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Post by ddtinexile on Jul 9, 2015 10:03:07 GMT
Darragh' message is for the Kerry midfielders. He's telling them that o Connor pulled their tails throughout the game and not one of them " hissed back".
Big improvement needed Saturday week.
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Post by ddtinexile on Jul 9, 2015 10:03:56 GMT
Darragh' message is for the Kerry midfielders. He's telling them that o Connor pulled their tails throughout the game and not one of them " hissed back".
Big improvement needed Saturday week.
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Post by keane on Jul 9, 2015 10:35:11 GMT
This Alan O'Connor stuff is extremely harsh on David Moran, who having watch the game back a couple of times now was the dominant force at midfield by a distance before the black card.
Maher certainly had his tail tweaked, Moran not so much.
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Post by kot on Jul 9, 2015 11:11:52 GMT
This Alan O'Connor stuff is extremely harsh on David Moran, who having watch the game back a couple of times now was the dominant force at midfield by a distance before the black card. Maher certainly had his tail tweaked, Moran not so much. First half yes, the tide had already began to run by the time he got the road I feel. Agreed that he was not bullied nearly as much as Sheehan & Maher and didnt look nearly as laboured.
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Post by keane on Jul 9, 2015 13:16:48 GMT
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 5, 2015 15:24:08 GMT
'... Just when all the focus was coming down on Kerry, Cork pipe up and start cribbing about having to play in the rain. Talk about a godsend!' On the whole, this has got to be one of funniest articles Darragh has written!
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Post by G_S_J on Aug 5, 2015 15:56:17 GMT
A total yarn from Darragh today, talk about rubbing it in to Cork.
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 5, 2015 18:43:19 GMT
I thought that the stuff about the Meath game in 2001 was very interesting.
I think a strong argument can be made for it being a key game in Kerry football development in terms of the team for the rest of the noughties.
I know Paul Galvin had some interesting stuff to say in his book. He was in the stands that day.
The Kerry minor team had lost by a few points to the Dubs as well and that team had Colm Cooper, Declan Sullivan, Bryan Sheehan, Donnacha Walsh and Kieran Donaghy so I presume they were watching from the stand.
I remember sitting in the stands and listening to the Oles by the Meath crowd and thinking at the time that they might regret it down the road.
As Dara said it would be interesting to talk to some of the lads who were in the stadium that day and ask for their thoughts on the matter.
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Post by boots on Aug 5, 2015 19:53:53 GMT
This is my favourite dara article, brilliantly funny, with a few nuggets thrown in there as well.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 5, 2015 20:40:42 GMT
I thought that the stuff about the Meath game in 2001 was very interesting. I think a strong argument can be made for it being a key game in Kerry football development in terms of the team for the rest of the noughties. I know Paul Galvin had some interesting stuff to say in his book. He was in the stands that day. The Kerry minor team had lost by a few points to the Dubs as well and that team had Colm Cooper, Declan Sullivan, Bryan Sheehan, Donnacha Walsh and Kieran Donaghy so I presume they were watching from the stand. I remember sitting in the stands and listening to the Oles by the Meath crowd and thinking at the time that they might regret it down the road. As Dara said it would be interesting to talk to some of the lads who were in the stadium that day and ask for their thoughts on the matter. Was in lower cusack that day and remember it "better" than many outings..did I read something recently that Boylan went nuts and would come back to haunt them....
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Post by ddtinexile on Aug 5, 2015 20:59:27 GMT
Darragh's article is absolutely brilliant, fierce funny. It's so good at taking the p out of Cork that the (cork) Examiner are reproducing parts of it in tomorrow's " paper ". I found it very strange that in today's Examiner there wasn't one mention,not one line , no comment whatsoever on the STATEMENT. Considering the tripe some of the examiners journalists, MR McCarthy et al have dished up about Kerry recently wouldn't you think that at this stage they'd have made some comment. Maybe like a lot of Cork people they are keeping the head down with embarrassment .
