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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 10, 2015 10:18:52 GMT
Listen if Tyrone are generally at that stuff then they are no threat to us so leave them off. Maybes yes and maybes no but it still is infuriating to watch and what makes it more so is the general helplessness of the officials- who just use the most idiotic bit of logic in probably any sport- the double yellow card. A lad wrestles you to the ground and you try push him off, etc- double yellow card is the result, its just a cop-out by refs who are afraid to offend 1 side or the other If ye think Kerry aren't up to those tricks then naieve isn't the word for ye lads!
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 10, 2015 10:20:01 GMT
I abhor and detest the Tyrone ploy of defending in numbers, blocking, covering and stopping the opposition from getting handy scores. I love Kerrys ploy of defending in numbers, blocking, covering and stopping the opposition from getting handy scores. Mick you're missing the point- its not the style of play, its all the niggly, petty attempts to antagonize lads off the ball. Why did the keeper rugby tackle Cillian o Connor to the ground when the ball was already in the net, hold him down and then try to trip him up as he was gettin up? It's done to antagonize- its done to try get a reaction, refs should be wise to this but they allow the petulance to persist. Mayo are fairly good at that too, and indeed even Cillian O'Connor himself.
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Post by leesider on Feb 10, 2015 18:36:08 GMT
Cork playing lovely football the moment and have a wealth of talent. Same as last year really. Are they peaking too early in the year? Only time will tell. After being everybody's favourites for relegation it's fairly satisfying to have maximum points after two games. However you have to factor in that Dublin were missing quite a few of their star men when we played them (and took off a couple more towards the end of the game) so you have to wonder how seriously Gavin is taking the league. Against Monaghan we were a bit lucky; a draw would have been a fair result. O Halloran's hara-kiri should really have cost us.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 10, 2015 19:43:19 GMT
Cork playing lovely football the moment and have a wealth of talent. Same as last year really. Are they peaking too early in the year? Only time will tell. After being everybody's favourites for relegation it's fairly satisfying to have maximum points after two games. However you have to factor in that Dublin were missing quite a few of their star men when we played them (and took off a couple more towards the end of the game) so you have to wonder how seriously Gavin is taking the league. Against Monaghan we were a bit lucky; a draw would have been a fair result. O Halloran's hara-kiri should really have cost us. Probably. Colm O'Neill is good enough to build a team around, but I would be afraid Cork rely a lot on him currently. I wouldn't have had Cork down as relegation candidates to be honest. Based on previous league performances it would be for more likely for Kerry to be relegated than Cork.Maybe Cork were just lucky in their two games and they did not meetb the strongest Dublin team possible, but....I would like to point out that I think Cork will want to win the league badly. Like Mayo Cork have been in the top 5 consistently but have only one All Ireland despite having very good teams. Like you I didn't get why O'Halloran wanted to get a goal himself. Niall Morgan did something similar and I hope this won't become the next big thing in football. It is fine if goalies can play a bit of football as well, but for a goalkeeper to carry the ball to the opponent's 45 is a bad silly, in my opinion and if Cork didn't drag down the Monaghan player straight afterwards it would have been a very easy goal for them. Looking forward to the Cork-Kerry clash already.
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Post by donegalman on Feb 10, 2015 19:46:04 GMT
Surprised not to see any comment about Maurice Deegan's performance on Saturday night. He made some strange decisions and didn't seem to have any control over the match when things got tense. He played a full minute on top of stoppage time at end of the first half, it was as if he wanted Donegal to catch up before he blew this whistle, which indeed they did. Impossible game to ref. I thought he gave one or 2 very odd decisions against dublin for sure but there were heaps of other calls he did not make for either team. there was a lot of niggle in the match. Re armagh poster, I think that most close games are in theory there for the taking, but sometimes you just dont see or feel that it is going to happen. The dubs wre a bit more comfortable going up the pitch and McCaffrey was ultimately the difference on the night. No complaints. I think the lads played a good competitive game, and we will have to look for points in other fixtures. I havent watched the highlights of the tyrone game, was it really that bad?
