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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 8, 2016 23:35:14 GMT
There is a great bit in Jack's book too about this tournament. Yeah I remember that. Epic Bants (in the parlance of our times). Good piece by Darragh. And great to see a Lebowski line, anytime....
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 9, 2016 6:43:56 GMT
Yeah I remember that. Epic Bants (in the parlance of our times). Good piece by Darragh. And great to see a Lebowski line, anytime.... Shut the * up Donny.
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Post by gbbuei on Jun 11, 2016 5:27:02 GMT
The caption says Darragh is being tackled by Paul Kerrigan of Tara's. It's actually Jason Ryan, the former Wexford and Kildare manager.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 11, 2016 23:34:11 GMT
Good piece by Darragh. And great to see a Lebowski line, anytime.... Shut the * up Donny.
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Post by glengael on Jun 14, 2016 11:27:23 GMT
Is he gone from Sky? I don't subscribe but I've noticed all the advertising this year in print and terrestrial is very Canavan-centric.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:55:40 GMT
Is he gone from Sky? I don't subscribe but I've noticed all the advertising this year in print and terrestrial is very Canavan-centric. Ya,its all Canavan That ad where at the end he say to Jim McGuinness "Jim its not easy to win a title" That annoys the hell out of me for some reason
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 14, 2016 12:19:22 GMT
Is he gone from Sky? I don't subscribe but I've noticed all the advertising this year in print and terrestrial is very Canavan-centric. Ya,its all Canavan That ad where at the end he say to Jim McGuinness "Jim its not easy to win a title" That annoys the hell out of me for some reason Yeah me too... it's like it cut out before McG gets a chance to respond or something.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 15, 2016 10:30:07 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 15, 2016 14:08:17 GMT
Sky has an Ulster strategy to gain as much market share v RTE, Ulster is split between BBC and RTE so the opportunity to divide and conquer, and they have a big base to start with as counties like Donegal are massive legacy soccer strongholds. That Tyrone are on the up and McGuinness is with Celtic is the giveaway.
I saw all this coming hence my warning re Sky, there was little point is getting into specifics as whatever chance one had of being believed on the basics, the powers that be would only laugh at the possibilities of such eventualities. Media rights where amateur sports are concerned is a hot potato, and while there is an intrinsic amateur element in all sport, the GAA is most at danger here. If they aren't careful it will go the same as Munster Rugby, who bit the hand that fed it, and I have it on good authority that Connaught acknowledge the contribution of Gaelic to their success, it was like Currow and Kerry rugby players.
And yes, Darragh nails it again, Paidi staring him out of it!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 15, 2016 22:10:21 GMT
I can remember after Cork beat us in an under 21 game, maybe last year, that there was someone posting up messages from Cork GAA fan sites where they were outlining their delight at winning and calling it an example of "keeping their foots on the f*ckers throats".
At the time I found this to be pointless and needless aggression from a bunch of keyboard hardmen who probably didnt even go to the matches. Maybe it makes me a petty man but I cant help but think back to such comments and smile to myself about the whole thing.
I agree wholeheartedly with Darragh- the players are at fault and need to stop making excuse- it's also rare enough that out of all the counties in Munster that Cork have the least chance of an All Ireland in one of the codes this year.
Us- football, Waterford- hurling, etc.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 16, 2016 0:12:32 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly with Darragh- the players are at fault and need to stop making excuse- it's also rare enough that out of all the counties in Munster that Cork have the least chance of an All Ireland in one of the codes this year. Us- football, Waterford- hurling, etc. We would both need to get past the Leinster kingpins.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 16, 2016 5:07:11 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly with Darragh- the players are at fault and need to stop making excuse- it's also rare enough that out of all the counties in Munster that Cork have the least chance of an All Ireland in one of the codes this year. Us- football, Waterford- hurling, etc. We would both need to get past the Leinster kingpins. The point was lost on you! Forget it!
