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Post by keane on Jun 30, 2015 12:00:29 GMT
I thought Dara's comments were pretty dumb and not particularly insightful. Did he really think he was saying anything interesting there?
If the best he's going to come up with for the summer is stuff like "Connolly has a suspect temperament, try pinching him off the ball" then it seems as if that particular column might slip to the bottom of the queue.
He looked pretty out of his depth in terms of analysis on Sky Sports at the weekend with Canavan and McGuinness beside him, needs to up his game IMO.
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Post by dabomber on Jun 30, 2015 12:04:25 GMT
I thought Dara's comments were pretty dumb and not particularly insightful. Did he really think he was saying anything interesting there? If the best he's going to come up with for the summer is stuff like "Connolly has a suspect temperament, try pinching him off the ball" then it seems as if that particular column might slip to the bottom of the queue. He looked pretty out of his depth in terms of analysis on Sky Sports at the weekend with Canavan and McGuinness beside him, needs to up his game IMO. Personally i don't think he can up his game, i feel he is one of this great players who never had to think about the game, simply just played it. His lack of analysis and tactics also showed up in his 3 years in Under 21 Management i feel. A great player but not a great thinker of the game!
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Post by keane on Jun 30, 2015 16:26:43 GMT
By way of comparison, take a look at fellow IT columnist Jim McGuinness' take on the question of Dublin today. That's analysis.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Jun 30, 2015 17:30:10 GMT
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Post by dano on Jun 30, 2015 18:02:54 GMT
There was a day years ago, and Darragh remembers it, when Maurice got 'special' treatment from a number of Dublin players. I'm sure Roy Curtis remembers it too.Not to mention the now infamous picture of Carr roaring at Maurice as he sized up the posts in Thurles that day.That was probably all ok, they were only doing it to a cave man after all! The 'cave man' references there are perhaps a little D4ish. Kinda like how a fella from Donnybrook would refer to football as bogball.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 30, 2015 19:13:18 GMT
Connolly should send Darragh a Christmas Card for ensuring that he will get lots of protection and phantom frees this summer.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Jun 30, 2015 21:13:22 GMT
There was a day years ago, and Darragh remembers it, when Maurice got 'special' treatment from a number of Dublin players. I'm sure Roy Curtis remembers it too.Not to mention the now infamous picture of Carr roaring at Maurice as he sized up the posts in Thurles that day.That was probably all ok, they were only doing it to a cave man after all! The 'cave man' references there are perhaps a little D4ish. Kinda like how a fella from Donnybrook would refer to football as bogball. I'm not really sure about Roy curtis's origins or that has anything do with his point. although Dara was only being up front about cynicism in the modern game, it's not wise for of a former player and we'll known pundit to be airing such views in public. It's at odds with the spirit of the gaa.I imagine gaa management are none too pleased as this is not the message they want to send out and it's certainly not what the public want to watch. Indeed a number of others in the media have been critical of Daragh's comments and they're not all d4 types
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Post by dano on Jun 30, 2015 22:22:23 GMT
Understood Jackeensabhog I wasn't defending sledging in any way and have no time for off the ball antics. This guy Curtis was way over the top there though.
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Post by fitz on Jun 30, 2015 23:20:28 GMT
I think this has now reached farcical levels of dissection. Maybe instead of salivating at the cynical message implied in Darragh's comments, consider that the the horse is long bolted on this. The football pitches are brimming with these tail pulling antics. I'm not condoning his comments but I think this has just snowballed into a hyperbole earthquake.
The comments from Curtis' about the if it were the Gooch. Well Roy, Colm has been getting on the field for every one of his 13 years playing with Kerry and it won't be an article written by any former Dublin player that changes Gooch's playing challenges.
Again am a big admirer of Connolly, but the depiction of the reformed sinner by Curtis is painful. Darragh has a point, like it or not. It's easy to have good behavior when whopping teams. The temper is in Connolly and will always be there, so teams are always going to test it.
If the furore is about the principle of not being seen to advocate intimidation by abusing media privilege then absolutely, he was wrong to do it.. To think anything he has written on the other hand will impact Connolly's treatment on a football pitch is delusional. Intercounty teams and management don't rely on Darragh for insight. I think we have bigger fish to fry regarding problems in the game.
Connolly is not squeaky clean now, nor is any player. He was acting the maggot with Lee Keegan in the 2013 final holding his jersey and refusing to release it, despite Keegan's misguided efforts to extricate himself. He was shaking Keegan's tail obviously.