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Post by tyroneperson on Feb 10, 2015 20:17:21 GMT
Surprised not to see any comment about Maurice Deegan's performance on Saturday night. He made some strange decisions and didn't seem to have any control over the match when things got tense. He played a full minute on top of stoppage time at end of the first half, it was as if he wanted Donegal to catch up before he blew this whistle, which indeed they did. Impossible game to ref. I thought he gave one or 2 very odd decisions against dublin for sure but there were heaps of other calls he did not make for either team. there was a lot of niggle in the match. Re armagh poster, I think that most close games are in theory there for the taking, but sometimes you just dont see or feel that it is going to happen. The dubs wre a bit more comfortable going up the pitch and McCaffrey was ultimately the difference on the night. No complaints. I think the lads played a good competitive game, and we will have to look for points in other fixtures. I havent watched the highlights of the tyrone game, was it really that bad? Tyrone were extremely defensive anyway, don't think we ('we') were as cynical as portrayed here though but I understand why people don't like that style of football. Didn't help matters that Mayo's shooting etc was so poor. That kinda football's alright when one team is defensive but when both are it's hard to watch - e.g. the final last year - not meant as a jibe, Kerry played great against Cork and Mayo, they did what they had to do against Donegal and could've won by more. Kerry did what we failed to do in three attempts anyway from 2011-13. It is what it is, maybe Tyrone can find a better balance in the months ahead, it's still early in the year. Was good to see the team play with a bit of fight. Justin McMahon played as well as he's done in years, he seemed really determined to lay down a marker. Apparently Mayo fans aren't very convinced with their new management team. Harte and the team got a serious amount of stick up here in the last week so it's hard not to be pleased that they to some degree answered their critics regardless of anything else.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 10, 2015 20:26:16 GMT
I don't see any problem with what Ken O'Halloran did: Cork were up by a point at the time.
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 10, 2015 22:57:42 GMT
Everyday I seem to read that another Laois player is after quitting the panel...what is going on in the county?
For a team that can cause anyone problems on their day over the last few years to a team that seem lost at sea at the minute and are looking like they could be in Div 3 next year!
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Post by townend on Feb 11, 2015 23:44:19 GMT
laois had one year in 2003 under micko they let westmeath beat them in 2004 under the late paudie sorry but laois were never a force in football and never will be. they won the league in 1986 then wicklow beat them after in the championship says it all. i see were waterfords bubble was burst on sunday well beaten by offaly who should walk that division.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 17:15:46 GMT
Michael Murphy seems to have developed a taste for the red card.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Mar 2, 2015 17:38:15 GMT
Michael Murphy seems to have developed a taste for the red card. It was black last time.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 17:46:38 GMT
Michael Murphy seems to have developed a taste for the red card. It was black last time. Black, red, yellow ... either way he's seen the line twice this year already.
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Post by donegalman on Mar 2, 2015 18:33:34 GMT
I was at the Donegal Cork game yesterday. Was a very interesting game, and a long time since I watched Cork play. They have changed a lot since 2012.
Very defensive. There was absolutely no room in the inn in the first half for our forwards. Cork got cleaned out a bit at mid field. Cork did not have their strongest 15 on, they looked like they were waiting to see how the game unfolded before committing 100% to the thing, which they did with 20 minutes to go. Kerrigan came on after Murphy got his second yellow. He transformed Cork in a big way. Cork are a bit ragged in the tackle. But they were competitive when they wanted to be as well.
Ultimately we should have won the match by a lot more. We had them 5 5 at half time and had the gale in the 2nd half. Murphy getting himself sent off (no complaints about this) put us in a bit of a tailspin. Mcfadden came on and waisted a golden chance to put us 6 up, instead he dropped it short and cork worked the ball up the field for a goal. This could have been disastrous.
The game was by no means dirty, and McQuillan did a great job. In fact, he has worked his way up to be the top ref in the country imo.
Ultimately, I think that Cork did not show their full hand, but have it in them for big games this year. If they can get a bit of consistency going, then they will be a force to be reckoned with. That is where I see difficulty for them.
I would say we are shaping up ok on what I have seen so far. Yes we have some work to do, but the team seem to be in a good place mentally. If we beat monaghan next week, we will most certainly be staying up.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 2, 2015 18:42:46 GMT
I was at the Donegal Cork game yesterday. Was a very interesting game, and a long time since I watched Cork play. They have changed a lot since 2012. Very defensive. There was absolutely no room in the inn in the first half for our forwards. Cork got cleaned out a bit at mid field. Cork did not have their strongest 15 on, they looked like they were waiting to see how the game unfolded before committing 100% to the thing, which they did with 20 minutes to go. Kerrigan came on after Murphy got his second yellow. He transformed Cork in a big way. Cork are a bit ragged in the tackle. But they were competitive when they wanted to be as well. Ultimately we should have won the match by a lot more. We had them 5 5 at half time and had the gale in the 2nd half. Murphy getting himself sent off (no complaints about this) put us in a bit of a tailspin. Mcfadden came on and waisted a golden chance to put us 6 up, instead he dropped it short and cork worked the ball up the field for a goal. This could have been disastrous. The game was by no means dirty, and McQuillan did a great job. In fact, he has worked his way up to be the top ref in the country imo.
