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Post by fealeside on Aug 21, 2014 20:43:38 GMT
Fair play to management for making the call on K Young. This has been coming imo. He is far from a centre back and is not good enough to get on ahead of Murphy/Fionn Fitz. Declan Sull is a huge loss and this must be due to injury. Very inexperienced in the forwards but here's to the future
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Post by seamo on Aug 21, 2014 20:44:31 GMT
If guys can't start because of injury (Sheehan + Declan) than it's naive to think they will automatically contribute from the bench. This team and many of the individuals in it will have to produce something beyond what they've produced to date in order for our bench to be allowed have an influence. This could be the making of many of these players going forward, but lets be realistic, it's advantage Mayo now if it wasn't already! I totally disagree Seamo and please bear with me.
If this game is in the melting pot with 10 to go then the players you mention could very well be the difference,
Of course they could be the difference! The players we are both alluding to are great players, so much so that I would have them start! But there not starting, because they are not fully fit. Ok it's a presumption that they are not fully fit, but me presuming that is in fact me paying respect to Eamon and his backroom staff, so don't tell me to respect them when I haven't disrespected them! . For your own "glass half full outlook" (which is fine to have and I hope it occurs), you are relying on two very key factors.... 1. That the game will in fact be in the melting pot with 10 minutes to go (remember we don't have Brian and Declan to get us that far). 2. We than need Brian and Declan to actually be fit enough to contribute in those 10 minutes. They are not fit enough to start of that we know, but if they are able to come on, how fit are they to contribute? Before the team was named, myself and many here would praise the contributions of Brian and Declan, it would be hypocrisy for us now to think that missing them for ~50/60 minutes (if not all) won't have an effect on our ability to win the game. Like I've said, this could be the making of many of our younger players and Kerry will be better for it, but in terms of preperation Mayo now have the edge!!
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Post by seamo on Aug 21, 2014 20:45:46 GMT
Would the bad forecast make a difference?? How are the Westerners when a bhionn ag cur farthainn?? Anyone??? Will I light the second candle for RAIN?? I can and I will if twill help at all. Steady on! There's 3rd cuts of silage still to be saved!!!! lol
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 21, 2014 20:46:41 GMT
No South Kerry man starting for Kerry in an all Ireland semi final. When last did that happen...I have no idea.
Games are now won by the 15 that finishes so maybe we shouldn't get too fixated on the starting 15. I feel that Paul Galvin and Tomas OSe would have been far better off coming with on 15 mins to go against Dublin last year that starting.
The main thing is that all players are fit and well.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 21, 2014 20:47:24 GMT
I have total faith in this Kerry management and team. There would be no player regardless of reputation on the Kerry bench at this stage if they weren't fit enough to make some contribution. Really looking forward to this – big time!
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 21, 2014 20:52:21 GMT
Is there a Dara O Sé recommended sports psychologist involved with the team? (Light hearted).
I would like to think there is for one of our players starting on Sunday.
He is a potential match winner .
If things do not work out for him then PLEASE Eamon act a little quicker this time.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 21, 2014 20:52:21 GMT
Would the bad forecast make a difference?? How are the Westerners when a bhionn ag cur farthainn?? Anyone??? Will I light the second candle for RAIN?? I can and I will if twill help at all. Steady on! There's 3rd cuts of silage still to be saved!!!! lol I'll head for the alter on top of Cnoc na dTobar in the morning with a 10.10.20 bagful of Rosary Beads to pray for the well-being of the south Kerry footballing poets and the safe passage of the team on Sunday.
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Post by kerry4life on Aug 21, 2014 20:53:28 GMT
No free taker. Its a little concerning. I know James, Buckley and Moran can take them but without Cooper or Brian its a slight concern that we may not take many dead ball scores. As the team goes it looks like fitz has gone for legs over experience. Some bench. If we had that bench against Dublin last year I have no doubt we would have won. No guts no glory this is the future of Kerry football and if they get through this than we will be smiling Sunday and quietly confident we can take another piece of the boys in blue. If not than we will at least have learned a lot this year and be better for it next year. I think eamon has done well thus year. Great to see a fresh team
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 21, 2014 20:56:04 GMT
I totally disagree Seamo and please bear with me.