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2015 21:07:52 GMT
Aaron Devlin, the Derry player (who sadly died from meningitis last week) got 48 weeks ban for a tweet about the ref after the county final last year. It was subsequently reduced. The GAA may have no choice but to sanction Cork County Board. Then again Cody got away with saying that the awarding of the last free to Tipp in the drawn game in 2014 was "criminal".
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 5, 2015 22:33:40 GMT
Darragh's article is absolutely brilliant, fierce funny. It's so good at taking the p out of Cork that the (cork) Examiner are reproducing parts of it in tomorrow's " paper ". I found it very strange that in today's Examiner there wasn't one mention,not one line , no comment whatsoever on the STATEMENT.Considering the tripe some of the examiners journalists, MR McCarthy et al have dished up about Kerry recently wouldn't you think that at this stage they'd have made some comment. Maybe like a lot of Cork people they are keeping the head down with embarrassment . Have to pull you on this - de paper published this clarification today. What's interesting is that they don't actually name who did write the statement. Overall though it's very much a case of keep digging down - by asking the Examiner to clarify, they have only given the whole thing more impetus. The county board meeting on August 18th might be a bit spicy. There was also a story in the Examiner Saturday about own county board official offering to resign - whatever about on the pitch the Cork County Board are providing plenty of off-the-pitch entertainment. Also Chill Insurance's deal with Cork GAA is up this year - I'd say that might be a fun meeting trying to persuade Chill to stay on board given the senior team didn't even get to Croke Park in either code this year . With the cost of the stadium the last thing Cork GAA want is to have to go looking for a new sponsor.
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Post by ddtinexile on Aug 6, 2015 2:39:16 GMT
Yes givehimaball that's a clarification. Point taken. But has anyone seen an article in the Examiner by Conor McCarty, remember him, John Fogarty or tony Leen even. One would think that they'd have given their views on the CCB statement by now. Excluding Tony the others are usually fairly quick to have a go at Kerry. Considering all the head lines this has created in the national papers the Examiner journalists appear to me to be keeping their heads down.
I was delighted with Michael Quirke's article last week and Darragh's piece is just brilliant. It brightened up a dull wet day.
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 6, 2015 7:59:59 GMT
Darragh O Shea may have been a much better footballer than Conor Mccarthy but if someone took off their Kerry tinted glasses Conor Mccarthy is miles a better writer.
Just becuase someone critises Kerry doesnt make their article poor, he made some good points but it also showed how rattled Cork were. Darragh threw in some funny one liners in this article but besides some very good articles last year, his articles this year have been bordering on poor. His brother Tomas even though they are written with the same sort of humour are a lot more insightful and modern and a much better read
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Post by fitz on Aug 6, 2015 9:36:05 GMT
I haven't read enough of McCarthy's work to assess but his article on Munster final replay re:Kerry influencing refs was extremely poor and biased.
As for Darragh personally I'd prefer if he adopted a colder harder edge to his analysis with less anecdotes and humour poking quips. I think it detracts from his reputation as an insightful analysis even when his assertions are correct
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Post by keane on Aug 6, 2015 10:00:37 GMT
Darragh O Shea may have been a much better footballer than Conor Mccarthy but if someone took off their Kerry tinted glasses Conor Mccarthy is miles a better writer. Just becuase someone critises Kerry doesnt make their article poor, he made some good points but it also showed how rattled Cork were. Darragh threw in some funny one liners in this article but besides some very good articles last year, his articles this year have been bordering on poor. His brother Tomas even though they are written with the same sort of humour are a lot more insightful and modern and a much better read I'm not sure why you have the impression that people are committed uncritical fans of Darragh's articles? There have been more than a few posts here commenting on the tedium of reading about Paidi's favourite type of biscuits etc every week. Conor McCarthy's article was terrible on its own merits.
