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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:12:03 GMT
Are we heading for a fall. The build up is similar to 1982 with discussions about celebrations etc.
Complacency is the biggest danger in sport.
There are countless examples of it over the years.
The bit below is the Southern Star says it nicely.........
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:12:23 GMT
SO, IT’S Kerry in the All-Ireland final. I would have preferred Dublin for the hype and excitement but it would have been impossible to get tickets. We are getting too familiar with Kerry but somebody asked me today if this would be the first ever final that didn’t fill Croke Park as no neutral has any interest in it.
We’ll see, but tickets will definitely be easier to come by. Yes, Cork v. Kerry, the first ever final between two teams from the same province has an unique appeal about it but only to us Cork and Kerry people. How many southern football supporters would bother to attend an All-Ireland final between Armagh and Tyrone?
As regards winning the game, I honestly believe we have a better chance of beating Kerry than Dublin. This Dublin team in the final would be so hungry and geared up for a win that they would probably steamroll right over us. Not so Kerry. They fully believe that they have a God-given right to beat Cork and that they will demolish us in Croke Park as they did for the past two years. That final is already won among Kerry supporters and that is bound to rub off on the players.
Yes, Kerry are a class act when in full flight and nearly unstoppable. Their weakness is that they can only hit that form in patches, no more than fifteen minutes long, and are very vulnerable in between. What happened after that purple patch against Dublin at the start of the second half last Sunday when a great team would have killed off the game? They allowed Dublin back into it and the Dubs could have picked it in the end. What happened in Killarney after they had blitzed Cork in the opening quarter of the Munster final? They died away and had to rely on a foul tackle, not punished by the referee, to win the game in the end.
Make no mistake, Kerry beat a good and very committed team in Dublin and must be given credit for that. However, that game will mean nothing when it comes to playing Cork as the Cork v Kerry relationship is a very unique one. Cork and Kerry know each other to the last letter and whichever team can come up with some new tactic on the day will probably win. Over the past few seasons we have seen Cork’s determination against Kerry’s class and there is absolutely nothing between the teams. I fully expect Cork to win this All-Ireland final but we will leave that to another day.
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Post by dart on Sept 3, 2007 21:48:00 GMT
Yes, Cork v. Kerry, the first ever final between two teams from the same province has an unique appeal about it but only to us Cork and Kerry people. I think this rubbish, and a lot of other Cork nonsense in this article show that it is the dear Corkonians who are in trouble.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:52:57 GMT
Compare the discussion on this forum now with the discussions prior to the Monaghan and Dublin games threads..........
Its as if its all over......... job done......... just turn up......
I remember 25 years ago........... its getting scary
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:54:28 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:56:27 GMT
can you imagine buying the Sunday Tribune on the 23rd September if Cork win
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2007 21:56:57 GMT
its sitting perfectly poised for billy morgan
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:57:34 GMT
Cork have won the last four Munster titles at under 21............
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:58:22 GMT
Cork were shadow boxing in the Munster Final.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 21:59:34 GMT
When last did you see Billy Morgan so happy after losing a Munster Final to Kerry.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 22:01:02 GMT
Frank Murphy is from Cork
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 3, 2007 22:06:18 GMT
Mick you lookin to hit 2000 posts by the morning are ya?? Gooch is from kerry!!!
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 3, 2007 22:07:32 GMT
Mickmack, is the stress getting to you?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 22:08:08 GMT
We need the same mindset that we had going into the Dublin game......... a siege mentality.
I am flat out.......... any one else like to give me a hand
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2007 22:11:01 GMT
The great fear from a Kerry viewpoint at this stage is that other Kerry teams of recent vintage (2002 & 2005) played some devastating football at the semi-final stage only to watch their final opposition bring home the bacon in late September.
Those words are by Dara o Cinneide last week
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Post by tyroneperson on Sept 3, 2007 22:14:12 GMT
Yes, Cork v. Kerry, the first ever final between two teams from the same province has an unique appeal Surely the 03 final wasn't that unmemorable! ;D
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 3, 2007 22:18:13 GMT
Let the best team win Mickmac they always do!!!