If this game is in the melting pot with 10 to go then the players you mention could very well be the difference,
Of course they could be the difference! The players we are both alluding to are great players, so much so that I would have them start! But there not starting, because they are not fully fit. Ok it's a presumption that they are not fully fit, but me presuming that is in fact me paying respect to Eamon and his backroom staff, so don't tell me to respect them when I haven't disrespected them! . For your own "glass half full outlook" (which is fine to have and I hope it occurs), you are relying on two very key factors.... 1. That the game will in fact be in the melting pot with 10 minutes to go (remember we don't have Brian and Declan to get us that far). 2. We than need Brian and Declan to actually be fit enough to contribute in those 10 minutes. They are not fit enough to start of that we know, but if they are able to come on, how fit are they to contribute? Before the team was named, myself and many here would praise the contributions of Brian and Declan, it would be hypocrisy for us now to think that missing them for ~50/60 minutes (if not all) won't have an effect on our ability to win the game. Like I've said, this could be the making of many of our younger players and Kerry will be better for it, but in terms of preperation Mayo now have the edge!! Sorry Seamo but where have I said you disrespected anybody LOL??
We are all on the same side here
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 21, 2014 20:57:36 GMT
Would the bad forecast make a difference?? How are the Westerners when a bhionn ag cur farthainn?? Anyone??? Will I light the second candle for RAIN?? I can and I will if twill help at all. Steady on! There's 3rd cuts of silage still to be saved!!!! lol In and around CP so bud
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 21, 2014 20:59:40 GMT
No free taker. Its a little concerning. I know James, Buckley and Moran can take them but without Cooper or Brian its a slight concern that we may not take many dead ball scores. As the team goes it looks like fitz has gone for legs over experience. Some bench. If we had that bench against Dublin last year I have no doubt we would have won. No guts no glory this is the future of Kerry football and if they get through this than we will be smiling Sunday and quietly confident we can take another piece of the boys in blue. If not than we will at least have learned a lot this year and be better for it next year. I think eamon has done well thus year. Great to see a fresh team +1
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Post by seamo on Aug 21, 2014 21:01:08 GMT
Of course they could be the difference! The players we are both alluding to are great players, so much so that I would have them start! But there not starting, because they are not fully fit. Ok it's a presumption that they are not fully fit, but me presuming that is in fact me paying respect to Eamon and his backroom staff, so don't tell me to respect them when I haven't disrespected them! . For your own "glass half full outlook" (which is fine to have and I hope it occurs), you are relying on two very key factors.... 1. That the game will in fact be in the melting pot with 10 minutes to go (remember we don't have Brian and Declan to get us that far). 2. We than need Brian and Declan to actually be fit enough to contribute in those 10 minutes. They are not fit enough to start of that we know, but if they are able to come on, how fit are they to contribute? Before the team was named, myself and many here would praise the contributions of Brian and Declan, it would be hypocrisy for us now to think that missing them for ~50/60 minutes (if not all) won't have an effect on our ability to win the game. Like I've said, this could be the making of many of our younger players and Kerry will be better for it, but in terms of preperation Mayo now have the edge!! Sorry Seamo but where have I said you disrespected anybody LOL??
We are all on the same side here
You quoted me... If guys can't start because of injury (Sheehan + Declan) than it's naive to think they will automatically contribute from the bench. This team and many of the individuals in it will have to produce something beyond what they've produced to date in order for our bench to be allowed have an influence. This could be the making of many of these players going forward, but lets be realistic, it's advantage Mayo now if it wasn't already! I said in a previous post that being in a semi final was a great year for Kerry. The young guns have outdone themselves this year so the sights have been risen.
Win or lose on Sunday it is the way forward for this up and coming Kerry Team.
Respect Eamon and back room team .
...and finished with that! So it did sound like you were saying I had disrespected them! lol All good if you didn't mean it that way.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 21, 2014 21:08:12 GMT
This team is not as weak as first glance suggests. The differences compared to the Galway game are: the defence is improved with Crowley in for Young and the centre should not be as porous. Midfield is as good as if Sheehan was playing there. In attack we are swapping an experienced playmaker for an honest skillful player with the enthusiasm of youth. Considering that Declan was very cautious at mixing it against Galway there is very little difference here.