Ultimately, I think that Cork did not show their full hand, but have it in them for big games this year. If they can get a bit of consistency going, then they will be a force to be reckoned with. That is where I see difficulty for them. I would say we are shaping up ok on what I have seen so far. Yes we have some work to do, but the team seem to be in a good place mentally. If we beat monaghan next week, we will most certainly be staying up. Did I read that correctly
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Post by donegalman on Mar 2, 2015 18:48:24 GMT
Ha! yes. Any time I remember him being ref recently he has been better than ok. Bad experience with him lately?
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 2, 2015 19:46:25 GMT
* sake Donegal man, is he *!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 2, 2015 20:35:10 GMT
your stock is junk bond status now donegalman
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Post by donegalman on Mar 2, 2015 22:16:12 GMT
Ah well, the craps tables for me so! I really dont know a game he messed up in, recently anyway. We had a tough tough match in the quarter final v Armagh, and it would not have been easy to ref, he did well. But I do see how you could dislike him after a quick Google. 'mcquillan ref kerry' brought up 2011 at top of the list.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 23:26:59 GMT
HS football team of the week 02 March 2015
14 counties are represented on our football team of the week ...
1. Gary Connaughton (Westmeath)
Darren Quinn's groin injury opened the door for the former All-Star to return between the posts for Westmeath and he came to his side's rescue on more than one occasion in Newbridge.
2. Jason McLoughlin (Cavan)
Cavan suffered a first defeat in Division 2 at home to Down but no finger of blame could be pointed in the direction of their rampaging corner-back.
3. Barry O'Farrell (Longford)
O'Farrell and his defensive team-mates, especially the half-back line trio of Colm P Smyth, Diarmuid Masterson and Enda Williams, performed well as a unit to keep London at bay in Ruislip on Saturday.
4. Daithi Brady (Offaly)
Ballyfore's Brady impressed in the full-back line as Pat Flanagan's Offaly players continued on their merry winning ways with a 12-point victory over Wicklow in Aughrim.
5. Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
The break away in Dubai did McGlynn and Donegal no harm at all if yesterday's display against previously unbeaten Cork is anything to go by.
6. Jack Sherwood (Kerry)
Produced a rock solid display in the heart of the Kerry defence as Dublin left Killarney empty-handed following an ill-tempered Division 1 clash.
7. Sean Leo McGoldrick (Derry)
Raided forward in the 61st minute to give the Oak Leafers the lead for the first time against Tyrone in Healy Park but had to settle for a share of the spoils at the final whistle.
8. Sean Gannon (Carlow)
The Eire Og player raised three white flags as the Barrowsiders' came from behind to deny Waterford in Dungarvan on Saturday evening.
9. David Moran (Kerry)
The All-Star laid solid foundations for Kerry's victory over Dublin with a dominant showing around the middle third of the field and also got in on the scoring act with a point.
10. Micheal McKenna (Armagh)
The Orchard county forward tormented the Limerick defence and sent over six points in Kilmallock as Kieran McGeeney's men made it three wins from as many outings.
11. Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
On a day when conditions made it difficult for both sets of players, O'Shea made his physical presence count and scored 1-3 against Monaghan in Castlebar.
12. Shane McGrath (Clare)
Five points from the half-forward saw him share top scoring honours with Pat Burke as the Banner County returned to winning ways in Division 3 at Sligo's expense.
13. CJ McGourty (Antrim)
McGourty led the Antrim attack in fine style against Leitrim, raising a total of eight flags (six frees).
14. Sean Quigley (Fermanagh)
Pete McGrath's side are breathing down Armagh's neck at the top of the Division 3 table and Quigley continued his rich vein of scoring form with 1-5 against Tipperary.
15. Donal O'Hare (Down)
The Burren forward's 63rd minute goal sent the Mourne County on the road to a Division 2 victory over Cavan in Kingspan Breffni Park on Saturday evening.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 23:27:38 GMT
Following their two point victory over reigning champions Dublin, Kerry are now 11/4 from 11/2 to win Division 1 of the Allianz National Football League.
