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Post by Chinatown on Aug 12, 2012 15:20:44 GMT
Is Monaghan no longer in Ulster? Ulster, yes. But I assume this "Nordie" term, is used to describe a team from The North? Jasus tis so confusing, maybe should base it on above point of latitude
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Post by timelyinterception on Aug 12, 2012 16:21:55 GMT
Sad to see Jack leave, but maybe it was the right time for him to go. I just hope now that the powers that be take time to put the right man and backroom team in place. What we need now is a young manager who is up to date with the modern game and the modern type of training that all the other big Counties are doing, these being Cork, Dublin, Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone Kildare etc..... Whether we like it or not, Gaelic football has evolved (for the worse) in my opinion and unfortunately traditional football teams like Kerry (lesser extent Galway) are finding the changes difficult. I hate to admit it, but, Kerry will need a completely new approach to challenge for the All-Ireland again i feel. I think it's time to forget the traditional way of playing football and move to the new modern approach. I don't agree with it, but i desparately want Kerry to suceed. So, Mickey Ned, Micko, Kennedy and Kearns are all out of the question, these guys are out of touch with the game and will take us backwards. Harry O' Neill, possibly, Evans not sure if he could cope with the pressure and don't know if the players would have respect for him. Fitzmaurice would be a good choice but about 2 years too early in my view, reason being as 1 poster said he would be too close to some players. A lot of candidates, but no body with a proven rercord. Dare i say outside of the County could be the answer? ?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2012 16:45:06 GMT
Jack thanks for the days. You were excellent throughout the years and we were very lucky to have your time commitment ability and effort. Without you and your backroom team I would hate to think what kind of a past decade we would have had. I must mention the Armagh Game in 06 the Startled Earwigs, the final in 09 and the Tyrone Game this year. In all those games and during those years we were totally written off. 31 and 1/2 Counties against us and all that. Great days. You truly owe Kerry nothing. The manner of your exit shows where your real interests lie.... great players and a great County ...... Jack and his team deserve our appreciation and respect. Well said.
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Post by fenit67 on Aug 12, 2012 18:02:48 GMT
The departure of Jack O'Connor may be viewed as the end of an era but as I don't believe that teams end I will just say that another manager will be handed the keys to the Kingdom. Fifteen men in green and gold will take the field next year and they will be trusted with the difficult task of realising the dreams and wishes of the most difficult footballing county in the country. We will have to accept that they will be the best we have and not delude ourselves into thinking that the excuse of "transition" will ease the pain of further defeats. The talent is there and it will take a young manager to understand what he has available to him. Our next manager must be in tune with modern football and the mindset of the modern player. I see Eamon Fitzmaurice as that person and he must be given a 5 year term to allow him to develop his style and define a clear plan for Kerry football. No longer can be afraid of allowing youth its fling as other counties are doing with some success, Donegal and Mayo come to mind. We know what the other candidates can do; is it not time to invest in the future rather than revisiting the past?
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 12, 2012 18:14:37 GMT
Donegal haven't even reached a final yet while Mayo haven't won anything, I don't see why we always get hung up on what others are doing when we lose. We weren't too far away and we won't be too far away in the future.
Thanks to Jack and all the backroom staff. When he first came in we hadn't won an All Ireland in four years and he delivered first time out. He laid the foundation for six finals in a row and bagged three himself as a manager playing some excellent football. Any man who has been involved in sixteen all ireland finals across all grades is a serious manager and the best around since Boylan and O Dwyer. Thanks for some wonderful memories Jack
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Post by itsmyfield on Aug 12, 2012 20:22:40 GMT
My personal choice would be Stack's Manager Wayne Quillinan. The work he has done with Austin Stack has been sensational. He's a young manager and has modern coaching techniques! very hands on with the players, which is essential for the players to have
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Post by leftoutside on Aug 12, 2012 20:29:37 GMT
I Would like to thank Jack O'Connor for the many years od service he has given to the Kerry team. What he has done for Kerry over the last 10 years or so should not be forgotten.
