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Post by kerrygold on May 25, 2016 22:44:49 GMT
Darragh calling for Sheehan between the sticks?
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Post by derry4sam on May 26, 2016 12:36:42 GMT
How did I forget about Paddy Kelly!! Jack O'Connor was very fond of him. Sheehan would sort the kick out problem definitely but would the man be open to the switch? I doubt it.
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Post by Jigz84 on May 26, 2016 12:45:02 GMT
How did I forget about Paddy Kelly!! Jack O'Connor was very fond of him. Sheehan would sort the kick out problem definitely but would the man be open to the switch? I doubt it. As another poster pointed out previously, there's a big difference between aiming at a stationary target and a moving target.
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Post by givehimaball on May 26, 2016 14:23:05 GMT
According to terracetalk, these are the only 4 players who started a game midfield with Dara in Croke Park against the Dubs in either championship or league.
Donal Daly Paddy Kelly Seamus Scanlon William Kirby
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Post by Jigz84 on May 26, 2016 14:36:38 GMT
According to terracetalk, these are the only 4 players who started a game midfield with Dara in Croke Park against the Dubs in either championship or league. Donal Daly Paddy Kelly Seamus Scanlon William Kirby Yea he's definitely referring to Paddy Kelly and as the lads have stated above, Hill 16 wasn't open that day in 2004.
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Post by derry4sam on May 26, 2016 15:15:03 GMT
How did I forget about Paddy Kelly!! Jack O'Connor was very fond of him. Sheehan would sort the kick out problem definitely but would the man be open to the switch? I doubt it. As another poster pointed out previously, there's a big difference between aiming at a stationary target and a moving target. Should have no problem finding Moran so, he always looks pretty stationary to me
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2016 8:27:19 GMT
According to terracetalk, these are the only 4 players who started a game midfield with Dara in Croke Park against the Dubs in either championship or league. Donal Daly Paddy Kelly Seamus Scanlon William Kirby Yea he's definitely referring to Paddy Kelly and as the lads have stated above, Hill 16 wasn't open that day in 2004. Hard to imagine a player, on his Croke Park and championship debut, such as Paddy would make a comment like that to an established midfield partner. It might look like another lose comment from an O'Se.
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Post by onlykerry on May 27, 2016 13:23:57 GMT
Speak with the four candidates and its easy pick the one out!!! In the modern game the wing forwards and back (to a lesser extent) are the first guys to be subbed - they run themselves into the ground.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 27, 2016 13:33:17 GMT
Paddy was rebellious and a loose cannon, but that is part of the psyche of players on the big stage and nobody take a blind bit of notice, I'd say that would be minor by comparison with other stuff, I recall Gooch being disappointed that they were effectively 'bugged' in AI final '15, and wasn't it on TV.
There was a terrier running loose on the pitch of a day and as officials scrambled to tackle the wee mutt, Seamus Moynihan suggested that they put referee Seamus McEnaney outside the fence instead and give the whistle to the dog.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 27, 2016 14:53:55 GMT
You have to give him 100% for originality. His article last week on fund raising was also revealing and again highlights the true picture of the GAA.
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Post by glengael on May 27, 2016 18:34:27 GMT
I'd forgive players not recalling precise and exact details of every single match they have played particularly when so many of them were in a reasonably/ jam packed Croke Park. I was in the Lower Hogan that day in 2004 , towards the Hill side and I didn't remember that it wasn't open that day.
The prize goes to the person who can tell us why it wasn't open.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 27, 2016 22:22:05 GMT
The new Hill was under construction. It was the last piece of the redevelopment of HQ. Still looks unfinished but not as bad as one end of that Lansdowne Road.
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Post by Chinatown on May 28, 2016 22:44:06 GMT
Darragh made the same mistake as Paul Galvin did in his book when describing that 2004 game v Dublin. Both went on about the Hill, forgetting the Hill was closed the same day "..you can check out any time you like but you can never leave..."
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Post by buck02 on Jun 1, 2016 8:40:30 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 1, 2016 11:23:30 GMT
Jeez the Dubs would really be struggling to find anything to get irritated about in that - anyway they're all probably too busy planning for the expedition to the far off reaches of Kilkenny at the moment to be in cranky mood this week. I think the big advantage this time around Dublin have in going for the back-to-back is getting "caught out" in 2014. They're going to be way more wary this year for anything and everything.