Dublin, meanwhile, have been eased back out to 7/4 from 5/4 to retain the title.
Mayo eased past Monaghan and, as result, the Connacht champions have been clipped into 5/1 from 6/1.
Also available at 5/1 are Donegal, having been priced at 13/2 prior to their one point victory over Cork in Ballyshannon.
In Division 2, Westmeath are top of the table on aggregate having shocked Kildare with a 0-15 to 0-12 win in Newbridge.
The Lake County are now 7/1 from 14/1 to win Division 2 with Galway heading the betting at 6/4.
Division 3 sees Armagh now priced at 4/11 having been priced at 1/2 prior to their third win of the campaign over Limerick.
The Orchard County’s nearest rivals in the betting are Fermanagh at 9/2.
Offaly sit on top of the Division 4 table after recording their third victory on Sunday and the Midlanders are now 8/11 from 11/8 to win Division 4.
Longford are only a point behind Offaly and are priced at 3/1 while Antrim, who defeated Leitrim by five points, are now 7/1 from 10/1.
Liam Glynn, PR Executive at BoyleSports said: “Dublin’s NFL hopes still remain on track despite losing to Kerry on Sunday, but Kerry are the biggest movers in the betting and are now 11/4 from 11/2 to take the NFL title away from Dublin this year.”
He added: “Westmeath’s shock win over Kildare in Newbridge has left our traders keen to keep the Lake County on their side, despite it being early days in Division 2. With a game in hand Galway remain the favourites to win the Division at 6/4.”
Division 1 - Outright Betting
Dublin 7/4 Kerry 11/4 Mayo 5/1 Donegal 5/1 Cork 6/1 Tyrone 20/1 Monaghan 33/1 Derry 50/1
EW 1/3 1, 2
Division 2 - Outright Betting
Galway 6/4 Down 4/1 Meath 5/1 Roscommon 5/1 Westmeath 7/1 Cavan 10/1 Kildare 33/1 Laois 40/1
EW 1/3 1, 2
Division 3 - Outright Betting
Armagh 4/11 Fermanagh 9/2 Tipperary 10/1 Louth 10/1 Clare 10/1 Limerick 50/1
Division 4 - Outright Betting
Offaly 8/11 Longford 3/1 Antrim 7/1 Wicklow 10/1 Carlow 10/1 Waterford 16/1 Leitrim 40/1
EW 1/3 1, 2
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 7, 2015 20:48:35 GMT
Twitter raving about the open football in Croker tonight...NOT.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2015 21:56:33 GMT
I watched Dub v Tyrone on Setanta.
Tyrone allowed Cluxton to pick out short kickouts and simply put a defensive wall 50 yards out. Dublin made no headway. They brought on Flynn at halftime and were better in second half but Tyrone pulled 3 clear when the game was up for grabs. At the death a shot came of the upright and OGara passed it across to Rock to palm home for a draw that Dublin didnt deserve.
Tyrone kicked their kickouts out to the middle and won them handily. That said, O'Congaille is a very good prospect and will develop into a fine player for Dublin I think. Rock got most of Dublins scores. Their quick hands can create scores but they simply didn't get enough good ball in around the D.
Declan was a pundit with James Horan. Declan was confident and assured and made his points well. His delivery is similar in style to Jack OConnor. Declan has a bright future as a pundit.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 7, 2015 22:04:39 GMT
That was as watchable as putting whitehot needles stuck into both your eyes over and over. Dublin still haven't learned to deal with a blanket defence and they will regret this inability later in the year. It is to hope for Dublin that their big stars return soon as the B team is certainly not ready to take Sam home. League form means very little and Dublin will be a completely different animal in the championship, but they are not being tested in Leinster so they might be going into the quarter finals completely unprepared. Time to tighten the ship. Tyrone have gone back to ultra defensive and it worked well versus Mayo and well enough against Dublin. They deserved a win today, but their wides cost them dearly.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 7, 2015 23:08:07 GMT
Dublin were very poor tonight and were haunted to get the draw. Saw a stat that Tyrone had 18 efforts for points that went wide or were dropped short and only scored points 5 from play. They also made a hames of a goal chance late on.
The free count was 26 conceded by Dublin and 6 conceded by Tyrone.
The Dubs picked up 3 yellow cards while I don't think Tyrone picked up any.
Overall Dublin looked like a side who hadnt a clue how to deal with the blanket.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 8, 2015 0:13:03 GMT
Did not see the Dub/Tyr game yet but 2 things from the stats on here.