Eamon should have these young guns set a blistering pace from the start and give everything. Then after 50 to 60 minutes there is enough on the bench to finish the job.
The differences are not enough for me to change my opinion - Kerry win by 2 to 5 points.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 21, 2014 21:08:13 GMT
My first reaction if F**K. No Declan and no Sheehan. Our whole defensive plan was based around Declan dropping deep and pinging ball around. I thought Sheehan would add a bit of guile around the middle. I was edging towards Kerry in the last few days but not at all sure now.
Thats a very young half back line. And a terribly one paced half forward line. Throw into the mix and off form Maher and we could be in massive trouble around the middle. Apart from Donnachadha our forwards are all only really in their first or second years as starters. Christ if me pull it off on Sunday with that starting 15 it will be some going.
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Post by veteran on Aug 21, 2014 21:13:25 GMT
We are not clear whether the omission of Declan and Bryan is tactical or injury related. If the former, then it is a daring move by management. Indeed, in spite of his indifferent form, the omission of Killian is also a brave move. Presumably, young Peter will be detailed to chaperone Aiden O'Shea even to the toilet. Could be a winner.
If Bryan was fit I suspect he would be accommodated for his frees alone which could be gold dust on the wet, windy day that is forecast.
Regardless of the outcome, if this youthful team go down roaring it will be a sound investment for the future. I am not conceding mind you. In spite of a quiet demeanour, Eamon projected a cold bloodedness on the field which he has not shed on the sideline. Before his elevation to his current position, he wrote incisively and shrewdly about the game and since he came to power his comments are measured and respectful. Outwardly, he does not get over ebullient in victory or demoralised in defeat. Smart, cold, calculating-some of the traits I appreciate in a manager. Mayo have the form, experience, pedigree and recent victory over course and distance. They should win but may not. I imagine that Eamon is unobtrusively optimistic. So am I.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 21, 2014 21:26:02 GMT
I am surprised to see that Fitz named James as he has meant to have done his shoulder again at training on Tuesday night. Did anyone else hear that? Yes...unfortunately
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 21, 2014 21:32:43 GMT
I am surprised to see that Fitz named James as he has meant to have done his shoulder again at training on Tuesday night. Did anyone else hear that? Yes...unfortunately Ah stop.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 21, 2014 21:34:42 GMT
I think a fit Declan and a fit Sheehan would have made the starting 15 hands down. It's certainly become the norm that certain teams are finishing with their strongest 15. We don't have that luxury. I suspect strongly that it's not a brave call by management but rather a call forced upon them. No way would management risk starting these two boys on the bench to simply finish with our strongest. I'm not buying that.
Buckley and Moran must seriously step up to the plate. It's time they grabbed the bull by the horns now. My main concern is our lack of scoring threat. Our half forward line is not going to score heavily, 2/3 or 4 points maybe from play max. Midfield ain't gonna chip in overmuch either. So massive pressure on the inside lads. We're certainly going to be set up ultra defensive with this team and try to work the ball up asap to the full forward line. Scores may be at a premium.
I always said that it's at this stage of the championship that we'll really miss the Gooch but add Declan and Sheehan to that mix and we really are facing a mountain of a challenge.
Best of luck to all involved. We travel in hope that the young guns and do the business.
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Post by fitz on Aug 21, 2014 21:59:40 GMT
Naming an injured player in a starting 15, makes no sense, not Eamonn's style to date. The bench is very strong, much stronger than last year without question with a variety of options for all lines. I think folks are hard on Killian, I agree he's not a physical or a centre back, Peter is the man for the physics, put the foot under the ball this year please, before encroaching with the hand webs. I watched most of Galway game last night again and Killian was on a shedload of ball, like Micheal O'M called the Rattler, 'He's not a big man, he's not a small man he's a handyman'. Killian will get game time. I think that team is a conjuring of plan 1 of at least 3, a simmering to start with. Johnny B's specific role is perplexing me most, maybe the three man choke in the middle with Mikey and Donners tucking in...