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Post by glengael on Jun 2, 2016 8:39:28 GMT
'But the problem with hunger is that it’s always an underlying thing. It wouldn’t just have been me that was calculating. Everybody else would have had their own little arrangement to make with themselves. Add it all up, a small thing here and a small thing there, and all of a sudden you’re standing in the middle of Croke Park wondering why the other crowd are first to every ball'
Great nugget that you can apply to life in general and wherever your Croke Park is...
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 2, 2016 9:49:56 GMT
'But the problem with hunger is that it’s always an underlying thing. It wouldn’t just have been me that was calculating. Everybody else would have had their own little arrangement to make with themselves. Add it all up, a small thing here and a small thing there, and all of a sudden you’re standing in the middle of Croke Park wondering why the other crowd are first to every ball' Great nugget that you can apply to life in general and wherever your Croke Park is...
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 2, 2016 13:24:14 GMT
Well, for what it's worth, let's just be honest here, with DOSé's form, of course he is heaping it on in large spoons, at every opportunity. Just as Tomás is too. They've been at it pretty much since early 2014. Which is not to say there aren't lots of sensible points in this article. Just a shame that the agenda is always, always just underneath. He knows all the buttons to press and how to press them. At the end of the day we lost our rock at full-back, and our player of the year, also a back. It's a huge loss to any team. A great Kerry team struggled when they lost Mike McCarthy and did much better when he came back, for example. I think we could possibly afford to lose Jack but Rory is the bad blow
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Post by taggert on Jun 2, 2016 16:55:59 GMT
Ah Jeez rashers you're loading it on a bit thick now. The truth is Dublin have the best players, team, manager and support in this country by a distance. If anyone can absorb the loss of 2 players it is Dublin. I work in Dublin and to a man every Dublin supporter I know expects Dublin to win SAM. Darragh's article is very much the player angle and how hunger is often the difference - the inches - when the margins are small. The thing is, the margin is huge in Leinster, will be as big at QF stage and will only shrink at SF and Final stage. Overwhelming favourites and rightly so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 20:17:03 GMT
Ah come on rashers. Stop trying so hard looking for angles that are not there.
Dublin are by far the best team in the country and are rightly hot favourites to retain Sam. That is not being a cute hoor it is just the reality.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2016 20:51:34 GMT
Rashers told us last year that all the Kerry scribes were in cahoots tipping Dublin to win.
While OCarroll and McCaffreys loss will be felt, they have OGara and Mannion back. Brian Fenton wasnt well known this time last year but look at him now and he hasnt even started to reach his prime.
Retaining it is harder that winning it the previous year but whats there to stop them realistically. I cant see anyone .....unless Dublin do a Devon Loch but the memory of 2014 is too recent and painful for Dublin to be caught like that again.
Kerry are still in decline since 2009 and untill they bring in a rake of young players they wont really trouble Dublin. Mayo have a problem at full back and with the keeper and too much mental baggage. Tyrone may be the next team to win it after Dublin but not in 2016. Donegal are gone. Cork are Cork.
So cheer up rashers, the double is on. The only ones that can beat Dublin are themselves.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 2, 2016 22:50:47 GMT
'But the problem with hunger is that it’s always an underlying thing. It wouldn’t just have been me that was calculating. Everybody else would have had their own little arrangement to make with themselves. Add it all up, a small thing here and a small thing there, and all of a sudden you’re standing in the middle of Croke Park wondering why the other crowd are first to every ball' Great nugget that you can apply to life in general and wherever your Croke Park is... I prefer the Páidí version...