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Post by portexile on Aug 12, 2012 23:09:37 GMT
I am an exile but I am having my first post hopefully more to follow. Thanks Jack. The second most successful Kerry manager in the past 50 years. Hope to see you back later for a third term. I can understand your reasons why as I saw and heard at matches this year. Team win its the players,lose its the manager. Never mind I saw Croke Park more often than I had expected thanks to you and your team.
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Post by bilythewalsh on Aug 13, 2012 2:02:04 GMT
Sad to see Jack go, and feel a little trepidation. But maybe it was the right time. He said himself that he felt it in his gut, and you can't argue with that when you trust the man's judgment.
We have had such fantastic days out under his stewardship, especially the Armagh game in 2006. In his book he began the chapter recounting that day with the words 'The sweetest day' and I couldn't agree more considering the context and what was at stake.
There were countless other days and treasured memories - the 2010 Munster semi-final in Cork stands out - and it's days like that that just seem to inject a bit of colour into the drudgery of everyday life.
As Michael Foley wrote in this week's Sunday Times: "He brought a great team to its peak, then adapted to keep an ailing one breathing long after everyone else had pulled the veil over them."
No mean feat. Personally I've done feckall save for show up to a few games and shout from the sidelines. What Jack did for this county, under intense scrutiny, was truly remarkable. Thanks a lot Jack and best wishes for the future.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 13, 2012 9:35:50 GMT
Jack has been a massive manager for Kerry and all we can do is now is to sincerely thank him for his commitment to the Kerry jersey. Jack obviously knew the time was right to go and he brought this group as far he could, you have to admire and respect that.
Jack's preparation of the Kerry team and his philosophy and approach to this has fascinated me over the past while. It certainly played a large part in keeping this group looking at the top table longer. What he was doing inside is certainly a lot more sustainable than what is going on around the country at the moment. Maybe we don't realise it right now but in time Jack will be seen as an innovative and on the ball Kerry manager. I think we will see him back again when he recharges the batteries and a new generation of Kerry players are on board.
Right now the players need new voices, a new goal, a new direction and a new excitement. I remain hugely positive about 2013. Kerry could do well to appoint Jack as head of development of football in Kerry in a full time capacity.
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Post by jackmurphy on Aug 13, 2012 9:59:56 GMT
Jack has been a massive manager for Kerry and all we can do is now is to sincerely thank him for his commitment to the Kerry jersey. Jack obviously knew the time was right to go and he brought this group as far he could, you have to admire and respect that. Jack's preparation of the Kerry team and his philosophy and approach to this has fascinated me over the past while. It certainly played a large part in keeping this group looking at the top table longer. What he was doing inside is certainly a lot more sustainable than what is going on around the country at the moment. Maybe we don't realise it right now but in time Jack will be seen as an innovative and on the ball Kerry manager. I think we will see him back again when he recharges the batteries and a new generation of Kerry players are on board. Right now the players need new voices, a new goal, a new direction and a new excitement. I remain hugely positive about 2013. Kerry could do well to appoint Jack as head of development of football in Kerry in a full time capacity. I think you have summed it up, perfectly, Kerrygold. Tony Leen (who is close to Jack and also talks to the players) makes some interesting points in the Examiner today - ''Man management issues with particular players ended up consuming a lot more of O’Connor’s time than he wished. Losing Donie Buckley didn’t help, not least when so many of the squad rated the Castleisland coach so highly — and were quick to tell O’Connor so. '' This tends to confirm the rumours of disquiet from the players on Donie Buckley's departure following an unsuccessful appeal to Jack by a group of players. The Tyrone Game was always going to paper over the cracks but Jack probably sensed that the dressing-room was not behind him as much as before. He made the correct call to step down now. The players would like to see D Buckley return and a good conditioning guru like Pat Flanagan possible led by an experienced hand like Mickey Ned with FitzMaurice being groomed for the job in a few years. The Donegal syyle is here to stay, unfortunately and in spite of Jack's success, he never quite came up with the tactics to deal with this system - as introduced by Harte and refined by McGuinness. The purists in Kerry may not like it but the new management team will adopt a 'if you can't beat 'em - join 'em' - Kerry may have temporarily slipped from the 'big 3' ranking but they will soon be back.