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 21, 2014 22:15:39 GMT
With the exception of seaniebo's last comment I can sense consensus here and our comments reflect that; maybe coincidence that us outsiders 'agree' with the selection of those inside and that is a massive plus. seaniebo, everyone must deliver regardless of what role they play and it is a team v individual effort. Nobody can count points from say HF as players roam so much in the modern game; maybe you are getting a little nervous and all I can say is that Fitzie hasn't let us down yet and all we can do now is get behind our team that is a Kerry panel who make such sacrifice for our entertainment and pride.
The Tattler better start building up his stock!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 21, 2014 22:16:09 GMT
With the exception of seaniebo's last comment I can sense consensus here and our comments reflect that; maybe coincidence that us outsiders 'agree' with the selection of those inside and that is a massive plus. seaniebo, everyone must deliver regardless of what role they play and it is a team v individual effort. Nobody can count points from say HF as players roam so much in the modern game; maybe you are getting a little nervous and all I can say is that Fitzie hasn't let us down yet and all we can do now is get behind our team that is a Kerry panel who make such sacrifice for our entertainment and pride.
I feel a thirts coming on so Tattler better start building up stock!
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Post by sidelined on Aug 21, 2014 22:16:51 GMT
of the three changes the midfield partnership is the most surprising. Sheehan if fit would surely have started both for football ability and free taking. are they trying to match mayo size for size?. Crowley is in to horse it out with aidan o shea. as I said previously the "dropping" of Declan is either very brave or foolish. the man is struggling with knee problems all year. bring him on with 25min to go as game opens out to guide younger lads home. half forward line to play deep cut off space for mayos midfield and defenders to run into and feed quick ball into kerrys full forward line. moran very accurate long foot passer. hope j o d news is wrong, deserves to grace croker again hopefully twice
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 21, 2014 22:16:50 GMT
With the exception of seaniebo's last comment I can sense consensus here and our comments reflect that; maybe coincidence that us outsiders 'agree' with the selection of those inside and that is a massive plus. seaniebo, everyone must deliver regardless of what role they play and it is a team v individual effort. Nobody can count points from say HF as players roam so much in the modern game; maybe you are getting a little nervous and all I can say is that Fitzie hasn't let us down yet and all we can do now is get behind our team that is a Kerry panel who make such sacrifice for our entertainment and pride.
I feel a thirst coming on so Tattler & Co better start building up stock!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 21, 2014 22:20:05 GMT
This was the team v Donegal in 2012.
Some rebuilding job being done in two years
Kerry: Brendan Kealy; Marc Ó Sé, Aidan O’Mahony, Shane Enright; Tomás Ó Sé, Eoin Brosnan, Killian Young; Anthony Maher, Bryan Sheehan; Paul Galvin, Declan O’Sullivan, Donnchadh Walsh; James O’Donoghue, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy.
Subs used: Brian Maguire for Brosnan (25 mins), Darran O’Sullivan for Young (32), Johnny Buckley for Sheehan, Kieran O’Leary for Declan O’Sullivan (both 46), Patrick Curtin for O’Donoghue (57).
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Post by gamechanger10 on Aug 21, 2014 22:20:54 GMT
Don't think it's all doom and gloom as some appear to be searching for something white to tie to the stick,,,, we are Kerry and I'm sure Eamon has picked his best options in place of the clearly injured players. Mayo have not been tested yet and as usual they are watching sports movies for feel good endings and professional sound bites "any given Sunday" "these men are like my brothers" etc etc etc. Kerry are strong in mind and possess some great backs, potentially great midfielders and forwards with flair, guile and unbridled belief. As has been stated over and over again we need to win or break even in the middle. For this to happen one or two players that haven't been setting the world alight will have to show the type of form that got them the numbers on those coveted jerseys. We need a warrior out there so if they vanish into their shell then don't leave them out there for 50 odd minutes as happened last year against the Late Late Show guests,,, (Cody has a simple philosophy,, if one of his warriors is not swinging the sword with the desired effect he is replaced the moment his fellow warriors are in dander of being hindered by his failings) Eamon I don't suppose you read these posts but if you do thank you for your efforts and commitment, but limit potential damage by firm timely action, a player having a bad day needs to be relieved of his duties sooner rather than later, we have great men on that bench,,, for God sake if we need them don't deny them an opportunity to be all that they can be and lead us to victory ,,,, Ciarrai Abu,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:29:42 GMT
I have to think it must be Injuries because I think you have to start Declan and Sheehan in a game like this . Besides Sheehans Free Taking and Declans ability to get on the ball and bring players into the game you also have to think of Experience and the Physical side of things . Mayo will be physical and bring it from the word go I have no doubt about it and You will need players like that in there from the start . They are big losses and it will be a big ask of the younger players if Mayo start well and go 3 or 4 points up early . Maher also is not playing well and if Sheehan was fit he would be on ahead of him in my opinion . Despite all that if Maher and Moran start well and we get an upper hand around midfield and get good ball into O'Brien , Geaney and O'Donoghue we have 3 top scorers to do damage and we have a great chance of pulling off. A lot will come down to how we start and how we do in the Middle . Mayo are beatable for sure so I think we do have a good chance of an upset . What are the odds on a draw ? .