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 16, 2016 6:33:36 GMT
We would both need to get past the Leinster kingpins. The point was lost on you! Forget it! No need for that! Remember that communication is a two way process and if your point wasn't picked up perhaps you should look at how you are expressing it? I took from the final line of you post that you were saying that ourselves in Football and Waterford in hurling were the most likely Munster counties to win an All Ireland this year in contrast to Cork who is the least likely to win in either code - a very good point and probably true. My post was simply amplifying this Please accept my sincere apologies if I have missed any other glaringly obvious interpretation.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 16, 2016 8:08:50 GMT
The point was lost on you! Forget it! No need for that! Remember that communication is a two way process and if your point wasn't picked up perhaps you should look at how you are expressing it? I took from the final line of you post that you were saying that ourselves in Football and Waterford in hurling were the most likely Munster counties to win an All Ireland this year in contrast to Cork who is the least likely to win in either code - a very good point and probably true. My post was simply amplifying this Please accept my sincere apologies if I have missed any other glaringly obvious interpretation. A bear doesnt apologise for mauling a person- it's just their nature
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 16, 2016 8:33:38 GMT
No need for that! Remember that communication is a two way process and if your point wasn't picked up perhaps you should look at how you are expressing it? I took from the final line of you post that you were saying that ourselves in Football and Waterford in hurling were the most likely Munster counties to win an All Ireland this year in contrast to Cork who is the least likely to win in either code - a very good point and probably true. My post was simply amplifying this Please accept my sincere apologies if I have missed any other glaringly obvious interpretation. A bear doesnt apologise for mauling a person- it's just their nature If you poke the bear you should expect to get mauled!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 16, 2016 9:09:25 GMT
A bear doesnt apologise for mauling a person- it's just their nature If you poke the bear you should expect to get mauled! Haha- nicely played!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2016 22:41:41 GMT
Darragh strays in Brolly territory with his latest article on Cork in my opinion.
Paul Galvin tweeted on Sunday morning that Tipp have a big chance against Cork and I wondered was Paul losing the plot, Werent Tipp after losing several players to hurling and to the US not to mention Colin ORiordan to OZ. They also had a lot of injuries so I reckoned that Tipp had gone well back since 2015 and their 8 point win over Waterford didnt seem great.
I would say that Cork were caught napping. They fell 8 behind and just when they started clawing it back their keeper gifted a goal to Cork like Kerry did v Dublin in the NFL. Back to 9 points but Cork clawed it back and levelled it but Tipp came again to win it and Cork had no time to respond. This was miles away from lying down in front of Dublin in the league final of 2015 for which Tomas rightly criticised Cork.
Cork have lost their Seamus Moynihan to hurling in the form of Aiden Walsh. Players like Seamus Moynihan are unique.
In 2015 they were let down by their manager and county board in the reaction to the Munster final the whole season fizzled out v Kildare. Contrast that to the waterford hurling manager after the league final v Clare in 2016 when he made no issue of the last Tony Kelly free and just moved on to the next challenge.
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Post by seaniebo on Jun 18, 2016 0:28:21 GMT
Darragh strays in Brolly territory with his latest article on Cork in my opinion. Paul Galvin tweeted on Sunday morning that Tipp have a big chance against Cork and I wondered was Paul losing the plot, Werent Tipp after losing several players to hurling and to the US not to mention Colin ORiordan to OZ. They also had a lot of injuries so I reckoned that Tipp had gone well back since 2015 and their 8 point win over Waterford didnt seem great. I would say that Cork were caught napping. They fell 8 behind and just when they started clawing it back their keeper gifted a goal to Cork like Kerry did v Dublin in the NFL. Back to 9 points but Cork clawed it back and levelled it but Tipp came again to win it and Cork had no time to respond. This was miles away from lying down in front of Dublin in the league final of 2015 for which Tomas rightly criticised Cork. Cork have lost their Seamus Moynihan to hurling in the form of Aiden Walsh. Players like Seamus Moynihan are unique. In 2015 they were let down by their manager and county board in the reaction to the Munster final the whole season fizzled out v Kildare. Contrast that to the waterford hurling manager after the league final v Clare in 2016 when he made no issue of the last Tony Kelly free and just moved on to the next challenge. Although I take your point Mickmack I must say that Aidan Walsh and Seamus Moynihan should never be mentioned in the same sentence!