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 6, 2015 11:57:48 GMT
Yes givehimaball that's a clarification. Point taken. But has anyone seen an article in the Examiner by Conor McCarty, remember him, John Fogarty or tony Leen even. One would think that they'd have given their views on the CCB statement by now. Excluding Tony the others are usually fairly quick to have a go at Kerry. Considering all the head lines this has created in the national papers the Examiner journalists appear to me to be keeping their heads down. I was delighted with Michael Quirke's article last week and Darragh's piece is just brilliant. It brightened up a dull wet day. Ah jeez you weren't really expecting a local paper like the Examiner to write anything that might possibly upset Frank and friends. A big part of why Frank has lasted so long it that the Cork media have been going along with the whole pony show for so long now they've almost become institutionalised. I think a big part of why the Cork County board have made so many negative references to online and social media criticism is that they aren't able to bully/threaten people the way they do with the more traditional media.
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Post by glengael on Aug 6, 2015 12:32:22 GMT
I'll bet someone somewhere is composing an article about the Cork statement that begins like this.....
"Cork. Rebel county. Largest county. This year celebrating the silver jubilee of the Double. A feat most unlikely to be repeated again despite any amount of hot air about being a dual county from the Capital or from out West. Cork. Unique proud committed Gaels. Home of Collins, Keane and the merchant princes.
This week they've been the butt of everyone's jokes though, even their nearest neighbours deriding them in petty sarcastic articles in so called "quality" papers. Anonymous, on-line warriors mocking the genuine concern of the Cork County Board for the great injustice visited upon them last month.
Why? Because they spoke the truth. Yes, you read it correctly the unvarnished truth.
The Cork County team, its supporters and fans everywhere have reason to be grateful to Brian Cuthbert. He has not harmed the cause of Cork football. If anything, he has progressed them in his 2 years at the helm.
In 2014, they exited the Championship after a brave battle against an elite team. In turn Mayo were removed at the 2nd attempt by a Kerry team determined to push every known rule of the game to its limit, allowed, nay encouraged, to do so by the indifference of officialdom (when it suited them). These are the facts, however others might like to gloss over them.
In 2015, Cork battled and comprehensively beat that same Kerry team in the Spring. But come summer, they were again stopped in their tracks by as grave an injustice in a refereeing decision as I've seen in my lifetime following the game.
Any true Gael would sympathise with Cork, even if it is not fashionable to admit it and admire their bravery in committing their feelings into the public arena. etc etc etc...........
Closing paragraph- Add in references to and quote from American Sports Guru or Obscure American Sports Coach.
Finally, Either Jim, Mickey Harte, Kieran McGeeney, James Horan, Malachy O'Rourke must then be mentioned as the Saviour of the Entire Future of Gaelic Football for Generations of Gaels who were deprived of seeing Cork in this years All Ireland Semi-Final and will never recover from that loss/trauma etc.
Top off with least flattering stock picture of Kerry Footballer and most evocative one of tearful Cork supporter."
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 6, 2015 13:15:57 GMT
I thought that the stuff about the Meath game in 2001 was very interesting. I think a strong argument can be made for it being a key game in Kerry football development in terms of the team for the rest of the noughties. I know Paul Galvin had some interesting stuff to say in his book. He was in the stands that day. The Kerry minor team had lost by a few points to the Dubs as well and that team had Colm Cooper, Declan Sullivan, Bryan Sheehan, Donnacha Walsh and Kieran Donaghy so I presume they were watching from the stand. I remember sitting in the stands and listening to the Oles by the Meath crowd and thinking at the time that they might regret it down the road. As Dara said it would be interesting to talk to some of the lads who were in the stadium that day and ask for their thoughts on the matter. Was in lower cusack that day and remember it "better" than many outings..did I read something recently that Boylan went nuts and would come back to haunt them.... My main memory is an outstanding performance by Seamus Moynihan, winning his own personal tussle with Geraghty and never giving up til the final whistle. Feel sorry for John McGlynn, his only appearance for Kerry in Croke Park as well as Maurice Fitz's last game for Kerry, although, he never officially retired so you never know! Meath players were in the players lounge after as well as a few Kerry players. Meath lads were oleing, watching themselves on TV.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 6, 2015 16:56:44 GMT
Why has nobody yet pasted the article on here, from a past experience I understand the Irish Times encourage sharing stuff like this with the GAA community. I cannot do it as my IT a/c is in limbo at the moment but people are generally entitled to 10 articles pw.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2015 18:08:39 GMT
Ah lads. Seven goals!? Are ye joking? We know ye’re going well but there’s going well and there’s going well. Three would have been plenty. Four would have made the point with a bit to spare. But seven? Seven!
