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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 16, 2015 20:27:40 GMT
It seemed to me watching TG4 that Stacks were off the pace in the final 20 mins. Being caught for turnovers is a sign that they were as sharp as they should be. They needed Greg Horan to step up like he did against Mid Kerry and Ballincollig but he couldn't find that gear yesterday. A red card should have been shown for that slap into the nose he got for that free. Having said that, stacks made a better fist of it that Crokes did against Ballymun or Castlebar. A few years ago we had Finuge and Crokes preparing to play in semi finals. They should have played each other as preparation. Finuge would have benefitted from playing a better side, Crokes would have benefitted from a physical battle. Ardfert played UCC and other good footballing sides in preparation for the intermediate final. Apparently, Ardfert asked Stacks for a game in the past ten days but were turned down. It looked to me like some of the Stacks players were unprepared or didn't fancy the trenches yesterday. Stacks played UCC aswell!!! So your kinda clutching at straws!!! They only lost by a point, it's unfair on both teams to suggest either were unprepared. Stacks lost because the Derry side were better, nothing else. When all is said and done, more is said than done
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 16, 2015 20:30:31 GMT
Mick I wouldnt say Stacks were under prepared- sometimes the Kerry team just doesnt deserve to win! As I said previously Slaughtneil were better and to be honest that was reflected in the pre-match odds
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 16, 2015 20:55:09 GMT
CROSSMAGLEN Rangers will have an unusual guest at the club this week as former England player David Bentley joins them for training. While Bentley will be running laps for Oisin McConville and John McEntee, Aaron Kernan will be across the Irish Sea training with Sunderland FC. It’s all for the TV programme Trading Places with guests having to swap roles for a week. Bentley will be working at Kernan Property Services LTD for the duration of his stay while Kernan will also have to try and sell houses in the North East of England. He will be able to discuss Armagh matters in Sunderland as the club’s Chief Executive, Margaret Burns, is from his neighbouring parish of Dromintee. The news was first announced in the Cross Examiner, Kernan’s local newspaper. - See more at: gaeliclife.com/2015/02/david-bentley-to-train-with-crossmaglen-rangers/#sthash.afjoK1Ao.dpuf
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 16, 2015 20:55:33 GMT
By Ronan Scott O’Donovan Rossa and Slaughtneil both recorded brilliant victories at the weekend, and they should be applauded. But we should also remember that both are successful dual clubs. Rossa captured the All-Ireland Club Intermediate Hurling Championship title, while Slaughtneil stopped Kieran Donaghy’s Austin Stacks to book their place in the All-Ireland football final. Those were two brilliant results which are a fillip for Ulster GAA, and a reminder that up here we still know a thing or two about both codes. O’Donovan Rossa’s mighty victory suggests that the west Belfast club may be on the brink of becoming a competitive force in Antrim hurling. They last won the senior championship in 2004, the same season when they were edged out of a senior All-Ireland title by Buffers Alley. Similarly, Slaughtneil’s win illustrates that Ballinderry are certainly not the only Derry club that can compete for honours on the big stage. But I think one of the messages to take from this year’s club success is the issue of dual code. Both Slaughtneil and O’Donovan Rossa are competitive in both codes. The former won the hurling and football double at Senior level in 2014, and only missed out on the u-21 and minor football titles to Glen Watty Graham’s. O’Donovan Rossa captured the minor double this year, and a good handful of those minor players featured in Sunday’s win over Kilburn, Gerard Walsh and Deaglan Murphy are two such players who were key to the senior team’s success as well. The argument that dual clubs are only possible when clubs have massive numbers, can be confounded with the evidence that O’Donovan Rossa operate in a corner of West Belfast which is home to three other clubs. Slaughtneil are a rural club who have a very small