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 18, 2016 6:18:46 GMT
Darragh strays in Brolly territory with his latest article on Cork in my opinion. Paul Galvin tweeted on Sunday morning that Tipp have a big chance against Cork and I wondered was Paul losing the plot, Werent Tipp after losing several players to hurling and to the US not to mention Colin ORiordan to OZ. They also had a lot of injuries so I reckoned that Tipp had gone well back since 2015 and their 8 point win over Waterford didnt seem great. I would say that Cork were caught napping. They fell 8 behind and just when they started clawing it back their keeper gifted a goal to Cork like Kerry did v Dublin in the NFL. Back to 9 points but Cork clawed it back and levelled it but Tipp came again to win it and Cork had no time to respond. This was miles away from lying down in front of Dublin in the league final of 2015 for which Tomas rightly criticised Cork. Cork have lost their Seamus Moynihan to hurling in the form of Aiden Walsh. Players like Seamus Moynihan are unique. In 2015 they were let down by their manager and county board in the reaction to the Munster final the whole season fizzled out v Kildare. Contrast that to the waterford hurling manager after the league final v Clare in 2016 when he made no issue of the last Tony Kelly free and just moved on to the next challenge. Although I take your point Mickmack I must say that Aidan Walsh and Seamus Moynihan should never be mentioned in the same sentence! And Darragh and Brolly shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence either! Though I see where you are coming from: speaking the truth with the dagger barely concealed. However Darragh could never be as personally abusive as Brolly although it is clear that he is taking great pleasure out of Cork's current woes. As you rightly imply, Cork are not as bad and Tipperary not as good as that single game suggests. If Cork rather than Tipp had scored the last two points we would be talking about their skill and determination in fighting back and how Tipp once again had let a golden opportunity slip through their fingers. Truly a short distance between a pat in the back and a boot in the rear end!
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2016 8:15:22 GMT
True, but at the end of the day, Cork have lost their last two championship games to Kildare and Tipperary, two teams that have played in div 3 of the NFL this year and have been relegated to div 2 themselves!
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Post by glengael on Jun 29, 2016 12:12:21 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: Time for Mayo to stand together and bounce back Defeat Fermanagh and they can rediscover real momentum along the qualifer route about 7 hours ago Darragh Ó Sé
0 If Mayo are going to salvage anything, then the next couple of weeks are the most important all year.
I had plenty of sympathy for the Kildare and Westmeath players on Sunday having to play their game in Croke Park after the Ireland-France match in the Euros. I wasn’t surprised the first half the game was terrible – the players were warming up on the pitch while the last five minutes of the game was playing on the big screen with George Hamilton’s commentary booming out. You’d want to be made of some stuff to keep your mind on the job, wouldn’t you?
We had a similar situation when Ireland played Spain in 2002. We were playing Cork in Killarney on a miserable day and we were below at the Crokes pitch across from Fitzgerald Stadium doing a bit of a warm-up as it was on. Every once in a while, some fella would shout that there was a penalty or a goal or that it was gone to extra-time.
And we were all studiously pretending not to be interested but sure it was a huge distraction. Páidí Ó Sé was in charge at the time and he was going mad. He was telling us to ignore it all but sure how could you? And it going to penalties and everything? You’d want to be made of stone.
Funny enough, the one fella who had no interest in it and didn’t look sideways at it was Mike Frank Russell. He could not have cared less. As it went to penalties, more and more of us drifted over to the TV to watch it but he sat away in the corner of the dressing room not giving it a second thought.
Then he went out and scored six of our eight points, three of them from play. In bad conditions, every one of them was a screamer from a bad angle. Páidí made a big show of pointing out to us afterwards that Mike Frank was the only one who was focused on what he should have been focused on. Our one saving grace was the Cork could only manage eight points as well – I presume their preparation was similar to ours. They beat us well in the replay anyway.
That was our first time in the qualifiers. I always think there are three types of teams in the qualifiers. Half of them are just killing time until it’s all over so they can get on with the summer and forget about the whole thing. Most of the rest are hoping to go on a run, get a bit of momentum and maybe make a quarter-final or even a semi-final if it all goes well. And each year there is usually one team in there who still have the All-Ireland in mind.
That’s the spot Mayo are sitting in today. The year isn’t a disaster – yet. They aren’t out of the running for Sam Maguire – yet. But if they’re going to salvage anything, then the next couple of weeks are the most important all year.