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 21, 2014 22:31:01 GMT
Stop this crap about Moran stepping up to the plate as if he played poorly against Galway. He had a fine game. Crowley decision could be the winning of this game
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Post by seamo on Aug 21, 2014 22:38:45 GMT
With the exception of seaniebo's last comment I can sense consensus here and our comments reflect that; maybe coincidence that us outsiders 'agree' with the selection of those inside and that is a massive plus. seaniebo, everyone must deliver regardless of what role they play and it is a team v individual effort. Nobody can count points from say HF as players roam so much in the modern game; maybe you are getting a little nervous and all I can say is that Fitzie hasn't let us down yet and all we can do now is get behind our team that is a Kerry panel who make such sacrifice for our entertainment and pride. The Tattler better start building up his stock! They have to be counted from somewhere other than JOD and PG. Yes players roam, but teams still need a spread of scorers. We don't get the scoring contribution from our HB's and MF like other teams do, so it is up to the HF line to contribute that little bit more. This is even more true on Sunday when it's likely Mayo will give extra attention to JOD; so a 4/5+ point contribution from play from the likes of Buckley, Donnacha and MG will be needed/expected.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 21, 2014 22:53:45 GMT
With the exception of seaniebo's last comment I can sense consensus here and our comments reflect that; maybe coincidence that us outsiders 'agree' with the selection of those inside and that is a massive plus. seaniebo, everyone must deliver regardless of what role they play and it is a team v individual effort. Nobody can count points from say HF as players roam so much in the modern game; maybe you are getting a little nervous and all I can say is that Fitzie hasn't let us down yet and all we can do now is get behind our team that is a Kerry panel who make such sacrifice for our entertainment and pride. The Tattler better start building up his stock! They have to be counted from somewhere other than JOD and PG. Yes players roam, but teams still need a spread of scorers. We don't get the scoring contribution from our HB's and MF like other teams do, so it is up to the HF line to contribute that little bit more. This is even more true on Sunday when it's likely Mayo will give extra attention to JOD; so a 4/5+ point contribution from play from the likes of Buckley, Donnacha and MG will be needed/expected. I agree with seamo. Kerry need to kick 7 or 8 points from distance. I think they may have managed two against Dublin in 2013. Not good enough at all
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 21, 2014 22:59:30 GMT
With the exception of seaniebo's last comment I can sense consensus here and our comments reflect that; maybe coincidence that us outsiders 'agree' with the selection of those inside and that is a massive plus. seaniebo, everyone must deliver regardless of what role they play and it is a team v individual effort. Nobody can count points from say HF as players roam so much in the modern game; maybe you are getting a little nervous and all I can say is that Fitzie hasn't let us down yet and all we can do now is get behind our team that is a Kerry panel who make such sacrifice for our entertainment and pride. The Tattler better start building up his stock! I'm only calling it as it is or at least how I see it. Of course each individual player must play at his optimum or close enough to it. That goes without saying at this stage of the year. So be it nervousness or whatever you'd like to call it my point is have we enough scoring power to do enough damage? Each and every player could and hopefully will play out of his skin. But it's all well and good doing that if it's not reflected on the score board. So to answer my own question I think we could be found wanting on the most important stat at the end of the day. I remain optimistic but Mayo must be licking their lips.
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