How in the name of God do ye expect Kerry people to cute-hoor our way out of this one?
This is a serious challenge. In the long history of cute-hoorism, we’ve never faced a battle like this one. We’re right up against it. In fairness to us, we’re flat-out looking for angles.
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I wouldn’t mind if it had been a qualifier some Saturday evening night where there might only be radio coverage. At least you’d be able to dodge your way out of that by saying there was a big wind or the ref was very soft on us or the poor divils had a rake of injuries and struggled to field a team. But this was in Croke Park on live TV against the crowd that beat Cork the week before. There’s just no poor-mouthing this one.
At least we got a dig-out from our good friends and neighbours in Cork on Monday night. I don’t know who put out that statement from the Cork County Board but whoever they were must have a bit of Kerry blood in them somewhere. Just when all the focus was coming down on Kerry, Cork pipe up and start cribbing about having to play in the rain.
Talk about a godsend! It had to be a double agent at work. We thought we were goosed, we thought we’d have to spend the whole week ducking for cover. But out of nowhere, Cork decide that now is the time to go and take a stand.
And can I be the first to say, they were just right too. The rain. The referee. The quick turnaround. World hunger. Child poverty. It all conspired to nail poor Cork to the cross.
But look, we’ll just have to face up to it eventually. Kerry were fairly exceptional on Sunday. Even allowing for how poor Kildare were, Kerry just hit the high notes right across the pitch. Fitzy will try to take the heat out of it as much as he can but it’s there for us all to see. Kerry are top quality, Dublin are top quality. Everything is shadow-boxing.
Jim Gavin pulled the reins a bit on Sunday when he took off his best players as soon as the match was won. Diarmuid Connolly came off, Ciarán Kilkenny came off, Jonny Cooper and James McCarthy came off. They were all gone with just over 20 minutes left in the game. The players who came on didn’t exactly set the world on fire either.
But there’s no point trying to make out that Dublin aren’t in the top two, no more than there’s any point trying to claim Kerry aren’t there with them. If anyone had a bit of doubt, it was killed off over the weekend – not just on Sunday but on Saturday too.
Good forward
The difference in ability between some of the Dublin and Kerry players and rest was massive. I was watching the Sligo-Tyrone game on Saturday and there was a point where David Kelly got into a shooting position for Sligo, kicking into the Davin Stand. Kelly is as good a forward as Sligo have, maybe as good as a lot of counties have. But he made no shape at this shot at all.
Now, that can happen to anybody. But it shouldn’t happen to the best player in a team. He’s supposed to be the one the rest of them can rely on in a tight spot. I thought of Kelly the following day when Paul Geaney – who wasn’t having a good day for Kerry – managed to squeeze out a point with his left leg while his marker was hanging out of him.
Geaney played poorly on Sunday and was eventually taken off but he still managed to score two points at a time when the game was still up in the air. To have those shots in your bag and be able to pull them out when things are going badly is what separates Kerry and Dublin from the rest.
So the first place you start when you’re looking for reasons why Dublin and Kerry are a cut above is that they have more players like that than other teams do.
Then you add in the fact that they both play to a specific game plan that is adapted to the modern game. Their attacking ability speaks for itself but what was also really impressive to me on Sunday about Kerry was how well they defended when the game was still a game.