Mickey Harte emphasis on tackling without fouling.
Organisation is KEY.
Prob change my mind completely if I saw the game BUT!! THEY are still lurking.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 8, 2015 1:37:44 GMT
Great to hear Declan is 'punditing' and yes, he will be brilliant but if his day job is as a salesman then I'd be worried that it might be a factor. Cue -Brolly is a lawyer!
The Dublin form is poor and unless they had a freak above average performance in Killarney then the bookies odds are about right, we are twice their odds to lift Sam. Now that gives an entirely different angle on Galvins resurrection; if he can bring anything of significance to the table, then bring him in; ah this nonsense that we don't need the 'controversy' is nonsense, Kerry don't do media distraction, thank the Lord.
Slán go fóill a chairde go léir ó an great Contae Chiarraí
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 8, 2015 9:53:32 GMT
Poor last night but fair play to Tyrone, they were very unlucky to not win but then again they seem to lack the real scoring quality. Sean Cavanagh looks like a fading fire, or else he isn't fit.
Dublin lack conviction and any real belief in a plan at the moment. A lot of doubt after the way it fell apart last year. I don't think Gavin has any conviction about playing a different way. I also think they seem very unsure about what they want from the league. Thing is you can't just switch on form. Intensity may come but that's not nearly enough. In any case I really enjoy the league and want to see much better games.
On the incidents mentioned, Cluxton made a brilliant save, something he hasn't done enough of the past couple of years. O'Gara did very well to set up the goal chance, then very poorly with the point chance. Rock did very well overall. Morgan seems to have lost all confidence in the free-taking, albeit the cross wind was very difficult for football. If Tyrone had a better scoring option they would still be a real force.
Looking forward to the games today.
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Post by timelyinterception on Mar 8, 2015 10:52:26 GMT
Declan was a pundit with James Horan. Declan was confident and assured and made his points well. His delivery is similar in style to Jack OConnor. Declan has a bright future as a pundit.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 8, 2015 17:44:10 GMT
On the incidents mentioned, Cluxton made a brilliant save, something he hasn't done enough of the past couple of years. Really don't think it was all that good a save at all - Cluxton was out very quickly but I think Tiernan McCann did very poorly overall and I'd definitely have it down as a goal chance wasted as opposed to a brilliant save- McCann's woeful attempt to sell some sort of dummy was a complete waste of time and all his step towards goal did was close the gap between himself and Cluxton even more. A decent inter-county forward would have the shot off much faster but McCann took so long Cluxton was pretty much right on top of him.
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Post by donegalman on Mar 8, 2015 19:33:41 GMT
Going to be a desperate end to the first division now. It is too early to work out who must do what to avoid the drop. I will try to sum it up and it is wide open to revision and debate.
Dublin: Currently on 3 points Mayo away, Derry home, Monaghan away. They will need to get 3 out of 6 points. Likely to lose to Mayo and win their last 2 games. But is going to be v tough for them, especially the last match. Verdict, will narrowly avoid the drop.
Kerry: Currently on 4 points -9 points difference Donegal home, Monaghan home, Tyrone away. They will need to get 3 points because of goal difference to be safe as finishing on 6 points will not do Can see them winning their home games, but will be 2 tough games.
Donegal: Currently on 4 points level points difference Kerry away, Tyrone home, Mayo away Must beat Tyrone at home, as we have slim chance of beating kerry in kerry, or Mayo in Castlebar on current form. Serious trouble if we lose v Kerry.
Tyrone: Currently on 4 points -3 points difference Cork home, Donegal away, Kerry home Very tough run in of games, but they are playing well. Can see them staying up but have to get a point v Cork w which I think they will and 2 points from either Donegal or Kerry. I dont expect them to go down.
Monaghan: Currently on 4 points -5 points Derry home, Kerry away, Dublin home Will get their 2 points v Derry but may need a result from either Dublin or Kerry to avoid the drop.
Derry: Currently on 1 point -15 point points difference Monaghan away, Dublin away, Cork home Relegation is now a formality.
Mayo: Currently on 6 points + 18 points difference Dublin home, Cork away, Donegal home Home and dry. Will take more scalps in the league.
Cork: Currently on 6 points + 13 points difference (worth an extra point) Tyrone away, Mayo home, Derry away Have to be fancied to finish strong.
A very good add for the league. There is a lot to play for and teams are going to have to get out of their comfort zones to avoid the drop, never mind make the last 4. I think that we will see a huge last day of the league.
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