catchment area. However, there are three reasons why these clubs are successful in a dual capacity. Firstly, there is a strong tradition of playing both codes in West Belfast and in Slaughtneil. Secondly, the two clubs have very good secondary schools providing them with an outlet for both codes, namely St Mary’s CBS and La Salle in West Belfast, and St Patrick’s College Maghera for Slaughtneil. And finally, and this is probably the most important one, both clubs are very good at organising their players. The clubs use proper coaching structures, with plenty of communication between the different management teams so that the players don’t get burnt out, and that they get the best from their squad. When they get that mix right, they can reap the rewards on the biggest stage. - See more at: gaeliclife.com/2015/02/monday-blog-rossa-and-slaughtneil-claim-victory-for-dual-clubs/#sthash.X1UIHExs.dpuf
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Post by seamo on Feb 16, 2015 21:31:56 GMT
CROSSMAGLEN Rangers will have an unusual guest at the club this week as former England player David Bentley joins them for training. While Bentley will be running laps for Oisin McConville and John McEntee, Aaron Kernan will be across the Irish Sea training with Sunderland FC. It’s all for the TV programme Trading Places with guests having to swap roles for a week. Bentley will be working at Kernan Property Services LTD for the duration of his stay while Kernan will also have to try and sell houses in the North East of England. He will be able to discuss Armagh matters in Sunderland as the club’s Chief Executive, Margaret Burns, is from his neighbouring parish of Dromintee. The news was first announced in the Cross Examiner, Kernan’s local newspaper. - See more at: gaeliclife.com/2015/02/david-bentley-to-train-with-crossmaglen-rangers/#sthash.afjoK1Ao.dpufAlready sounds flawed! Why does Kernan have to sell houses if their trading places!!! lol Surely Bentley doesn't sell houses when he's not training??? Kernan should be able to put his feet up when not training, just as Bentley would normally do.
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Post by veteran on Feb 16, 2015 21:48:59 GMT
I am surprised that some people feel that Diarmuid Connolly is over rated ant that he goes missing when tightly marked.
There is no denying this man is top of the range and has been for a number of years. Apart from a volatile temperament, which he seems to be curbing of late, is is difficult to pinpoint a weakness in his game. He has good hands, strength , pace , and above all he is one of the best kickers of the ball in the game, with both feet. This man doesn't need to be fed with easy passes. He can win it independently.
I have seen, for example, Colm Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan , make little impact in games. Does that mean they went missing when tightly marked? We don't have copyright on all the great players down here in Kerry. Applaud the great ones from other counties as well. That makes the game all the more enjoyable.
One other thing. He is well able to look after himself. I like that in a player.
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Post by homerj on Feb 16, 2015 22:39:09 GMT
Connelly is the most over rated player in Ireland at the moment. great player on his day but that comes maybe once a season and then he is average to mediocre for much of the rest of it.
Wouldn't make my top 6 forwards in the game at the moment, Paul Flynn is a much better player for instance, not even close in fact.
Brogan also a level up in terms of consistency.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2015 22:52:16 GMT
Connelly is the most over rated player in Ireland at the moment. great player on his day but that comes maybe once a season and then he is average to mediocre for much of the rest of it. Wouldn't make my top 6 forwards in the game at the moment, Paul Flynn is a much better player for instance, not even close in fact. Brogan also a level up in terms of consistency. Don't know, Brogan, Flynn and Connolly are probably on the same pedestal at the moment.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2015 22:53:08 GMT
Mick I wouldnt say Stacks were under prepared- sometimes the Kerry team just doesnt deserve to win! As I said previously Slaughtneil were better and to be honest that was reflected in the pre-match odds Your a Rockie?
