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Post by Owenabue on Aug 23, 2007 8:59:28 GMT
Just a little point, it was the CCCC asked the ref to decide if he felt the yellow card was enough, nothing at all to do with Cork and Cork or Frank Murphy trying to get O' Leary off. They had nothing to appeal in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2007 9:02:04 GMT
Frank has such a reputation these days that he gets credited/blamed for everything.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 23, 2007 10:16:29 GMT
So what if t striking is a red card offence. Everyone says a ref should use his common sense when approaching decision. Crowe used his common sense in this Decision. The game was over. Cork had won handy. What satisfaction would he get from depriving a young fella the chance to play in an all-ireland final for His county. I know ye will all be roaring and shouting bout how rules are rules. Brian crowe felt he dealt with it there and then. Anyway this decision has nothing to do wit The CCCC as they followed everything by the book. They consulted the ref as they had to according to proceedure and he decided not to upgrade the offence for probably two reasons 1. He would have to admit that he and his linesman made a mistake 2. He didn’t want to be the cause of a player missing an all-ireland
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Post by kerryman on Aug 23, 2007 12:18:23 GMT
Bigbrother, you're a little O.T.T. there suggesting there is no law at all for Cork. Did you forget the hurlers? You also forgot about Ó Sé and Galvin, or the Dublin hurler getting off, the Tyrone and Dublin teams getting off for throwing punches. I could go on, but it appear you only remember somethings.... When did Galvin get off? (I'm not being sarcastic, I jsut can't remember when he got away with whatever it is). He certainly didn't get away with being kicked in the Munster final this year, or lobbing the water bottle last year.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 23, 2007 12:21:09 GMT
His suspension was shortened if my memory serves me right, the start of last year. Something that happened in a club game. Don't mention about the club and county being different now, I'm aware of that.
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Post by islandexile on Aug 23, 2007 13:53:18 GMT
Coyle plays down O’Leary incident Meath football boss Colm Coyle has labelled the incident which saw Graham Geraghty fall to the ground after apparently being struck by Cork defender Noel O’Leary as ’handbags stuff.’ "It was just handbags stuff," Coyle said after the game. "The linesmen had a better view than I did and the referee booked him for it. "It was an early settling down period in the game, so these things happen." Geraghty himself refused to be drawn on the incident and instead indicated that it was part and parcel of the game. ...Easy to see why he's calling it "handbags" when you see what he used to be up to himself! ie.youtube.com/watch?v=uNUhsUOVIpU
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 23, 2007 14:28:06 GMT
Nice and clever by Colm.....that's at least one red card guaranteed to be recinded by the Frank Murphy disciplinary hearing committee next year.....the FMDHC.....
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 23, 2007 14:31:31 GMT
Stacks, they got away with enough this year without any help....
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 23, 2007 16:01:04 GMT
video evidence after games has failed in my opinion alined with too many appeal avenues,i,m not a big fan of video evidence after a game is finished,i feel its best to sort issues during a game and leave it at that.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 23, 2007 16:09:01 GMT
the ref was never going to go back on his origional call of the situation
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Post by undercovereustace on Aug 23, 2007 21:15:56 GMT
video evidence after games has failed in my opinion alined with too many appeal avenues,i,m not a big fan of video evidence after a game is finished,i feel its best to sort issues during a game and leave it at that. Very good point. I would also do away with the cards altogether and return to the old way of refereeing when the ref did use his common sense, and a foul simply resulted in a free and dangerous play resulted in being sent off. The more complicated they make it, the less anyone can understand it, and the more chance there is on an injustice being done (I'm thinking of Sean Og here).
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2007 21:16:08 GMT
Kerry north....... I know what you mean ........but....... Brian Crowe was asked to look at the video and decide if striking merited more than a yellow. He said no.
He had all the time in the world to play back the video ......... he could have asked the wife what she thought or the postman..........
He could have cut the grass and gone back in and had another look. No pressure. No split second decision.
He said no......... thats grand......... a punch in the face is a yellow.
Thats the point
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 24, 2007 7:52:33 GMT
I dont agree with you Kerry North in this one. The purpose of the video review is to allow the ref "new evidence" so that justice can be done and be seen to be done. It didnt happen here.
This has nothing to do with OLeary or Cork (or Owenabue) but is has everything to do with Brian Crowe. He thinks that striking merits a yellow. Where in the rule book is that.
In relation to your general point......... thats the way things are in the GAA.......always was and ever shall be etc.......... what about the players who have missed finals because of striking such as Brian o Meara in 2001....... or Jimmy Keaveney in 1979...... got 3 months for throwing a dig in the Leinster Final. We cant have such an arbitrary system where some get off and others get screwed.