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 6, 2016 16:56:27 GMT
Rashers told us last year that all the Kerry scribes were in cahoots tipping Dublin to win. While OCarroll and McCaffreys loss will be felt, they have OGara and Mannion back. Brian Fenton wasnt well known this time last year but look at him now and he hasnt even started to reach his prime. Retaining it is harder that winning it the previous year but whats there to stop them realistically. I cant see anyone .....unless Dublin do a Devon Loch but the memory of 2014 is too recent and painful for Dublin to be caught like that again. Kerry are still in decline since 2009 and untill they bring in a rake of young players they wont really trouble Dublin. Mayo have a problem at full back and with the keeper and too much mental baggage. Tyrone may be the next team to win it after Dublin but not in 2016. Donegal are gone. Cork are Cork. So cheer up rashers, the double is on. The only ones that can beat Dublin are themselves. Thank feck for that Mick, I was beginning to get really worried. Until you pointed out to me that O'Gara & Mannion are a top class full-back of great experience, in the full of fitness & match sharpness, & a hugely talented player of the year at half-back who also happens to be the fastest player in the squad. As we all know the squad are not shy of a few forwards. The backs was the less well-supplied area of the team, and that was before the two boys took off. Some very good replacements but not in the same league. And now also, lack of competition for places, so the likes of Philly McMahon starts to get complacent. Meanwhile Kerry are suddenly not able to trouble Dublin? Scores level after 63 minutes of the league final, one mistake, one shot, bang bang (as d'Unbelievables said). By the way, Kerry have brought in, since 2009, the likes of JOD, Johnny Buckley, Crowley, the Geaneys, Murphy, and they now also have Gooch back near his best, and Tommy Walsh, who we all know will rejoin the squad sooner than later, who will find his mojo, and who could be the most unstoppable player in the country, all the better for the break. And then there's the promising u-21s, but sure Kerry have no history of bringing in young lads who prove to be instant stars. Sure 2013, Kerry in major transition, 70 minutes on the clock, scores level, and Dec OS could have put them ahead. 2014 Kerry in even more transition after another few retirements, Gooch's injury etc? All-I Champions. The only counties apart from Kerry (twice) to reach back to back (or more) finals in the last 16 years? Mayo & Armagh. Kerry are the only county to have won back to back since 1990.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 6, 2016 21:44:25 GMT
No good rashers in being level after 63 mins when the cavalry come over the Hill in the shape of Cormac Costello, McManamon, OGara, MDMA, Mannion etc to apply the coup de grace. No one can match the Dublin squad and tis well you know it. Now will ye ever go ahead and win the fecking thing and stop making all these excuses. You are fooling no one.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 6, 2016 22:46:00 GMT
No good rashers in being level after 63 mins when the cavalry come over the Hill in the shape of Cormac Costello, McManamon, OGara, MDMA, Mannion etc to apply the coup de grace. No one can match the Dublin squad and tis well you know it. Now will ye ever go ahead and win the fecking thing and stop making all these excuses. You are fooling no one. Sorry to interrupt the tete-a tete here but Rashers if you're looking for a second opinion in the advice stakes- dont go ahead and win it. Cheers
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Post by fitz on Jun 6, 2016 23:29:14 GMT
Can't believe what I'm reading. Dublin are AI champs, rightly so. They're League champs, rightly so. They have been before and lost. I'm sick of the invincibility theme. Rashers genuinely doesn't believe that either. They are justifiable favorites and there on merit. There are 3 teams with realistic chances of beating them on any given day imo. Mayo, Tyrone and ourselves.
The league final was a blessing. It proved it was not just a bad day back in September. It proved with our mostly same personnel and system we will always fail playing this Dublin team. Is the way Dublin lost in 2014 the ink way they can lose? Not for me. It forces Eamonn's hand to look to younger faster players. It might take only 2 or 3.
I've no problem facing reality in that the task for Kerry to beat Dublin is huge, but there's no way it's going yo be conceded in early June. You keep punching...
Nothing is the same.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 6, 2016 23:39:07 GMT
Donald Trump should get rashers to do a bit of spinning for him. If he did the Mexicans would nearly build the wall themselves for Trump.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 8, 2016 21:10:03 GMT
www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-las-vegas-has-nothing-on-comortas-peile-na-gaeltachta-1.2675907Theres a picture of Darragh playing in this tournament in 2003. A couple of months before the Tyrone "trimming" as he'd say himself. "All the things you’re supposed to do right as part of a county set-up, you do wrong at the Comortas. You play three games in three days. You have a scatter of pints in between them. You eat whatever’s put in front of you and whatever time of day it’s going. You sleep where you find a spot. You spend most of the following week recovering. And all this in the first week of June!"
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 8, 2016 21:30:42 GMT
There is a great bit in Jack's book too about this tournament.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 8, 2016 21:49:15 GMT
There is a great bit in Jack's book too about this tournament. Yeah I remember that. Epic Bants (in the parlance of our times).
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