This is a total step into the unknown for a lot of them. They’ve won five Connacht titles in a row so there’s a fair chance that maybe half the team that takes on Fermanagh the weekend after next have never played in a qualifier. Not just the younger lads either. Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Cillian O’Connor – the only thing these guys have ever known at this point in the summer is success. We don’t know how they’re going to react.
More to the point, they don’t know how they’re going to react either. Those guys are leaders so you’d expect good things from them but there are no guarantees. The qualifiers mean coming up against teams you’re not used to, often in venues you’re not used to. Instead of having three weeks to focus in on your next opposition, you’re going from week to week. Time gets squeezed and you end up having to come up with gameplans off the cuff. There is no comfort zone.
That’s not necessarily a bad thing. The first year we were in the qualifiers, we played Wicklow, followed by Fermanagh, followed by Kildare. We knew some of the Kildare guys alright but we played Wicklow and Fermanagh seven days apart and they were a mystery to us. We didn’t know what we were walking ourselves into.
Even just turning up to O’Moore Park for the game against Wicklow was a strange feeling. I might have been there for a league game or maybe an under-21 game before but that was about it. Going there for a championship game was a big departure.
We’d have been used to Killarney or Páirc Uí Chaoimh or the Gaelic Grounds or Croke Park. All of a sudden you’re in Portlaoise and you don’t know what way the wind usually blows or how wide the pitch is or any of the small things you take for granted. Bad spot But obviously, none of that matters as much as the fact that you’ve lost a game and you have to go about bouncing back. Mayo are in a bad spot, any way you look at it. It’s not as though they lost an epic battle against Galway – they were terrible, plain and simple. Worse, there doesn’t seem to be any obvious reason for it. That’s a worrying place to be starting from.
If you’re an older player in that situation, you’re looking around the dressing room trying to cajole a performance out of the guys around you. You’re doing it with half a guilty conscience too because you know you’re probably not in great shape yourself. But it’s as if you’re saying, ‘Well look, if one of us steps up, the rest of us will.’
Whether you believe it or not is another story. In all honesty, you’re trying to convince yourself as much as the rest of them. And they’re doing the same when they’re talking to you. There’s a lot of big talk going on. But at least it’s based on the fact that you know the good stuff is in there somewhere.
Mayo have been in some of the biggest and best games in the country for the last five years. They’ve beaten some of the best teams and played some of the best football. But they have no All-Ireland. Don’t underestimate that factor when it comes to their state of mind. They’re still feeling their way towards one, hoping to hit on the right formula eventually. Plus, they’ve always gone through the front door.
So as much as they’ll be favourites against Fermanagh, they must have doubts about where they’re at. Think of the things feeding into their situation here. They got rid of their management over the winter. They had a poor league. They lost their Connacht title after a brutal display. All the optimism of the last few years is old news now. Sticky opposition And Fermanagh are sticky opposition. Mayo aren’t easing themselves in against Carlow or Leitrim. Pete McGrath will have Fermanagh sizing up Mayo from a mile out. He will have them believing that they’re vulnerable and ripe for the picking. These guys gave the Dubs a rattle and weren’t one bit afraid of them in Croke Park last year. Why would they think they couldn’t catch Mayo on the hop?
I’ve heard some fellas saying this a big test of Stephen Rochford. I wouldn’t be so sure about that. To me, this is a players’ challenge. The thing that will get the Mayo players through this first test in the qualifiers is being true to the journey they’ve been on over the past five years. It’s looking at each other and saying, “No way are we going to go out in early July, not after what we’ve been through.”
Rochford has to be careful how he plays it. With the best will in the world, there’ll be players in that dressing room ignoring him in the build-up and playing out their own scenarios in their heads. They’ll be going (in their heads), “Yeah, fine, whatever. Little you’d know about it, boss. You weren’t here.”
This is a very fragile situation and it takes a serious operator to stand back and recognise that the players have to drive it.
The flipside is that this can turn around very quickly. Mayo only have to fall over the line against Fermanagh and suddenly things look a lot different. The adrenaline shot you get from a scare is no bad thing. You’re more alert, more focussed. You’re back on the road saying ‘Bring it on’.