If Kerry win on sunday and a kerry player is in O Learys position....... and Bannon is sent the video......... would it be fair to suspend him for the final . Would it be fair even to put Bannon in that position.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 24, 2007 8:28:22 GMT
I agree with Mickmack, but the thing is..........refs cant suddenly start doing this now, it had to start at the beginning of the year. I had understood, after all the enquiries & tribunals following the Battle of Omagh, that a new standard would be set, it hasnt. So what is to stop wholesale assaults & battles breaking out? Only, as some of you have pointed out, the players attitude that "the odd punch is part of the game, but just dont do it in front of the ref" Now I can sort of understand this point, because gah has always been a very physical game, with alot of contact that is very difficult to judge the legitimacy of. Refs have to make an awful lot of "judgement calls" that are not clearly defined by rules. "Striking" is clearly defined as a sending off offence in the rules, and yet, unless it happens right under the ref's nose, it seems that a player doesnt get sent off. Is it something to do with some kind of interpretation of "dangerous striking"? Big melees seem to be a regular enough occurrence in gah, and we seem to have accepted that this will happen, despite all the calls of indignation & censure that follow such incidents. Are we all hypocritical & contrary?
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 24, 2007 22:48:48 GMT
"If we really want it to change, the GAA would need to send out a warning at the start of the national league, saying "EVERY OFFENSE WILL BE APPLIED AS PER OUR RULES - STRICTLY AND WITHOUT MERCY " - and they would need to not back down, at all, no matter what happens. One national league campaign of ruthless enforcement might actually lead us to a place when our rule book can actually be enforced as it is written."
Just Apply the rules. Striking means OFF. Refs can miss things live. No benefit of replays, but when they see it on video how can they shirk their responsibility.
Crowe is making a fool of himself by saying he dealt sufficiently with the incident in the first place. The strike was as obvious as the nose on his face
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 24, 2007 23:56:52 GMT
Lads and lassies.
The GAA overturned a decision once on the sin bin - after ony two weeks of it being used at O'Byrne, McGrath and Dr. McKenna cups and the FBD league - over a quick meeting in a hotel on the All Stars tour.
The structure had been agreed as a trial at Congress but was overturned by a few ex presidents, the current president and the media at the All Stars.
There isn't a hope that they'll stick to something if it's unpopular, no matter how much Fr. Gardiner tries.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 25, 2007 3:37:35 GMT
I said it before and I going to again. I don't mind if the CCCC feel something was missed and they ask the ref to look at it and give him the chance to change his report if deemed so. But if its the media calling for NO... they need to stay out of the running of the GAA. I saw the video and I felt O Leary got away with it and the double standard came into place. If the shoe was on the other foot Meath would be down a man for the final.. The ref in this case said he was comfortable with his decision then its case closed really and Meath did them a favor making the statement that is was nothing..
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Post by peig on Aug 25, 2007 19:54:01 GMT
[/quote] So, for example, at the throw in at 3.30 tomorrow, Whelan strikes out at Darragh, and Darragh attempts to swing back, you think that both should get straight Red? [/quote]
If Whelo struck out at Darragh, Darragh should just walk away, thus playing the CCCC at their own game.
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Post by Aine on Aug 26, 2007 0:43:19 GMT
Some good points kerrynorth.
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Post by binladen on Aug 26, 2007 0:46:14 GMT
if dara does get an early clatter i hope he sorts whelan out ie nicholas murphy last year. we cant be intimidated. i had to laugh tonight at dunne being knocked out i thought 1 dub down another to go. itsshows where cockiness gets u
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Post by Aine on Aug 26, 2007 0:56:08 GMT
Wasn't he supposed to bring the "belt" to corker tomorrow if he won! In fairness i didn't like to see him beaten but as you say binladen i dub down...
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Post by binladen on Aug 26, 2007 0:57:43 GMT
Wasn't he supposed to bring the "belt" to corker tomorrow if he won! In fairness i didn't like to see him beaten but as you say binladen i dub down... i didnt either but it was funny in a way
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Post by FatTom on Aug 27, 2007 21:34:19 GMT
I think the main problem with refereeing in GAA is the level of support they get.
People who know me on here know I think the level of refereeing in the Country is pathetic. The rule book's ambiguity has a lot to answer for but the general level of support ref's get from their governing body is, while understandable, also holding back from improving the levels of responsibility and accountability of referees.
Recently a Premiership Referee awarded Chelsea a penalty against Liverpool. It was the wrong decision. He was relegated to the lower leagues and made a phone call to Rafa Benitez to apologise. When will we ever see this type of action in the GAA.
Brian Crowe had the chance to review what happened with Noel O'Leary and chose to ignore it rather than admit his mistake. Again I too feel that Linesmen and Umpires need to become more involved in terms of disciplining players.
Players respect for referees will never increase unless the refs start to become more professional in their approach.
People will ask if I feel the same way if it was a Kerry player - yes, I would. Indiscipline of a serious nature can not be tolerated. Prime example was Declan O'Sullivan's yellow card yesterday. Declan was provoked, he reacted - understandibly to the provocation. He justifiably received yellow.
The umpire could clearly see Cullen's reaction to Declan's miss and yet he escaped sanction. We need to do something about the goading being brought into the game - the Dubs are the prime culprits and something needs to be done about this behaviour.
On another note - I said to the lad I watched the game with all last week that we will be playing against 16 men cause Bannon is reffing. Isn't it a sad state of affairs that one can predict how poor a ref is going to be toward your team before a game starts. Pathetic - whatever chip the Longford man has on his shoulder about Kerry god only knows but he should simply not be left ref Kerry games. Some fine young Kerry lass must have turned him down in Coppers in his youth or something!
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