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Post by seamus on Aug 13, 2012 10:14:41 GMT
"in spite of Jack's success, he never quite came up with the tactics to deal with this system - as introduced by Harte and refined by McGuinness."
Imy view the reason Jack left was that he felt he had the tactics to break down the 'new' way of playing but he could not get the players to buy into it. Last Sunday must have been very frustrating for him to watch as we pumped aimless ball into crowded areas.
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Post by jackmurphy on Aug 13, 2012 11:02:30 GMT
"in spite of Jack's success, he never quite came up with the tactics to deal with this system - as introduced by Harte and refined by McGuinness." Imy view the reason Jack left was that he felt he had the tactics to break down the 'new' way of playing but he could not get the players to buy into it. Last Sunday must have been very frustrating for him to watch as we pumped aimless ball into crowded areas. You could well be right, Seamus. Donegal were going nowhere before McGuinness so it wasn't too difficult to persuade the players to go with a different plan. Kerry had huge success with their style so it is much more difficult to sell a new system to the players. It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 13, 2012 13:10:39 GMT
Assuming Alan O Sullivan will not be part of any new management team, its vital that he is given a role with the development squads - perhaps overseeing the physical trainers/strength and conditioning trainers and ensure that there is this type of expertise available to all squads.
And while we're at it, Alan Sullivan should be commended for the work he has put while part of Jack's team. Aside from the work with the senior squad on the training pitch there were also early morning sessions in the Brandon with Donaghy while he was injured (and I'm sure work with other injured players), the numerous coaching courses he provided for club mentors that spring to mind.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 13, 2012 14:25:23 GMT
My personal choice would be Stack's Manager Wayne Quillinan. The work he has done with Austin Stack has been sensational. He's a young manager and has modern coaching techniques! very hands on with the players, which is essential for the players to have Ah here, give us a break. Wayne's a great fella and has done some good things with Stacks, but he is nowhere near qualified for the most demanding job in the country. Doing some good things with a Club just aint enough I'm afraid.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 13, 2012 14:34:32 GMT
Big boots to fill by whoever gets the job next. Jack was his own man which was his strength when things went right and maybe his downfall when things went wrong. Pity his last game in charge will be remembered for the decision to take Declan off. I would hope Jack will continue at some official capacity - I think he would be a great man to have in charge of overseeing the development squads and help coach the coaches. Personally, I'll remember his final year for the thumping we gave Tyrone in Fitzgerald stadium during Championship 2012. Jack met Mickey Harte twice as Kerry manager and they have a victory each in the Championship against each other and 3 senior All Ireland's each as managers in total. Will Jack feel consoled with that thumping even though Kerry didnt go on to win the AI ? ... That is after all the point of the whole thing ! And good God surely you have better memories than that ... I would hope so anyway !! Anyway, good luck to him, he's left with a record few have or will emulate ... What will he do now ? ... Would he be the sort to go to another county or will he manage club or school ?
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Post by glengael on Aug 13, 2012 14:51:03 GMT
I could fill a thread with the great memories from Jack's tenure, Dermot. But it might get a bit boring for the rest of ye! I would imagine Jack may get involved with the school or possibly a local team again rather than a county team. I was chatting to a reasonably successful ex-Inter County manager a few months back. He said that he would never even think of managing at the top level again even though he's been approached a number of times. He reckons that the pressure/ hassle/ media hype/ unreal expectations etc are just gone too far and the toll on family, personal life and health is too great.
