his goading of o gara toward the end is typical of how he goes on. It's not nice and It's kinda trailer trash like however it's not illegal as far as I know. Thought it was a good league game though. In fairness the Costello one was naughty. Had forgotten that one. The curious one for me was O'Briens slap/punch into Coopers face and Kinsella decides to throw the ball up. Fizsimons something similar at the end and its a straight red. I'll stop moaning now but Donaghy really is a special case. Gets involved with everyone in every game and its been going on for years. Thoroughly dislikeable. Lastly, Brogan is playing IC football 10 years now and I hardly remember fouling anyone never mind start a row. Maher is the one with the form there but hard to tell from tv. Good tough game will benefit both teams.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Mar 1, 2015 21:31:04 GMT
What did ye make of the "challenge" by Fitzsimons?
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Post by keane on Mar 1, 2015 21:47:54 GMT
Does Maher have form for starting fights?
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