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2015 23:03:31 GMT
It was FIFTY SHADES OR ORANGE in Croker last Saturday. The orange of Brosna was everywhere. One felt sorry for John Mitchells in losing another final but their tiny following were passionate in their support. Brosna were a good bit better in the first half and in Adam Barry they have a classy forward who kicked some lovely points. The twins, Dave and Shane Curtin at midfield had it over their opponents while Tom McGoldrick at 11 was dominant. Before half time, Dave Curtin kicked a point from about 45 yards and raised his fist in the air like Sean ODomhnaill for Galway in 1998. John Mitchells were better in the second half and Brosna were lucky not to concede a goal. The last 5 mins were tension filled with both sides crashing into each other and fighting for every ball. Mitchells brought in back to two but Brosna steadied the ship and won a close in free and that was that. For me, the man that stood out above all others was Aaron Cahill at number 4 for Brosna. He gave a brilliant display. John Mitchells were gallant and sporting losers and I hope their day in the sun will come. Brosna applauded Ardfert onto the field for the next game and the majority of their fans waited on. St Croans scored straight from the throw in and generally dominated matters for the first ten mins. After ten mins Ardfert had clawed their way back into the game and were ahead when the Rossies were denied a clear penalty. Ardfert replaced their midfielder John Dowling with Jerry Wallace and from then on they got a stranglehold on the game which they never relinquished. Ardfert kicked some picture points in that first half and their best player David Griffin cut through for a goal after 20 mins. You don't give this side a 6 point lead and hope to survive. They kicked on in the second half with their tigerisk backline providing the springboard. A succession of brilliantly created and executed points saw the gap widen. St Croans were very unlucky not to raise at least one green flag. Ardferts CHB Daniel Collins was substituted early in the game after taking a blow to the head but they were able to withstand that. The Ardfert side that won the junior and intermediate titles in the past were dogged and defensive. This side has those traits but their attacking ability and scoring ability is of a different class altogether. The Brosna players were there to applaud Ardfert when the cup was being presented all in their orange track suits. I heard one of them say..."Lets try the far corner". And away they slipped to the corner where the Hogan meets the Canal End. A gate was opened and within minutes the whole panel were lamping balls over the bar from all angles while the stewards had their backs to them watching Ardferts celebrations. The photo below tells the tale. The cup is in the middle of all that. Brosna One Stewards Nil. Sean Kelly's brainchild has meant so much to club players. Ardfert brought the cup to Togherban pub in Kilmoyley in honour of Daniel Collins before bringing it to the Ardfert village last night. It was a nice touch. They are an exceptional bunch blessed with a great manager in Pat Driscoll. Delighted for John Egan too. He was captain of the Kerry side that lost the Christy ring Cup in May 2014. He was disconsolate that day. He was brilliant on Saturday picking points for fun.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 16, 2015 23:17:46 GMT
Mick I wouldnt say Stacks were under prepared- sometimes the Kerry team just doesnt deserve to win! As I said previously Slaughtneil were better and to be honest that was reflected in the pre-match odds Your a Rockie? Nope........thankfully not
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2015 23:33:51 GMT
I am a closet rockie. Followed them all over in the 70s. I found yesterdays game so frustrating. A huge opportunity blown.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 17, 2015 0:17:10 GMT
I don't know if they play soccer in Slaughneil but they also won the Derry senior hurling championship in 2014 They wouldn't have time to play soccer! No disrespect to Stacks or Vincent's, but I was really pleased to see Slaughtneil and Corofin win. Great for the rural clubs.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 17, 2015 2:43:48 GMT
I thought st vincents were meant to win a five in a row of club championships, just like dublin in the all Ireland. Funny thing sport.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 17, 2015 8:08:51 GMT
I thought st vincents were meant to win a five in a row of club championships, just like dublin in the all Ireland. Funny thing sport. Haven't you gotten the memo that none of us shouldn't even try anymore because Dublin will dominate football for the next 15 years because they have reinvented the game and play the best football ever witnessed?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 17, 2015 9:05:51 GMT