Major gripe
In that first half, their discipline in defending the 45 was exceptional. They got the bodies back but more importantly, everybody knew their job. My major gripe with blanket defences is that most teams seem to just use it as a safety-in-numbers job. The attitude seems to be that if we flood the defence, sure somebody is bound to break up play.
But if you watched Kerry on Sunday, you saw them constantly talking to each other, covering zones, moving across the pitch together and back across together if they had to. Nobody was standing there like a lemon scratching his head, half-hoping the ball would fall his way. They were linked – if I push over, you push over; if I pull back, you pull back with me. And it didn’t change after the fifth or sixth goal went in.
The important thing they did was get themselves into clusters, which has two upsides. First, they broke down the Kildare attacks through sheer weight of numbers; second, they were able to break out with multiple players in the counter-attack. So you had players like Shane Enright, Aidan O’Mahony, Paul Murphy and Marc Ó Sé all shooting up the pitch and getting involved in attacks.
Change the jerseys and swap the names and you have Cooper, McCarthy, Cian O’Sullivan and Philly McMahon all doing the same for Dublin. That’s the template – no passengers, everybody knows their job, all are trying to work the ball to the guys who are best at scoring. And everything is done at pace.
Black card
I’ve always said that to win back-to-back All-Irelands you have to improve by 25 per cent on the year before. This thing is so delicate and the line between success and failure is so thin. Michael Murphy could and maybe should have got a black card on Saturday – would Donegal have come through if that had happened? James O’Donoghue’s injury didn’t matter on Sunday – wouldn’t it matter another day?
The good thing from Kerry’s point of view is that they have players coming into form earlier now than they did last year. Stephen O’Brien wasn’t showing this level of form at this stage last year. Anthony Maher and David Moran weren’t either. Darran O’Sullivan, Tommy Walsh, Paul Galvin the same. And obviously, Colm Cooper as well.
This game would have done the Gooch the world of good. He got on the ball as much as he could and when he was given the space to play his game, he played it like only he can. My only worry for him would be that against better teams, he will have to do some of his work away from the opposition goal.
He will have track back and tackle and block up space. That just isn’t his game. He’s the most natural footballer in the championship but he doesn’t look too natural when he’s on his own 45 with a runner going at him. It’s great to have him back but if he wasn’t going to shine in a game where Kerry had the time and space to run in seven goals, when was he?
If these Kildare players have anything about them, this will haunt them for years. We’ve all played in games where we’ve got a hosing. We’ve all had a day when nothing went right. But we haven’t all given away seven goals in one half of football.
The worst of it is that if you go back and analyse each goal individually, you’ll find Kerry didn’t have to do anything exceptional for any of them. One was dropped by the Kildare goalkeeper, the next two came from Darran O’Sullivan running down the throat of the defence, for the next, Donnchadh Walsh had time to play a pass off his knees. Gooch scored the fifth one by catching a long ball behind the full-back, Stephen O’Brien was waved in for the sixth and Darran was able to flick in a scrappy one at the end and wheel away laughing.
Holy show
Of all the games I played in Croke Park, the one that has never left me is the hammering we got from Meath in 2001.
Sometimes when I see the tribunals or the banking inquiry on the news, I get a mad notion that if I could somehow get all the players from both sides and the managers and everyone together, I’d grill them all until I worked out in my head what happened that day.
Did Meath do something different? Did we give up the ghost? If we did, why did we?
What was it about that game on that day that we made such a holy show of ourselves? I’ve thought about it on and off over the years and I eventually gave up torturing myself. When I thought about it, all I heard was the Meath supporters cheering the passes and that’s no good for anybody’s head.
The Kildare players gave up on Sunday. They didn’t all give up at the same time but enough of them did so at times that mattered for Kerry to be able to run in all those goals. When there are seven goals scored in one half, it says more about the team that conceded them than about the one that scored them.