That summer of 2002, we found ourselves through the qualifiers. We started scoring freely against Wicklow and Fermanagh and Kildare and by the time we got to Croke Park to play Galway, we were flying it. They were defending All-Ireland champions but we beat them out the gate. The bus That was the first time we played in Croke Park where we didn’t take the train up to Dublin – we flew up and got the bus home. I still say that bus journey home was one of the greatest bonding sessions that team ever had. There was something different about being on the bus instead of the train. You felt it was more your own environment or something.
We stopped in The Poitín Still in Rathcoole and stocked up on beers for the journey home. We had to stop a few more times along the way because some of the lads were poor drinkers and got travel sickness. All through the bus, you could see fellas loosening up. Players, selectors, everyone came together.
By the time we got back in for training on the Tuesday night, half the squad – and half the management – had been sick for a day and a half after it. The craic had come back into it, the enjoyment was there again. Unknown to us, we had found the thing that made us want this to last a bit longer.
That’s all Mayo need out of the qualifiers. Hit on that thing that will make them stronger and make them enjoy the journey again. If they beat Fermanagh, they’ll be on the right track and I’d expect them to kick on from there.
But they have a few nervous days ahead of them before that.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 30, 2016 22:39:41 GMT
Fermanagh could be a real banana skin for Mayo. They play without fear but if Mayo win this one it could give them s real boost for the season. It would be ironic if Mayo finally won their All Ireland in the year where they were dumped out of Connaught at the semi-final stage.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 6, 2016 11:31:46 GMT
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Post by fitz on Jul 6, 2016 15:20:26 GMT
Lots of storytelling padding - no focused analysis of the game last Sunday(given the Kerry team was the focus), with specific comments about the glaring issues (just in case anything might be given away). Let's be honest, if he didn't have a legendary legacy as one of the greatest midifelds to play the game - we'd be flaying him on some of his copy.
I nearly always depict his opinions as those jotted down with a gatt in the hand. I wish they were more serious, incisive and cutting, and much less light-hearted.
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Post by keane on Jul 6, 2016 15:31:19 GMT
95% of his articles are about guys not having a cut or how much guys should want to have a cut.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 6, 2016 15:46:13 GMT
Lots of storytelling padding - no focused analysis of the game last Sunday(given the Kerry team was the focus), with specific comments about the glaring issues (just in case anything might be given away). Let's be honest, if he didn't have a legendary legacy as one of the greatest midifelds to play the game - we'd be flaying him on some of his copy. I nearly always depict his opinions as those jotted down with a gatt in the hand. I wish they were more serious, incisive and cutting, and much less light-hearted. Light-hearted and entertaining has its place and I find a lot of his articles entertaining. I thought this article, however, was neither light-hearted nor heavy-weight. Next week might be better.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 6, 2016 16:41:18 GMT
That Darragh is a thundering hoor after what he said to that poor Armagh woman in this weeks column and which is a all a bit of fresh air by comparison with they way the rest of us are thinking. My head has me saying that Mayo are the only top team that might have the legs to stay with The Dubs and that they pushed them last year might suggest they could go one better, though you'd have to have doubts given that they could have gone back and the blues haven't quiet wilted!
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 7, 2016 5:18:29 GMT
That Darragh is a thundering hoor after what he said to that poor Armagh woman in this weeks column and which is a all a bit of fresh air by comparison with they way the rest of us are thinking. My head has me saying that Mayo are the only top team that might have the legs to stay with The Dubs and that they pushed them last year might suggest they could go one better, though you'd have to have doubts given that they could have gone back and the blues haven't quiet wilted! Sorry but I have no sympathy for the poor Armagh woman. I have had several similar conversations along the lines of how soft we have it and it's not a real All Ireland unless we beat an Ulster team. By that reckoning 2014 must have been our best year ever but apparently it was the worst!
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Post by glengael on Jul 7, 2016 8:55:52 GMT
95% of his articles are about guys not having a cut or how much guys should want to have a cut. And it could be argued that, in a nutshell, that sums up the the winning of All Irelands and the losing of them....
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Post by keane on Jul 7, 2016 10:02:29 GMT
95% of his articles are about guys not having a cut or how much guys should want to have a cut. And it could be argued that, in a nutshell, that sums up the the winning of All Irelands and the losing of them.... FFS, it does in its hole.
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