I don't know if they play soccer in Slaughneil but they also won the Derry senior hurling championship in 2014 They wouldn't have time to play soccer! No disrespect to Stacks or Vincent's, but I was really pleased to see Slaughtneil and Corofin win. Great for the rural clubs. I know you are highlighting a positive thing but the size of the Stacks club does not compare with that of St Vincents --- the population of Tralee is about 25,000 and there are four clubs.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 17, 2015 10:10:37 GMT
They wouldn't have time to play soccer! No disrespect to Stacks or Vincent's, but I was really pleased to see Slaughtneil and Corofin win. Great for the rural clubs. I know you are highlighting a positive thing but the size of the Stacks club does not compare with that of St Vincents --- the population of Tralee is about 25,000 and there are four clubs. Even less of a catchment area if you count all the soccer, rugby and other clubs in Tralee. Also a lot of the outskirts of the town might be close to the catchment area of other clubs and if your parents are from there, which is often the case, you might grow up playing for them. A map of GAA clubs around Kerry Hurling is also quite popular in Tralee and certainly is north of the town. Tralee Dynamos offer soccer at quite a high level and basketball is very popular in Tralee as well as in the rest of Kerry. More than one Kerry player played Basketball as well. Young, Star and Weeshie just a few examples. Despite what people believe Kerry isn't just home to football but to many sports. Obviously the towns offer more sports and with so many different football clubs, hurling clubs and other sports in and around Tralee the actual catchment area of each football club in the town might be closer to 2000 people at best. Still better than some rural clubs of course but not that much more than some rural clubs. It's interesting that the three main clubs in Tralee, Kerins O'Rahillys, Austin Stacks and John Mitchels, were formed as the Tralee Mitchels were too successful and all conquering. The other large town in Kerry, Killarney, of course also has a lot of different clubs. I do get your point about rural clubs doing well though and how important that is for the GAA. I was in Croke Park when St. Gall's defeated Corofin in 2010, but it means as much to people in cities as it does to people in rural areas. I always think about what Dublin success means for those in inner city neighbourhoods in Dublin. Walking up to Croke Park we all pass some of the poorest areas in Ireland, neighbourhoods plagued by drug abuse, unemployment, alcoholism and violence, and you can clearly see that Dublin GAA is the single most important thing in many lives around there. St. Gall's are also based on a particularly bad area of the Falls Road so maybe winning the All Ireland meant even more for them than it would have for Corofin. I think we will see an absolutely classic match on St. Patrick's day and I'm still contemplating whether I will travel or not.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 17, 2015 12:33:02 GMT
An AI for a city club means as much as it would for a rural club, that's true. I'm not denying that. But Slaughtneil's is very small, everything seems to evolve around the club, school, chapel. I mean it's great to see success in a tight knit community, especially in the current climate with people leaving the country and moving to the cities for work.
Many rural clubs in particular will no doubt find it tougher to keep going never mind achieve success in future. As the population migrates towards urban areas, rural success can only be a good thing.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 17, 2015 12:53:00 GMT
An AI for a city club means as much as it would for a rural club, that's true. I'm not denying that. But Slaughtneil's is very small, everything seems to evolve around the club, school, chapel. I mean it's great to see success in a tight knit community, especially in the current climate with people leaving the country and moving to the cities for work. Many rural clubs in particular will no doubt find it tougher to keep going never mind achieve success in future. As the population migrates towards urban areas, rural success can only be a good thing. During the boom years many people moved to rural areas in search of peace and quiet. During the current economic malaise more and more people move back to cities and towns in search of work. Young people move away to the cities to study and often stay there as that's is where the work is. This is even more obvious in Kerry as it is a county with no big city and no university. UCC is full of Kerry people and many of those stick around the city after their studies as they find jobs here. During the boom years there were a lot of alternatives and many people looked at "alternative" jobs. Now that those options are no longer there they either move away or move to the cities. Rural clubs are the first ones to be hit by that move. Ireland is also becoming less and less agrarian and the countryside is emptying at an alarming rate. With few young families in rural areas the problems for rural clubs will only get worse as there would be few youngsters to keep the clubs going. To put things into perspective Slaughtneil winning the All Ireland is the equivalent of Dromid Pearses doing the same.