Those goals weren’t all down to the Kildare defence, no more than the good Kerry defence I was talking about earlier is all down to the fellas with low numbers on their backs. One of the goals started with a Kildare shot that dropped short. Whose fault is that?
In the end, Kerry would have beaten them one way or the other, just the same as Dublin beat them in Leinster. We saw two excellent football teams on Sunday and all the cute-hoorism in the world won’t be good enough to distract anyone from it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 6, 2015 19:13:06 GMT
Ta Mickmack.
Darragh says we are at the top of our game early but is it not the case we were late last year, well late showing it anyway? Maher had time to ponder when with inch precision he found Gooch for that goal and yip, we'll have to sharpen up for other challenges.
37 points to 10 suggests we are roughly 4 times better but that doesn't hold true as a team that is 10% better in every respect could achieve the same results, e.g. 1 stride ahead gets the ball, etc. Then there is the psychological aspect and such humiliation on your own doorstep is soul destroying; everyone has know what it is like to want a hole to open in the ground and swallow you up and it was Kildare's turn on Sunday.
Now I don't know if I am a cute hoor or not, and yes there are lies, damm lies and statistics and I suppose by definition there are liars, damm liars and statisticians, but my point is that score lines often magnify the margin.
The positive point here is that while we appear to have such a gulf in class, it is not as wide as what the majority think. It is 15 against 15 and it is arguable that the so called gulf is of the order of say 20% if we have to put a figure on it. That the Fermanaghs and Monaghans can succeed might support this and sure look at what the wee county that is Kilkenny can achieve, albeit tradition is strong.
I believe we have a great chance this year but we have no cause to be making any plans. With few enough surprises so far maybe the statistics will catch us all out, the damm liars that they are!
Slán go foill a chaire go léir ó an great contae that is Chiarraí
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Post by Exiled2Dublin on Aug 6, 2015 19:34:14 GMT
Why has nobody yet pasted the article on here, from a past experience I understand the Irish Times encourage sharing stuff like this with the GAA community. I cannot do it as my IT a/c is in limbo at the moment but people are generally entitled to 10 articles pw. If you've used up your 10 articles per week, you can still read anything you want on the IT website. Go down through the headlines, pick the article you want and enter a few words from the headline into Google. Google will find the article for you, click on it and, open sesame, you're in.
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Post by veteran on Aug 6, 2015 19:36:25 GMT
I find it a little distasteful that some ex Kerry players seem to be deriving a certain glee from Cork's present turbulence. What goes round comes round as they say. Would we not be better off minding our own house and let Cork sort out their problems, as they inevitably will. We still have not won this year's All-Ireland. I wonder who would be the laughing stock if, for instance, Tyrone beat us in Croke Park again? Inevitably, Pat Spillane had to get involved with typical barbs. No better person than Pat to kick a man or team when they are down. A dollop of grace never goes amiss. As the late, lamented John B. might say "walk aisy now that you jug is full"
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 6, 2015 21:04:15 GMT
Ah I don't think anyone is being unkind to Cork and Donal Óg's comments on TSG could easily be seen as an appeal to the GAA community. Things didn't go well for Cork recently and that's sport but much of Cork's problems are down to one man who won't get out of the way and that is a tarnish on our game. He'd be tolerated nowhere and how he gets away with it is a mystery.
I did find the comments re JBM distasteful though and even if hurling isn't my thing I'm inclined to believe the reputable and sensible commentators who say he actually over achieved. Asking him was he resigning just after losing a match was a bit much and an ice maiden of TV3 implored the same of a rugby manager but when the wheel turned full circle she pleaded the fifth herself, and it wasn't such a respectable circle either, and still isn't.
As a GAA supporter I also support those in Cork and elsewhere who want to rid the nation of unadulterated Gombeenism! Come on yew rebels, show yer true colours, we respect your sportsmanship as you do us, through thick and thin. We would appreciate your help in ridding us of Gombeens if it was the other way around, and I'd say you wouldn't let us down either.
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