This whole issue is tired.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 1, 2015 8:46:55 GMT
Agreed Fitzwop, it's silly season stuff for the papers. Roy Curtis (haven't read much by him before) went off on one there, jaysus. Hysterical stuff! Sure they could all start an "Indo Vs Times" row. Let's move along here, some people are letting the heavy weather get to them
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Post by jackeensabhog on Jul 1, 2015 9:00:26 GMT
I think this has now reached farcical levels of dissection. Maybe instead of salivating at the cynical message implied in Darragh's comments, consider that the the horse is long bolted on this. The football pitches are brimming with these tail pulling antics. I'm not condoning his comments but I think this has just snowballed into a hyperbole earthquake. The comments from Curtis' about the if it were the Gooch. Well Roy, Colm has been getting on the field for every one of his 13 years playing with Kerry and it won't be an article written by any former Dublin player that changes Gooch's playing challenges. Again am a big admirer of Connolly, but the depiction of the reformed sinner by Curtis is painful. Darragh has a point, like it or not. It's easy to have good behavior when whopping teams. The temper is in Connolly and will always be there, so teams are always going to test it. If the furore is about the principle of not being seen to advocate intimidation by abusing media privilege then absolutely, he was wrong to do it.. To think anything he has written on the other hand will impact Connolly's treatment on a football pitch is delusional. Intercounty teams and management don't rely on Darragh for insight. I think we have bigger fish to fry regarding problems in the game. Connolly is not squeaky clean now, nor is any player. He was acting the maggot with Lee Keegan in the 2013 final holding his jersey and refusing to release it, despite Keegan's misguided efforts to extricate himself. He was shaking Keegan's tail obviously. This whole issue is tired. Agreed and you make many salient points. Sledging, diving, faning injury are all rife in the game now. The authorities need to take a lead here. In circumstances were one player is clearly trying to get another sent off, I think the offending player should be banned for a few games for bringing the game into disrepute. Even if it has to be revisited on video. This is the type off *e you see in soccer. Or what about this practice of giving both players a yellow when one clearly started the trouble?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 1, 2015 9:24:30 GMT
I think this has now reached farcical levels of dissection. Maybe instead of salivating at the cynical message implied in Darragh's comments, consider that the the horse is long bolted on this. The football pitches are brimming with these tail pulling antics. I'm not condoning his comments but I think this has just snowballed into a hyperbole earthquake. The comments from Curtis' about the if it were the Gooch. Well Roy, Colm has been getting on the field for every one of his 13 years playing with Kerry and it won't be an article written by any former Dublin player that changes Gooch's playing challenges. Again am a big admirer of Connolly, but the depiction of the reformed sinner by Curtis is painful. Darragh has a point, like it or not. It's easy to have good behavior when whopping teams. The temper is in Connolly and will always be there, so teams are always going to test it. If the furore is about the principle of not being seen to advocate intimidation by abusing media privilege then absolutely, he was wrong to do it.. To think anything he has written on the other hand will impact Connolly's treatment on a football pitch is delusional. Intercounty teams and management don't rely on Darragh for insight. I think we have bigger fish to fry regarding problems in the game. Connolly is not squeaky clean now, nor is any player. He was acting the maggot with Lee Keegan in the 2013 final holding his jersey and refusing to release it, despite Keegan's misguided efforts to extricate himself. He was shaking Keegan's tail obviously. This whole issue is tired. Agreed and you make many salient points. Sledging, diving, faning injury are all rife in the game now. The authorities need to take a lead here. In circumstances were one player is clearly trying to get another sent off, I think the offending player should be banned for a few games for bringing the game into disrepute. Even if it has to be revisited on video. This is the type off *e you see in soccer. Or what about this practice of giving both players a yellow when one clearly started the trouble? This "I don't really know so I will give two yellows" really grinds my gears. I am surprised there are not more examples of receiving two yellows or one of them from such an infraction. Sometimes it isn't even a case of one guy starting it is just one guy wrapping up another and wrestling him and the other guy protecting themselves. I would much prefer that the ref gives a talking to both players when he is unsure what happened.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 1, 2015 9:41:53 GMT
Nobody has said anything about some of the outrageous yellow cards given out in the Kildare-Dublin game on sunday, given out to players who were being frequently blackguarded, and not protected. I take it that's not an issue
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 1, 2015 10:50:25 GMT
Nobody has said anything about some of the outrageous yellow cards given out in the Kildare-Dublin game on sunday, given out to players who were being frequently blackguarded, and not protected. I take it that's not an issue You have a point, some of the yellow cards that the Dubs got last Sunday were a joke when they clearly were not at fault. One incident took place under the Hogan Stand, not sure if it was Kilkenny or Flynn that was involved.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 1, 2015 10:56:15 GMT
It didn't matter in the end in the context of the game of course but down the road..................