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 17, 2015 17:02:08 GMT
I am surprised that some people feel that Diarmuid Connolly is over rated ant that he goes missing when tightly marked. There is no denying this man is top of the range and has been for a number of years. Apart from a volatile temperament, which he seems to be curbing of late, is is difficult to pinpoint a weakness in his game. He has good hands, strength , pace , and above all he is one of the best kickers of the ball in the game, with both feet. This man doesn't need to be fed with easy passes. He can win it independently. I have seen, for example, Colm Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan , make little impact in games. Does that mean they went missing when tightly marked? We don't have copyright on all the great players down here in Kerry. Applaud the great ones from other counties as well. That makes the game all the more enjoyable. One other thing. He is well able to look after himself. I like that in a player. For a player of his quality he should be scoring more freely at club level passing,creating are all good but that is really sugar coating his inconsistent form in front of the posts. He showed what he can do against Donegal but doesn't show that form often enough. Castlebar gave him the freedom of the park last March no question about it.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 17, 2015 18:15:10 GMT
We seem to forget that Kerry are not the only county producing great players. Connolly was probably the main reason for Vincent's success over the last few years, just like Dean Rock is arguably the main who got Ballymun an All Ireland title. When the going gets tough those players get you out of trouble and Connolly very often does. We seem to forget how Castlebar Mitchels massacred a Crokes team with the Gooch on it. Castle bar gave Connolly a lot of space but he also created it. Players like Colm O'Neill, Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan, Cono Mortimer, Johnny Doyle, Oisin McConville are all top class players that were not from Kerry and nobody can't deny their absolute brilliance. If they had the kind of players around them the Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan had/have they might have had more success. I think it's unfair to criticise Diarmuid Connolly that much as his pedigree as one of the top forwards in this country is obvious. He does have weaknesses like all player does, but I would put him in the top 5 forwards in this country. I don't like the style of McFadden, McBrearty and Murphy, but I admit they are absolutely top class players. Michael Meehan and Padraig Joyce had weaknesses, but nobody would deny their absolute brilliance. Kerry are blessed with some of the best players in Ireland and an almost limitless pool of natural talent, but I think this is also due to the environment and the believe. Dublin are very busy creating a similar culture and it is paying off. I have very little love for Tyrone but I would immediately agree that Sean Cavanagh and McCurry are very talented players. Is Jamie Clarke not as good a player as any we would produce in Kerry? I have no doubt he would walk on to any team in Ireland without any trouble, just like Eoin Bradley would for example. A believe in Kerry is very good, but we are not the only county producing super players.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 17, 2015 18:31:00 GMT
Players like Colm O'Neill, Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan, Conor Mortimer, Johnny Doyle, Oisin McConville are all top class players... You're stretching it a bit there.
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Post by seamo on Feb 17, 2015 18:41:30 GMT
We seem to forget that Kerry are not the only county producing great players. Connolly was probably the main reason for Vincent's success over the last few years, just like Dean Rock is arguably the main who got Ballymun an All Ireland title. When the going gets tough those players get you out of trouble and Connolly very often does. We seem to forget how Castlebar Mitchels massacred a Crokes team with the Gooch on it. Castle bar gave Connolly a lot of space but he also created it. Players like Colm O'Neill, Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan, Cono Mortimer, Johnny Doyle, Oisin McConville are all top class players that were not from Kerry and nobody can't deny their absolute brilliance. If they had the kind of players around them the Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan had/have they might have had more success. I think it's unfair to criticise Diarmuid Connolly that much as his pedigree as one of the top forwards in this country is obvious. He does have weaknesses like all player does, but I would put him in the top 5 forwards in this country. I don't like the style of McFadden, McBrearty and Murphy, but I admit they are absolutely top class players. Michael Meehan and Padraig Joyce had weaknesses, but nobody would deny their absolute brilliance. Kerry are blessed with some of the best players in Ireland and an almost limitless pool of natural talent, but I think this is also due to the environment and the believe. Dublin are very busy creating a similar culture and it is paying off. I have very little love for Tyrone but I would immediately agree that Sean Cavanagh and McCurry are very talented players. Is Jamie Clarke not as good a player as any we would produce in Kerry? I have no doubt he would walk on to any team in Ireland without any trouble, just like Eoin Bradley would for example. A believe in Kerry is very good, but we are not the only county producing super players. You are completely clouding the issue by bringing ~20 other names into the debate!!! Stick to Connelly's game. He can be a lethal player on his day, but he simply doesn't produce it on a regular enough basis. He's the 3rd best Dublin forward imo, therefore it is hard to understand why he is considered top 2 or 3 in the country.
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Post by donegalman on Feb 17, 2015 18:55:54 GMT
I think that it is a side issue re who won or lost the game in portlaoise on Sunday. Corofin are strong. I give Slaughtneil almost no chance against them, and I am not saying this out of malice or complacency. I just think that Slaughtneil probably pulled out all the stops to win ulster, and have now found themselves in an all ireland club final, while Corofin have a really strong team, and have been around a while at the very top level. Stacks lost out on an opportunity to get to the final, but I really think it was either going to be Vincents or Corofin all along.