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Post by backmest on Aug 13, 2012 18:15:32 GMT
My personal choice would be Stack's Manager Wayne Quillinan. The work he has done with Austin Stack has been sensational. He's a young manager and has modern coaching techniques! very hands on with the players, which is essential for the players to have Might be a bit soon for him. Would like to see him manage the minor or Under 21's first. Although he has done a good job with Stacks and the IT team
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 13, 2012 20:45:14 GMT
Who was suggesting that? I wrote my best memory from this year’s Championship would be beating Tyrone in 2012. This would not be my favourite memory over all from Jack's time as manager, there was quite a few of those. No you didn't, but unless I'm reading wrong nicoshea & Soutward think that the Tyrone win is the highlight? If they mean the same as you then I apologise but it did raise my eyebrows when I read that. Apologise I meant this year...
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Post by veteran on Aug 13, 2012 21:19:29 GMT
Dermot asks would Jack be the type to go to another county. Dermot, I hope not. He would be a formidable adversary.
I have always felt there should be a very close connection between senior and u21 management whether this means that respective managements should be identical is uncertain.
Discussing the situation over the weekend, a name that was common to all conversations was Donie Buckley. This man seems to be revered, perhaps not as numero uno.
Speaking of Donie Buckley, I was recently told a story which may of course be of the apocryphal variety. Seemingly Enda McGinley conducts football tactical sessions at which Jack O'Connor and friend attended. Enda went through some complicated, impressive routine and at the end of which he commented " in any case I am not sure why ye have come up here because I learned this routine from Donie Buckley"
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 13, 2012 21:27:36 GMT
Personally, I'll remember his final year for the thumping we gave Tyrone in Fitzgerald stadium during Championship 2012. Jack met Mickey Harte twice as Kerry manager and they have a victory each in the Championship against each other and 3 senior All Ireland's each as managers in total. Will Jack feel consoled with that thumping even though Kerry didnt go on to win the AI ? ... That is after all the point of the whole thing ! And good God surely you have better memories than that ... I would hope so anyway !! Anyway, good luck to him, he's left with a record few have or will emulate ... What will he do now ? ... Would he be the sort to go to another county or will he manage club or school ? Dermot, Please don't quote me out of context. I mentioned the defeat of Tyrone this year as my personal highlight from this year. I was responding to buck02 who stated ’Pity his last game in charge will be remembered for the decision to take Declan off’ – which I think is unfair. Jack has left behind many good memories from his terms incharge.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 14, 2012 11:39:49 GMT
Will Jack feel consoled with that thumping even though Kerry didnt go on to win the AI ? ... That is after all the point of the whole thing ! And good God surely you have better memories than that ... I would hope so anyway !! Anyway, good luck to him, he's left with a record few have or will emulate ... What will he do now ? ... Would he be the sort to go to another county or will he manage club or school ? Dermot, Please don't quote me out of context. I mentioned the defeat of Tyrone this year as my personal highlight from this year. I was responding to buck02 who stated ’Pity his last game in charge will be remembered for the decision to take Declan off’ – which I think is unfair. Jack has left behind many good memories from his terms incharge. Sorry Kingdomson, didnt get the "this year" bit .. !! My mistake !
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Post by Dermot on Aug 14, 2012 11:46:02 GMT
I could fill a thread with the great memories from Jack's tenure, Dermot. But it might get a bit boring for the rest of ye! I would imagine Jack may get involved with the school or possibly a local team again rather than a county team. I was chatting to a reasonably successful ex-Inter County manager a few months back. He said that he would never even think of managing at the top level again even though he's been approached a number of times. He reckons that the pressure/ hassle/ media hype/ unreal expectations etc are just gone too far and the toll on family, personal life and health is too great. Yep, I'd say that they way things have gone the last few years, taking a top county team must be ball breaking stuff !! I often wonder how the less successfull teams, managers et al stick it ... You know what I mean ... Its one thing killing yourself all year if there's a medal at the end of it .. Harder to do when you get feck all and especially hard to do if you "know" you're going to get feck all !! Dermot asks would Jack be the type to go to another county. Dermot, I hope not. He would be a formidable adversary. I have always felt there should be a very close connection between senior and u21 management whether this means that respective managements should be identical is uncertain. Discussing the situation over the weekend, a name that was common to all conversations was Donie Buckley. This man seems to be revered, perhaps not as numero uno. Speaking of Donie Buckley, I was recently told a story which may of course be of the apocryphal variety. Seemingly Enda McGinley conducts football tactical sessions at which Jack O'Connor and friend attended. Enda went through some complicated, impressive routine and at the end of which he commented " in any case I am not sure why ye have come up here because I learned this routine from Donie Buckley" No Veteran, I sorta didnt think JOC would go to another county but I suppose you never know for sure ... He might miss the buzz, and you can be sure there would be less pressure on him somewhere else!! Why would Donnie Buckley not be considered for the job ? (or would he?)