And by the way the first final between two counties from the same province was tyrone v armagh in 2005
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 3, 2007 22:18:46 GMT
2003 i mean
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 3, 2007 22:19:46 GMT
Jeez Mickmack it's only the 3rd today! What will you be like on the 16th? God help the person sitting next to you!
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 3, 2007 22:21:30 GMT
I dont think there is over confidence mick,where you gettin that from??I think we are the same as we always are,and i definately dont think teh team will be over confident they will most certainly go in with the right mind set.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Sept 3, 2007 22:22:14 GMT
I havent seen or heard any over confident opinions to be honest
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 3, 2007 22:24:01 GMT
I will say one thing in your defence Mickmack, it must be frustrating for Pat & co when every paper and every expert saying (and even a few posters on here outside of us Cork people) who do not see anything besides a Kerry win. Okay, similarities could be drawn with the Kilkenny v Limerick and the Cork v Kerry match up, but you have to remember it's Cork and Kerry. I don't think the debate of about weather this Kerry team is a good as the ones have gone before, it is something more than that. It's a long way from September to June!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 3, 2007 23:56:35 GMT
Mickmack,
To be honest, if you look back at last year and 2004, much the same thoughts were ventured forth early in the build up. If we were to start analysing in detail every shred of the game now, we'd be silent by early next week.
Yes, there was a bit of euphoria after the Dublin win. There was too after the Armagh game last year, after which we were scheduled to play Cork, who had beaten us in the Munster final!! However, a number of excellent points were made regarding our weakness at midfield and towards players running directly at the Kerry full back line. We have identified Cork's strenghts too.
Over the next few days I am certain you will begin to see some of the more experienced folk around here to develop some foreboding thoughts.....and rightly so. Right now, I'm finding it very hard to call the match, and have swayed towards Cork a few times. But then I remember the patient work visable in the Monaghan match, and particularly in the Dublin match and I sway back towards a draw again.
We're at about the same level of build up as 2004, and slightly behind this time last year. I wouldn't be worried yet. I believe there is a confidence in the Kerry team that they are capable of pushing Cork all the way.
Indeed Billy was happy after the Munster final, primarily because he saw his team fight like cats and dogs for a result and because he knows they should have beaten us. He knew, that Kerry apart, Cork were capable of progressing far in the All Ireland championship. I believe he saw Kerry as a good side that were there for the taking, which meant that Cork could and would go far. I don't think he was being machiavellian enough to plan for Cork to lose.
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Post by Aine on Sept 4, 2007 0:50:20 GMT
Sure there is excitement in the build up and i think this can sometimes be mistaken for over confidence. We need to have some confidence or else its a lost cause. Am sure the team management and selectors will have the right balance before and on the day.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2007 6:58:53 GMT
Kerry have never beaten Cork in the championship TWICE in the same year.
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 4, 2007 7:00:32 GMT
Mickmack, unless I'm losing it, they did in 2005.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2007 7:01:52 GMT
Prior to the Cork-Meath match........ Colm o Rourke said that Meath were not as confident since 2001 v Galway.......
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 4, 2007 7:11:40 GMT
I havent seen or heard any over confident opinions to be honest Read the Cork Kerry topic on here I'd say.
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Post by Piggy on Sept 4, 2007 8:37:44 GMT
the kerry team know well cork will be hard to beat,they're not goin to roll over like Mayo when it come to an all ireland final against us. i cant see pat o shea letting the team go complacent
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 4, 2007 8:38:24 GMT
I certainly ain t over confident.... Lets examine the last few games between Cork and kerry
2007 LUCKY win for kerry 2006 Semi - If memory serves me correct Donncha o connor should have buried a goal with 15 minutes to go to put cork ahead. Kerry won by 5 2006 Munster final - Got out of jail the first day but got nailed the 2nd day.
I have been tipping this cork team all year. They have improved every year for the past 3 years and the difference this years is that they have far more fire powerthan in previous years whereby they were never able to put up the 16 - 18 point scores needed to win the big games.
While I am not as worried as I was before the tyrone final in 2005 when I felt we would lose, I feel that this game will be seperated by 1-3 points
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