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Post by glengael on Feb 17, 2015 19:40:32 GMT
Kerry's fantastic record at Junior and Intermediate continues. Ardfert, who are now specialists at this, Brosna, Finuge, Miltown-Castlemaine,St. Mary's , Castlegregory, Skellig Rangers, St.Michaels Foilmore, am I missing anyone?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 17, 2015 21:47:21 GMT
Over the past six months or so Kerry have firmly re-established themselves as Gaelic football's foremost county. A status that bands of predecessors from the Kingdom had obtained regularly in times past. However such positions of grandeur looked quite unlikely in the Allainz FL campaign of early 2014 as Eamon Fitzmaurice's men stuttered along, just maintaining their Division One standing. The production line of young talent in the south west had as one famous Derry scribe announced, practically dried up. 'Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated', once said American writing great Mark Twain. And like Halley's comet the light emerging from Kerry football grew in intensity as the summer progressed. Suppose the first sight of the emerging star (and we are not talking about one Mr. Donaghy) arrived in the spring when a talented Pobalscoil Chorca Dhuibhne combination brought the All-Ireland senior colleges trophy back to Dingle. Then favourites, yes favourites Cork suffered a humiliating demolition on provincial final day. Sure the men in green and gold rode their luck during the two Mayo games but the mix of the young and the not so young prevailed on All Ireland final day as Donegal were 'out Donegaled'. And to make it a day of all days a splendid Kerry minor team had earlier helped create a double and the Kingdoms first win in the grade since 1994. Kerry football was back on top! There was more to come. Teams from the Kingdom swept through the 2014/15 Munster club championships, winning all three grades. Was the pinnacle reached last weekend? Austin Stacks could have been classed unlucky not to have gained at least a draw in their semi-final clash with Slaughneil. But the strength of Kerry football was much in evidence at HQ the previous evening as both Brosna in the junior and Ardfert at intermediate garnered further All Ireland crowns. And now we have Tommy Walsh back from his adventures Down Under and a recovering Gooch. Talk doing the rounds is about putting titles back to back. Moral of the story – never write off those canny Kerrymen and especially when it comes to football. hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=232150
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Post by seamus on Feb 17, 2015 22:01:39 GMT
Bottom line is Crokes took their foot off the gas in 2014 and Stacks capitalised. Crokes are not an old team by any means. If the teams meet this year in the championship Crokes will be red hot favourites with the bookies and should win comfortably. I'd like to go back to the logic that you previously applied when saying that Crokes were unlucky to meet a good Cross team- but flip that around and you could say that they were lucky to come into a Munster championship where Nemo (or any other Cork team) have been nowhere near the force they were previously. Crokes had a fairly easy field in Munster while still giving up a title to Nemo and almost blowing one against Cratloe- they are and were a good team but your suggestion that they would have won well yesterday, etc is not really backed up by anything- first tough game that they faced, they usually lost. Crokes are 8/13 on to win this year's championship. Stacks are 6/1. Yes 6/1. On that basis a 4-6 point handicap in Crokes favour is about where the bookies would pitch a match up. Crokes are far ahead of the Stacks in every department despite Stacks improvement in 2014. Bookies odds are as good a metric as any other. If Paddy Power is telling us that Crokes are far superior then who am I to disagree.Money talks and bullshet walks and all of that....
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Post by Chinatown on Feb 17, 2015 22:04:30 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 17, 2015 22:20:01 GMT
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Post by keane on Feb 17, 2015 22:21:36 GMT
I'd like to go back to the logic that you previously applied when saying that Crokes were unlucky to meet a good Cross team- but flip that around and you could say that they were lucky to come into a Munster championship where Nemo (or any other Cork team) have been nowhere near the force they were previously. Crokes had a fairly easy field in Munster while still giving up a title to Nemo and almost blowing one against Cratloe- they are and were a good team but your suggestion that they would have won well yesterday, etc is not really backed up by anything- first tough game that they faced, they usually lost. Crokes are 8/13 on to win this year's championship. Stacks are 6/1. Yes 6/1. On that basis a 4-6 point handicap in Crokes favour is about where the bookies would pitch a match up. Crokes are far ahead of the Stacks in every department despite Stacks improvement in 2014. Bookies odds are as good a metric as any other. If Paddy Power is telling us that Crokes are far superior then who am I to disagree.Money talks and bullshet walks and all of that.... Would envisage putting a very big wedge on Crokes if the line was four.
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