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Post by glengael on Jul 1, 2015 11:42:44 GMT
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Post by bomberliston on Jul 1, 2015 13:39:08 GMT
By way of comparison, take a look at fellow IT columnist Jim McGuinness' take on the question of Dublin today. That's analysis. This is what JMcG does for a living. Unfair to compare.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Jul 1, 2015 13:44:31 GMT
Good article. He might also add a bit of luck and a few ref decision going a teams way
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 1, 2015 14:02:14 GMT
I think that's a really good piece, very interesting, and instead of going on about how great Westmeath were he took something really insightful out of it. The only two things I would argue with were the one about teams being recently more about encouraging leaders to lead the rest. To my mind winning teams always had leaders who inspired the rest, and it made the difference. That said, I presume he means coaches are focussing on it as a deliberate thing now. Darragh himself often did very inspiring things at vital stages, such as plucking a ball from just above the crossbar against Dublin at the end of the 2001 quarter final. Defensive things like that are very inspiring moments for a players' team and supporters, as good as a vital score. And the other thing was about different personalities in teams. There's usually all sorts, the *er, the moaner, the ranter, the quiet one, the ones who can't read the game but believe they know what's right & have to tell one who can read the game what to do, the ones who just get on with the game and keep fighting and driving it, and so on. I think that in order to have a good team spirit the leaders have to deal with the clashes and make sure they don't get out of hand, or else lads will not support each other in the game, in worse cases will be arguing alot in the game
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Post by Joxer on Jul 1, 2015 14:53:43 GMT
And Jim McGuinesses column is even more interesting.....
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Post by keane on Jul 1, 2015 15:09:56 GMT
By way of comparison, take a look at fellow IT columnist Jim McGuinness' take on the question of Dublin today. That's analysis. This is what JMcG does for a living. Unfair to compare. They're all being paid a wedge to analyse football, unless you think Dara is in the IT and on Sky for the good of his health! McGuinness works essentially as a soccer coach during the week, so I presume his analysis of GAA teams and matches must be done during his downtime, the same as most of the rest of the pundits. TBF I wouldn't hang anyone for not being as good at tactical analysis as Jim but Darragh just seems a bit 'yerra' at times.
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Post by keane on Jul 1, 2015 15:19:41 GMT
In all fairness, today's article by Darragh is top class. When he talks about the emotion and psychology in a dressing room and things like that we get a brilliant insight into stuff we couldn't learn on our own.
It's only when he goes into actual game analysis or whatever that it comes across a bit lazy - as I said about the last piece "Connolly doesn't like it up him" is in the ha'penny place.
This insight into what makes players tick in the background is pure gold.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 1, 2015 15:21:29 GMT
Curtis is one of the worst sports journalists out there at the moment. Real Red Top standard soccer rubbish is usually his forté. I often started one of his articles but rarely got to the end of it.
I did finish this latest rant and must say it is fairly OTT. He seems to take O Sé's suggestion of Pulling Connollys Tail as an implication that you should try to batter him. Also the reference to jeering someone about a death in the family was neither implied in O Sé's article nor relevant to what he was saying. And what's wrong with exploiting an opponents perceived weaknesses.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 1, 2015 15:58:56 GMT
In all fairness, today's article by Darragh is top class. When he talks about the emotion and psychology in a dressing room and things like that we get a brilliant insight into stuff we couldn't learn on our own. It's only when he goes into actual game analysis or whatever that it comes across a bit lazy - as I said about the last piece "Connolly doesn't like it up him" is in the ha'penny place. This insight into what makes players tick in the background is pure gold. Agreed, it is a brilliant read.
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Post by veteran on Jul 1, 2015 21:50:15 GMT
In all fairness, today's article by Darragh is top class. When he talks about the emotion and psychology in a dressing room and things like that we get a brilliant insight into stuff we couldn't learn on our own. It's only when he goes into actual game analysis or whatever that it comes across a bit lazy - as I said about the last piece "Connolly doesn't like it up him" is in the ha'penny place. This insight into what makes players tick in the background is pure gold. Keane, I agree with your assessment of Darragh's contributions. So many are so informative and enlightening while others were best not written at all. I was disappointed with the article on Diarmuid Connolly. His use of the word "scamp" was particularly offensive, pejorative indeed, in view of Diarmuid's recent ,unfortunate legal entanglements. I must confess that I have always been an admirer of that man, long before it became fashionable to do do. This was/is due to his sublime kicking, and not just with one foot. It is in stark contrast to so many footballers of today who kick poorly. This of course has its genesis in the hand pass malady. Incidentally, while Darragh can reach great heights in print, his efforts on the electronic media are usually poor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 2:35:14 GMT
Unfortunate legal entanglements is a very kind description of what happened.
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Post by Chinatown on Jul 4, 2015 15:59:55 GMT
Unfortunate legal entanglements is a very kind description of what happened. For sure, the life jacket has been introduced on more than one occasion!!
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Post by glengael on Jul 8, 2015 9:23:04 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 9, 2015 8:43:22 GMT
Unfortunate legal entanglements is a very kind description of what happened. What's it got to do with football discussions?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 9, 2015 8:49:07 GMT
Good piece. Don't get the assertion that Cork have "31 plus (whatever) counties against them", I'd say alot of people like seeing Cork win in the football at least, no matter who they might be playing. In the hurling when they were very successful I'd say they were as any other top county plus a bit extra dislike due to the cockiness and all the red - ok in small doses (no more than ourselves! )
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