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Post by buck02 on Aug 14, 2012 11:48:51 GMT
Will Jack feel consoled with that thumping even though Kerry didnt go on to win the AI ? ... That is after all the point of the whole thing ! And good God surely you have better memories than that ... I would hope so anyway !! Anyway, good luck to him, he's left with a record few have or will emulate ... What will he do now ? ... Would he be the sort to go to another county or will he manage club or school ? Dermot, Please don't quote me out of context. I mentioned the defeat of Tyrone this year as my personal highlight from this year. I was responding to buck02 who stated ’Pity his last game in charge will be remembered for the decision to take Declan off’ – which I think is unfair. Jack has left behind many good memories from his terms incharge. But kingdomson, when we talk of the Donegal game (jacks last game in charge) for years to come we will talk about the decision to take Declan off. Not sure how that is unfair. What you would have to say is that, 2005 aside, there was at least one brilliant display a year which we will always remember while Jack was in charge. 2004 - the Mayo final 2006 - the Armagh quarter final 2009 - Dublin quarter final, Cork Final 2010 - Replay in Cork 2011 - Munster final v Cork 2012 - Tyrone game in qualifiers
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Post by glengael on Aug 16, 2012 10:08:20 GMT
Declan Bogue: Kerry will sorely miss their Jack of all trades
Belfast Telegraph Thursday, 16 August 2012
When Jack O'Connor signed off from his work in Kerry last weekend, it began a process of natural selection.
O'Connor was a son of south Kerry, a man who did what he had to do to get by, and did it well. As a young man, he left behind his cosy world of teaching and moved him and his wife to America, when there was big bucks to made.
He learned a new trade; scaffolding. Before long, he had squads of men out every day, leaving vans emblazoned with 'Atlantic Scaffolding' and scaling the high-rises of New York.
He left his own club, Dromid Pearses as a player, because he didn't feel their ambition matched his. He returned in later years and faced down those that had their pieces to say to him.
He took on roles managing Kerry after his incredible successes with Coláiste na Sceilge in Cahirciveen, having returned to life in the blackboard jungle. His Kerry Under-21s lost a Munster Championship game to Waterford and the criticism poured into his ears must have felt like battery acid. He never felt the love from the Kerry old guard either, and called them out for it.
Yet he proved a better coach than any of them. A man able to reinvent players in different positions, who lost players and still kept Kerry right at the top.
In time, men like Jack O'Connor will vanish from the sidelines, replaced by graduates of the sports sciences who were born to coach. That's progress. But Kerry lost a good one in Jack, not that they would ever admit.
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Post by hesflyin on Aug 17, 2012 20:39:04 GMT
jack will be back
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Post by seamo on Aug 17, 2012 21:26:41 GMT
Jack will get plenty of offers to manage other counties next season; hope he stays in Kerry, a great asset to the club, schools and underage scene in Kerry.
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Post by kot on Aug 23, 2012 13:41:20 GMT
He was on Kerry radio the other week and categorically ruled out ever managing another county team. Kerry or nothing for him he said.
I'm sure MIcko might have said something similar once upon a time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 18:52:24 GMT
Not sure Jack loves football the way Micko does. If Jack could not win an all Ireland, I am not sure he would bother.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 25, 2012 13:33:16 GMT
I wonder was Jack too patient with players who had been there done that and won medals.
Would have been better to tell everyone that every jersey was up for grabs in 2012 and everyone should leave their ego outside the door along with their medals.
Hindsight is a great thing ot course.
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